ALERT; IDAHO, pending bills


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ID-shooting
February 18, 2013, 05:07 PM
Get to letter writing our local state reps:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/politics/Lawmaker-Boost-training-for-concealed-gun-permit-191690741.html

http://www.ktvb.com/news/capitol-watch/Guns-to-headline-busy-week-in-Idaho-Legislature-191612491.html

Increase training requierments for CCW to gain more reciprocity with other states.

Attempting to open CCW in schools.

Telling the feds to "stuff it" for Idaho-only made/sold silencers.

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bushmaster1313
February 18, 2013, 05:21 PM
For or against more training for CCW?

ID-shooting
February 18, 2013, 05:26 PM
For or against more training for CCW?
They want to increase the training. I can go for it if it opens school CCW as well as increase more states that let me carry, especialy my neighbor states of Oregon and Washington.

I will not back it if it changes the Shall Issue way it is now.

Crashola
February 18, 2013, 05:47 PM
As I read it, it creates a second, voluntary, CCW permit that requires more training. The reason being that holding the new permit will give the holder more reciprocity. Permits under the current system would also be available.

I do like the idea of having the option to get a permit with more reciprocity. I think we only have it now with 2 of our 5 neighboring states.

ID-shooting
February 18, 2013, 06:41 PM
Last I checked we were good with Montana, Wyoming, and Utah. I sure would like Washington, Oregon, and Nevada.

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February 18, 2013, 06:53 PM
Thanks for the articles, read them and the way that I'm understanding it is that it would be an optional/additional CCW step to allow greater reciprocity. This would be great as it would eliminate the need now to get a Utah CCW and pay the additional permit fees.

Like you I hope that it will provide reciprocity with WA, OR, NV, I could care less about all the east coast states that don't reciprocate, I don't have a desire to go back there, outside of a few days to see a few of the national monuments.

Just FYI for those who don't know there is a great website that will give CCW holders valuable information regarding CCW laws it is: Handgun Law US (http://www.handgunlaw.us/).

Crashola
February 18, 2013, 07:03 PM
My bad -- I forgot Utah. So we currently only have reciprocity with 3 of our 6 neighbors.

ID-shooting
February 18, 2013, 08:29 PM
I want to read the text when it posts. I would like local LEO to do the additional training. I don't trust the LGS monkeys who currently do CCW classes to tell me what caliber a 10/22 is much less advanced weapons classes.

PRM
February 19, 2013, 04:13 AM
More infringement... why not require a college degree before one has the right to speak at public gatherings or publish a pamphlet or news paper (1st Amendment), or require one to own property (not rent) before Search limitations apply (4th Amendment).

The national right to carry should be based on the Constitution. And, that probably will never happen as long as the democrats keep being elected on a national level and are calling the shots. This whole gun control push from the left should be a real wake up call for 2014. Remember how Obamacare was voted in and the glee the left had as Pelosi sneered "Yes We Can." Healthcare was just the start of their "transforming agenda."

rem44m
February 19, 2013, 02:49 PM
My bad -- I forgot Utah.

Don't worry... everyone does ;)

Best state I've ever lived in.

Al Norris
February 19, 2013, 06:11 PM
Senate Bill 1099 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/S1099.pdf) is the suppressor bill. It was submitted on Feb. 11th.

Like other States and like the various Firearms Freedom Acts, these are nothing more than show. Federal Law would prevail - See Raich. The notable exception to this bill is that it commands the ID AG to defend individuals or corporations from prosecution by the Feds.

House Bill 183 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0183.pdf) amends a portion of I.C. 50-308 that gave municipal corporations authority to regulate and punish concealed carry. This language was in conflict with the legislation passed a couple of years ago (18 3302J) that held that the State was in complete control of any gun regulations. If passed (and it will be) this bill removes the overlooked and conflicting language.

House Bill 192 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0192.pdf) would modify the fees paid for renewal of our concealed weapons permits. Renewals that occur 91 days to 180 days after expiration would pay an additional fee of $10, as a penalty. Allow your permit to lapse beyond 180 days, you would have to re-apply as if it was an intial application.

This bill would require the Sheriff to notify the ISP within 5 days of the renewal.

