[The-Reaver]

:) very first time I've stepped into or even fired this caliber. I put 30 rounds through a new find. RugerP94 in .40 so....I'm interested now. What can for do that my other four calibers (38/357 .45 .9x19 7.62x25 )

Seriously I have 0 clue on this caliber and am completely ignorant on the subject. You guys have a clean slate to work with. Go.

[rcmodel]

Well for starters it kicks harder, is louder, and makes a bigger hole with a heavier bullet then your other two little wimpy 9mm & .30 cal auto pistols.

It makes smaller holes, holds more rounds, and is louder then the .45 ACP.

The .357 revolver beats them hands down on all except the bigger hole, heavier bullets, and holds more rounds parts.

rc

[chris in va]

Dumbed down version of the 10mm. FBI felt recoil with the 10 was a bit much so S&W developed the 40.

More penetration than 45acp, better expansion size than 9mm, higher mag capacity than 45. Snappier recoil than both.

[greenlion]

Use the search function and read for the next 10 days..

[willypete]

I recommend using the search function as well as Google to get an idea of the history of this round as well as its capabilities and limitations. There are many excellent handguns chambered in this round, as well as numerous ammunition offerings.

[Sergei Mosin]

Is your .40 glass half-full or half-empty?

If it's half-full, the .40 offers more capacity than the .45 and more power than the 9mm.

If it's half-empty, the .40 offers less power than the .45 and less capacity than the 9mm.

If you own a double-stack .45, you may wonder what all the fuss is about when you have both capacity and power on tap.

If you're a devotée of the 10mm, the .40 is Short & Weak, a pale shadow of the One True Cartridge.

If you like pictures of blown-up Glocks, the .40 is your friend.

To some the .40 is the perfect compromise. To others it is too compromised. Of the four most common centerfire autoloader cartridges (.380 ACP, 9x19, .40 S&W, .45 ACP) it is probably the most controversial. It is the only one of those cartridges missing from the armory here at the Mosin family dacha. We don't find that it fills a niche for us. But for many it does. The .40 is the middle ground between the 9mm and the .45, and of course the middle ground is the ground most often fought over.

[Bovice]

It can throw 180 grain bullets nearly as fast as a standard 185 loading in .45, with higher capacity than most .45s of similar size. I don't think it kicks any harder either, but all my guns are heavy.

How's that for a niche?

[The-Reaver]

To be 100% honest the primary reason I picked it up is because a very large portion of police carry it, and DHS just keeps on ordering it by the millions. It also seems to be the only handgun cartridge I can find at pretty much any local store to include chinamart.

I'm an shtfer can't ya tell. :-)

[PabloJ]

:) very first time I've stepped into or even fired this caliber. I put 30 rounds through a new find. RugerP94 in .40 so....I'm interested now. What can for do that my other four calibers (38/357 .45 .9x19 7.62x25 )

Seriously I have 0 clue on this caliber and am completely ignorant on the subject. You guys have a clean slate to work with. Go.
Looking at previous shortage and current one why Americans do not adopt it in large numbers is beyond me.:what: I mean ammo, Glock pistols and 10+ round capacity magazines are readily available.:scrutiny:

[Bobson]

I keep hearing people say 40 is the last popular caliber available. Idk what the deal is, but it seems like 40 goes faster than 9mm around North Phoenix.

[PabloJ]

I keep hearing people say 40 is the last popular caliber available. Idk what the deal is, but it seems like 40 goes faster than 9mm around North Phoenix.
Looks like shooters in North Phoenix are wiser then most when it comes to caliber selection. Many I meet here would loose on 'Are you smarter then 5th grader?"

[scaatylobo]

Sorry but I had to comment on your "if you like exploding Glocks".

I own and shoot 3 Glocks in that caliber and the LEO's in the state shoot the same and so far we have had NO exploding Glocks.

Dont get me wrong as I am not a shill for Glock and I own most other makers firearms too [ S&W,Ruger,Springfield,Kimber, ] to name most and so I see a lack of a problem with the Glocks.

btw,I do note that the .40 S&W round has more notable recoil than either the .9 MM or the .45 ACP.

But until very recently my EDC was a Glock 23 in .40 S&W with thousands of rounds through it,both personal and for my agency.

[Teachu2]

:evil:Looks like shooters in North Phoenix are wiser then most when it comes to caliber selection. Many I meet here would loose on 'Are you smarter then 5th grader?"

