My letter to Skyline Chili


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bthr22
February 19, 2013, 12:10 PM
I discovered this weekend that Skyline Chili does not support concealed carry. So I just emailed their corporate office to express my opinion and to inform them that I will no longer support their business until their policy is changed. Here is a copy of the email I sent:

Hello,

My name is Ryan C*****, and I have been a big supporter of Skyline Chili my whole life. Unfortunately, we don't have a Skyline near my college, so it is a special treat to go to Skyline when I go home.

This past weekend, I went home for the first time this semester. Naturally, I went to Skyline. As I walked in, I noticed a no firearms sign on the door. I am licensed to carry a concealed firearm, and had to return to my truck and lock my gun away. Concealed Carry is a very important issue to me, and I believe that law abiding citizens should not be restricted. I am trained, had an FBI background check, and been licensed to carry. A "No Gun" sign will not stop a criminal. It only restricts, and endangers the law abiding citizens.

I am extremely torn here. I love Skyline Chili, but I will stand up for my beliefs. So, until Skyline's policy on Concealed Carry changes, I will no longer be supporting your business, nor will I recommend it to anyone else. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you.

Ryan C*****

I think this is fairly concise and expresses my thoughts well enough without becoming long winded, but your opinions are welcome. If I receive a reply, I will post it! Thanks!

Bthr22

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Ryanxia
February 19, 2013, 12:22 PM
Good for you. If you really want to spice things up, take a picture of your next restaurant bill and send it to them saying this is what you would have spent with them had they had common sense policies.

bthr22
February 19, 2013, 12:26 PM
Haha, I'd like to do that. Their contact form doesn't give an email address to directly contact them. It's one of the contact forms with separate info. fields and a small box to put your question or complaint. No way to attach images. They do list their mailing address for physical letters though. Maybe I'll just send the actual receipt! :evil:

bthr22
February 19, 2013, 01:16 PM
Well, I received a reply. Basically saying, IMO, that my business is not as valuable to them as is it should be. Here is the reply:


We received your comments regarding our company policy of prohibiting firearms in our restaurants. We are sorry this has negatively impacted your ability to enjoy our restaurants. We never want to lose a customer and we can assure you that this was not a decision that was made lightly. However, based on input from local police, our trade associations and our corporate counsel, we determined that this was the best route for us. We recognize and respect the fact that there are different viewpoints on this issue.

Sincerely,


Skyline Chili, Inc.



So, moving forward. I will no longer support Skyline, period. I will make sure none of my friends or family support them. So, if anyone lives near a Skyline, you are more than welcome to join me in a boycott, or voicing your opinion. Here is Skyline's contact page if you would like to send an email/letter:

http://www.skylinechili.com/contact_us.php

bthr22

tuj
February 19, 2013, 01:27 PM
oh man, I love skyline too.... displaced Cincinnati boy here...

Texshooter
February 19, 2013, 03:07 PM
NEVER stop fighting for what is right.

Good job.

PavePusher
February 19, 2013, 08:23 PM
"...based on input from local police, our trade associations and our corporate counsel..."

Ask for quotes and/or names of who their "input" was from.

ArcherandShooter
February 19, 2013, 09:17 PM
I'd bet it was the corporate counsel, afraid that if the company doesn't forbid guns then they are potentially liable for damages if a gun is ever used in one of their restaurants.

That kind of idiocy will never go away until some company is successfully sued by someone who convinces a jury their injury is the fault of the company who not only prohibited lawful self-defense but then failed to provide adequate effective on-site security.

Not that I ever expect to see that ...

v65magnafan
February 19, 2013, 10:13 PM
Make sure they are liable if someone gets shot by a criminal--because the criminal read the "no-guns" sign.

Torian
February 19, 2013, 10:20 PM
I could care less about whiney liberal "gun free" zone signs at restaurants or similar venues.

The only laws I'm concerned about are the ones that are actually on the books.

Of course, nothing wrong with highlighting a BS policy to begin with.

