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dbp
February 18, 2013, 03:02 PM
Nah!! They don't want to hassle us on gun control. They just want sensible laws passed to make everyone safer. Really!! Check this out.

here (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020373291_westneat17xml.html)

One of the major gun-control efforts in Olympia this session calls for the sheriff to inspect the homes of assault-weapon owners. The bill’s backers say that was a mistake...
This reporter is just upset that they may have overreached.

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Billy Shears
February 18, 2013, 03:08 PM
Your link doesn't work.

silicosys4
February 18, 2013, 03:11 PM
dead link

Thursday45
February 18, 2013, 03:11 PM
I can't get your link to work. Seattle is a very beautiful place but I would never want to live there. I tell people all the time that it's a great place to visit, couldn't stand living there. Moving out was the second greatest decision I ever made. If I were to ever move back I'd stay clear of King County altogether. Plenty of great places to live in WA, I don't count Seattle or King County among them.

steelerdude99
February 18, 2013, 03:13 PM
Too many http's in the link. Here is a link that does not have that issue

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020373291_westneat17xml.html

Derek Zeanah
February 18, 2013, 03:13 PM
Try the link again. I modified it.

Thursday45
February 18, 2013, 03:17 PM
This doesn't sound like it's specifically a Seattle issue. Since it's being brought up in Olympia it's going to be a State wide issue. Would love to see the logistics on this. Good luck WA.....

. “We will only win if we reach out and continue to change the hearts and minds of Washingtonians,” Murray said. “We can attack them, or start a dialogue.”

I would really like to know Murray's definition of "win" in this case and what it entails.....

dbp
February 18, 2013, 03:43 PM
sorry about the link - thanks for the fix Derek. Should of had my 6 yr old grandson to do it for me.:p

cluck
February 18, 2013, 03:46 PM
Sounds like it is built to fail. The sponsors even admit it won't pass constitutional muster. Thank them for wasting time and money.

Midnight Oil
February 18, 2013, 03:48 PM
just to give some background info, Danny Westneat, the author of this piece is a very outspoken anti over at Seattle Times. I guess even anti-gun libs have their limits as far as government overreach is concerned...?

Thursday45
February 18, 2013, 03:57 PM
I loved the quote that one of the sponsors of the bill hadn't read this part and should have "vetted" the bill more closely... Of course the other option would have been him reading it and being okay with the provision.

alsaqr
February 18, 2013, 04:03 PM
Good plan, very bad start. What’s worse, the case for the perfectly reasonable gun-control bills in Olympia just got tougher.

"Perfectly reasonable gun-control bills"=oxymoron.

316SS
February 18, 2013, 04:13 PM
“I’m a liberal Democrat — I’ve voted for only one Republican in my life,” Palmer told me. “But now I understand why my right-wing opponents worry about having to fight a government takeover.”

He added: “It’s exactly this sort of thing that drives people into the arms of the NRA.”

I have been blasting the NRA for its paranoia in the gun-control debate. But Palmer is right — you can’t fully blame them, when cops going door-to-door shows up in legislation.

If there is a silver lining in all this anti-gun furor, it is that some truly anti-American legislators are showing their true colors. This wasn't a misstep. This was part of the vision some folks have for the future of this country.

GAF
February 18, 2013, 04:14 PM
Now you know what the anti gun politicians are really thinking.

Shadow 7D
February 18, 2013, 04:19 PM
Read the closing, and you find the end game:
Murray had alluded at a gun-control rally in January that progress on guns could take years.

“We will only win if we reach out and continue to change the hearts and minds of Washingtonians,” Murray said. “We can attack them, or start a dialogue.”

Good plan, very bad start. What’s worse, the case for the perfectly reasonable gun-control bills in Olympia just got tougher.

Danny Westneat’s column appears Wednesday and Sunday. Reach him at 206-464-2086 or dwestneat@seattletimes.com

Woops, they put next years bill in INSTEAD of this years...

dbp
February 18, 2013, 04:21 PM
just to give some background info, Danny Westneat, the author of this piece is a very outspoken anti over at Seattle Times. I guess even anti-gun libs have their limits as far as government overreach is concerned...?
No, no. Government overreach is fine with him as long as it suits his purpose. He is upset that it may have ruined, or at least made more difficult, the outcome he and others of his ilk yearn for.

Shadow 7D
February 18, 2013, 04:39 PM
Remember, the fight on gun rights is framed by the anti crowd (who gets lots and lots of money from this)

They use general confusion and IGNORANCE to advance their arguement
you point out that it's illegal -> most will go "HUH, but the guy just went to the other state"

Lies and purposely false misrepresenting laws and data, bigoted attacks (remember the NRA=KKK, ALL gun owners are white racist pigs (yes that includes all of us of a darker shade) Claims that the NRA is a terrorist org. arming crazy people and criminals....

this is their game, don't believe me, go check out the Democratic Underground, youwill be scared, these people have NO problem with the feds kicking in your door to take guns, taxing ammo out of existence and a system like Australia where you are so tightly controlled that you can be summarily jailed for possessing ammo in a caliber NOT on your registration card.

