Colorado Lawmaker: Women Afraid Of Rape Can't Be Trusted With Guns


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vtail
February 19, 2013, 08:27 PM
Is the Colorado altitude making these Colorado lawmakers stupid?



http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/18/democratic-lawmaker-apologizes-for-suggesting-women-afraid-of-rape-cant-be-trusted-with-guns/



Democratic Colorado state Rep. Joe Salazar apologized Monday for suggesting some women are so unjustifiably afraid of being raped that they are liable to start shooting wildly.

Salazar, arguing in favor of disarming college students, said Friday on the Colorado House floor that women fearing rape may suddenly and haphazardly Ēpop a round at somebody.Ē

ďItís why we have call boxes; itís why we have safe zones; itís why we have the whistles ó because you just donít know who youíre gonna be shooting at. And you donít know if you feel like youíre gonna be raped, or if you feel like someoneís been following you around or if you feel like youíre in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop Ö pop a round at somebody,Ē Salazar said.

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jamesbeat
February 19, 2013, 08:31 PM
A call box and a whistle.

I have no words.

Nickel Plated
February 19, 2013, 08:33 PM
What's a safe zone? (Honest question)

Is that like an area where everyone becomes completely impotent and loses all sex drive?

jamesbeat
February 19, 2013, 08:42 PM
In my opinion, a 'safe zone' is a circular area with a diameter of about 25 yards surrounding a woman with a compact handgun and a determination not to be a victim.

The best part is that this type of 'safe zone' is completely portable.

jotjackson
February 19, 2013, 08:45 PM
My daughter was raped when she was 18. Been 12 years and I am not over it yet. He is an IDIOT!!!

Stress_Test
February 19, 2013, 08:49 PM
I just read this story over at MSN (I know, I know). The list of 10 suggestions to avoid rape is pathetic, sad, and laughable all at the same time.

People REALLY think this way??? How can you even fight against such colossal stupidity?!

coloradokevin
February 19, 2013, 08:50 PM
I'm making it my personal mission to get the word out on this story. This fool needs to lose his office in the next election.

Stress_Test
February 19, 2013, 08:56 PM
I'm making it my personal mission to get the word out on this story. This fool needs to lose his office in the next election.

Link to the story from MSN

http://news.msn.com/us/colleges-anti-rape-tactics-include-vomiting-urinating

If you're planning to pass this article around, I'd save a copy of it now because I bet it'll get taken down and buried before too much longer, now that armed-defense advocates are running with it.

Prepare to feel despair and loathing as you read the list of 10 ways the ruling class thinks a woman should defend herself against a rapist, rather than using a gun!

Ms_Dragon
February 19, 2013, 08:57 PM
This sort of crap make me furious and just sickens me to my core.

Carter
February 19, 2013, 08:58 PM
I'm sorry to hear that jotjackson. You have my prayers.

I watched him in the committee hearings over mag bans. His arrogance and stupidity is beyond words.

statelineblues
February 19, 2013, 09:00 PM
Itís why we have call boxes; itís why we have safe zones; itís why we have the whistles

I'm surprised he didn't suggest Hat Pins as well....

Stress_Test
February 19, 2013, 09:08 PM
By the way, a woman I know was giving me a hard time just the other day about being a gun owner. I ought to print the list of 10 suggestions and give it to her and say "if any guy tries to rape you, here are your options since you hate guns"

(When I say she hates guns, I mean she LITERALLY hates guns. Beyond all reason)

gym
February 19, 2013, 09:12 PM
They could always get those clickers I saw in the pet shop today for training dogs, what is wrong with these morons. The VP today suggested a 12 gauge side by side is all you would ever need, and he has instructed his wife to unload both barrels if she feels threatened, and he said she should go outside to do it, isn't that almost reckless. How would she know if she was being threatned if she heard a noise outside?

easy
February 19, 2013, 09:15 PM
Wait until it, unfortunately, happens to someone he cares about. His tune will change.

Stress_Test
February 19, 2013, 09:16 PM
I bet half a century ago, these fools would've been laughed out of the room for saying such things.

Today they have a loyal following!!