That's lose - as any fifth-grader should know.

[g_one]

I personally don't buy into the which-caliber-is-better debate. Some people like some more than others, and my personal opinion is that 9mm, .40, and .45acp are all -basically- the same at the end of the day. What one caliber loses in one category, it makes up for in another, such that they all three end up take-your-pick.

Having said that, I think .40 is a great in-between caliber if you only want to own one caliber in multiple handguns. Given the option to own multiple calibers, I'll take a 9mm for CCW and a 45 for open carry/HD any day. If I had to pick just one, it would be .40 across the board.

Now, I don't know if you're a Glock guy or not, but IMHO the Glock is where the .40 REALLY shines. Something about the recoil management and design of the Glock pairs perfectly with the snappy recoil of the .40 to make follow-up shots easier than any other handgun I've ever fired (except lighter rounds like .22 of course), and take that into consideration that your capacity is basically equal to that of the 9mm, and you've got one hell of a handgun.

[Bikewer]

Our department has been issuing the Glock 23 for about 15 years now. Our department personnel ranges from small, slight female officers to big, strong males.
No one has any problem handling the weapon.
We have had no failures of any kind.

I consider the .40 to be an excellent combat round. When first introduced, at a time when the revolver in .357 was pretty much standard for law enforcement, the first year's statistics showed excellent combat performance, comparable with the .357
Capacity, effectiveness, control... Not a bad choice.

[Plan2Live]

Do you want strawberry, vanilla or chocolate? In other words, it's all about personal preferance. I own and shoot many calibers including .40 caliber. I carry .40 sometimes and 9mm other times. My 9mm is a single stack (8rds) and my 40 is a double stack (11rds) so capacity isn't my decision criteria. My 9mm tears the target, my .40 makes nice round holes.

Should the day ever come when I don't get to chose which caliber of ammo I come across I like having pistols in various calibers so I can keep carrying and shooting.

[premier1]

The do-all caliber is really nothing new in firearms who will ever forget the .41 magnum and others. I own a .380,9x19,.40 S&W,.45acp and 38/357.I am armed at my job daily and I enjoy changing things around from time to time.I will say the caliber that I shoot and carry the least is the 40s&w. It's not as inherently accurate as the 9x19,does'nt have the knock down of a 45acp,the ammo is more expensive and while I reload I still am not thrilled with the caliber. While it's a darling of law enforcement here in the USA it goes virtually un-noticed elsewhere and is non existent in military use. Again as a do-all cartridge maybe it's the master of none.

[PabloJ]

Shot some 180gr 1100fps loads through G29 (similar package to G23) . Recoil impulse was about same as S&W 457 with 185gr 45s.:scrutiny::) The often mentioned 'SNAP' must be experienced by Rice Krispies eaters only. Much more pleasant to shoot then LCP .380.:barf:

[area51]

Long live the 10mm

[PabloJ]

LGS sold eight G20s recently. I bought one of them.

[psyopspec]

What can for do that my other four calibers (38/357 .45 .9x19 7.62x25 ) [can't?]

Be on the shelf during a period of panic buying. But I don't shoot .40 much simply because in normal times ammunition is more expensive than 9mm and in a Glock 23 RTF extended range sessions can exfoliate the skin a bit much.

It's not as inherently accurate as the 9x19,does'nt have the knock down of a 45acp,the ammo is more expensive and while I reload I still am not thrilled with the caliber.

How do you calculate inherent accuracy and knockdown power?

[mrvco]

...

How do you calculate inherent accuracy and knockdown power?
It just depends upon which thread you're reading :p



All I know is that my 40S&W moves steel more reliably than my 9MM and I don't have to reload as often as I do with my 45ACP.

[GLOOB]

It can fire 40 caliber bullets!

[beatledog7]

As GLOOB said. When there is no 9mm or .45ACP ammo, and you don't reload or can't get components, if you have a pistol chambered in .40S&W you can still go shooting.

[D-rob92]

Honestly i feel like the .40 has superiority over .45 and 9mm i love all three rounds and own a pistol in all 3 but after extensive research and some (unscientific) testing. My conclusion is that the .40 is just a great round over all IMHO.