That's the future they look for, they DON'T CARE ABOUT CRIME

316SS
February 18, 2013, 05:21 PM
Woops, they put next years bill in INSTEAD of this years...

Dang it, somebody shuffled these bills! I had them all in order!

Diamondback6
February 18, 2013, 06:15 PM
Lemme tell ya something about the Puget Sound area, gents... there's a reason so many around here own boats, and it ain't just the plentiful waters to use 'em on...

Yes, Virginia, the BS out of Olympia and Seattle DOES get That Deep. Time to MAN THE LIFEBOATS again!

NosaMSirhC
February 18, 2013, 06:21 PM
"Perfectly reasonable gun-control bills"=oxymoron.

Thank You for saying it for me...

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Cesiumsponge
February 18, 2013, 06:24 PM
It only takes a few jerks coming out of Seattle to ruin it for the rest of the state. "Schwinn" McGinn and his lackey buddies keep trying to raise a fuss, even admitting they have no traction. I guess "will of the people" only matters if it aligns with their personal worldviews.

Hardtarget
February 18, 2013, 07:23 PM
Just to use the chance to make the lib-***** bleed through their eyes...a pro gun rep should have added that the sherrif would have to go to every computer owners home to check it...looking for child porn.

I mean, if they're going after the gun ownners...make it uncomfortable for EVERY citizen. :evil:

Mark

Dave Rishar
February 19, 2013, 12:45 AM
They already cut the police part out of the bill, but the rest of it is still on the table. As for not reading it closely enough, it's only 8 pages long and half of that is definitions and tables that don't need to be read. I read it several times in under ten minutes, and that's only because I was attempting to find the part that had already been removed. Any who claimed that they "accidentally" signed off on this is either an incompetent moron or a liar. I'll let them make that determination for themselves.

Take a look at their definition of "assault weapon." If I understand this correctly, my Ruger MkIII will be an assault weapon. (Threaded muzzle.) I'm still not sure how this will interact with existing concealed carry laws; if my carry piece is an assault weapon, do I have to transport it in a separate locked container in an unloaded condition? And as I saw no disclaimer for LEOs that are off duty, will they have to do this as well?

The individuals who endorsed this steaming heap of dung have at least one thing in common with me, though - neither of us expect it to pass. Good of them to tip their hands this early though. Maybe we can get another gun buyback going, as the last one was such a rousing success. (Actually, as it turned into an impromptu gun show, I'd welcome another. I'm looking to buy a few things at non-panic prices.)

Ignition Override
February 19, 2013, 12:51 AM
Maybe those Previous contents in that proposed bill should be broadcast far and wide by the NRA?
Or is it just something that would be copied in the PDR of Chicago, NY, MA, CO, CA etc?

jbauch357
February 19, 2013, 12:52 AM
this is the canned response I got back from one of the bill sponsors, she didn't even take the time to read the less than 8 pages of actual content. it is an insult that these people are considered our representatives.


Thanks for your message as well as your civil tone in providing me with your reasons for opposing the bill. While reasonable people can of course disagree on legislation, and while I do still believe that some types of weapons may not be needed to protect one’s family, self, home and property, I understand why some are particularly upset about the bill as introduced. It came to my attention that there had been an error in the preparation of the bill relating to including the language permitting a sheriff to inspect the homes of assault-weapon owners which is not what I understood to be in the bill. If I had known that it was, I would not have signed on as a sponsor. Of course I should have read the bill in its entirety prior to signing onto it; however, I received a briefing on it without mention of the warrantless search language.

Here is what happened:

1. The bill was drafted by Senate Committee Services staff, using an old version of a bill introduced in previous sessions. This version included language (not requested by the sponsors this session) allowing the sheriff to search a residence to ensure assault weapons were securely stored. This was in Section 2 (5) (a).
2. Once the error was discovered and shown to CLEARLY have been a drafting error, and with approval by the Secretary of the Senate, the Code Reviser was able to correct the bill. The Senate Majority Leader, Senator Rodney Tom, agreed to have the bill corrected to the sponsors’ original intent.
3. The Code Reviser corrected the bill on Friday. If you now read Section 2 (5) (a) you can see the language is no longer included.

MachIVshooter
February 19, 2013, 12:53 AM
The individuals who endorsed this steaming heap of dung have at least one thing in common with me, though - neither of us expect it to pass.

