Anyone ever shipped or recieved powder ???


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10 Spot Terminator
February 20, 2013, 01:36 PM
Ok so heres my dilemma. After a half dozen calls to UPS the people who are supposedly the ones to be able via their hazmat proceedures to ship powder cant seem to get their ducks in a row to help me. I have heard " I am not trained to be able to assist you in this" and transferred to other sources many times and no positive answers were given. What little I found is that only those who are contracted and properly trained in "specific" aspects of hazmat training are allowed to ship hazmat via UPS but yet they cant provide me with any references as to who these folks might be or how to contact them. If any of you have shipped powder in the last year or two how did you manage to do this ? If you bought powder on line was it delivered to you in any special packaging or did it arrive in a standard box with paper buffering ? Whatever guideance you can give here would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks for looking guys,,,

10 Spot

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sellersm
February 20, 2013, 01:58 PM
It's my understanding that private individuals can NOT ship hazardous materials (powder, primers), UNLESS they have the DOT certification stamp/paperwork (which is about $600 to obtain).

rcmodel
February 20, 2013, 02:07 PM
Contact some of the pack & ship places in the phone book.

Some of them probably have haz-mat shipping certification.

rc

MtnCreek
February 20, 2013, 02:13 PM
The pack & ships around me are not licensed for hazmat, but they do know where the hubs are that can ship.

Edit:
any special packaging

Nope. Like anything else, add packing material to keep everything nice and snug.

243winxb
February 20, 2013, 02:59 PM
If you have any questions about shipping hazardous materials with UPS, please call the UPS Hazardous Materials Support Center at 1-800-554-9964.
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/techsupport/alliances/technology_hazardous.html

10 Spot Terminator
February 20, 2013, 08:06 PM
243winxb

That was one of the numbers I tried and they told me what was required but no sources that could implement this for me as stated in the original post . They themsrelves are not set up to do it only charge for the permits and provide necessary training to be able to hold and use such permits. They also have no list of providers who have the permits that could perform the service I need. Makes me wonder if in fact they may actually be a government ran organization ,,,:rolleyes:

medalguy
February 20, 2013, 08:46 PM
It is not necessary to pay $600 for hazmat training. You can locate all the materials required online, do the training yourself, and self-certify. Then you can *legally* sign the hazmat shipping certification. It's not easy, and you DO have to do the training, but you can do it. I did it for my business a few years ago, and then trained 4 employees who needed the training.

BYJO4
February 20, 2013, 09:13 PM
You must complete the course for the handling and shipping of hazardous materials. You then can apply for and obtain a license to do so. UPS requires a copy of the license for their file. In most areas, shipping must be done at their main hub as certain precautions must be taken as soon as they take possession of the package.

MtnCreek
February 21, 2013, 08:18 AM
I've never had to do any training or anything else mentioned. I do tell them the contents and they do the rest (hey're the ones trained to apply which ever Hazmat label). I've shipped smokeless powder and small arms ammunition.

Call one of the pack and ships. Ask them what ups location ships ammunition. Go to that location and tell them you're shipping smokless powder. They'll probably ask the quantity, so have that info available.

As far as packing; to me, it's worth the extra couple of bucks to have the pack & ship package it for me.

Constrictor
February 21, 2013, 08:56 AM
I recieved 16 pounds of powder bt fedex yesterday.

Derek Zeanah
February 21, 2013, 09:02 AM
Yep. Online orders will have a $25 dollar fee or something like that that's good up to 50lbs (from memory - actual numbers may differ). Buy it, it get shipped, it arrives.

ArchAngelCD
February 21, 2013, 09:24 AM
Fact: Hazmat shipping in the case of primers and powder is nothing different than normal shipping.
Fact: No special packaging is used in primer and powder shipping.
Fact: Only the label and papers are different.
Fact: Hazmat shipping powder and primers is only a money making scheme.
Fact: Even though all the above is true you must be certified to ship powder and primers because the government is the government and they will make things hard on you just because they can.

I'm sorry for the rant, I'm just feeling your pain and I'm sorry I can't really help you. The above advice of looking in the phone book for shippers who are hazmat certified is sound advice IMO.

This is a company that seems to do hazmat packaging and shipping but I'm not sure if they are near you since your profile doesn't include a home location. Their site states you can call them for advice.
http://www.kel-ex.com/shipping.asp

This link might help with the packaging necessary, that is if you have to provide the packaging to pack the box yourself. (the above company will probably let you know about that)
http://www.uline.com/Grp_90/Haz-Mat-Products?pricode=WM539&utm_source=Bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=hazmat%20shipping&utm_campaign=Boxes%2C%20Corrugated

jose wales
February 21, 2013, 10:06 AM
I just got the powder and primers I ordered and glad to get the order. From what I understand about shipping Hazmat you should find some that can ship it and to receive a shipment it will cost about 27.50 for Hazmat fee plus the cost of shipping. When I recieved the order there wast anything visible on the outside of the package to say it was Hazardus. But some of the codes could mean something else to those handling it ?? :banghead:

TonyT
February 21, 2013, 03:20 PM
As an individual you can receive powder and primers but cannot ship either powder or primers.

sourdough44
February 21, 2013, 03:31 PM
There is a big difference between ordering powders & primers or trying to mail them as a private individual. The OP seems to want to ship them, as a private individual. If that is indeed the case I would try to sell locally, if that's the reason.