Lucifer_Sam
February 19, 2013, 09:17 PM
Heh. This is really about the only "women who are afraid of rape can't be trusted with.." statement that guy could have made and not provoke angrily sanctimonious 24/7 news coverage. Especially since all they have now is that stupid "blade runner" case

"Women who are afraid of rape can't be trusted with cars"

On a related note, having read the anti rape list, I did read that a woman picking her nose is supposed to prevent rape. No idea if its true or not.

jotjackson
February 19, 2013, 09:19 PM
Easy, you got that right. I work in public-safety, imagine the thoughts that go through my head everyday when I come in contact with one of these pricks! Sorry guys, very sensitive issue for me.

Flintknapper
February 19, 2013, 09:24 PM
People REALLY think this way??? How can you even fight against such colossal stupidity?!

Easy, give 'em a "Whistle" and then toss them in the worst prison you can find in your State.

Smart money....says they will have a new outlook on "rape" (and how best to defend against it) when they come back out.

Hint: It ain't a whistle. ;)

316SS
February 19, 2013, 09:29 PM
By the way, a woman I know was giving me a hard time just the other day about being a gun owner. I ought to print the list of 10 suggestions and give it to her and say "if any guy tries to rape you, here are your options since you hate guns"

(When I say she hates guns, I mean she LITERALLY hates guns. Beyond all reason)

I have no objection if your acquaintance chooses not to carry a gun due to her neurosis. Only she bears the responsibility for that decision. When we start talking about prohibiting carry by law in magical-thinking-zones (a.k.a. "safe zones"), that's a different issue. Sort of like when a woman chooses not to get an abortion versus her being prohibited by law from getting one.

Ms_Dragon
February 19, 2013, 09:30 PM
And it just can't be any sort or rape you know.

It has to a legitimate rape.

I wonder why these people hate women so much?

G'dale Mike
February 19, 2013, 09:36 PM
Isnt it interesting that a Dem makes an assinine statement about woman and rape and the silence from women's organizations and msm is deafening,,, compare to the mis statements made by the rep running last election cycle, forget his name, but said women have a biological defense mechanism that prevents them from being impregnated by rape. I believe he was running for US Senate.

Texan Scott
February 19, 2013, 09:36 PM
The Colorado NRA affiliate needs to buy a few thousand cheap pink plastic whistles and start handing them out to young women on college campuses and on the streets along with a pamphlet. It doesn't even need to be explicitly pro-gun... just quote him, and start a fury that will get him voted out.

"Excuse me, ma'am ... do you have a "safety whistle"?"

Stress_Test
February 19, 2013, 09:37 PM
I have no objection if your acquaintance chooses not to carry a gun due to her neurosis. Only she bears the responsibility for that decision. When we start talking about prohibiting carry by law in magical-thinking-zones (a.k.a. "safe zones"), that's a different issue. Sort of like when a woman chooses not to get an abortion versus her being prohibited by law from getting one.
Hah, yes, I didn't mention that, but yeah. She hates guns so she doesn't think I should have any either!

jerkface11
February 19, 2013, 09:39 PM
People REALLY think this way??? How can you even fight against such colossal stupidity?!

I think we're supposed to go outside with a shotgun and fire it into the air.

Ryanxia
February 19, 2013, 09:42 PM
FTA
ďItís why we have call boxes; itís why we have safe zones; itís why we have the whistles

The most sickening thing I've ever heard. Would be such a shame if he accidentally hung himself.

jotjackson
February 19, 2013, 09:50 PM
What if someone raped him, the criminal code has a different " element of the crime" definition but the end result is same. He has no clue how rape affects a woman. Sickening!!!!!!

Kim
February 19, 2013, 10:26 PM
If the MSM was non biased this would be on the cable channels every hour and a Democrat with an anti-woman agenda with demands for Obama and other Dems to apologize or kick men like him out of the party. Will not hear a peep.

Stress_Test
February 19, 2013, 10:38 PM
My university had problems with rapes in the campus area in the years I was attending. The solution was to add more of the emergency hot-line call stations around the campus. There were only a few of them sprinkled around, with hundreds of yards of dark, shadowy areas between them. I guess that's fine if you can convince the rapist to only attack you near a phone, then wait for the cops to show up.

