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JohnnyK
February 19, 2013, 11:08 PM
I know they are so popular... it's very interesting to see their ads on this site when they have such a good reputation amongst us.... excuse me while I :barf:

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JVaughn
February 19, 2013, 11:17 PM
Let them pay for us to exchange free speech and bash them. Poetic justice I say.

Torian
February 19, 2013, 11:22 PM
I started to get angry reading your post until it ended in sarcasm. I've calmed down now.

:D

InkEd
February 20, 2013, 12:31 AM
They paid a six figure donation to the 2A foundation. Trying to buy forgiveness.

ThirtyOughtSix
February 20, 2013, 01:00 AM
I got one of their catalogues today and they won't even put prices next to half their stuff anymore.

mrvco
February 20, 2013, 01:27 AM
They may be popular, but they're not a good kind of popular.

WinchesterAA
February 20, 2013, 01:33 AM
Did I miss something? CTD never soiled my wheaties... Plus they regard people and LEOs (http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/cheaper-than-dirt-restricts-law-enforcement-sales-to-same-products-as-civilians/#axzz2LQFNjDgx) as equals, which seems to be a good thing as far as I can tell.

Kiln
February 20, 2013, 03:36 AM
Basically CTD got slammed with a monumental number of orders in a very short time.

They then stopped taking orders for a short period of time to catch up and gun owners turned on them for siding with the anti's like starving canibals.

Blackstone
February 20, 2013, 04:12 AM
Wasn't it the ridiculous price hikes that got them in the bad books?

mcdonl
February 20, 2013, 07:50 AM
Kiln and Blackstone are both sort of right. They did stop taking orders, but only for AR/AK type guns.... And, they did raise their prices but ask the "free market" people around here and they will tell you CTD are the smart ones, and we are the idiots.

W L Johnson
February 20, 2013, 08:07 AM
Did I miss something? CTD never soiled my wheaties... Plus they regard people and LEOs as equals, which seems to be a good thing as far as I can tell.

So they're charging LEOs $1.88 + shipping a round for 5.56, $60 for pmags and $100 for a used Colt AR mag as well?

The $1.88 a round 5.56
Lake City 62gr 20rd box.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-223

Arkansas Paul
February 20, 2013, 08:10 AM
Basically CTD got slammed with a monumental number of orders in a very short time.

They then stopped taking orders for a short period of time to catch up and gun owners turned on them for siding with the anti's like starving canibals.

And they also cancelled people's orders they had already made and lied to them about being out of stock. Then, the very next day, the same products were available at 4x the original price.

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 08:15 AM
There are members here doing the same thing. Last night someone selling 500 rd bricks of .22lr for $100. I bought one at walmart yesterday for $20. Maybe we should start a thread naming our very own members that are gouging the way we have for companies. It would probably stop fast.

Mayvik
February 20, 2013, 08:23 AM
They are far from the only "gougers" during the great banic of 2013. CTD is easy to bash because they are very visible. You, as the consumer, have the right to shop where you feel like - if you don't like CTD's price hikes (or "warehouse X" shipping games..or whatever the hate bandwagon of the month was before that...), don't buy from them and if enough people do the same, their business model will adjust itself or they will no longer be in business. Ivan isn't standing behind your computer with a 9x18 pressed against the back of your head making you purchase overpriced magazines from the State approved source...

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 08:31 AM
Mayvik, im pretty sure they are saying they wont buy from them. Nobody is saying they are being forced to. And nobody is saying they are the only "gougers". So, with that being said I really don't understand your post.

jrdolall
February 20, 2013, 08:35 AM
I have had nothing but good luck with them. You have to watch them on shipping but they have always delivered 100% of my orders in a timely manner.

You have to excuse me but I don't agree at all with a couple of the points here. They raised their prices in response to the huge demand? So what? It is simply a matter of refusing to pay those prices. They don't put prices in their catalog? Would you in this volatile market? Then people would be bashing them because they didn't honor their catalog price.

I don't know about cancelling orders and then having product available next day at higher prices since I didn't order anything from them during that time. It seems to me that the internet guys are in the same situation as the LGS and Walmart. They don't know when they will be getting their orders in and they may not even know what the cost will be.

