Magpul update... not bluffing!


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CoRoMo
February 18, 2013, 05:10 PM
https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/561802137165473

We're hearing some rumors that the Gov and the Dem caucus think we are bluffing. Just to clarify for them, then...we're not a political company. We dont play political games. We've made our position very clear, very publicly. We would not survive lying to our customer base, nor would we ever consider it. If you pass this, we will leave, and you will own it. We've already got plans in place to get PMAG manufacturing moved rapidly, and the rest of the company will follow. We will make sure to at least have a small remain-behind operation through the 2014 elections so that we can remind folks why we are gone.
I hate to see them go, but this is what happens when power and control are more important than economics.

To show our appreciation, place an order through DSGarms.com for some Pmags!

http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/MAG571-BLK.aspx

DSG is still taking backorders which are being filled 6-7 weeks out and has not increased their prices!

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1KPerDay
February 18, 2013, 06:00 PM
Thanks for the link.

Torian
February 18, 2013, 06:01 PM
Even if CO doesn't pass the law...they have demonstrated they can't be trusted not to try to same thing in the future.

Companies have to take action to reduce future risks as well. Time to move Magpul. Come to TX!

CoRoMo
February 18, 2013, 06:06 PM
I would almost agree Torian, almost.

Like you, I initially would suggest that Magpul move anyway, regardless if it passes or not; punish the fascists who merely suggested the gun control. However, if it doesn't pass and they leave anyway, what's to stop the legislature from taking the issue up again and ramming it through? There would be no Magpul in Colorado to make an economic threat that day. Nothing would stand in the way of gun control that day.

If this ultimately doesn't pass and Magpul stays, they become a throne of legislative influence. They stay in the state and get a place at the table where laws are written.

Averageman
February 18, 2013, 06:24 PM
However, if it doesn't pass and they leave anyway, what's to stop the legislature from taking the issue up again and ramming it through? There would be no Magpul in Colorado to make an economic threat that day. Nothing would stand in the way of gun control that day.


Or they can do the prudent thing and move half of the operation to Texas, they know it will happen again.
This would be the best of both worlds as they can accomplish both having an operation in a free state and rubbing the nose of the Libs in it in Colorado.

19-3Ben
February 18, 2013, 06:27 PM
This would be the best of both worlds as they can accomplish both having an operation in a free state and rubbing the nose of the Libs in it in Colorado.

This would lessen their economic impact in CO threby lessening the weight of any threat they make to move the whole operation. It would, in fact, do the opposite of what you expect.
It's an all or nothing deal.

Kudos to Magpul. I've never owned one of their products but am now looking at their website to see if they make something I can buy just to say thanks for the support. Looks like my Rem 870 may need a new stock and foreend!!

CoRoMo
February 18, 2013, 06:28 PM
Well they've said that they will leave if it passes and stay if it fails.

If they do anything other than what they said, it'll make the next company's threat meaningless. Nobody would put stock in what any company threatened to do or not do.

JayBird
February 18, 2013, 06:40 PM
Bravo to them.

And to those saying....they should move anyways. Why displace all of the employees if they dont have too? Even if the employees decide to make the move, it is a major thing for every employee. Not to mention the costs they will be incurring to move.

I say, they should stay if the bill doesnt pass. As much as I would love to have Magpul operating down here in The Gunshine State, I totally support their decision.

I would like to see Remington move for krine out loud though!!

evan price
February 18, 2013, 06:55 PM
Colorado passed their ban so looks like magpul will be leaving.

CoRoMo
February 18, 2013, 06:56 PM
If they do move, they should forever mold a bit of text into their products that says something about how Magpul products used to be made in Colorado but are now made in a state that honors the rights of Americans.
Colorado passed their ban so looks like magpul will be leaving.
Neither the Colorado Senate nor the Governor's desk has seen this legislation.

Jon Coppenbarger
February 18, 2013, 07:06 PM
Hey maybe someone will open a hi-cap magazine store right next to the fireworks store on the co/wy border.

Tinman357
February 19, 2013, 12:26 AM
They get any and all of my future business for anything I need that they sell. I support companies like this as much as I can.

Ms_Dragon
February 19, 2013, 12:32 AM
We are able to buy Magpul products here in Australia.

They'll be getting my business.

wow6599
February 19, 2013, 12:34 AM
I wish they would come to Missouri.

Set-up shop in Columbia (middle of the state), and have Midway come pick-up orders by the truck load!

Deaf Smith
February 19, 2013, 12:45 AM
If they leave Colorado....