This was also the same campus where a nut-job professor pulled a gun in a staff meeting and shot several people execution-style. I guess she didn't get the memo that it was a gun-free campus.

mrvco
February 19, 2013, 10:44 PM
Why would anyone want to talk on the phone while they're getting raped?

Stress_Test
February 19, 2013, 10:46 PM
Why would anyone want to talk on the phone while they're getting raped?
Didn't you know? When you call 911, the bad guy has to stop whatever he's doing and wait for the cops to show up! ;)

MachIVshooter
February 19, 2013, 10:46 PM
Salazar is......um.........special. Seriously, after hearing him at the committee hearings, I really do think he's a little below certain chart lines. Useful idiot, basically; a good sacrificial lamb.

Watching these people in action, I think the theory mentioned in another thread about cosmic intelligence rays and gold being impervious to them may have some merit.

jamesbeat
February 19, 2013, 10:50 PM
I guess the phone things are intended as a deterrent rather than an actual means to prevent/halt an attack.
Deterrents are all well and good, but I think that a better one would be posters reminding potential rapists that concealed carry was permitted and encouraged on campus.

Isaac-1
February 19, 2013, 10:55 PM
Easy, give 'em a "Whistle" and then toss them in the worst prison you can find in your State.

Smart money....says they will have a new outlook on "rape" (and how best to defend against it) when they come back out.

Hint: It ain't a whistle. ;)
I live in Louisiana, I would say give them half a sporting chance, like maybe that double barrel 12 GA then let them loose in Angola.

Fryerpower
February 19, 2013, 10:57 PM
My university had problems with rapes in the campus area in the years I was attending. The solution was to add more of the emergency hot-line call stations around the campus. There were only a few of them sprinkled around, with hundreds of yards of dark, shadowy areas between them. I guess that's fine if you can convince the rapist to only attack you near a phone, then wait for the cops to show up.

This was also the same campus where a nut-job professor pulled a gun in a staff meeting and shot several people execution-style. I guess she didn't get the memo that it was a gun-free campus.


University of Alabama - Huntsville?

Jim

barnbwt
February 19, 2013, 11:01 PM
I wonder why they didn't include "avoid dressing provocatively or interacting with men" on their list? Concealing their desirable features? Avoiding social exposure without a male guardian present at all times? I've not heard a much more patronizing statement from a "respectable" politician since that idiot and his "legitimate rape" quip back during the election (actually, this current one is far worse). Anyone think this will get 3+ months of daily mention, as well?

What gives? I thought rape-prevention classes are adamant about the need to fight back with all means available. Where are these folks shouting from Women's groups about the need for gun access? The very people who demanded the call boxes, safe zones, whistles, etc..? Nearly all women I know are in favor of guns for self-defense (granted I'm in Texas).

BTW, that link is really slow (I wonder why..? :D). I love the groan audible in the background; a collective "oh man, did he just say that?" You can tell he figured out he messed up big toward the end of his statement. Well, he apologized, so "move along, nothing to see here." I'm sure that'd go over just great with any republican pol. Such chauvinism in our egalitarian, enlightened leaders...

TCB

*we really need a "shakes head" smiley ;)

When you call 911, the bad guy has to stop whatever he's doing and wait for the cops to show up!
Oh yeah, I forgot it worked that way. We should really work on getting 911 deployed to Afghanistan, in that case ;)

JohnnyK
February 19, 2013, 11:05 PM
so why exactly do politicians have bodyguards???? we are wasting so much money as taxpayers... they should just have safety whistles!!!! see how that works...

sidheshooter
February 19, 2013, 11:14 PM
In my opinion, a 'safe zone' is a circular area with a diameter of about 25 yards surrounding a woman with a compact handgun and a determination not to be a victim.

The best part is that this type of 'safe zone' is completely portable.
:cool:

By the way, I'm all in favor of copious "vomiting and urinating" happening during successful rape defenses; that's exactly the reaction we want from a felon surprised by the business end view of a charter arms bulldog with 200-gr. Gold Dots gaping out from within the cylinder's chambers.

