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cmaMath13
February 17, 2013, 10:19 PM
Hello gentlemen. This is my 1st post here at HR. I have some guns and they are fine, but I have really falling in love with handguns and the 9mm in particular. I would like to get some feedback about these 3 9mms. My guess is that any of the 3 will do fine, but I thought it might be a good idea to check with actual users first.

My main objective is to go shooting at shooting range. It's such a stress reliever! I would like it to be a capable home protection without being overkill. I do have a carry permit, so it would be nice to carry too.

Here they are in alphabetical order:

Beretta 92A1
CZ-USA CZ75 SP-01
Sarsilmaz SAR ST10 (aka EAA)


Please share your thoughts if you have experience with any of these weapons.

Thank you! :)

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meanmrmustard
February 17, 2013, 10:36 PM
I've range experience with the 92A1, but I own several CZs, and always at least one 75 in one guise or another.

IMO, it is the best on your list. The SP-01 is a damned fine gun.:)

cmaMath13
February 17, 2013, 11:34 PM
Thank you for your input. Just to make sure I understand you correctly, you would rank the CZ75 SP-01 #1 on the list?

I appreciate your input since you have fired all 3!

chris in va
February 17, 2013, 11:43 PM
The 92fs has an aluminum frame, the SP-01 being all steel. You'll probably find the SP to be an excellent range/competition pistol, but quite heavy for carry.

May I humbly suggest the P01 instead if you plan to carry. I wore mine to the theater tonight.

cmaMath13
February 17, 2013, 11:55 PM
Thanks Chris. I just download the CZ-USA catalog and found the P-01. That's a very nice looking gun. I will look into it. Thank you!

Pilot
February 17, 2013, 11:55 PM
I have a CZ 75B, and 75D PCR, and am looking for an SP-01. They are hard to find right now, so recently, I bought a 92FS, and really like it. You can't go wrong with either, but the SP-01 will probably be a little more inherently accurate, but both the Beretta and CZ are capable of excellent accuracy. The Beretta is a little lighter if you're going to carry it, but they are both large for CCW.

Get the one you can find first.

cmaMath13
February 18, 2013, 12:02 AM
Thanks Pilot. That seems to be the biggest concern for me, finding one in stock! Thankfully, I am close to a number of gun shops, so hopefully one of them will have something I like.

cmaMath13
February 18, 2013, 12:05 AM
Here's CZ-USA catalog. I didn't realize how many options they have!
http://www.cz-usa.com/download/156/

BCRider
February 18, 2013, 04:07 AM
I've got both a CZ SP-01 in the form of the Shadow model as well as the Beretta 92fs. Both are superb guns. But neither is something I'd want to carry on my waist as a CCW all day. The CZ is rather heavy what with being all steel and the Beretta isn't a whole lot lighter and it's more bulky to boot.

I base this on the fact that I DO carry these guns for a day at a time because I use them for IDPA matches.

As range toys either is fantastic. But to carry all day? I don't like polymer guns normally because up this way handguns are only used as range toys. But if I were in your shoes and wanting a "one gun does it all" solution then the polymer guns would be looking a LOT more attractive. My first choice in that case would likely be either the Springfield XD or the S&W M&P. I've shot both and found them to be nice for grip and accuracy and both seem to be a little thinner and more streamlined than the Glock option.

If I were able to carry I think I'd likely want to look at something more compact than either the XD or M&P but still in 9mm. And something that was light. Perhaps something like the Bertta Nano or something of a similar size.

For range giggles it's a whole other story. It would be nice to ensure that you practice with your carry gun regularly. But typically a compact carry gun isn't that much fun to shoot. Too much recoil due to the light weight doncha' know. I'd want to stay capable but I'd likely look at guns such as you are interested in for the sort of thing that I'd put higher round counts thru for fun.

Pilot
February 18, 2013, 06:41 AM
Both CZ, and Beretta also make some nice, more compact and lighter guns for carry. If you want a CZ that can do it all, range, home defense and concealed carry, consider the compact, lightweight (alloy framed) 75D PCR, or P-01. In addition, the smaller alloy framed CZ 2075 "RAMI", and polymer framed P-07 are also excellent.

