[geegee]

It really is a good deal, and having taken two courses from these guys at Gunstock, I'll tell you that we'd really be getting our money's worth. Remember though, that the $35 wouldn't cover your ammo for the course, but you guys would probably be sending just as much downrange that week anyway. :D

[TechBrute]

I'm in on the course.

[orangeninja]

Excuse me...I mean either Sat. or Sun. the weekend of the 17th.

[TechBrute]

I propose a poll, either here or on the Yahoo group.

[geegee]

Before we get too willing to commit to a date, let's check the calendar for the guys at TIGER Valley. This will show events being held both here at the local location, as well as Waco.

http://tigervalley.com/calendar.htm

The facilities are good, but the instructors are few, so it's not like there are teams of them to handle all the courses simultaneously. geegee

[RRTX]

Looks like they have a big competition going on the weekend of the 16-18, you might want to email them to see when is a good time geegee. I'm free pretty much every weekend so the date doesn't matter much to me.

[DonNikmare]

The yahoo thing is cool.

Feel free to share my contact info.

The course idea sounds very appealing especially since one of us knows how good the instructors are. $35 sounds reasonable too.

How far is T.I.G.E.R. Valley from DFW?

Nik

[CZSteve]

I'm open to either Sat or Sun.
Talking about @ the Shooting Gallery again?

BTW: Stopped by the Shooting Gallery after work today and they were having their 1st IDPA shoot.

Went over after shooting and watched them a bit.
Spoke briefly w/ Greg Whitmore - Pres. of IDPA Dallas. He was there to get the Cross Timbers (FW IDPA up and running).
Looked to be about 35+ people there, assuming was a mix of Cross Timbers and Dallas IDPA.
Greg said it looks like they are going to be doing a semi-monthly gig here in FW @ the Shooting Gallery.

Contacts:
http://www.idpa.com/clubs.asp?Organization=I%20D%20P%20A%20-%20Dallas
http://www.idpa.com/clubs.asp?Organization=Cross%20Timbers%20I%20D%20P%20A

Andrew is the primary contact for here in Ft. Worth. Did not have a chance to talk w/ him.
Had 2 courses of fire set in the over-flow range we were last Sunday. on each side.
Looks like TONS of FUN.

P.S. Free to share my info on Yahoo

[CZSteve]

GeeGee,

Didn't realize TIGER had a location in Dallas.

Are we talking about doing the course here or in Waco? Just curious.
I'm game either place. Sounds like a bargain at twice the price.:D

What type of course are considering or do they suggest?

[geegee]

I'm free pretty much every weekend so the date doesn't matter much to me.
Just so everyone is clear on this, we don't necessarily have to do a weekend. There is a possibility of doing something during the week, since we're basically talking about a two hour course. Just a thought.

How far is T.I.G.E.R. Valley from DFW?
Nik-very easy to get to. It's actually part of the Elm Fork Range, located on Luna Rd, off of 635. Definitely easier to get to than the one outside of Waco!

http://tigervalley.com/north.htm

[geegee]

What type of course are considering or do they suggest?

Here's the answer I received from T.J. Pilling, so you can see there will be plenty of courses we could request:

You bet, we have a 10 person requirement on the number of students. We can do it in the evening or on a weekend. The cost per shooter is $35.00. We have done several 2 hour mid-week classes. The last one was a low light class. We can cover a wide range of shooting topics like moving and shooting, moving targets, shooting from concealment, or what every you guys desire. Let me know

[RRTX]

ah ok, during the week is fine with me too. I work over by the airport so it wouldn't be far

[DonNikmare]

With two little kids I would only be able to do Sat. or Sun.

Sat. any time
Sun. in the afternoon

Nik

[orangeninja]

"Just so everyone is clear on this, we don't necessarily have to do a weekend. There is a possibility of doing something during the week, since we're basically talking about a two hour course. Just a thought. "



Don't get me wrong...I'm motivated, but I would really need that date as far in advance as possible so that I can be sure to be off of work. It would suck gigantic nuts to get called in to work while sitting at a shooting range in Waco.

Besides...I don't want people missing out because we chose a weekday...if Nik can't make a week day, let's do it on a Sat. or Sunday. We can make a day of it. Can you say "ICE CHEST"? and "BEER"? after the shooting of course.:p

What course are we going to take?

[DonNikmare]

:D Just got approval from my wife for up to $300 on a rifle. Birthdays and tax returns are great :D Persistance pays off too - hehehe.

So, it's looking like I might be properly equipped for a rifle shoot too. :evil:

Any suggestions for a good semi auto rifle for under or just around $300 are welcomed. I'm gonna need something that eats some sort of inexpensive ammo. Right now I'm considering SKS or AK but are there any other good ones out there?

I'm excited now! :D

Nik

[orangeninja]

Saiga....you won't get a decent AK for under 300.00. Avoid those Romanian things like the plague unless you "LIKE" to rebuild a gun you just bought. You can actually get a Saiga with a 22 inch barrel in the wood furniture, which is what I am desperately searching for. Otherwise get an EXCELLENT condition Yugo SKS from SOG AND a Russian Mosin Nagat 91/30 for your pinpoint accuracy shooter and still have about 75.00 left for scopes, stocks or ammo.

I am going to get one of the Nagats. I was tempted to get a Mitchel's Mauser for 200.00 as they are 8mm wonder's in terms of accuracy. But the Mosin and Mauser are both bolts. The Mosin's are available from SOG for 59.00....get a halfways decent Tasco and ATI stock and you have dropped a grand total of less than 200.:D


Me? I'm going for an SKS since....
1. there are a million after market mods and parts for them, you can turn it into anything your heart desires...except MOA at 300 yds..
2. they shoot the cheapest crappiest (cheapest) ammo on God's wonderful earth and they beg for more.
3. they won't be around forever.
4. Saiga is out of stock everywhere you call, though you could try CDNN.
5. Excellent condition ones? can be had for 120.00 and the Unissued ones for anywhere from 159.99-179.99.

