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davevabch
February 16, 2013, 08:12 PM
Be careful thought this sport is addicting. You can now train with a lot of fun and very cheap compared to powder ammo.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosman_MAR177_AR_15_Upper_PCP_Conversion_Kit/2703

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r1derbike
February 17, 2013, 02:37 AM
It it was in .25 caliber, I might be interested. I already have 3 pre-charged pneumatics made by Benjamin in .22 cal. Standalone platforms. One pistol converted to a carbine and two long guns. One with a 6X24 50mm adjustable aperture scope, good to take small game at 100 yards or better, depending on wind. It is called a Benjamin Marauder. Use a a 4500 psi carbon fiber firefighters bottle to charge all. Have my own compressors to fill the bottle. Expensive, but silent, as 2 barrels are legally shrouded and baffled from the factory, except on the Benjamin Discovery .22 long gun, which is as loud or louder than an LR .22 when fired.

For 600 bucks, you could get a standalone PCP in .25 caliber, which would be quiet, and effective for small game. Again, a Benjamin Marauder.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Marauder_Air_Rifle/1774

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Marauder_PCP_Air_Pistol/2367

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Discovery_Rifle_Pump/1534

Matno
February 17, 2013, 03:28 AM
Nice to be able to train with your regular trigger...

JShirley
February 17, 2013, 08:34 AM
Matno, since the action is described as revolver, that doesn't seem to be the case. If it uses the existing trigger, but feels completely different, there is no training advantage.

tuj
February 17, 2013, 09:10 AM
It uses the existing trigger and hammer setup in the lower according to the reviews.

WNTFW
February 24, 2013, 10:39 AM
The Magazine is why it is described as a revolver.
http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc376/mistman01/20121123_210842.jpg

It makes total sense in every way if you shoot high power service rifle. Reviews from the guy that have them for that purpose are quite favorable.

I can come up with workarounds for the $600, but they are still workarounds.

.22lr uppers leave something to be desired for high power practice, unless you spend enough.

There was an impromptu poll of HP shooters on dry fire vs air rifle vs electronic trainer. Most said Electronic trainer over air rifle. Of course each has some advantage and disadvantage. Some of the guys have more funds than others.

Bottom line ends up being effective work put in gets results.

Cesiumsponge
February 24, 2013, 11:38 AM
Air rifles have a different recoil impulse than a normal firearm. I wouldn't spend $600 on a .177 air rifle AR upper. This coming from someone who paid a lot more than $600 for an Anschutz competition air rifle.

Also, don't dismiss air rifles as "BB guns". There's a good reason it's an Olympic-level sport. Air rifles are fantastic for showing how lousy your marksmanship is. A 10m x-ring is about .200" in diameter. You're using .177" pellets. Your margin of error is .0012" to clean it. That's the thickness of three sheets of paper. Even at 11 yards...good luck!

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3079/3226510757_67e3125a1d_b.jpg
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3532/3227372598_998cc8aeed_b.jpg

TAKtical
February 24, 2013, 05:46 PM
I have no idea why AR lovers would be happy about this. This country is going so gun control crazy that they are now pushing pellet guns at Shot Show? Atlantic firearms has been sold out of everything for so long that they now have BB guns listed on their website. If things dont get back to normal sometime soon, most of us are going to have to get a new hobby.

Cesiumsponge
February 24, 2013, 08:07 PM
It's not a "BB gun". Don't be ridiculous and derogatory. Air rifles will humble everyone who has ever tried 10m shooting.

TAKtical
February 24, 2013, 08:46 PM
My apologies sir. I edited my post so that no one else will try to argue semantics.

WNTFW
February 24, 2013, 10:58 PM
This upper was around well before Obama got re-elected or Sandyhook. It is not a knee jerk reaction but was developed as a trainer.
If you can take advantage of what air rifles have to offer they are great training tools. Personally I don't need the ergonomics of the AR upper. It would be neat, but I get by without them.
I have shot about 1k through my air rifle a month for a while. The ability to shoot at my house daily was the biggest advantage. #2 is feed back vs dryfiring. As a result I feel my dryfiring has gotten better as a result of calling shot while air rifle shooting. My calls live fire are better. #3 is you have to be steadier longer with an air rifle. #4 is you can easily setup indoors and have fairly repeatable range conditions.
The list could continue.

Cesiumsponge
February 25, 2013, 02:04 AM
Has nothing to do with semantics. It has to do with dismissing an entire shooting discipline. No one is pushing this at SHOT 2013 as a result of the gun control issue after Sandy Hook. You don't brainstorm, develop, and manufacture a product in three weeks. This isn't as odd as the TAC-15 crossbow upper, but I don't necessarily see it as appealing as simply getting a .22LR conversion unless one wants to shoot indoors. The small pellet and low velocity means the manufacturer likely intended it to be a short distance trainer rather than something that can be used in the practical sense of game or longer distance target shooting. It has no real useful kinetic energy for game. I still find I put more trigger time on .22LR than air rifles. Taking .22LR out to 300 yards is challenging but I honestly haven't taken an air rifle to a range yet to try at extended ranges past 25-50 yards, and if it's even possible to get reasonable groups with subsonic .177.

tuj
February 25, 2013, 09:41 AM
A lot of people can't just walk out their door and shoot 22lr in their backyard; we don't all live on acreages. But most of us have 5 or 10M of space in a basement or garage. I have done lots of 5m shooting off-hand with an IZH-46M and it's humbling and has nothing at all to do with 'bb guns'.

As for the .22lr conversions, some of them do not work with the best AR triggers; for example, the CMMG conversion does not work with Geissele hi-speed national match triggers. I would hope that this .177 PCP conversion will work with those.

IdahoSkies
February 26, 2013, 10:40 AM
I saw that earlier. I was intrigued and then interested and then totally turned off by the price point. $350, I could probably stomach that. But $600, well I guess I'm not the market audience then. And I would have loved to do some practice in my suburban (but decently sized) back yard.

Gaiudo
February 27, 2013, 12:00 PM
Interesting. With some additional expendable income I'd be interested. Doesn't take much .223 practice ammo to cover $600 these days!

Plus it would be a great way to work with my kids on basics of marksmanship, while learning from a legitimate platform.

davevabch
February 27, 2013, 03:08 PM
What a shame more folks just do not really know what airguns are all about. From the Olympics to hunting deer to just fun plinkings, airguns are a very adult sport. The AR platform mentioned above is hardly a bb gun. It would be a very nice hunter for small game, a great way to train. Pellets are a heck of a lot cheaper than a powder round and easier to get. I would imagine that any one that shot frequently would have the platform pay for itself.
Of course you do not have to spend that much on a air gun. The world of Airguns is way beyond what most folks know about. In fact the average age is about 50yrs old. It is a HUGE sport.

davevabch
February 27, 2013, 03:19 PM
Here is a link with many videos and articles about air guns. Some really nice guns out there to start kids off with. A very good quality air rifle that has a great price point is the RWS Diana mdl 34. Well made and will be handed down to the next generatiion of your family.

http://www.pyramydair.com/

http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/

davevabch
February 27, 2013, 07:18 PM
Thought maybe some of you might like this. Very popular in UK and moving to many clubs in us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xki_8v66MoU

Geno
March 10, 2013, 03:25 PM
Adult air rifles are awesome! The skills needed are every bit as demanding as any center fire. I'm green with envy over those targets! Sheesh!

Thanks for creating this thread. It's an interesting read.

Geno

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