In the Beretta line, the new 92FS/M9A1 Compact or polymer PX4 Storm Compact are both good choices.

I haven't seen any but the new Turkish made CZ clones from Canik, are getting good reviews.

Shadow 7D
February 18, 2013, 07:39 AM
Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots

at that pricepoint, you pretty much have the entire field open,
Go to the range and TRY the guns
shoot them, find the one you are accurate with and comfortable with.

cmaMath13
February 18, 2013, 07:59 AM
BCRider,
Thank you for taking the time to post your opinion. You made some very good points. I do plan to carry some, but not every day. I am a teacher, so I won't be packing much during the work week. I am primarily going to be going to the shooting range. I did have S&W M&P on my mind too. I will be going to some shops today and hold some of these guns before I make a decision. Thanks again.

cmaMath13
February 18, 2013, 08:01 AM
Thanks for the post Shadow. That's exactly what I need to do. :)

tuj
February 18, 2013, 08:23 AM
Beretta 92A1 - horrible DA trigger, SA is just ok.
CZ-USA CZ75 SP-01 - this would be my choice, good SA trigger.
Sarsilmaz SAR ST10 (aka EAA) - EAA's customer service sucks.

cmaMath13
February 18, 2013, 08:38 AM
Thanks for the input tuj! Seems like the crowd favors CZ!

tuj
February 18, 2013, 08:47 AM
The P07 is lighter if you want a CZ. The P07 does use different mags than the other CZ75's and has a slightly different trigger system. The package from Cajun gunworks helps the trigger in both SA and DA modes significantly. The P07 is a weird gun; it feels cheap in some ways but yet is accurate and easy to shoot and has been totally reliable for me.

Another gun to consider if you want an all-steel 9mm is the S&W 5906. I absolutely love the 5906, very smooth trigger.

cmaMath13
February 18, 2013, 08:57 AM
That's funny that you mention the Model 59o6, I have one of the old Model 59s. I was my dad's. I really love the gun and it's double stack. Hard to go wrong with Smith.

mgmorden
February 18, 2013, 11:56 AM
Though I'm sure some people do, the Beretta 92 is way to big for concealed carry IMHO (though all of them that you list are kinda big in that regard).

Personally, from you list I'd go for the CZ-75 SP-01. I used to have a regular CZ-75 that I really liked but it shot low for me which is why I got rid of it. Felt great though and was utterly reliable. I still have a Beretta 92 which does shoot to point of aim, but aside from that, ergonomics and trigger are in every way inferior to the CZ in my opinion.

xjsnake
February 18, 2013, 12:08 PM
The Beretta is a huge gun to hang onto in my opinion. The CZ fits me much better and has a fantastic reputation.

481
February 18, 2013, 12:10 PM
I'd also go with the CZ75- 'cept in stainless.

C0untZer0
February 18, 2013, 04:22 PM
As I get older I tend to want to specialize more, I want a smallish nine for concealed carry, a shotgun for HD, and a target pistol for range fun.

EAA imports some long slide / match guns from Tanfoglio that are pretty nice.

Xfire68
February 18, 2013, 04:42 PM
Another vote for the CZ. Mine is without doubt the most accurate handgun I have owned and or fired.

The fit and feel are IMO as good as it gets.

The_Armed_Therapist
February 18, 2013, 06:47 PM
I think that EAA is relatively new... You'll have trouble finding enough people who have shot it to paint yourself an accurate picture. As such, it's definitely in 3rd place.

The Beretta has been proven for decades, and you can't go wrong with one. However, the SP-01 sure is nice, too. I'd personally rank these as equals. Unless deeper research swayed my mind, I'd probably end up going with the one for which I could get the best deal.