While I don't condone any sorts of "price gouging" I firmly believe that this is a sellers market and if I own stock in a company they darned well better be taking advantage of that market. This is not bread and milk or gas during a hurricane. It is a luxury item, for the vast majority of our purchases, and every supplier out there should be selling at what the market will bear. I have purchased plenty of ammo and 11 guns since the election, all at normal to good prices. .22 bricks from Graf when things started getting crazy. 6.5x55 and .223 for hunting from Grafs. 2 guns from Walmart at regular price, both .22 "tacticals". 2 boxes of .357 magnum from Walmart last week at regular price and they had some 38 spl but I have plenty. A savage 25-06 from a local gun store. Several gun purchases from individuals at excellent prices.

Anyone who overpays right now is either desperate or crazy. The deals are out there if you look for them and can be in the right place at the right time. Just check out Gunbroker and see the bricks of .22 going for $70 with MULTIPLE BIDDERS.

Jim, West PA
February 20, 2013, 08:38 AM
I got one of their catalogues today and they won't even put prices next to half their stuff anymore.
Write Return To Sender on it and stick it back in your mail box.

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 08:42 AM
Jrdolall, I agree with you mostly. Just a couple of things. I get monthly sale catalogs in from many companies. CTD is the only one that have raised their prices massively. They are the only ones that stopped putting their prices on lots of items in print. Why hasn't all the other big name companies done so? Also, the person in sporting goods at walmart can tell me what they are getting the next day anytime I ask them.

Torian
February 20, 2013, 08:45 AM
I have no issues with increased prices. We are all paying them. CTD has engaged in "price gouging". There is a big difference. Even way before they started doing this, they raised their shipping and handling prices to obscene levels, particularly for ammo purchases...so I stopped buying entirely from them at that point.

Others are welcome to buy from them, but based on their current business model...they won't get any of mine.

returningfire
February 20, 2013, 08:50 AM
I had stopped buying from them before all this stuff happened. Their prices are not "Cheaper than Dirt" got blistered on shipping, and stuff coming from warehouse A being this much+ shipping and the rest of your order coming from warehouse B + shipping etc. Just like playing the numbers game at the car dealership, I don't like that game so I stopped buying from CTD. That's my decision and you can make yours. But there are a lot of other places that you can buy from usually cheaper than CTD. They can charge what they want and you can pay it if you want.
It is still a "free" county in that regard.

jcwit
February 20, 2013, 09:11 AM
And no one here on this thread has ever said or made bad decisions and later repented for it/them?

Those who point fingers had better look to themselves first.

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 09:28 AM
Repent- to turn from ones ways
CTD- currently still doing these things
Haven't repented yet

Grassman
February 20, 2013, 09:48 AM
CTD is dead to me.

Mayvik
February 20, 2013, 09:53 AM
Mayvik, im pretty sure they are saying they wont buy from them. Nobody is saying they are being forced to. And nobody is saying they are the only "gougers". So, with that being said I really don't understand your post.
Point was basically "Oh great another bitching about CTD thread..."

mljdeckard
February 20, 2013, 09:53 AM
I agree, let them pay to advertise so that we can complain about them.

SoCalNoMore
February 20, 2013, 09:54 AM
Great thing is, we are all in charge of how we spend our dollars and freedom of speech is a great thing.

Folks for their own reasons choose to buy or not buy from CTD. I will not buy from them for many of the reasons stated above. I dont have a lot of money to spend, but I do choose to spend it with people and companies I respect. I'm weird like that I suppose

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 09:56 AM
Mayvik, that I agree with.

Bobson
February 20, 2013, 10:05 AM
Price gouging is one thing, and IMO, there's nothing explicitly wrong with exploiting the supply/demand system. During a famine, it takes a special kind of person to sell wheat to the wealthy at the same bargain price as during times of plenty. Some call that special kind of person "stupid," and its hard to disagree.

And they also cancelled people's orders they had already made and lied to them about being out of stock. Then, the very next day, the same products were available at 4x the original price.
This, on the other hand, is complete b.s. Depending on how much proof there is to back this claim up, I encourage and support anyone who chooses to boycott CTD indefinitely.

scaatylobo
February 20, 2013, 10:11 AM
I have had too many issues with them as THEY chose to ignore the STATE law and kiss the D.A.'s butt to appease him [ ? ] and not ship to me items I can buy at Wally world or any sporting goods shop !.