Shurshot
February 19, 2013, 10:27 PM
here in Ohio those signs went up at Skyline as soon as the concealed carry law passed years ago.

the OP should have left and not given them their business and then wrote his letter. by telling them he went back and locked his gun up and came back in to eat some chilly just likely made them chuckle because they still got his money while making him leave himself unarmed.

Ryanxia
February 19, 2013, 10:50 PM
"...based on input from local police, our trade associations and our corporate counsel..."

Ask for quotes and/or names of who their "input" was from.
THIS. Please. Also the comment about making sure they accept all financial and legal responsibilities for the safety of their customers and their children.

(Should a Sandy Hook incident occur they will pay all medical, financial, legal and emotional damages that would otherwise not occur if one were to protect their own lives)

bthr22
February 20, 2013, 08:08 AM
I'm going to post a draft response before I send it to Skyline Corporate. Input/corrections are greatly appreciated.

To whom it may concern,

I would like to know where you got your local police input. What exactly was their advice? Also, what kind of statistics do you have showing that "gun free zones" reduce crime? I am very skeptical of your reasoning as I have never seen evidence correlating "gun free zones" with less crime.

I should also note that legally, a business allowing concealed carry is not liable for damage or injury in the event of a robbery or other self defense scenario. Therefore, patrons should not be stripped of their Second Amendment rights. I look forward to hearing from you and working with you to make your establishments safer and friendly to everyone.

Ryan C*****

I appreciate all input. I'm writing this as I have to leave for class and probably left out or added too much of something. This is my first time fighting for something like this. Thanks, for the support!

Ryan

Shanghai McCoy
February 20, 2013, 08:21 AM
They got their "local police input" from the Chief of police probably... he got his "input" from the political hacks who got him his REMF job.

Invisible Swordsman
February 20, 2013, 09:25 AM
I would remove tghe language about liability, since the Ohio Revised Code provides immunity.


2923.126 [Effective Until 3/27/2013] Duties of licensed individual.
(C)(2)(a) A private employer shall be immune from liability in a civil action for any injury, death, or loss to person or property that allegedly was caused by or related to a licensee bringing a handgun onto the premises or property of the private employer, including motor vehicles owned by the private employer, unless the private employer acted with malicious purpose. A private employer is immune from liability in a civil action for any injury, death, or loss to person or property that allegedly was caused by or related to the private employer’s decision to permit a licensee to bring, or prohibit a licensee from bringing, a handgun onto the premises or property of the private employer. As used in this division, “private employer” includes a private college, university, or other institution of higher education.

bthr22
February 20, 2013, 09:33 AM
Invisible Swordsman,
Good catch. I'll edit it.

Russ Jackson
February 20, 2013, 10:04 AM
I just sent a letter.

I heard that you do not support concealed carry for licensed individuals. As a regular patron I am sorry but I will no longer patronize your business. I guess Camp Washington, Dixie Chili, Gold Star or Steak & Shake will now get my business. I have three Sons and a Daughter that will stop eating at Skyline also. I figure we each eat at least once a month with our spouses and children. I figure with our families at $35 dollars each or more per month X 5 = $175 per month or $2100 per year in lost sales. I will be sure to pass this information to all my service providers in the flooring industry of which we have over 80 crews in the Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, and northern Kentucky. hopefully they and their families will stop eating there also. If half stop and they eat just $40 per month $40 X 40 = $1600 per month or $19,200 per year in lost sales. If you decide on revisiting your stance on the 2nd amendment and concealed carry for licensed responsible citizens let me know.

Here is the Link again:http://www.skylinechili.com/contact_us.php

Sav .250
February 20, 2013, 10:06 AM
Way to stand up for your convictions! Never heard of Skyline Chili though.

bthr22
February 20, 2013, 10:07 AM
Russ,
I like the figures you include! Let us know what they say!

TenDriver
February 20, 2013, 11:20 AM
Way to stand up for your convictions! Never heard of Skyline Chili though.