YOU CAN COME TO TEXAS.

Us Texicans would be real happy to have you here.

Deaf

r1derbike
February 19, 2013, 12:50 AM
I wish they would come to Arkansas. Northwest Arkansas.

Own many MagPul products.

They have the huevos to make good their promise. I applaud them, and will be buying their products, no matter where they are.

wow6599
February 19, 2013, 01:17 AM
I doubt it. Your socialist politicians are themselves trying to destroy the 2nd Amendment.

Do some homework before you make statements like this. TWO St. Louis area dems are introducing some b.s. legislation that has zero chance of going anywhere. Period.

We have a Republican Supermajority and some of the most relaxed firearm laws in the U.S..

So, what are you talking about?

Grunt
February 19, 2013, 01:34 AM
Why go to Texas when Wyoming is just up the road and more gun friendly than Texas? I mean, in Wyoming, you only need a Wyoming CCW permit if you are going out of state. Besides, Texas is still playing catch-up to Wyoming's Firearms Protection act.:neener:

Zardaia
February 19, 2013, 01:43 AM
Come to the gunshine state, FL. Hang out at the beach after a day's work.

Texan Scott
February 19, 2013, 01:45 AM
Wyoming would be my #2 choice (if the San Saba River Valley ceases to exist).

Try my hand at growing wheat, maybe. And shoveling snow. And snow tires! I've never owned any...

chris in va
February 19, 2013, 02:23 AM
Pretty sure the authors of this legislation are happy MagPul is leaving. It's what they wanted.

-v-
February 19, 2013, 02:55 AM
Pro-business, Pro-gun State? Think Tennessee fits that bill and its closer then Texas :p..

mrvco
February 19, 2013, 03:43 AM
Hey maybe someone will open a hi-cap magazine store right next to the fireworks store on the co/wy border.
You KNOW that is going to happen.

Boxhead
February 19, 2013, 06:43 AM
"Or they can do the prudent thing"

The prudent thing is for them to do whatever is required to ensure their success and maximize profit. Nothing less.

rgwalt
February 19, 2013, 11:25 AM
I think that Rick Perry should travel to Colorado to tempt magpul into moving to Texas. He just got back from a similar trip to California. Magpul should set up shop in Houston, close to a polymer plant. Reduced feed and shipping costs!

rodinal220
February 19, 2013, 12:11 PM
The liberal wackos that infect CO(Boulder/Denver) don't care if Magpul or any other gun related company leave or not. They make more off of taxes from booze and weed. CO has more micro breweries(and some big ones) than anywhere else in the nation and the pot business is booming.

Racinfan83
February 19, 2013, 12:25 PM
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NOW - The STL area would be a great place for Magpul to relocate. Lots of cheap, empty industrial space, and unemployed factory workers chomping at the bit to get work...:):)[/COLOR][/B]

HOOfan_1
February 19, 2013, 01:00 PM
I hate to see them go, but this is what happens when power and control are more important than economics.

To show our appreciation, place an order through DSGarms.com for some Pmags!

http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/MAG571-BLK.aspx

DSG is still taking backorders which are being filled 6-7 weeks out and has not increased their prices!

I placed a backorder with Brownell about 8 weeks ago....so can I trust that 6-7 week promise?

CoRoMo
February 19, 2013, 01:04 PM
My post says DSG is filling backorders in 6-7 weeks.

If you follow the mag tracking threads on ar15.com, you'll notice that DSG is receiving WAAAAY more Pmags than Brownells is. Guys are actually getting mad at Magpul for funneling so much through DSG than any other distributor.

HOOfan_1
February 19, 2013, 01:07 PM
My post says DSG is filling backorders in 6-7 weeks.

If you follow the mag tracking threads on ar15.com, you'll notice that DSG is receiving WAAAAY more Pmags than Brownells is. Guys are actually getting mad at Magpul for funneling so much through DSG than any other distributor.

I would have thought Brownells would have had more clout than DSG

CoRoMo
February 19, 2013, 01:15 PM
DSG's productivity seems to have caught everyone by shock. They are cranking out so many more orders AND continuing to take backorders while Brownells stands flatfooted.

Just to be clear, I have no affiliation with DSG nor Brownells. I ordered 40 Pmags from Brownells on 12/18 and received them the following week. But I've been watching this stuff ever since and it's been entertaining.

There are numerous Brownells customers like you who've since placed a backorder with DSG and received it while the Brownells order is still lost in outer space.

