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UKWildcatFan
February 19, 2013, 09:33 PM
I like the Mossbergs. Budget? Oh, $500-600. Likes and dislikes of them?

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rcmodel
February 19, 2013, 09:37 PM
Your best gun for the money is to buy an old used Remington 870 Wingmaster hunting gun for $200, chop the barrel to 20", and spend the other$300- $400 you saved on practice ammo & range time.

It's not the arrow, it's the indian shooting it you really need to worry about.

rc

Isaac-1
February 19, 2013, 09:49 PM
This is one of those Ford vs Chevy type debates, I think most people would agree you can't go too wrong with either a mossberg 500 / 590 or a Remington 870 Express or Wingmaster just beware a lot of the tacticoool stuff is just that. Mossberg has recently (in the last couple of years) introduced several of these tacticoolized HD shotguns, just beaware if you buy into them that part of what your buying is the image, the question you should ask yourself is if you ever have to use it, do you want to find yourself in a court room with a DA holding the gun up as evidence, particularly if it includes wording about "zoombie slayer, etc. in large print on the side) Key features tend to be relatively short 18.5 to 21 inch barrel, an extended capacity magazine and maybe a good quality slide mounted weapons light.

dbb1776
February 19, 2013, 09:52 PM
Actually you better have a good arrow! Remmy 870 used less than 300 all day long.

ID-shooting
February 19, 2013, 09:54 PM
All you need is a double barrel and two shells :evil:

According to Biden anyway :banghead:

Epee
February 19, 2013, 09:54 PM
Ithaca Defender.

returningfire
February 19, 2013, 09:55 PM
Ain't nothing wrong with a Mossberg, carried one for a lot of miles in the jungle.

Bobson
February 19, 2013, 10:09 PM
Your best gun for the money is to buy an old used Remington 870 Wingmaster hunting gun for $200, chop the barrel to 20", and spend the other$300- $400 you saved on practice ammo & range time.

It's not the arrow, it's the indian shooting it you really need to worry about.

rc
Great advice. I'd look for one from the late 80s through late 90s. If you can't find one for some reason, next recommendation would be a Mossberg 590/A1.

Do not think the NIB Remington 870 Express is equal quality to a Wingmaster from the 80s and 90s. They aren't even in the same league. Pee-wee versus Majors, no joke.

UKWildcatFan
February 19, 2013, 10:14 PM
This is one of those Ford vs Chevy type debates, I think most people would agree you can't go too wrong with either a mossberg 500 / 590 or a Remington 870 Express or Wingmaster just beware a lot of the tacticoool stuff is just that. Mossberg has recently (in the last couple of years) introduced several of these tacticoolized HD shotguns, just beaware if you buy into them that part of what your buying is the image, the question you should ask yourself is if you ever have to use it, do you want to find yourself in a court room with a DA holding the gun up as evidence, particularly if it includes wording about "zoombie slayer, etc. in large print on the side) Key features tend to be relatively short 18.5 to 21 inch barrel, an extended capacity magazine and maybe a good quality slide mounted weapons light.
Great post.

LeonCarr
February 19, 2013, 10:35 PM
1st - Used 870 Wingmaster or Police
2nd - Used 870 Express HD

Put on a quality weaponlight and 18-18.5 inch barrel, then shoot it until it is part of you.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

WJR
February 19, 2013, 11:19 PM
590A1, is my choice.

WJR

Fiv3r
February 19, 2013, 11:30 PM
Lotta good pump guns for that price. I preferred the 870 Police until I got my hands on an old Ithaca 37 DSPS. I love that old warhorse.

All you need is a gun that fits your build, feeds well, and goes bang every time. All the black paint and plastic in the world is going to make a bigger hole in a bad guy.

browningguy
February 19, 2013, 11:30 PM
I still have my old Mossberg 500, 18 1/2 barrel, extended mag tube, fiber optic front bead and all. But it's just for show now.

The gun next to the bed at night is a Benelli M2, although I would take a Mossberg 930 HD model just as quickly. Modern semis are extremely reliable now and as I age (somewhat ungracefully) I find I am much faster with a semi than a pump.

miles1
February 19, 2013, 11:31 PM
For $600 limit I would definetly go with a 590A1 as well.

Black Knight
February 20, 2013, 12:32 AM
Do you want a new gun or used one? If you want a new gun I would go with a Mossberg 590A1. If you don't mind a used gun either the Mossberg 590A1 or Remington 870P would work. Another possibility is a used 870 Wingmaster and sell the barrel for an 18 or 20 inch barrel. Of course with the Wingmaster you could keep the barrel and buy a seperate barrel for HD. That way if you decide to use it for something other than HD you would be good to go. Sometimes 2 barrels are better than 1.