Bentonville
February 18, 2013, 07:04 PM
I love my 92FS but not for concealed carry. Others do it but just not for me. The HK P2000 is a great 9mm and is very suitable for carry, range, and home defense with SD ammo such as Gold Dot or Goldern Saber and many others. I have considered the CZ but the Beretta fills that niche for me. I don't know about your other listing.
Consider renting and handling a P2000. I don't think you will be disappointed. Just my opinion. Oh yeah, the HK P30 is another really great choice. Many folks carry that on a daily basis and it has interchangeable side panels and back straps. It's a great range gun as well. Lots to consider.
My biggest problem is finding ammo to feed my 9mm pistols.
Good luck.

cmaMath13
February 18, 2013, 07:34 PM
Wow! I love the comments! Thank you guys very much for your input. Seems the jury is out: CZ is the winner.

Thanks for the feedback!

By the way, the only places the I have been able to consistently find 9mm ammo is at shooting ranges. You may want to try there.

needmorecowbell
February 19, 2013, 02:42 PM
I definitely prefer a CZ. Go with the P01 or PCR if you think you will carry. My P01 is my do all gun. Great for range and easy to carry.

MMH2009
February 19, 2013, 03:29 PM
I would look at the 9mm XDM. It's a really nice shooting pistol. Consider it!

thedriver101
February 19, 2013, 07:01 PM
I've only got experience with the Beretta 92. Damn nice shooting gun, sweet trigger and good looking too. But, if you're at all considering carry, I'd go for something smaller. Did you ever consider a Glock G19? (Yea, someone had to suggest it) I had compared those two exactly, and I picked the Glock.

Hurryin' Hoosier
February 19, 2013, 07:24 PM
Beretta!

cmaMath13
February 19, 2013, 08:38 PM
Once again. Thanks for the feedback everyone. Seems like the biggest sticking point is what's more important to me: Shooting it or carrying it. I think I leaning toward shooting it.

I guess I could get a larger model this year and a smaller carry next year. Or vice versa. :)

Dave P.
February 20, 2013, 11:19 AM
I got one of these a few years ago. It's just to play at the range.
, only issues were the trigger stop screws falling out
( new screws with lock-tite ) and the rear sight pin....same story with
lock-tite. I had them set my trigger to 3 lbs.
http://czcustom.com/cz75shadowls-bblk.aspx
I think it will stand up to many thousand rounds of use.
Depending on grips I have mounted, slides under the "radar"
at the range and can shoot some very good groups (for me )
When some people ask about it I just tell them it's just a old CZ.....
Dave

Jessie James 58
February 20, 2013, 02:05 PM
My vote would be one of the CZs, I have owned both the 92 and many CZs. The CZs just feel better in my hands and they are very reliable.
You might look at the CZ compacts for both range gun and CCW it would fit both slots very nicely.
I have a number of CZs that I still have and shoot, for me to pick only one would be very hard, but I would probably go to my 9MM RAMI. It feels good, is dead accurate, has never jammed and is small enough for easy CCW. I have put over 3,000 rounds through the RAMI (everything from factory 115s, my lead reloads to exotic JHPs) without a failure.
Plus at 30 feet I can shoot a 14 shot, 1 1/2 in group, not bad for a small gun.
You can also purchase, lots of stuff to customize your gun.

cja245
February 20, 2013, 02:08 PM
Of those 3 the CZ 75 would be my choice.

2zulu1
February 20, 2013, 02:54 PM
My choice is the Hi-Power, but of the three choices given by the OP, CZ is the way to go. :)

Roadkill
February 20, 2013, 03:11 PM
I'm more partial to CZs but what counts is how well you can shoot them

CZ SP01 tactical
http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=786916&size=1
http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=786917&size=1

CZ P01
http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=786921&size=1
http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=786922&size=1

Browning High Power
http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=786919&size=1
http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=786920&size=1

MR835
February 20, 2013, 03:37 PM
cmaMATH13: You mentioned A S&W 59. And thought about the 5906. The S&W 3rd Generation guns are all very accurate and quite easy to shoot. For a
9mm to carry My choice would be the 6906. There are others in the 6900 series. as well as the 3900 series. They are great shooters and carry guns that will not BREAK the BANK if you find a good one.