JMO.

Ehtereon11B
February 19, 2013, 11:35 PM
I guess the saying holds true. Gun control is the idea where being raped is morally superior to self defense.

A freshman Colorado lawmaker apologized Monday for suggesting during debate on gun control that a woman concerned about being raped should not be trusted with a gun -- but should instead use a whistle or call box.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/19/colorado-lawmaker-issues-apology-rape-comment/#ixzz2LMjhEuQ7


MODS: I looked to see if someone else posted this story but didn't immediately see it. If so feel free to lock :D

EDIT*topic being discussed already. My bad. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=704148

Ehtereon11B
February 19, 2013, 11:40 PM
My favorite thing about these "slips of the tongue" are the apologies that follow. "Oh I didn't mean that" or ""My words were taken out of context."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/19/colorado-lawmaker-issues-apology-rape-comment/#ixzz2LMjhEuQ7

"I'm sorry if I offended anyone. That was absolutely not my intention," Salazar said in a statement to FOX31 in Denver. "We were having a public policy debate on whether or not guns makes people safer on campus. I don't believe they do. That was the point I was trying to make. If anyone thinks I'm not sensitive to the dangers women face, they're wrong."

Antis show their true colors.

mokin
February 19, 2013, 11:42 PM
I sort of wondered what happened to Jimeny Cricket.

Sorry, I've been writting my senators all evening and am getting punchy.

Ms_Dragon
February 19, 2013, 11:53 PM
Sensitive?

I've seen abattoir workers on the kill room floor show more sensitivity than that man!

JERRY
February 20, 2013, 12:04 AM
yeah, colorado's state senate and state house of reps are controlled by the democrats and they are gift rapping an anti gun rights package for the democrat governor to sign.

Texan Scott
February 20, 2013, 12:10 AM
Mokin: "give a little whistle".... I am also a little punchy, which might be why I actually giggled out loud at that. :p

Of course politicians trying to backpeddle should also remember that a lie grows and grows until it's as plain as the nose on your face.

WinchesterAA
February 20, 2013, 01:15 AM
or... do other things (http://www.ibtimes.com/colorado-college-advises-vomiting-or-urinating-stop-rapists-after-lawmakers-pass-gun-control-bills), like puke on the attacker...

radar1972
February 20, 2013, 01:22 AM
What planet are these idgits from?

Fishslayer
February 20, 2013, 01:49 AM
They still have call boxes?:confused:

Hopefully an attacker will have the good manners to attempt the attack near one of these boxes and will be patient while his victim uses the phone.:banghead:

Maybe they could make rape illegal more than a certain distance away from these phones...

RetiredUSNChief
February 20, 2013, 01:51 AM
ďItís why we have call boxes; itís why we have safe zones; itís why we have the whistles ó because you just donít know who youíre gonna be shooting at. And you donít know if you feel like youíre gonna be raped, or if you feel like someoneís been following you around or if you feel like youíre in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop Ö pop a round at somebody,Ē Salazar said.

It is the sole responsibility of of the person being victimized during a violent crime (or the witness(es) of any violent crime) to decide what measure of self-defense is required to save themselves from serious bodily injury or death.

This includes any combination of passive or aggressive defensive measures, up to and including deadly force by any means necessary.


It is NOT the purview of someone not at the scene to unilaterally make that decision for the victim(s).


Telling women that they cannot use a gun against an attacker who may outweigh and out muscle them by a considerable margin is tantamount to telling them that they must submit to the will of their attacker.


So much for being "a husband and father of two beautiful girls" and spending "the last decade defending womenís rights as a civil rights attorney".

Justin
February 20, 2013, 01:58 AM
The Denver Post is currently running an internet poll on this, and we're losing.

http://www.denverpost.com/

You may have to scroll down a bit, and the poll is on the right side of the page. There's a picture of Salazar (bald, glasses, trying really hard to grow a goatee) near it.