It's a Cincinnati thing. Sorta like saying "please" rather than "say again".:evil:

USAF_Vet
February 20, 2013, 12:55 PM
No Skyline up here in Michigan, but as a displaced KYian who spent a lot of time in the Cincy area, I spent a lot of money at Skyline (although I did prefer Goldstar). I will also send them a letter, and post a copy on their Facebook page as I 'unlike' them. I still have a lot of friends in Northern KY, and will hopefully convince some of them to take their business elsewhere.

bthr22
February 20, 2013, 02:54 PM
I replied to their response to my initial email. I sent the draft I had posted this morning, with the addition at the start thanking them for their prompt response. We will see what I hear back.

Ryan

thorazine
February 21, 2013, 05:33 AM
I added "and your chilli is sub-par on the best of days" =D

wickedsprint
February 21, 2013, 06:01 AM
I never cared for their chili anyways.

Rugerspyderon
February 21, 2013, 06:28 AM
Thanks for the heads up. I forwarded to Buckeye Firearms Assoc.
I will stay away from Skyline and write a letter.

rayban
February 21, 2013, 07:02 AM
So I guess you can have a 3-way, 4-way, or a 5-way....you just can't have it your way.....

They have a drive through don't they? Why not use that? That way you don't have to announce you're carrying.

beatledog7
February 21, 2013, 07:08 AM
Skyline is a business, and like any business it is free to make choices that it thinks are in its interests. Its corporate counsel must have decided that the few customers it might lose by posting a no-guns policy would be more than offset by the increase in customer count it could garner through providing a gun-free dining experience. Or maybe it's something more complex. But if I were placing bet on its reasoning, I'd go for it being more profit-risk based than political.

Yes, the concept of a gun-free dining experience is laughable, but it's in keeping with the mindset held by so many, the same one that drives gun-free zones anywhere else.

The OP could press this privately held business for explanations that appeases him, but what's the point? Skyline is under no obligation to explain its policies to him, and he's under no obligation to spend his money at Skyline.

While it may seem noble on its face, this staunch refusal to do business with any company or person that has an anti-gun policy of any kind is fruitless--you simply can't do it. There are too many anti-gun tentacles in too many places. Might as well try to avoid breathing the same air an anti breathes.

steelerdude99
February 21, 2013, 08:16 AM
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The OP could press this privately held business for explanations that appeases him, but what's the point? Skyline is under no obligation to explain its policies to him, and he's under no obligation to spend his money at Skyline.

While it may seem noble on its face, this staunch refusal to do business with any company or person that has an anti-gun policy of any kind is fruitless--you simply can't do it. There are too many anti-gun tentacles in too any places. Might as well try to avoid breathing the same air an anti breathes.

The pizza chain most likely will not change their stance from a former patron’s letter. When one, two … or more letters arrives saying they went to the competitor, they may get the message. The story that I loved was that Starbucks wants to patrons to just “follow the law”. The anti-gun’ers are somehow offended by this.

chuck

Russ Jackson
February 21, 2013, 08:28 AM
Skyline is a business, and like any business it is free to make choices that it thinks are in its interests. Its corporate counsel must have decided that the few customers it might lose by posting a no-guns policy would be more than offset by the increase in customer count it could garner through providing a gun-free dining experience. Or maybe it's something more complex. But if I were placing bet on its reasoning, I'd go for it being more profit-risk based than political.

Yes, the concept of a gun-free dining experience is laughable, but it's in keeping with the mindset held by so many, the same one that drives gun-free zones anywhere else.

The OP could press this privately held business for explanations that appeases him, but what's the point? Skyline is under no obligation to explain its policies to him, and he's under no obligation to spend his money at Skyline.