And yes I spoke to them at length,and they had NO reason and NO answer as to why.

Now they went and raised their 30 round mags for the AR-15's from 19.99 to 59.99 to 99.99 = WHAT T.Puck!.

Now the newest catalog I just got yesterday has NO PRICES qouted and you have to go online to see DAILY PRICING.

gee you have items in STOCK,but want to rape us so change pricing daily ?.

Not good business and I will take my money anywhere else !.

jcwit
February 20, 2013, 11:11 AM
Repent- to turn from ones ways
CTD- currently still doing these things
Haven't repented yet

OK, we'll rephrase it slightly.

And no one here on this thread has ever said or made bad decisions?

Those who point fingers had better look to themselves first.


I'm not a fan of CTD, never ordered anything from them, but really this is just ridiculous.

mrvco
February 20, 2013, 11:53 AM
Cheaper Than Dirt = Fear-mongering dBags par Excellence :fire:

Just got this email from them:

"During the State of Union Address, President Obama stated he wanted "Massive Ammunition Magazines" banned from Civilians, buy now before he signs an Executive Order Banning them."

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 12:14 PM
What's wrong with that? He could sign a EO at any time right? They gave you a personal hand - out for you to buy $99.99 pmags. You should be honored. And act now before Obama signs a EO to change the constitution.

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 12:18 PM
I would say that I've never made this many bad decisions in a row compounded on top of bad decisions even in the face of public outcry and very bad attention being paid to me. And it's still happening. Yep, I've never acted like this.

Grassman
February 20, 2013, 12:21 PM
I have had too many issues with them as THEY chose to ignore the STATE law and kiss the D.A.'s butt to appease him [ ? ] and not ship to me items I can buy at Wally world or any sporting goods shop !.

And yes I spoke to them at length,and they had NO reason and NO answer as to why.

Now they went and raised their 30 round mags for the AR-15's from 19.99 to 59.99 to 99.99 = WHAT T.Puck!.

Now the newest catalog I just got yesterday has NO PRICES qouted and you have to go online to see DAILY PRICING.

gee you have items in STOCK,but want to rape us so change pricing daily ?.

Not good business and I will take my money anywhere else !.
That's not a business model I want to support. They can go pound sand!

jcwit
February 20, 2013, 12:36 PM
Hope ya'll feel the same about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo

Run by Hugo Chavez and his administration.

Remember that when you pull into a 7/11.

Grassman
February 20, 2013, 12:39 PM
Hope ya'll feel the same about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo

Run by Hugo Chavez and his administration.

Remember that when you pull into a 7/11.
I'm well aware of that, I believe Valero is too.

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 12:40 PM
We don't have 7/11 where I live.

cja245
February 20, 2013, 01:46 PM
There are plenty of companies that are not gouging. I will be doing business elsewhere in the future. That's the beauty of capitalism. They can charge whatever they feel is appropriate and I can take my dollars to another store.

Spymaster
February 20, 2013, 01:55 PM
Not to rain on your CTD bash party, but thats exactly what is going to happen.

jrdolall
February 20, 2013, 02:18 PM
So they don't have prices in a quarterly catalog? Is there a company out there in America that is selling .223 or .22 for the same price they were selling it in December? Look at one of the December catalogs and call to request 5 bricks of .22 at $18 which was a going rate in November/December. I know because I bought a bunch from Grafs. Okay so they don't have any at that price, or any other price so why put a price on something you don't have in stock, don't know what it will cost when you get it in and don't even know if you will get ANY in. Heaven forbid they put a high price because then they would be gouging.

Geez people please quit griping about the different warehouses. Every item you look at on their website clearly says what warehouse it is in. If you can't get together an order and have it all come from one location then guess what? They have to pack it in two different warehouses and pay two seperate shippers to pick it up. It's not like they hide the warehouse and then say "Surprise" when they ding your card. I don't know why they do this but every time I have ordered from them in the past I just made sure all my items were from Warehouse "A" and I only paid one reasonable shipping charge. They also clearly show the shipping charges and you can add something and update your cart to see what your total with shipping will be. Is it comparable to other online sellers? Can't answer that but I know I have purchased ammo and parts from them in the past and I always felt okay about my experience. I don't go online and order a $12 part and then gripe because shipping was $14. I order as much as I need or can afford and that usually makes it relatively affordable

I bet most people griping would tear the door down if CTD advertised .22 bricks for $22 or .223 for $250 per 1000 rounds. "I hate you guys" but ship me that ammo.