MachIVshooter
February 20, 2013, 02:32 AM
yeah, colorado's state senate and state house of reps are controlled by the democrats and they are gift rapping an anti gun rights package for the democrat governor to sign.

In my opinion, they're gift wrapping the legislature and governor's mansion for the GOP.

Could be wrong, but I think all of this was a gross overstep.

somerandomguy
February 20, 2013, 02:45 AM
WHAT??? Where is the outcry? This is worse than Todd Akin's comments. Freaking ridiculous.

Kiln
February 20, 2013, 03:34 AM
What's a safe zone? (Honest question)

Is that like an area where everyone becomes completely impotent and loses all sex drive?
Semi naked men over 400lbs line the perimeter to destroy all potential sex drive of heterosexual rapists.

HorseSoldier
February 20, 2013, 04:21 AM
So the meta-narrative of what he is saying seems to be that guns are sufficiently scary to the ruling class in Colorado (or at least this moral imbecile) these days that a certain number of rapes are perfectly acceptable collateral damage in the name of disarming the populace. The obvious upshot is that the issue is not public safety, it is power and control.

Solo
February 20, 2013, 04:26 AM
One thing it would be useful to keep in mind about rape on college campus is that a lot of time it is done by someone the victim knows, whether a boyfriend, friend or a casual acquaintance. I'm not saying students should not be allowed to carry, but a gun does little good if someone slips a roofie into a student's drink at a party, or gets them inebriated to the point where they cannot resist.

Then again, neither do whistles, safe zones, and call boxes.

To really address the issue of sexual violence on campus, we would need to have an open and frank discussion about what drives it and how to prevent it, but that would involve universities admitting the problem comes from their own student body (can you say bad for recruitment?) and taking the time and effort to find a meaningful solution. One that would have to involve changing how men view women, for starters.

Of course, it's easier to ban guns and tell students to wet themselves.

Dr.Rob
February 20, 2013, 05:14 AM
This guy won't even get a slap on the wrist from his own party. Little chance it will make news outside Colorado.

The double standard is a fine banner to march under.

Gaiudo
February 20, 2013, 07:21 AM
Emails sent to the CNN, FoxNews, WSJ and The Guardian newsrooms. Remember, these are all market-driven companies: if there is a demand, they'll follow it. Consider giving them a push in the right direction.

dickz
February 20, 2013, 07:25 AM
I thought it was a bit strange that the picture with the artical was an AR. Those darn women shouldn't be allowed to carry anymore then 10/22's for rape defense.

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 08:09 AM
My wife feels safer already.

radiotom
February 20, 2013, 08:13 AM
Wow those poll results are eye-opening. :uhoh:

jamesbeat
February 20, 2013, 08:47 AM
or... do other things (http://www.ibtimes.com/colorado-college-advises-vomiting-or-urinating-stop-rapists-after-lawmakers-pass-gun-control-bills), like puke on the attacker...
Why should a woman have to do something humiliating to stop a guy from raping her?
Who comes up with this crap?
That's a list of things to try if your gun malfunctions...

Jim, West PA
February 20, 2013, 08:49 AM
Wouldn't a gal be much safer if she just said...i'm not in the mood , or....i've got a headache. :rolleyes:

rdhood
February 20, 2013, 09:06 AM
The pro-gun side should really push this... about how the anti (mostly Democrat) push is a "war on women" by taking away their right to self protection.

Shanghai McCoy
February 20, 2013, 09:14 AM
When seconds count the police will just be minutes away.
Good luck Kalirado... you people are going to need it.

blue32
February 20, 2013, 09:22 AM
I remember going to this domestic a few years ago. The dispatcher was relaying how the call taker could hear the woman yelling "get off me" over and over again. Ok, maybe the call box isn't enough but I bet if she had a whistle or maybe if her bedroom was a designated safe zone that attack wouldn't have happened.

The most adrenaline induced profane language doesn't begin to describe how I feel about that man's comments. I've seen enough beat up women who couldn't run fast enough, dial fast enough, wait long enough.

Queen_of_Thunder
February 20, 2013, 09:25 AM
Aaarrggghhh. Ron White was dead on when he said "You can't fix STUPID". The "stupid" is strong in that grasshopper for sure.