PabloJ
February 20, 2013, 08:55 AM
I like the Mossbergs. Budget? Oh, $500-600. Likes and dislikes of them?
Try to find BPS with long one piece magazine tube and 20" barrel. I looked over one at local Gander Mountain and the thing had SUPER smooth pump stroke. It must have been the finish they used on that model. The price was just under $500 if I recall correctly. I looked long and hard but don't seem to be able to find another one to buy.

Sav .250
February 20, 2013, 09:10 AM
Gun Shows have all kinds for ...HD. Get to look,feel and batter for one. Can`t beat that.

1goodshot
February 20, 2013, 09:40 AM
I just got a Mossberg 930 spx for $700, alway wanted an auto. Im going to pick up a 590 next. You cant go wrong with an 870 either, just get the one that feels right. Im a lefty so the saftey is better on the Mossbergs for me.

rodinal220
February 20, 2013, 09:40 AM
A good used Mossberg 500 series or a Remington 870 Wingmaster.Both are proven guns and have a lot of industry support.500-600 can buy a couple of guns and a few boxes of shells/accessories.

unlimited4x4
February 20, 2013, 01:10 PM
I've been following this thread and like the advice on a older 870 and cut down the barrel. What's the proper way to cut the barrel down? Can I just replace the barrel with a 18 to 20 aftermarket barrel? If I found a barrel for the right price.

ront
February 20, 2013, 01:41 PM
I recently picked up a new Mossberg 590A1 in your price range and I love it!!!!

Ron

sleepyone
February 20, 2013, 02:09 PM
I like the Mossbergs. Budget? Oh, $500-600. Likes and dislikes of them?

I bought a Mossberg 500 Persuader with 20" barrel and 7+1 capacity I believe for $334.00 a few months back. It will do everything you need for HD. Use the extra money for ammo to practice and have fun. It's a great gun. you don't need parkerized barrels, heatshields, fancy sights extra, etc. for HD IMHO.

Texan Scott
February 20, 2013, 04:02 PM
New? Mossberg's Maverick 88, and save your money for range time & patterning ammo.

MikePaiN
February 20, 2013, 04:36 PM
This Remington 870 Express synthetic 7-shot, popped up locally and I jumped on it. Its LNIB, I was able to get it for $325 including the side-saddle and a bunch of 00 buck. All it really needs is a light and sling for HD use.

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458/n8jbrown/private/644b256f-f874-451f-a103-447733a57771_zps37312bcd.jpg

12Bravo20
February 20, 2013, 04:41 PM
Mossberg vs Remington = Ford vs Chevy, they all do the job they are intended to do.

You won't go wrong with either a Mossberg or Remington, new or used. They are both good shotguns. I own a couple of Mossberg 500s and a Norinco 98 (knockoff of Rem 870 police). I prefer the Mossberg shotguns because of location of the safety since I shoot left handed most of the time. I haven't had any problems out of any of my pump shotguns and wouldn't hesitate to grab either the Mossberg or Norinco for HD, I wouldn't hesitate to grab a Remington 870 either. I would not pass up a Winchester or Ithaca pump either.

bubba in ca
February 20, 2013, 05:10 PM
Fondle the 500s, 88s, and 870s to see which one is set up well for you. I shoot left handed so the 500s and 88s are my only choice do to the location of the action release.

If I were buying now, I'd go for a vent rib mossy or maverick and whack the barrel down to 18+ inches, add a hiviz sight for 10-15 bucks and an elastic butt for 6 bucks and call it a day. Think of what you can do with the other $200-300!

You might want to look at a youth model (1'' shorter stock) to see how it fits. Nothing wrong with 20 gauges, either.

Isaac-1
February 20, 2013, 06:35 PM
I've been following this thread and like the advice on a older 870 and cut down the barrel. What's the proper way to cut the barrel down? Can I just replace the barrel with a 18 to 20 aftermarket barrel? If I found a barrel for the right price.
You can get a 18-20 inch slug or HD barrel, the price often makes it cheaper to just cut down the barrel you have if you don't want to keep the longer barrel for sporting purposes. These days a typical good condition used 18-20 inch barrel for a 12 GA 870 is selling in the $125-$150 range and new ones often go for upwards of $200. By contrast you can often get a good gunsmith to cut down a barrel for $50-$75, perhaps less which includes moving the front bead, polishing the cut and cold blueing , and of course you can do it yourself, but if you do don't cut it too short a tiny fraction of an inch is the difference between legal and a long term stay in federal prison, this is why most commercial barrels are .5 inch over the minimum..