Section 2 of this bill introduces a new section: 18-3302K: Issuance of Enhanced Licenses to Carry Concealed Weapons. Training requirements as follows:

(b) Has successfully completed within twelve (12) months immediately preceding filing an application, a qualifying handgun course as specified in this paragraph and taught by a certified instructor who is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law. A copy of the certificate of successful completion of the handgun course, in a form to be prescribed by the director of the Idaho state police and signed by the course instructor, shall be submitted to the sheriff at the time of filing an application under this section. Certified instructors of handgun courses when filing an application under this section shall not be required to submit such certificates but shall submit a copy of their current instructor's credential. The sheriff shall accept as a qualifying handgun course a personal protection course offered by the national rifle association or an equivalent course meeting the following requirements:

(i) The course instructor is certified by the national rifle association, or by another nationally recognized organization that customarily certifies firearms instructors, as an instructor in personal protection with handguns, or the course instructor is certified by the Idaho peace officers standards and training council as a firearms instructor;

(ii) The course is at least eight (8) hours in duration;

(iii) The course is taught face to face and not by electronic or other means; and

(iv) The course includes instruction in:

1. Idaho law relating to firearms and the use of deadly force, provided that such instruction is delivered by either of the following whose name and credential shall appear on the certificate:

(A) An active licensed member of the Idaho state bar; or

(B) A law enforcement officer who possesses an intermediate or higher Idaho peace officers standards and training certificate.

2. The basic concepts of the safe and responsible use of handguns;

3. Self-defense principles; and

4. Live fire training including the firing of at least ninety-eight (98) rounds by the student.

Finally, this bill amends I.C. 9-340B to include the records of newly created 18-3302K as being exempt from public disclosure.

I can find no bill that supports CC in Idaho Schools. If it was filed today, it will show up within 48 hours.

Crashola
February 19, 2013, 08:01 PM
Okay, I'll bite. Why would the live fire training portion require firing "98 rounds"? Seems like an odd number to choose.

pintler
February 19, 2013, 11:19 PM
I sure would like Washington,...

FWIW, the Wa Atty General's office says the reason WA won't reciprocate with ID is:

"Sheriff may grant license to person between 18-21-yrs-old. No mandatory mental health background check."

WA, I think, requires permittees to be 21 and presumably requires the mental health check. WA doesn't have a training requirement.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/page.aspx?id=7772

Al Norris
March 6, 2013, 12:53 PM
Contrary to what may have been reported by the media, the following firearms bills in the Idaho legisture are as follows:

S1099, the Suppressor bill, is being held at the Senate State Affairs Committee.

H0183, the technical correction bill (removes language granting municiple authorities the power to regulate CC), has passed the House and is at the Senate State Affairs Committee.

H0192, the enhanced CWP licensing bill, has passed the House and is at the Senate State Affairs Committee.

H0219, a bill to prohibit any State official from complying with any Federal Law that requires the banning, registration of firearms or magazines, is filed for a third reading in the House.

H0223, a bill that amends existing law to revise the definition of "concealed weapon." It is up for a third reading. It exempts the following:

any knife, cleaver or other instrument primarily used in the processing, preparation or eating of food, any knife with a blade four (4) inches or less or any lawfully possessed taser, stun gun or pepper spray.

H0229, a bill that adds additional protections to the Idaho Firearms Freedom Act of 2010. This bill makes Senate bill S1099, redundant. The bill has been filed for a third reading.

H0258, a bill that amends existing law to require the Sheriff to provide the applicant a copy of the records check, should the applicant be denied a CWP. Filed on Monday and is at the House State Affairs Committee.

Al Norris
March 16, 2013, 09:47 PM
Followup on current legislation:

House Bill 183 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0183.pdf) amends a portion of I.C. 50-308 that gave municipal corporations authority to regulate and punish concealed carry. This language was in conflict with the legislation passed a couple of years ago (18-3302J) that held that the State was in complete control of any gun regulations. If passed (and it will be) this bill removes the overlooked and conflicting language.

On 02/28 the bill passed (Ayes=66-Nays=2-Excused/Absent=2) and was sent to the Senate. On 03/01 it was read for the first time and sent to the Senate State Affairs Committee.

House Bill 192 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0192.pdf) would modify the fees paid for renewal of our concealed weapons permits. Renewals that occur 91 days to 180 days after expiration would pay an additional fee of $10, as a penalty. Allow your permit to lapse beyond 180 days, you would have to re-apply as if it was an intial application.

This bill would require the Sheriff to notify the ISP within 5 days of the renewal.