Good Luck.

SAFE SHOOTING ALWAYS.

MR835 IS GONE

C0untZer0
February 20, 2013, 03:54 PM
I think you have to consider controls.

When I was looking at the 3rd gen Smiths & the Beretta in the 80's I didn't like trying to flip a safety up to take the safety off. I had no problem sweeping a safety off with a downward motion of my thumb.

I know you can get a 92 with a frame mounted safety that sweeps down...

Some people don't like having a manual safety period and they gravitate to DOA or "Safe Action" striker fired pistols.

I think you should get some practice with DA/SA pistols befoe getting one. There are people who get quite good with them with practice. When I first shot them I found my first shot was usually off because of pulling the heavy DA trigger and my second shot was off because of the sudden change in trigger - I never pursued getting better at it, I just decided DA/SA triggers were not for me.

cmaMath13
February 20, 2013, 07:28 PM
I have been on other forums, but I must admit, this has been wonderful. You guys have given me tons of good feedback. Thank you very much. It seems CZ is strongly supported here!

ROADKILL: Thanks for posting pics! Very cool. The handle on the SP01 is awesome!

MR835: It's interesting that you bring up the 59. I went shooting on Monday and had some issues with mine. So, I took it in to a local gunsmith. I really like the gun and it has some huge sentimental value. Looking forward to getting it back. It's the double stack version, so I carry it on outside of belt. Fairly small, but wide on the grip. That's one of the things I like about it, if feels really good in my hand. Thanks for the tip. I didn't see any 6900 series on S&W website, so I assume it is discontinued.
Good reviews here: http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/1024-smith-wesson-model-6906#

Thompsoncustom
February 20, 2013, 07:44 PM
Any of the current CZ's are great guns I currently have a CZ 75b and Will be adding more CZ's soon.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture2069edit_zpsd5a95331.jpg

If you decide to get one I'm pretty sure you won't be disappointed

browneu
February 20, 2013, 07:47 PM
cz 75. It fits and points naturally for me.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

cmaMath13
February 20, 2013, 07:49 PM
Thompsoncustom: That's a good lookin' gun! Where did you find the grips? I like them!

Different look than stock: http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-b/

Xfire68
February 20, 2013, 07:56 PM
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg74/Ledge68/100_4340.jpg

45Fan
February 21, 2013, 11:15 AM
While not a Beretta, my wife has a Taurus PT92 that I have carried on occasion. Its not too big for me, but I am a bigger person (6'3", 260). I have shot the Beretta, and it is a fine pistol, but the CZ is equally nice, and I think for the money, you will find the CZ a better option from your list.
My personal preference, if you are willing to look outside your list, is a Browing Hi-power. steel frame, full size (but not huge), high capacity, yet fairly slim for all day carry comfort. Top that all off with great accuracy and a sweet single action trigger, the Hi-power is hard to beat.

Atbat82
February 21, 2013, 04:06 PM
I've got a CZ 75 SP-01 I bought a little over a month ago and I absolutely love it. As others have said, it's big and heavy, but for me it's a night stand gun so I don't mind. I bought the tactical version with the decocker instead of the safety plus it has night sights.

The DA trigger pull is not great, but gets better with lots of dry firing. The SA pull is fine.

I like the Beretta as well, but the CZ just felt better. I would not be at all surprised if I end up owning both.


Sent from my iPhone

Thompsoncustom
February 21, 2013, 04:06 PM
Thompsoncustom: That's a good lookin' gun! Where did you find the grips? I like them!

I believe I got them on ebay and they came from a different country maybe taiwan? Not really sure anymore but they make a good carry grip. I modified a pair on stock grips into thin grips and I think they fell the best so far. Tho need to change the front and back strap tape to match each pair of grips.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o77/danielthompson8588/Picture2100_zpsc91d00a9.jpg

cmaMath13
February 21, 2013, 06:00 PM
Thompsoncustom: Thanks for update. Very nice indeed! :D

edwardcii
February 21, 2013, 09:06 PM
I own a 92A1 and a SP-01.