Maybe the O.K. to legally ship powder as a private individual is doable, seems rather painful though for just a few shipments.

dragon813gt
February 21, 2013, 06:41 PM
The online certification for shipping hazmat through UPS is bogus. You need to take the actual course. You as the shipper are the one liable if something goes wrong. UPS will be coming after you.


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crazyponie
February 21, 2013, 09:20 PM
I think it is just a money scam as well. If UPS people are trained to ship/handle it then they are missing something. I happend to be off on the day my last order of 10K primers from PV was delivered. I heard the truck stop out front and I got up and watched him through the window. He walked up rang the bell, turned around and dropped the box from waste level onto the porch. I ran down stairs and out the door to catch him before he made it back to the truck. I didnt make it in time but, I still couldnt believe what I just witnessed (even if it wasnt haz material).

medalguy
February 21, 2013, 10:56 PM
Sure you can do online training and its just as valid as a paid classroom course. I said previously that you can self-certify but that you MUST complete all phaes of training and document everything. Then you must properly package and ship goods. You can't shortcut anything because you ARE liable in the event of any accident. Do it the right way and its not quick and easy but it can be done.

Remember hazmat covers a lot of categories and powder and primers may be fairly safe when shipped but there are a lot of goods that are NOT safe and hazmat training can cover only the classes of material you ship, or it can cover a lot more.

10 Spot Terminator
February 22, 2013, 12:35 PM
Thanks for all the input guys. I was hoping to accomodate a fella who needed 5 lbs. of powder I had for sale badly enough he was willing to pay the additional charges but as it turns out I was unable to find anyone willing to ship the package. I had to decline this guys offer and wish him the best of luck. Curiosity leads me again to ask if any of you have ordered powder and had it shipped to you? If so how did it arrive in the box ? Any special packaging or just the standard rumpled paper as a buffer like these places ship most sporting goods ? Looking to see just how hazaardous they deem shipping powder to be insofar as if any special care is actually involved when it does get shipped.

MtnCreek
February 22, 2013, 04:04 PM
No special packaging, just has packing materials to keep it snug. Not long ago, I had 10 lbs of powder and 5000 primers shipped in the same box. I did think that was a little odd.

angus6
February 22, 2013, 10:32 PM
It is not necessary to pay $600 for hazmat training. You can locate all the materials required online, do the training yourself, and self-certify. Then you can *legally* sign the hazmat shipping certification. It's not easy, and you DO have to do the training, but you can do it. I did it for my business a few years ago, and then trained 4 employees who needed the training.

This man knows what he is talking about, and is 100% Correct

J_McLeod
February 23, 2013, 08:06 PM
Where do you live? If you're in West TN, I'm certified to sign Haz papers.

hueyville
February 23, 2013, 09:46 PM
Crazieponie, as to the UPS guy dropping your package from waste high, it was not the first time it happened to your package. I packaged several items very well, marked them fragile, insured them and all arrived broken. UPS, declined the insurance due to not properly packaged. They have to be packaged well enough to take a five foot fall, followed by a 70 pound item falling onto them. Google ISTA procedure level 3a. Multiple drops, multiple vibration, atmospheric, and other hazards. The list is long and these are the standards UPS will ask for.if you place a claim. Cheapest testing of your packaging for this is 900.00. Thus it was easier for me to replace customers items at my expense and learn the rules.

Basically all packages go for a ride on their conveyors and after dropping off the end may be followed buy a 70 pound package of bricks falling directly on it. This may happen at every terminal they go through. Also must be able to sustain a five foot drop. They determined my stuff was not packaged well enough for the 70 pound drop and marking them fragile does not get them any special treatment. I should have read the rules before I shipped UPS ground. Now, unless I am the one shipping bricks, we double box and fill with expanding foam. The UPS guy on the truck and the handlers in between know the rules, thus there is not a lot of incentive to treat your package as if it were fine crystal in a cardboard box. Thus their insurance is a scam except for if it is lost. If damaged the burden to prove 3A standards of packaging is on you and a independent lab you pay out of pocket for the testing. If it fails their test, you are out an additional thousand bucks for the test. To box even a small item correctly is 20.00 in materials. Most companies just do the minimum, hope, and replace anything damage can be proven. I will now sometimes crate and pallet expensive items then ship via lift gate truck service. Although I ordered a 25,000 dollar high frequency spindle drive controller (basically a bunch of circuit boards and power supplies in a metal box) to be shipped to me via lift gate truck. The shipper put it on a truck without a lift. I walked out the door just in time to see the truck driver push my 25k box of sensitive circuitry off the back of his trailer and it go crashing to the ground. He could not understand why I was upset. Nothing but freight to him.

au_prospector
February 23, 2013, 10:03 PM
Is one of the many reasons 'they' want you certified to ship HazMat.

It is not necessarily WHAT is inside, its labeling it properly so in the unlikely situation where there is a problem, responders can quickly figure out what they are dealing with.

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