Section 2 of this bill introduces a new section: 18-3302K: Issuance of Enhanced Licenses to Carry Concealed Weapons.

Finally, this bill amends I.C. 9-340B to include the records of newly created 18-3302K as being exempt from public disclosure.

Passed the House (68-0-2) on 02/28 and sent to the Senate. On 03/01 the bill was read for the first time and sent to the Senate State Affairs Committee.

House Bill 219 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0219.pdf), a bill to prohibit any State official from complying with any Federal Law that requires the banning, registration of firearms or magazines, Adds a new section, to be known as 18-3315B. The law, if passed, would make it a misdemeanor to aid or abet Federal Authorities in any scheme to ban, tax or register firearms or accessories.

Passed the House (55-13-2) on 03/11. Currently at the Senate State Affairs Committee.

House Bill 223 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0223.pdf), amends 18-3302(n)(7) to exempt any knife (as defined) that has a blade 4 inches or less, and exempts any taser, stun gun or pepper spray, from the definition of a concealed weapon.

Passed the House (69-0-1) on 03/07. Currently at the Senate State Affairs Committee.

House Bill 229 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0229.pdf), a bill that adds additional protections to the Idaho Firearms Freedom Act of 2010. This bill makes Senate Bill S1099, redundant.

The Bill was read for the third time but was returned to the House State Affairs Committee on 03/06.

House Bill 258 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0258.pdf), a bill that amends existing law to require the Sheriff to provide the applicant a copy of the records check, should the applicant be denied a CWP.

Passed (62-0-8) the House on 03/15 and will likely hit the Senate on Monday and be sent to the Senate State Affairs Committee.

The only bill to originate in the Senate is Senate Bill 1099 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/S1099.pdf), where it has sat at the Senate State Affairs Committee. This bill would make suppressors that are made in Idaho and stay in Idaho, lawfull to own and possess, regardless of Federal Law. Since a suppressor is a firearm accessory, it is felt that the passage of H0229 would make this bill redundant.

hovercat
March 16, 2013, 11:15 PM
Wld #219 prohibit collection of the current fed tax on guns and ammo?

crankyoldlady
March 16, 2013, 11:22 PM
Washington requires fingerprints and will not extend reciprocity to any state that does not also require fingerprints as part of the application process.

Al Norris
March 19, 2013, 03:20 PM
Washington requires fingerprints and will not extend reciprocity to any state that does not also require fingerprints as part of the application process.

Idaho requires fingerprints, so that clearly is not the reason that WA does not recognize ID permits.

There are actually 2 reasons (to the best of my knowledge): 1) ID Sheriff are authorized to issue permits to those between 18 and 21, under certain circumstances and 2) ID does not do a separate mental health check.

Riceman98
March 19, 2013, 04:01 PM
Al Norris is correct.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/concealedweapons/reciprocity.aspx#.UUi0xYy9KK0

Al Norris
March 27, 2013, 12:51 PM
House Bill 183 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0183.pdf) has passed the Senate (35-0-0) on Mar. 25th, was sent back to the House to enroll prior to sending to the Governor.

House Bill 192 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0192.pdf) has passed the Senate (35-0-0) on Mar. 25th, was sent back to the House to enroll prior to sending to the Governor.

House Bill 219 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0219.pdf) is still in the Senate State Affairs Committee.

House Bill 223 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0223.pdf) has passed the Senate (35-0-0) on Mar. 25th, was sent back to the House to enroll prior to sending to the Governor.

House Bill 229 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0229.pdf) has been returned to the House State Affairs Committee.

House Bill 229 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0229.pdf) has been returned to the House State Affairs Committee.

House Bill 258 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0258.pdf) was reported out of committee with a "Do Pass" recommendation and has been set for a third reading on the Senate.

Senate Bill 1099 (http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/S1099.pdf) is being held in committee.

Al Norris
March 31, 2013, 03:16 PM
House Bill 0183 (removes conflicting language); 0192 (enhanced CWP); 0223 (knives with blades under 4," pepper spray, tasers, etc., are not to be considered "concealed weapons); 0258 (records checks), have all passed both houses (with unanimous or veto proof margins) and are before the Governor to sign.

These new laws will become effective July 1st.

Al Norris
April 5, 2013, 10:12 PM
The Idaho legislature is done for this session.

The Otter has signed into law, H183, H192, and H223. Otter has yet to sign H258, but we all figure he will.

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