I just checked one of the mag tracking threads and it looks like the type of mags matter. Yesterday DSG was shipping non-window mags ordered on 12/22 and windowed mags ordered on 12/29. That's roughly <9 & <8 weeks respectively. My OP was based off of some DSG orders tracked last Saturday.

InkEd
February 19, 2013, 01:21 PM
MagPul Industries

Tennesse Welcomes You

Barrett, TGI, MidSouth Shooters Supply, Hamilton Bowen and TN Cartridge Co. will make good neighbors. I think you will get along great with everyone.

Ashcons
February 19, 2013, 01:28 PM
Yuck. I went to a Denver Port article linked from one of the Magpul articles and there was a poll about the move, basically asking readers if Magpul should move out of the state if the legislation passes. The answers were (paraphrased):

Yes - Good riddance, we don't need them or their product here.
No - They'd be exempt and CO needs the jobs.
Maybe - My opinion is somewhere between these options.

The corpse of the 4th estate needs a formal burial.

SSN Vet
February 19, 2013, 04:22 PM
There are a few silver linings on this cloud...

1. Other states may stand up and take notice... being less prone to follow with their own banal feel good legisltation.

2. Freedom minded states may prosper if these trends continue and other companies follow Magpul's lead.

3. Colorado Dems may lose a bit of stature.

I think it may prove to be an opening salvo in the Balkanization of the US, whereby freedom loving peoples congregate in states where they can sway the political landscape and pull away from the tentacles of the Federal Gub'ment.

Akita1
February 19, 2013, 04:51 PM
Welcome to FL

browneu
February 19, 2013, 04:56 PM
Ohio

Uhhhh, we have buckeyes.

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InkEd
February 19, 2013, 05:47 PM
Ohio voted for Obama.

JLe˛dhas
February 19, 2013, 07:54 PM
Magpul would be welcomed in the Heart of Dixie.

76shuvlinoff
February 19, 2013, 08:28 PM
Not that I "need" any more 30 rounders but I have decided to gain a few more now.

matrem
February 19, 2013, 08:34 PM
Thanks for the link CoRoMo
order is still lost in outer space.
I put an order out (not Brownells) Monday the 17th & it's apparently somewhere near outer space.

Ohio voted for Obama.

I think everybody in Cleveland voted at least twice.

callenlee
February 19, 2013, 08:39 PM
MagPul Industries

Tennesse Welcomes You

Barrett, TGI, MidSouth Shooters Supply, Hamilton Bowen and TN Cartridge Co. will make good neighbors. I think you will get along great with everyone.
What he said

Torian
February 19, 2013, 08:54 PM
Just put in an order. I've had a backorder for almost 2 months with US Cav. Not optimistic.

browneu
February 19, 2013, 08:55 PM
Ohio voted for Obama.

Don't remind me. Stupid Cleveland democrats voting more than once.

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buckeye8
February 19, 2013, 09:03 PM
Ohio's state-level politics are dominated by Republicans (State Congress, conservative Governor). As for how Democrats have found success here in National elections... I'll leave that to your imagination.

Magpul would be pretty safe in Ohio. We have spent the better part of the last decade writing pro-gun law after pro-gun law, and recent events have not changed that trend.

The thing that hurts Ohio is our reputation as a 'union' state, which was certainly true 40 years ago, but like everywhere else, unionism has died a slow death here in the Buckeye state. Magpul would not have to worry about fighting union power here, because outside of the U.A.W., there is no union power to speak of.

USAF_Vet
February 19, 2013, 09:04 PM
I doubt it. Your socialist politicians are themselves trying to destroy the 2nd Amendment.

Magpul will doubtless choose a state that is both labor friendly and gun friendly. Oklahoma maybe? Texas?
Michigan is my hope. We just dealt a serious blow to unionized thug labor with the recent passage of Right to Work laws, and aside from stupid pistol laws, we're a pretty gun friendly state.

We sure could use the jobs and the economic boost.

The place I work in the GR area does a lot of plastics work. Could be an opportunity for a nice joint venture.

Seventhsword
February 19, 2013, 09:13 PM
They are coming to Texas!:neener:

USAF_Vet
February 19, 2013, 09:16 PM
They are coming to Texas!:neener:
Complete speculation. As of this moment, they aren't even leaving Colorado.

Deaf Smith
February 19, 2013, 11:35 PM
Not that I "need" any more 30 rounders but I have decided to gain a few more now.
You know Rosa Parks didn't 'need' to sit at the front of the bus, BUT IT WAS HER RIGHT. And so it is our right to own arms, same basic arms as the military and that includes 30 round magazines.