While it may seem noble on its face, this staunch refusal to do business with any company or person that has an anti-gun policy of any kind is fruitless--you simply can't do it. There are too many anti-gun tentacles in too any places. Might as well try to avoid breathing the same air an anti breathes.
I do not think they need to explain their policies, however bringing up there stand against the 2nd amendment and telling them that you and others will not go there will have an impact. You can vote with your dollars and sooner or later they will change or maybe go out of business. Losing 20 regulars will hurt the bottom line. Especially to a local chain. I do not think they are doing very well anyway as I see the parking lot is usually vacant.

beatledog7
February 22, 2013, 08:59 AM
Nothing wrong with expressing oneself, of course. I merely note that a company that decides to have a no-guns policy has made the decision with business considerations in mind and will hold onto that policy as long as business conditions warrant it. Skyline apparently thinks that more people will decide to have some of their chili because of the supposedly gun-free environment than will decide not to because of the no-guns policy.

A handful or even a lot of customers voicing opposition to the policy is unlikely to have any effect beyond making those who spoke out feel better. The only thing that will make Skyline change its policy, provided I'm right about it being revenue-based, is actual, measurable loss of profit that can be demonstrably linked to the no-guns policy. If one guy takes his family of four to Skyline because they don't allow guns, and one guy decides to take his family of four elsewhere because of that same policy, it's a wash to Skyline.

ezypikns
February 22, 2013, 02:24 PM
You stated very clearly your objections and carried through with your decision. I applaud you and others like you.


Of course you know, Skyline doesn't really serve chili. Please come to Texas and have some real chili.

bthr22
February 23, 2013, 08:13 AM
ezypikns: Oh, trust me, I love some good, homemade chili. Venison chili is particularly good. But if I'm ever in the Dallas area, I'll be sure to give you a call! :D

In regards to the reply I sent them, I haven't gotten a response. I would be surprised if I did. But I feel like I did what I needed to do, and hopefully it made some kind of progress.

yzguy87
February 27, 2013, 02:32 PM
Thanks OP for the info. Message sent!

rooter
February 28, 2013, 11:48 PM
They did exactly what they should have when you threatened them. Kind of lets you know just how important you really are to them, doesn't it?

HorseSoldier
March 2, 2013, 04:57 PM
"...based on input from local police, our trade associations and our corporate counsel..."

Ask for quotes and/or names of who their "input" was from.

I'd also be interested in hearing what "local police" actually had to say on the matter. I field calls to my agency from businesses with concealed carry related questions concerning clients and employees from time to time and my first order of business in those conversations is to always stress that my department does not have a policy either for or against concealed carry. I then provide information/education on what state a local laws state and such, but my agency does not advocate against (or for) concealed carry in any location where it is legally allowed.

Rimfaxe
March 5, 2013, 10:12 AM
Here you go... I made reference to the Luby's Cafeteria massacre in Texas in 1991, a nice touch I thought.

Hello,

My name is ........, and I have been a big supporter of Skyline Chili my whole life.

I recently went to Skyline with my friends for a meal. As we walked in, we noticed a no firearms sign on the door. I am licensed to carry a concealed firearm, and had to return to my car and lock my gun away. Concealed Carry is a very important issue to me, and I believe that law abiding citizens should not be restricted. I am trained, had an FBI background check, and I'm licensed in the state to carry. A "No Gun" sign will not stop a criminal. It only restricts, and endangers the law abiding citizens.

I am old enough to remember the massacre at Luby's Cafeteria in 1991. You can look it up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre

On October 16, 1991, 35-year-old George "Jo Jo" Pierre Hennard, an unemployed merchant mariner or able seaman who was described by others as angry and withdrawn, with a dislike of women, drove his blue 1987 Ford Ranger pickup truck through the front window of a Luby's cafeteria at 1705 East Central Texas Expressway in Killeen. Yelling "This is what Bell County did to me!", Hennard then opened fire on its patrons and staff with a Glock 17 pistol and, later, a Ruger P89. He stalked, shot, and killed 23 people while wounding another 20 before committing suicide.

I will not eat a an establishment that restricts my 2nd Amendment Rights.

Skyline may be prudent to review your potential liability by placing such a sign in your window.

Thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you.

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