Teachu2
February 20, 2013, 06:46 PM
Mossberg 500 combo. 28" VR modified, 18.5" plain home security barrels. $300-400 at Big 5, or $333 at Bud's.

Uniquedot
February 20, 2013, 06:56 PM
These days a typical good condition used 18-20 inch barrel for a 12 GA 870 is selling in the $125-$150 range and new ones often go for upwards of $200

18.5" 870 barrels are just barely over $100 new...even the 18.5" blued barrels for the wingmaster are less than $150.00 new. There is also an 18.5" Remington express barrel that is threaded for remchokes and it was around $157 the last time I looked at them while the Turkish import version of the barrel was chrome lined and a few bucks cheaper.

TAKtical
February 20, 2013, 07:46 PM
Benelli nova or supernova. Tactical models have ghost ring sights. All under $500

stan rose
February 20, 2013, 07:56 PM
Ithaca 37 defender made in Ohio. Great guns and in your price range.

ObsceneJesster
February 20, 2013, 11:40 PM
If you have a $600 limit then I would go one of two ways. Either a used 870 Police Magnum or a new or used 590A1. New wise, the 590A1 is hard to beat in terms of build quality. You're getting heavy walled barrel, metal trigger guard and a fully parkerized firearm that you don't have to worry about rusting as easy as some of the other shotguns out there which I won't name.

OptimusPrime
February 20, 2013, 11:50 PM
You can't go wrong with any of these choices. See which fits you best.
And since you mentioned it, yes a Mossberg would be great, I have never had a failure of any type with mine.

bullitt5532
February 21, 2013, 12:13 AM
Ithaca Model 37 Defense

Centurian22
February 21, 2013, 12:38 AM
I'll put two votes in: any Ithaca with a barrel 18-20" will serve well. I have a 1974 Ithaca Deerslayer (19") that is my "bump in the night gun". Also a new Mosberg maverick 88 goes for $199 (at least locally to me) and takes mossberg 500 barrels as long as the tube is right (5+1 I think). As said before $300-400 buys a couple of accessories and a whole lot of practice ammo which (as long as the gun fits you properly) is WAY More important than any feature, brand, bell or whistle. Good luck.

RmB
February 21, 2013, 12:43 AM
You can get a brand new 870 with a 7-round tube for a retail (on their website) of $428...

Isaac-1
February 21, 2013, 03:50 AM
18.5" 870 barrels are just barely over $100 new...even the 18.5" blued barrels for the wingmaster are less than $150.00 new. There is also an 18.5" Remington express barrel that is threaded for remchokes and it was around $157 the last time I looked at them while the Turkish import version of the barrel was chrome lined and a few bucks cheaper.
Please point out one place online that has them in stock at those prices

p.s. I just checked GB and the lowest buy it now price 18-20 inch 12GA 870 barrel I spotted was about $145 plus shipping for a nearly new take off with some scuff marks, or about $165+$10 shipping for the cheapest new. So the price may have fallen some since I last looked a week or two ago, but is still well above $100.

PabloJ
February 21, 2013, 10:42 AM
The worst Ithaca 37/87 is better then best Mossberg.

Uniquedot
February 21, 2013, 11:47 AM
Please point out one place online that has them in stock at those prices

Direct from Remington. Call customer service as they don't list them on their website. They are cheaper direct from Remington than they are from midway.

Uniquedot
February 21, 2013, 07:25 PM
Budget? Oh, $500-600.

I picked up both of these about 15 years ago at a pawn shop for $600.00 OTD. I've since ran across wingmasters for $250 quite often.

UKWildcatFan
February 21, 2013, 09:21 PM
Great info, guys I appreciate it.

ACP
February 21, 2013, 09:28 PM
Mossberg 590A1. I prefer the 18.5" barrel with ghost ring sights. It's accurate and unbreakable.

Levan9X19
February 22, 2013, 03:23 PM
as a long term shotgun user I will suggest to go with mossberg. 590a1 for me is a best all-around universal shotgun.

people around me had various shotguns, turkish made, winchesters, fabarms they all are now totally addicted to mossbergs. These are fantastic guns for its price and they have superb ergonomics. I like the location of safety and open loading port. so easy to control the safety and load the tube.

all mossbergs are very accurate and 100% reliable.