Watch them closely, nonetheless. We got blindsided here in CO, and you guys have the same state government composition.

sidheshooter
February 19, 2013, 01:56 AM
That whole situation really honks me off. We had better keep an eye on this.

leadcounsel
February 19, 2013, 02:44 AM
We also have pro-gun reps here, pushing back hard. Here's a response I received from one:

First let me thank you for your service to our country. Rep. Shea served ten years with two combat tours.



And thanks for sharing your concern about our Second Amendment rights. Rep. Shea is adamantly opposed to this and any other bill that would tend to undermine the Second Amendment.
A better approach would be tougher sentencing for violent crimes committed with firearms and enforcing the laws already on the books.

That's why he co-sponsored HB 1371, The Firearms Freedom Act, as part of the Freedom Agenda (see "Freedom Agenda WA" on Facebook).


It is a major component of the Freedom Agenda. This bill, if enacted, will exempt all firearms manufactured in WA State from federal regulation and will deal with anticipated future federal regulations, as well. The Washington bill will even be more robust than the much touted Wyoming bill. The history of this bill in previous sessions has been to exempt firearms manufactured in Washington that stay in Washington.



It also in Section 5(4) nullifies any federal law adopted after January 1, 2013 that bans or attempts registration of firearms. And finally, Section 12(4) specifically prevents any restrictions placed upon law-abiding citizens in a state of emergency. Those of us who remember the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina recall the door-to-door confiscation of firearms and the sometimes disastrous results.



The bill number is House Bill 1371 and can be accessed on your personal computer here.



Rep Shea is aware that there could be a slew of gun control bills coming and he is prepared to argue against them on the floor of the House. He is depending upon the informed citizenry, however, to let the body of the Legislature know how they feel about gun control and, hopefully, be available to testify at committee hearings. It was just a few weeks ago that a Democrat legislator withdrew a gun control bill after receiving a blizzard of messages of objection from concerned citizens.



Thank you very much for your letter and please consider receiving Rep Shea's regular updates while the Legislature is in session (see below). You can also follow Rep Shea by checking in on his legislative web site at: http://www.leg.wa.gov/house/representatives/Pages/shea.aspx .



Warm regards,


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Cesiumsponge
February 19, 2013, 08:29 PM
The bill was not accidentally overlooked. The two previous bills have similar, but not identical language. Dori Monson of KIRO news radio invited all three to go on the record. All three declined but wrote back with excuses.
The same bill was introduced three years ago. SB 6396 - 2009-10
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6396&year=2009

It was sponsored by Kline, Fairley, Kohl-Welles, McDermott. It had it's first reading referred to the Judiciary on January 13th. It had a public hearing in the Senate Committee on Judiciary at 10AM on January 26th under the 2010 regular session. It was reintroduced on March 15th under the 1st special session.

Page 7, line 19:

(a)SAFELY AND SECURELY STORE THE ASSAULT WEAPON. THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY MAY, NO MORE THAN ONCE PER YEAR, CONDUCT AN INSPECTION TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THIS SUBSECTION

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/6396.pdf
Senate Bill report on SB 5475 introduced on January 28, 2005
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6396&year=2009

Present owners, and those who gain ownership by inheritance, may retain their assault weapon if they were legally owned prior to the act, but only if they: (1) submit to an ANNUAL BACKGROUND CHECK for firearm purchase; (2) ANNUALLY REGISTER the weapon with the sheriff in the county where the weapon is usually stored, unless they are prohibited from possessing a firearm; and (3) safely store the weapon. The law enforcement agency may CHARGE A FEE for registration and renewals. Law enforcement MAY INSPECT THE STORAGE of the weapon not more than once per year.
The same bill was introduced three years ago. SB 5475 - 2005-2006

It was sponsored by Senators Kline, Kohl-Welles. It had it's first reading referred to the Judiciary on January 26th and a public hearing in the Senate Committee on Judiciary at 3:30pm on January 25th 2005. It was reintroduced on January 9th of 2006 in regular session.

Unless the person is prohibited by law from possessing a firearm, IMMEDIATELY REFISTER the assault weapon with the sheriff of the county in which the weapon is usually stored; (c) Safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, CONDUCT AN INSPECTION to ensure compliance with this subsection; (d) ANNUALLY RENEW both the REGISTRATION and the BACKGROUND CHECK;

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2005-06/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5475.pdf

jamesbeat
February 19, 2013, 09:18 PM
Seems to me like somebody's lying...
Can't they be impeached or something?

Diamondback6
February 21, 2013, 02:21 AM
"Don't you know, Comrade? 'Truth' is a concern far above mere proles' level..."

9MMare
February 21, 2013, 12:37 PM
I wanted to go down to Olympia and protest last month, but no one else could go with me. And I didnt even know about the one last weekend.

I like to make sure, in my letters, that they know I am not their 'normal' demographic.... female, Democrat, high-tech worker. Imma put that on my protest sign too.

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