BTW one of my LGS's is now carrying purses. Shopping for guns and purses at the same time is awesome.

SoCalNoMore
February 20, 2013, 09:32 AM
FTA


The most sickening thing I've ever heard. Would "NOT" be such a shame if he accidentally hung himself.
Corrected this

Tcruse
February 20, 2013, 09:32 AM
Wow those poll results are eye-opening. :uhoh:
Not sure how to even communicate with individuals that are ok with his remarks.

SoCalNoMore
February 20, 2013, 09:35 AM
If this is what he thinks are acceptable measure to deter rape, I would like to invite him to have an overnight stay in the Fed with a few wisely chosen cell mates. Lets see if after his unsolicited encounter with "bubba" is deterred by his little whistle.

SoCalNoMore
February 20, 2013, 09:37 AM
One thing it would be useful to keep in mind about rape on college campus is that a lot of time it is done by someone the victim knows, whether a boyfriend, friend or a casual acquaintance. I'm not saying students should not be allowed to carry, but a gun does little good if someone slips a roofie into a student's drink at a party, or gets them inebriated to the point where they cannot resist.

Then again, neither do whistles, safe zones, and call boxes.

To really address the issue of sexual violence on campus, we would need to have an open and frank discussion about what drives it and how to prevent it, but that would involve universities admitting the problem comes from their own student body (can you say bad for recruitment?) and taking the time and effort to find a meaningful solution. One that would have to involve changing how men view women, for starters.

Of course, it's easier to ban guns and tell students to wet themselves.
How about we use the same fix that will help much of the issues in our country. Teach respect and civility and reduce the entitlement mentality that is being forced upon our society.

SoCalNoMore
February 20, 2013, 09:38 AM
Why should a woman have to do something humiliating to stop a guy from raping her?
Who comes up with this crap?
That's a list of things to try if your gun malfunctions...
If this guy is married to a woman, I would like her response to this list.

Old Fuff
February 20, 2013, 09:41 AM
Joe, his boss and his party all believe that the media, and the general public will swallow anything they say Ė without question or thought.

Sometimes I think they might be right. :barf:

Trent
February 20, 2013, 09:42 AM
My thoughts:

{violation of TOS}{violation of TOS}{violation of TOS}

;)

(This message was posted with a great deal of humor, mods.)

gunsandreligion
February 20, 2013, 09:46 AM
You think government is going to teach armed resistance? Thats called being able to fend for yourself. Not what the government wants at all.

BearGriz
February 20, 2013, 09:57 AM
I voted, we're almost 50/50, but we're still behind.

There was a related article on the front page defending him and calling his attackers "oafish."

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22624957/rape-comment-by-rep-joe-salazar-reaps-viral

The main argument in this rebuttal article is that we (gun rights activists) are erroneously tying Salazar to the vomit/urinate memo.

Both that article and the wording of the poll itself were worded in such biased ways that it makes me want to vomit.

Coop45
February 20, 2013, 10:17 AM
What a guy!

Taurus 617 CCW
February 20, 2013, 10:22 AM
Itís why we have call boxes; itís why...

Blah, blah, blah. I get the feeling that this guy has never had to use any of those methods personally. Perhaps we should send a 1200 pound gorilla after him who hasn't seen a woman in half a decade. Let's see how well his call boxes and whistles help him. :D

It's hard to use a call box or whistle when you are either pinned to the ground or getting your face bashed in but I guess this putz never considered that angle. Argh! You can regulate safety but not logic.

jamesbeat
February 20, 2013, 11:16 AM
And none of those methods would work against an armed attacker, more likely get the victim stabbed. Armed defense is the only answer.

HorseSoldier
February 20, 2013, 11:16 AM
The most adrenaline induced profane language doesn't begin to describe how I feel about that man's comments. I've seen enough beat up women who couldn't run fast enough, dial fast enough, wait long enough.

This.

That clowns lack of empathy and comprehension is so extreme that I honestly can't think of any appropriate course of action than him either stepping down from his elected office or being hounded out of it.

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