[gym]

I have one in my pocket, but prefer the 9 and 45 for accuracy and power. If it doesn't go down with a 9, you are in trouble either way. It's not like there is a huge difference in pistol rounds. 9 is mor accurate, "easier to shoot", and 45 makes a larger whole, "bleed out faster", but in the scheme of things they should be interchangable.

[Ankeny]

I no longer own a .40, but I did shoot them when I was shooting Limited Division in USPSA. My .40 Limited guns were extremely accurate...as in exceptionally accurate. But two posters have indicated the 9mm is more accurate. Heck, some of the most inaccurate guns I have ever owned were 9mm, including a G17 and most recently an M&P Pro 9. So, where did the .40 get the reputation of being inferior to the 9x19 in the accuracy department?

[Kayaker 1960]

I've had a Glock model 22 (full size .40 ) for many years. 5 years or so back, due to reading on forums such as THR I purchased a Colt Commander .45 It was touted as the best gun/caliber in the history of the world, softer shooting and bigger holes. I found the ,45 to be slightly more accurate, due to the single action trigger. Soft shooting? a slow push instead of the sharp recoil of the .40? "BULL SHIP"! My Glock .40 and my Commander .45 were very nearly identical in size (the .45 is a little thinner) the .45 kicked as much or more than the .40
I also have a S&W M&P40c (compact .40) it does have a sharper recoil, it's smaller. It doesn't bother me but my wife doesn't like it.
I sold the Colt last week, it was sitting in my safe and it doesn't do anything my .40s won't do except weigh more and cost more to feed and it doesn't hold as many rounds as even my compact .40

[Deltaboy]

I tried it and the price was right and it shoots straight. Mine carries 15 rounds.

[Kayaker 1960]

"I have one in my pocket, but prefer the 9 and 45 for accuracy and power. If it doesn't go down with a 9, you are in trouble either way. It's not like there is a huge difference in pistol rounds. 9 is mor accurate, "easier to shoot", and 45 makes a larger whole, "bleed out faster", but in the scheme of things they should be interchangable."

How is the 9mm more accurate? Have you seen Hickock 45 shoot his Glock model 27 at 100 yards? The most inacurate pistol I've ever shot was an old S&W 9mm. The .40 makes a bigger hole than a 9mm and holds more rounds than a .45 How is it then in any way inferior to either? Perhaps better than both for the same reason. Personally, I think a full size 9mm is a great ladies gun, or for a man with small/weak hands. 9mm makes a great subcompact round.

[mnhntr]

It was supposed to be the answer to a question nobody asked. So you now have a caliber that does nothing the 9mm won't do and is not comparable to a .45 or 10mm. So what did the 40S&W do? Added recoil to the same guns you can get in 9mm.

[Kayaker 1960]

It does indeed make a bigger hole than a 9mm right? Then the same people who claim that it is short and week complain that it has too much recoil? How does that work again? I know that it sure as hell knocks steel plates down with a lot more authority than a 9mm does.
9mm is for boys with sissy hands and girls. :neener:
I just sold my .45 because it doesn't do anything my .40's won't do, it weighed more, cost more to feed and it DOES have more felt recoil!

[mnhntr]

It does indeed make a bigger hole than a 9mm right? Then the same people who claim that it is short and week complain that it has too much recoil? How does that work again? I know that it sure as hell knocks steel plates down with a lot more authority than a 9mm does.
9mm is for boys with sissy hands and girls

Ya that 1mm difference between 9mm and .40 is huge:rolleyes:. I suppose that 1mm will make you bleed 10x faster:rolleyes:.The recoil is because the round is slightly faster with a slightly bigger bullet (1mm, and maybe 20-60gr). So the 40 is awesome compared to a 9mm.:rolleyes: If real men shoot 40s I must be a stud for carrying a .45:neener:

[SDGlock23]

It was supposed to be the answer to a question nobody asked. So you now have a caliber that does nothing the 9mm won't do and is not comparable to a .45 or 10mm. So what did the 40S&W do? Added recoil to the same guns you can get in 9mm.

To say the .40 won't do anything the 9mm won't do and in the same breath say it doesn't compare to the .45 or 10mm makes zero sense. So if you think the .40 isn't any better than the 9mm, why would you then assume the .45 is any better than the .40? 10mm is a nice round and all, but a warm 10mm only holds a 7-8% increase in velocity over a warm .40. I guess that would mean that the 10mm isn't any better than the 9mm too, right?