Rem870? I guess only 870 worth to buy is a police magnum. express models (forgive me my american colleagues) today are total junk. we received a huge stock of 870 models. I personally bought tactical express. well in 10 years combined I didnt have so many problems and stoppages as I got in one month with 870. Many others also jumped on them like: hey an american legend, best shotgun on the world! now few of them sell them for half price trying to get rid of them because they simply dont work!

few years ago I got an express model, early issue and it was not something special but it worked at least.

So go ahead with the Mossberg. Best utility shotgun out there.

Sheepdog1968
February 22, 2013, 06:12 PM
This is one of those Ford vs Chevy type debates, I think most people would agree you can't go too wrong with either a mossberg 500 / 590 or a Remington 870 Express or Wingmaster just beware a lot of the tacticoool stuff is just that. Mossberg has recently (in the last couple of years) introduced several of these tacticoolized HD shotguns, just beaware if you buy into them that part of what your buying is the image, the question you should ask yourself is if you ever have to use it, do you want to find yourself in a court room with a DA holding the gun up as evidence, particularly if it includes wording about "zoombie slayer, etc. in large print on the side) Key features tend to be relatively short 18.5 to 21 inch barrel, an extended capacity magazine and maybe a good quality slide mounted weapons light.
Follow this and you can't go wrong. The best thing you can do after (or maybe before) is to take a good shotgun class or two. Most people own the weapon, go to the range a few times, and then figure they are good to go. That might work but you are much better off taking a few formal classes.

Sgt_R
February 22, 2013, 06:33 PM
My next shotgun will be an 18" 590A1 with bead sight and speedfeed stock.

The only downside to the Mossberg: installing a pistol grip interferes with manipulation of the action release. Doesn't bother me, as I prefer the ergonomics of a traditional stock, but there it is.

R

ObsceneJesster
February 22, 2013, 11:56 PM
My next shotgun will be an 18" 590A1 with bead sight and speedfeed stock.

The only downside to the Mossberg: installing a pistol grip interferes with manipulation of the action release. Doesn't bother me, as I prefer the ergonomics of a traditional stock, but there it is.

R

I have a pistol grip on my 590A1 just because that's what I train with and what I'm used too. My target acquisition is just quicker using one. I find that the safety is harder to manipulate rather than the action release. I can manipulation the action release with the top of my thumb without the need to change my grip. It's really a moot point though since the action release isn't needed in a normal self defense situation. When it comes to the safety there are a couple oversized safety's that make it easier to manipulate using a pistol grip. Then again, the second I need to remove my shotgun from its safe under my bed, the gun is going hot. It won't return into safe mode until I'm 100% sure the threat is mitigated. At that point, it doesn't really matter that my hand needs to be manipulated to return the firearm into safe.

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jim243
February 23, 2013, 01:38 AM
Chevy vs Ford, doesn't anyone drive anything else like a Dodge maybe?

While I dive a Chevy, I don't want to shot it, maybe at it sometimes.

But there are other choices besides Remington and Mossberg.

No it's not a Benilli it's a Weatherby PA-459 and under $500.00

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/bigjim_02/SAM_0827.jpg

Jim

doctorxring
February 23, 2013, 01:59 AM
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I really like this shotgun. It's a hell of a lot of gun for around $300.

Check one out. It's a clone of an Ithaca M37, except it's all steel.
Very nice adjustable ghost ring back and a shielded fiber optic front.
Very smooth operating. It's a perfect fit for me. 5+1.

I put a Streamlight TLR-2 on mine and this is a now a get it gone gun,
day or night.




http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/doctorxring/TLR2Shotgun1_zps8776344b.jpg


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PabloJ
February 23, 2013, 03:17 AM
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I really like this shotgun. It's a hell of a lot of gun for around $300.

Check one out. It's a clone of an Ithaca M37, except it's all steel.
Very nice adjustable ghost ring back and a shielded fiber optic front.
Very smooth operating. It's a perfect fit for me. 5+1.

I put a Streamlight TLR-2 on mine and this is a now a get it gone gun,
day or night.




http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/doctorxring/TLR2Shotgun1_zps8776344b.jpg


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With the exception of alloy framed 'Ultrafeatherlight//Ultralite' models Ithaca 37/87s were (are) all steel construction with exception of sight and follower plus magazine plug on newer guns. I would take that Chinese-made Ithaca clone over Mossberg. They also make 870 clone with ghost sights and both models can be had for about $250 each.