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 03:02 PM
I bought a brick for $20 at walmart yesterday.

mrvco
February 20, 2013, 03:15 PM
...

I bet most people griping would tear the door down if CTD advertised .22 bricks for $22 or .223 for $250 per 1000 rounds. "I hate you guys" but ship me that ammo.

Well yes... if their prices (delivered) were actually "Cheaper than the Competition", then folks wouldn't be so hard on them.

That's the whole problem with their warehouse system. I don't care how many warehouses they have, but I do care when their distribution of inventory across those warehouses increases my shipping charges to the point that they end up being more expensive than the competition.

jcwit
February 20, 2013, 04:20 PM
I believe Valero is too.

Nope, its a U.S. Company, Headquarted in San Antonio, TX

gym
February 20, 2013, 04:49 PM
Wallmart has no idea what they are being sent from the warehouse until they unpack the box, "referring to ammo and guns", this from my local Wallmart sales people, "who have been in the gun and fishing area for at least 2-3 yrs now. they told us that if we come in at 8 PM, we can get the latest truckload of goodies when they unpack it to lay it out for the morning rush.
Sure enough I took a ride back at 8:30 PM and got 45 and 00 buck, the 223 was on the previous days truck, but none on this load.
They have been consistant with their story, they really don't know what's in the boxes until they unload them.
The best way to do it is to stop by at various times during the week, "or day" if you have time, and check, if you miss it by 15 minutes , "it's gone". They get cleaned out that fast.
They don't get that much, so 4 or 5guys can take 15 or 20 boxes in a few minutes and it's done. I have been able to get all but 40 cal there. My LGS seems to have 40 in stock whenever I need it at under $25 per box. I don't know if they save it for guys who are shooting, or it's for anyone.
Whenever I shoot there I buy ammo for at least one caliber anyway, they are very fair, and charge 10 bucks, and half the time give you targets for free, plus eyes and ears if you need them for a friend.
I figure the least I can do is buy ammo there, as they don't care how long you stay, as long as you don't shoot off the clip that holds the target on the wire. LOL. That they get angry about.
A few times I went in just to test a trigger I put in and they didn't even charge me for firing a few mags. Good guys, but forget about transfers, $100.00 per gun. If they don't sell it, they don't ship it.
I can live with that I just use someone else for that if it becomes necessary.

Akita1
February 20, 2013, 04:52 PM
I got one of their catalogues today and they won't even put prices next to half their stuff anymore.
Same here - straight to the fireplace. Nice to watch the cool colors when the ink burns - my kids love it!

Akita1
February 20, 2013, 04:54 PM
Hope ya'll feel the same about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo

Run by Hugo Chavez and his administration.

Remember that when you pull into a 7/11.
+1 jcwit

Akita1
February 20, 2013, 04:56 PM
There are plenty of companies that are not gouging. I will be doing business elsewhere in the future. That's the beauty of capitalism. They can charge whatever they feel is appropriate and I can take my dollars to another store.
+1; my fav LGS hasn't gouged since this all started. I give them all my business now.

fallout mike
February 20, 2013, 07:12 PM
Gym, at my local walmart I sometimes look at the sporting goods lady paperwork with her to see what she is getting in on her next truck as far as ammo goes. Either yours is different or they are jerking your leg.

splattergun
February 20, 2013, 07:18 PM
The last time I visited CTD's website a few days ago, their prices on what they have in stock are at least doubled since the last time I ordered from them 2 months ago. I accuse them of gouging and will never deal with them again.

glocking26
February 20, 2013, 07:31 PM
My catalog went from the mail box to the trash can.

mljdeckard
February 20, 2013, 08:08 PM
I haven't been in a 7-11 in even longer than I have ignored CTD. And if CTD was suddenly blowing out ammo for unbelievable priced....I wouldn't even know.

TheCracker
February 20, 2013, 09:28 PM
CTD is dead to me. Ill never buy anything from them. As far as marking return to sender? Nope, I'll let them support the US post office as long as they want to. Their mailing will however go strait to the trash can.

I hope they go out if business for this crap.

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