[Narwhal]

All my semi automatic pistols are in .40 and I have zero interest in any other semi-auto pistol caliber.

[psyopspec]

10mm is a nice round and all, but a warm 10mm only holds a 7-8% increase in velocity over a warm .40.

Could you point me to your source for this statement? I'd been looking into both calibers myself and for projectiles with the same weight coming out of the same barrel length the numbers I'd been finding suggested that the difference was closer to 25%. I have no dog in this discussion, but I am reading to learn, and wanted to double check what's being said.

[bds]

I went from Glock 30 with 10 rounds of 45ACP to Glock 27 with 10 rounds of 40S&W with +1 Pearce mag base grip.

Lighter and smaller to carry and it shoots as well as my Glock 22 at 7-10 yards.

Another bonus?

I drop in a 40-9 conversion barrel for much cheaper 9mm practice loads I can reload for $5/50 rounds.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=143460&stc=1&d=1307233048

[mnhntr]

Really? I suppose you have data or studies to back up what your saying? I did not think so. The .40 has a capacity of 19.3 grains of H2O and the 10mm is 24 grains which by my calculations is closer to 20% increase. Also the ft Lbs of energy in the 10mm is almost double in the same bullet weight. The 45acp has 200+ more ft lbs than the 40 in the same bullet weight. Even the 9mm with lighter bullets gives more energy than the 40. I suggest you do some research before giving opinion as fact.
To say the .40 won't do anything the 9mm won't do and in the same breath say it doesn't compare to the .45 or 10mm makes zero sense. So if you think the .40 isn't any better than the 9mm, why would you then assume the .45 is any better than the .40? 10mm is a nice round and all, but a warm 10mm only holds a 7-8% increase in velocity over a warm .40. I guess that would mean that the 10mm isn't any better than the 9mm too, right?

[FireInCairo]

When you're considering calibers overall, I think the .40 is the perfect mix of power, bullet size, magazine capacity, and concealed carriability. Some of the smallest sub-compact 9mm pistols can also be had in a .40 caliber configuration offering, more stopping power (Kahr PM or CM or Walther PPS or Glock 26/27).

[golfer_ray]

I owned 9mm's & considered buying a .45, but I kept seeing that .40 had ammunition (sometimes) available. Now I have two .40's & ammo & I'm happy with both.

[Takem406]

I like it because it's high velocity and high capacity. Plus my little hands can wrap around a double stack with ease.

It's snappy but Pacmyer makes a great sleeve!

In God and Glock we Trust

[SDGlock23]

Could you point me to your source for this statement? I'd been looking into both calibers myself and for projectiles with the same weight coming out of the same barrel length the numbers I'd been finding suggested that the difference was closer to 25%. I have no dog in this discussion, but I am reading to learn, and wanted to double check what's being said.

I'm the source, I've handloaded for both the 10mm and .40 for years. There is a potential issue with that of course, and that is if you don't handload and have to buy your ammunition you're likely to see around 20 to 25%. From what I've loaded as well as taking into account what others load is where I get my 7-8%.

For example a 180gr leaving a 6" 10mm at 1450 fps (very warm load) compared to a 180gr leaving a 6" .40 at 1350 fps (also a warm load). Same with heavier 200gr, say a warm 10mm at 1350 vs a warm .40 at 1250. As stated, when you buy your ammo you will generally see a larger difference.

[SDGlock23]

Really? I suppose you have data or studies to back up what your saying? I did not think so. The .40 has a capacity of 19.3 grains of H2O and the 10mm is 24 grains which by my calculations is closer to 20% increase. Also the ft Lbs of energy in the 10mm is almost double in the same bullet weight. The 45acp has 200+ more ft lbs than the 40 in the same bullet weight. Even the 9mm with lighter bullets gives more energy than the 40. I suggest you do some research before giving opinion as fact.
Incorrect. Simply comparing the cases the .40 is no weaker than the 10mm in terms of it's ability to handle pressure. As a matter of fact, the .40 is a little stronger than the 10mm, much the same as the 357 Sig is tougher as well. Extra powder capacity is going to increase velocity yes, but since it's no higher pressure, all you're going to get is approx 100-150 fps when both are loaded "warm".