Shifty
February 23, 2013, 04:01 AM
My 20 inch, 8 shot 500 with a light, heatshield, ghost ring sights, side saddle shell holder and collapsable stock is long, heavy and awkward. To do it over again i would get an 18.5 inch model, +1 mag extension, mounted light, pistol grip with a bead sight and side saddle.... And that's it. This would be for in house only type social work. 20 ft or less. Like aiming at a barricaded door while crouching behind a bed.

I'm not a fan of pistol grip shotguns, but for that kinda distance and limited role, I make an exception. My opinion only.

Isaac-1
February 23, 2013, 05:04 AM
Hey, I am the one that made the Ford vs Chevy comment, and I drive a Dodge (Challenger SRT8)

Levan9X19
February 23, 2013, 06:18 AM
Chevy vs Ford, doesn't anyone drive anything else like a Dodge maybe?

While I dive a Chevy, I don't want to shot it, maybe at it sometimes.

But there are other choices besides Remington and Mossberg.

No it's not a Benilli it's a Weatherby PA-459 and under $500.00

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/bigjim_02/SAM_0827.jpg

Jim
jim your wetherby is made in turkey. I will hesitate to buy shotguns from turkey. We are neighbors with Turkey and got plenty of turkish made shotguns here. They look nice but they are not heavy duty and quality runs from acceptable to total junk. I mean some models are working some are like cool looking toy guns.

ridgerunner1965
February 23, 2013, 08:05 PM
a couple guns you dont hear a lot about but i think are as good as the mossys or the rems. are the smith and wesson model 916 riot and the benelli nova riot.the smith is a plain jane shotty with extended mag and 19 in barrel, slick blued, all steel and walnut,.rifle sights.hard to find the smith but well worth it when you do.

the nova is a sweet riot gun with black stocks, 18 in barrel and ghost ring sites.handles well and shoots well and is a quality item for the price.standard mag but i think they are making extensions now for them.i wish i had mine back.the smith ill never sell.

dathul
February 23, 2013, 10:34 PM
$299 at BiMart with an extra barrel for hunting. Can't beat the price. Gotta get a strap and light and I'm set. When I win the lottery I'll get a Beretta automatic...to go with my set of Italian toys: Vespa 250, Moto Guzzi California Special Sport, Beretta PX4 Compact 9 mm...

Deer_Freak
February 23, 2013, 10:49 PM
I have a Maverick 88 with the extended magazine tube. I can get 9 shots in the Maverick. It handles well and shoots good. I shoot skeet with it to fit accessories. Yes, my score does drop. The cylinder choke just won't reach the passing shots. With buckshot it holds a pattern as good as any shotgun bar none. The MSRP on the Maverick 88 with the extended magazine is $230. You can not buy one at Walmart. Walmart only stocks the regular 6 shot Maverick 88. Buds Gun Shop or a local gun shop will be your best bets.

WolfPak
February 24, 2013, 04:31 PM
I really enjoy my Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights and an ATI Akita stock.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/25/5erejupa.jpg

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Tony_the_tiger
February 24, 2013, 05:16 PM
Remington 870 Express 6+1: $400

870 P Wood Furniture Upgrade: $75

Four Sevens Maelstrom MM-X Light: $119

Light Mount from Brownells (http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/flashlights-accessories/flashlight-mounts/tactical-shotgun-mount-prod1537.aspx): $34

100 Rounds of Birdshot: $30

100 Rounds of Buckshot: $90

Estimated: $748

Value of Drill Practice: Priceless

WolfPak
February 24, 2013, 06:30 PM
Tony the tiger is right take a class and practice, practice, practice. Walk the exact path in the dark you would take in the house should a home invasion occur. Buy practice rounds and practice reloading drills and possibly slug changeovers.

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Uniquedot
February 24, 2013, 10:36 PM
You really need to handle any gun before making a decision based on what someone else bought. Just because a certain gun has a certain amount of LOP or drop etc. does not mean the gun will be comfortable for you. For instance these two guns have the same LOP, but the mossberg has a longer aluminum frame and a shorter stock which puts my nose too close to my hand for a comfortable feel on the wing...this is the standard adult stock.

reckless carolinian
February 26, 2013, 12:55 AM
Allow me to dispense some free advice, which is worth every penny you'll pay for it.
Pawn Shops. Look around in a large pawn shop, you'll usually find a nice variety of used, name brand guns. Look at the 870, the 500, don't overlook a Winchester 1300, look seriously at any Ithaca 37 you find, you probably won't be over 200 out the doors.

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