And Magpul, Texas has it all. Just come on down where you are ready.

Deaf

USAF_Vet
February 19, 2013, 11:42 PM
I lived there for awhile. I remember having to physically carry my handgun collection downtown (Flint) to let some bureaucrat put her fingerprints all over my mint Smith and Wessons and Colts, so that she could log the serial numbers. I didn't even have to do that when I moved to The People's Republic of California.
Must have been awhile ago since they did away with that more than a decade ago. :rolleyes:

By the way, if you are going to quote me, please read the entire context. and aside from stupid pistol laws, we're a pretty gun friendly state.

nwilliams
February 19, 2013, 11:55 PM
Dear Magpul,

We have plenty of space and freedom here in NM if you are interested! Also you don't need to move very far!;)

Ms_Dragon
February 20, 2013, 12:48 AM
I thinks it's all very good an well to ask Magpul to come to your state but the costs of relocation would be prohibitive.
They (Magpul) would need some sort of assurance that the state they they moved to was going to stay a pro 2A state or the move would be a pointless and expensive exercise.

Here, my home state is very aggressive in courting and encouraging multi-nationals to set up shop.
The sweeten the pot with reduced state taxes.
They help pay for and build and upgrade infrastructure like rail sidings, roads, raise the dam walls to cope with the increased water usage, offer low interest loans to property developers so the workers have somewhere to live etc....

All these things and a very pro business attitude helps bring these large employers to the state.

Grunt
February 20, 2013, 12:50 AM
Nah, don't go to Texas. WAY too hot down there. Now Wyoming is close by to your friends and family behind enemy lines, I-25 and I-80 intersect right there at Cheyenne and way more gun friendly than Texas!:neener:

wacki
February 20, 2013, 01:21 AM
How many people work for Magpul?

Zak Smith
February 20, 2013, 04:38 AM
They were reporting approx 200 directly and another approx 400 at the subcontractors.

HorseSoldier
February 20, 2013, 05:43 AM
Magpul would be welcomed in the Heart of Dixie.

Anniston has been trying to sell big chunks of the former Ft McClellan to assorted industries for quite some time now. I'm guessing the state would be more than happy to roll out a serious sweet heart deal to attract the business.

Shanghai McCoy
February 20, 2013, 08:38 AM
Kansas is just accross the border and there is plenty places to set up in Wichita or Topeka...

Trung Si
February 20, 2013, 11:06 AM
They get any and all of my future business for anything I need that they sell. I support companies like this as much as I can.
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Me also!
I fail to understand the Whiners in this Thread you want them to stand up for Your Rights, but you don't want them to move and stay here, just to be driven out later by an unfriendly State Government by taxation, regulation and general harassment like their Model California is doing to Gun related Companies?:banghead:
Good for Them!
God Bless Texas!

Taurus 617 CCW
February 20, 2013, 11:15 AM
...you don't want them to move and stay here, just to be driven out later by an unfriendly State Government by taxation, regulation and general harassment...

That is precisely why NGA moved from Oregon. Sad they had to close down but it was a matter of sticking to one's principals and not letting the Government do as they please while just sitting there and taking it. I am happy to see that Magpul is sticking to their principals as well.

SpazC
February 20, 2013, 11:27 AM
Anniston has been trying to sell big chunks of the former Ft McClellan to assorted industries for quite some time now. I'm guessing the state would be more than happy to roll out a serious sweet heart deal to attract the business.
Wouldn't that be convenient. A MOUT site right next to your factory!!!!!!

I've had to good pleasure of using that facility several times, so much fun!

xfyrfiter
February 20, 2013, 05:11 PM
Lots of gun friendly states real near to Co. Az, Ut, Wy, Nm, Id, Mt all would welcome the jobs and the tax dollars.

cemjr
February 20, 2013, 09:52 PM
Michigan is my hope. We just dealt a serious blow to unionized thug labor with the recent passage of Right to Work laws, and aside from stupid pistol laws, we're a pretty gun friendly state.

We sure could use the jobs and the economic boost.

The place I work in the GR area does a lot of plastics work. Could be an opportunity for a nice joint venture.
I can give you another good reason why MAG PUL should choose Michigan , Senate bill 63,(if it passes), "Firearms Freedom Act" which says if you manufacture a firearm , firearm accessory or ammuition in Michigan and it remains within our borders, it is not subject to any federal law or regulation.

ole farmerbuck
February 20, 2013, 10:03 PM
Kansas is just accross the border and there is plenty places to set up in Wichita or Topeka...
Heck I might even furnish their land!!!!!!

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