I can't blame you for your response as you simply aren't knowledgeable about the topic. Does the 10mm have almost double the energy when using the same weight bullet? Not a chance. Lets take a warm 10mm shooting a 180gr at 1450 fps and compare that to a warm .40 shooting a 180gr at 1350. That's 840 ft-lbs (10mm) compared to 728 ft-lbs (.40 S&W). You can do basic math, right? That's not double.

What's a .45 going to push a 185gr at? Lets say 1200-1250 fps. That's 100-150 fps slower than a warm .40, and it certainly doesn't have 200+ more ft-lbs, it has less, not more. I can better the .40 using the .45 Super, but not .45 ACP. Show me a warm 9mm that has more energy than warm .40. I've loaded 124gr bullets at 1350 fps in the 9mm, but I've launched 135gr bullets over 1800 fps from a .40. Seems like I backed up my side, what about you?

[josephbw]

We have a big coon problem out here in the country. I've shot them with 32acp, 9mm, and .40 with pistols. As anyone that has ever dispatched a coon knows, they are tough little buggers.

On 2 separate occasions I have taken a similar shot on 2 coons that were running away from me at about a 45 degree angle. Both were hit in almost the same spot, entering the upper rear side angled toward the opposite front leg. The one shot with the 9, kept running and I had to shoot him again. I didn't see an exit wound on either shot.

However the one shot with my SA40SC, dropped him in his tracks on the first shot with most of his intestines laying on the ground beside him. It was a devastating wound with very impressive destruction.

Both guns were shooting my reloads using Hornady hollow point bullets. If I remember right, the 9 had 124 gr., and the 40 had either 155 or 165 gr. bullets. That's the real world comparison I have with the 9 and 40, you're mileage may vary. :)

[Arbo]

Holy crap, much too much technical and emotional stuff.

9, 40 and 45 will all kill if it needs to happen to defend yourself. So find a gun you are comfortable with in any of the 3 and use that.

I own all three and my view is 180 degrees out with most people... first the bullet isn't what makes an accurate shot as some seem to suggest. And to me, 40 and 45 have much more tame kicks than any 9 I have shot, or should I say less snappy. But I will continue to shoot and practice them all.

[mnhntr]

Incorrect. Simply comparing the cases the .40 is no weaker than the 10mm in terms of it's ability to handle pressure. As a matter of fact, the .40 is a little stronger than the 10mm, much the same as the 357 Sig is tougher as well. Extra powder capacity is going to increase velocity yes, but since it's no higher pressure, all you're going to get is approx 100-150 fps when both are loaded "warm".

I can't blame you for your response as you simply aren't knowledgeable about the topic. Does the 10mm have almost double the energy when using the same weight bullet? Not a chance. Lets take a warm 10mm shooting a 180gr at 1450 fps and compare that to a warm .40 shooting a 180gr at 1350. That's 840 ft-lbs (10mm) compared to 728 ft-lbs (.40 S&W). You can do basic math, right? That's not double.

What's a .45 going to push a 185gr at? Lets say 1200-1250 fps. That's 100-150 fps slower than a warm .40, and it certainly doesn't have 200+ more ft-lbs, it has less, not more. I can better the .40 using the .45 Super, but not .45 ACP. Show me a warm 9mm that has more energy than warm .40. I've loaded 124gr bullets at 1350 fps in the 9mm, but I've launched 135gr bullets over 1800 fps from a .40. Seems like I backed up my side, what about you?
I do not know in what fairytale land you live in but you have no clue about what you are saying. Show me a .40 that makes over 625 ft lbs and I will show you a Kboom. You simply have no factual data to back up your claims so you are not being honest. Sorry but you need to do some research. +p 180gr 40 ammo makes under 500 ft lbs while 10mm makes 730 ft lbs with the same bullet. You are dead wrong and until you show facts and not your apinion and made up numbers you have nothing.
Most people will agree Buffalo Bore makes some of the stoutest factory ammo.
From their website:
Heavy .40 Smith & Wesson +P Ammo - 180 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point (1,100 fps/M.E. 484 ft. lbs.)
45 ACP +P Ammo - 185 gr. J.H.P. (1,150 fps/M.E. 543 ft. lbs.)
Heavy 10mm Ammo - 180 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point - J.H.P. (1,350fps/M.E. 728 ft. lbs.)
You can do basic reading right?

[mnhntr]

And from Double tap's website
The 180gr Nosler JHP @ 1100fps from a Glock 23

1050fps 441 ft/lbs from a 3.5"bbl.