Both are fine pistols with solid reputations. IMO, I prefer the 92A1 much more than the SP-01 for several reasons.

1) It seems much more refined, especially when I disassemble it. The SP-01 looks fine on the outside, but internally, it looks a little rough. Mine has machining marks inside (on my other CZ as well). It gets dirtier a little easier. Disassembly is just a little harder (on one of my CZs, i need to get a tool to do so). The 92A1 just looks to me to be a higher quality product (at least by appearance).

2) My SP-01 did not like hollow points. I have read similar problems in other forums. With a self defense gun, that is a big issue. On some mags, I would have jams every other round with hollow points. Seems to be more of an issue with the 18 round mags that came with it (my 16 rounds worked fine with hollow points, but because of the issues in my 18 round mag, I can never fully trust the SP-01 to be more than a range gun). You might have a different experience with it.

3) The slide is much easier to rack on the Beretta.

4) The SP-01 feels very heavy. Without weighing it, I would guess it is my heaviest pistol.

Bottom line - I would trust my 92A1 to be a defense gun. The SP-01 has been designated as a range gun only for me. I like the weight, appearance, and practically everything about the 92A1 more than the SP-01.

Don't overlook the 92A1. Like others commonly say, try to hold and shoot both before purchasing. The only thing I like less about the Beretta is the safety. But it didnt take me long to get used to it at all.

edwardcii
February 21, 2013, 09:09 PM
I love the 75B by the way. Beautiful gun. and it fits better in my hand than any other pistol i own.

if it's for home use, the downside is it doesnt have a rail. but hard pick between that and a 92A1. It was $200 cheaper for me, but i still think i prefer the 92A1 over it slightly.

cmaMath13
February 21, 2013, 09:24 PM
edwardcii: Thanks for your input. What you stated makes a lot of sense to me. Some of the reasons you stated when comparing 92A1 and SP-01, do those apply to 92A1 and 75 too?

cmaMath13
February 22, 2013, 09:50 PM
Good evening gentlemen. I made a 9mm purchase today. Before I tell you what I picked up, I do appreciate all of your feedback. My local gun shop had received a number of new guns today. So I was going nuts finally see shelves full of options. They had Smiths, Beretta, Sigs, CZ, H&K, etc. I looked at a number of pistols, and one in particular felt like "the one". I bought the H&K P30 9mm. I must admit that I have always wanted an H&K! It was more expensive than most others, but I couldn't resist. :D
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/p30_general.asp

http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2012/04/HK-P30_001.jpg

Bentonville
February 22, 2013, 09:57 PM
I know you will be happy with that choice. The extra money won't be missed after a little while. Glad you got what you wanted!.

Thompsoncustom
February 22, 2013, 10:04 PM
Congrats on your purchase. Now go shoot that thing!

FMF Doc
February 22, 2013, 10:05 PM
I have some range time with the 92A1 and LOTS of range time with the military M9A1. I love the pistol. When you can use modern JHP ammo in it, it is a phenomanal weapon system. The first pistol I bought when I got off of active duty, was a 92A1. That being said, while it can be carried concealed with a bit of effort, there are better choiced. I have also shot the CZ 75 sp-01, though not as much as the Berretta, but I find it to be a wonder pistol as well. The biggest difference I see, is that I do not know of a single malfuction from me, or anyone else that owns one with the 92A1. I can not say the same for the CZ. Both are good guns, and more or less comperable in size and weight, so either one should serve you well. Good Luck.

cmaMath13
February 22, 2013, 10:08 PM
Bentonville and ThompsonCustom: Thanks guys. I am super happy with the purchase. Can wait to shoot it.

contactcole
February 23, 2013, 01:13 AM
OP: None of those are ideal CCW due to size.

The CZ is a fine shooting gun. I've owned the SP10 and the 75 Compact. I enjoy my 92fs as well. The Sig P226 is a nice blaster.

For a 9mm range AND CCW:
CZ Compact
CZ PCR
Sig P228
Sig P229
Glock 19

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