1140fps 520 ft/lbs from a 4.5"bbl.


Caliber : .40 S&W

Bullet : 180gr Nosler JHP

Ballistics : 180gr. @ 1100fps / 484 ft/lbs- Glock 23 (4.0"bbl)


Caliber : 10mm

Bullet : 200gr Nosler JHP

Ballistics : 1250fps / 694ft lbs. muzzle - 5"bbl
1083fps / 521 ft lbs 100yds 5"bbl
Glock 29 - 1195fps Muzzle




Caliber : .45ACP

Bullet : 185gr. Nosler JHP

Ballistics : 1200fps - 592 ft./lbs. - 5" 1911

[willypete]

For example a 180gr leaving a 6" 10mm at 1450 fps (very warm load) compared to a 180gr leaving a 6" .40 at 1350 fps (also a warm load). Same with heavier 200gr, say a warm 10mm at 1350 vs a warm .40 at 1250. As stated, when you buy your ammo you will generally see a larger difference.

Riiiiiight... :uhoh:

I can see those loads working. Out of a 610 revolver, using H110.

But not a semi-automatic.

Since you've been reloading both .40 S&W and 10mm for years, you'd know that 10mm operates at higher pressures than .40 S&W ;).

Holy crap, much too much technical and emotional stuff.

9, 40 and 45 will all kill if it needs to happen to defend yourself. So find a gun you are comfortable with in any of the 3 and use that.

Probably the best post in this thread, so far.

[Spdracr39]

Just wondering while were at it. What is the best Type/Brand oil to use in my car ?

I can't believe we are only at two pages :)

[psyopspec]

I'm the source, I've handloaded for both the 10mm and .40 for years. There is a potential issue with that of course, and that is if you don't handload and have to buy your ammunition you're likely to see around 20 to 25%. From what I've loaded as well as taking into account what others load is where I get my 7-8%.

Thanks for the response. You are correct in assuming that I don't reload. I will one day, but for now my living situation doesn't allow for it.

[kgpcr]

It lets the air out of bad guys faster than a 9mm due to the larger hole. It has just as much mag capacity and is lighter to carry than my .45. I love the .40! Millions of people agree with me

[Arbo]

Just wondering while were at it. What is the best Type/Brand oil to use in my car ?

I can't believe we are only at two pages :)
Oil for your car? Hmm.. notice in general most of it has '40' in it. Just sayin'. ;)

[bds]

Numbers don't lie.

Over the years, I have transitioned from Federal Hydra-Shok to Winchester Ranger T to Speer Gold Dot to Remington Golden Saber. My decision to carry 40S&W G27 with 165 gr JHP over 45ACP 185 gr JHP/9mm 124 gr +P JHP is based on these comparative numbers:

Speer Gold Dot 40S&W 165 gr HP
Muzzle Velocity - 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy - 484 ft/lbs

Speer Gold Dot 45ACP 185 gr HP
Muzzle Velocity - 1050 fps
Muzzle Energy - 453 ft/lbs

Speer Gold Dot 9mm +P 124 JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1220 fps
Muzzle Energy: 410 ft/lbs


Remington Golden Saber 40S&W 165 gr JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1150 fps
Muzzle Energy: 485 ft/lbs

Remington Golden Saber 45ACP 185 gr JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1015 feet per second
Muzzle Energy: 423 ft/lbs

Remington Golden Saber 9mm +P 124 JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1180 fps
Muzzle Energy: 384 ft/lbs

[willypete]

Oil for your car? Hmm.. notice in general most of it has '40' in it. Just sayin'. ;)

I use 0-30 full synthetic :p


It's still remarkable to me that some people will justify ammo selection a) based on energy, period; b) based on energy figures that are probably within a standard deviation of the ammunition sampled c) based on numbers, period when it's been demonstrated again and again that terminal performance is nearly identical across the board using premium self-defense ammo. :confused::banghead::scrutiny:

[Dlowe167]

good caliber,ammo is cheaper now its more popular. I've got a CZ P-06 in .40,trigger job,crimson trace grips,never leaves my side. Afte 4000rds,what ive learned about .40 is its snappier,loud,the pressure is why im guessing,also stock up on it stores run out quick even before the gun panic. Good caliber,i was a .45 guy.