[TechBrute]

Here are my thoughts on the stuff I missed last night:

I'd like to do an informal rifle shoot for April, not a Tiger Valley shoot (but I'll go with the group consensus). I'd also like to get 30 days notice on the course so I can actually schedule it. It think most of us have families so the more notice we have, the better.

I think I'd like to do a pistol course first at Tiger Valley. Alduro and Nik will have unproven rifles and will need some range time to get any kinks worked out. I could use some range time, too. Also, do we all have equipment to do a carbine course? You'd need a semi-auto rifle with detachable mags, and I think some of our group are ill-prepared for that. I'll be posting a poll on Yahoo about that.

Nik, I don't know if you are stuck on an AK, but Cetmes can be had for that price range, as well.

[TechBrute]

I just posted a few polls on Yahoo for our information regarding some courses.

Alduro, as our elected (oh, did we forget to tell you?) leader, let's get an event, date, and location nailed down for April. We've talked about several things, so if everyone could weigh in ASAP as to what/when/where we'd like to do, we could get the ball rolling.:D

[Hawk]

OK, I gotta confess ignorance on my part relative to the training polls.

What is the proper equipment for:

1. A handgun course? Apart from the handgun, that is :confused: Never having been to one - I get the impression one is supposed to bring a full sized sidearm and OWB holster. True? If one should actually train with what one carries in the Texas summer, I could see the class slowing down while I fish a P7 out of a Kramer confidant :o Texas winter might see the occasional P7 from a Versa Max IWB - better but still slow and not usable for most of the year.

Admittedly, the Kramer results in a draw from concealment that can be timed with a sundial, but I haven't come up with an alternative yet. Until I learn to conceal a full-sized 1911 with a tucked-in shirt, using an OWB would seem about as real-life relevant as training for cowboy action shooting. Any input appreciated. My CHL has gone mostly unused and this might be a good time to rectify that.

2. A carbine course - I think I'm good to go - There's an as yet unfired frankengun in the safe - Rock River AR lower with Bushy dissipater upper. It is, however, "bare" - A2 sights, no sling, no light, no red dot - no nothin'. Would this work?

3. Shotgun - this poll I could answer: dont' own one. :o
I had some half-baked plans to get a stagecoach double for possible CAS - a shottie course pretty much needs a pump or semi, right?

[tiberius]

What do you guys think of having the next get together on April 16 or 17? Will that work for everybody?

As I posted earlier, this is the ONE weekend that I cannot make it. How about the next weekend of 4/24 & 4/25 instead?

The short training s sound very cool. I voted for handguns first just because I actually carry one most every day. Curious though, why the emphasis on carbine instead of rifle? What am I missing?

[geegee]

I'll add my .02 here. It would seem that while everyone would be on board for some handgun training, not everyone will be able to do a rifle course. That's no problem. It's not like we have to get everything done all at once. Many of us expressed a desire to make a THR get together a monthly (or so) event, so let's start with the basics. To that end, I would suggest a basic defensive pistol course.

I'll contact TJ Pilling again and run it by him. His partner tought a great Def. Pistol course one afternoon at Gunstock, and I'm sure it's one that all would benefit from. He covered a heck of a lot: drawing from a holster, tactical re-loads, hitting multiple targets, etc. I'm not saying that's what our course would be, because I don't know, but if they would offer something like that it would be great. I'll be back once I get some info. geegee

[TechBrute]

Hawk, I apoligize. I had meant to detail what you should have, but I didn't think people would respond so quickly. (Should have known. :D)

Handgun:
Needed: Handgun, holster, mags or speedloaders (or moonclips:D), holder for reloads (magpouch, etc.), concealment garment (vest or light jacket works great), safety gear.
Recommended: Kneepads, water, hat, "tactical" flashlight (if everyone's equipped then we have an option to go to low-light shooting.

Shotgun:
Needed: Repeating shotgun, ammo holder, safety gear.
Recommended: Sling and sidearm for transition drills, kneepads, water, hat.

Carbine:
Needed: Semi-auto rifle with detachable mags, mags, mag holders, safety gear.
Recommended: Sling and sidearm for transition drills, kneepads, water, hat.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. If someone can jump in and fill in where I missed, that would be great.

Tiberius, maybe it's just semantics. When I think rifle, I think 100 yards+. When I think carbine, I think from CQB up to 100yds. That's just what's in my mind. If you've got other ideas, please share! :D

[TechBrute]

Oh yeah, whatever weekend is fine with me. I have a rather large project going down during April, so my availablility will be hit or miss. If I can't make it, I'll just catch up with y'all in May.

[tiberius]

Tiberius, maybe it's just semantics. When I think rifle, I think 100 yards+. When I think carbine, I think from CQB up to 100yds. That's just what's in my mind. If you've got other ideas, please share! That's cool with me as long as I can use my M-1A, which ain't no carbine :D

I do have an SKS and .44Mag winchester 94 trapper which are real carbines but use the M-1A for serious stuff.

[TechBrute]

That's cool with me as long as I can use my M-1A, which ain't no carbine Where's that jealousy smiley? I've wanted an M1A for a while, but I keep putting off getting one. Most of my "serious" rifles are bolt action.

[aguyindallas]

I am open to almost any weekend in April. I do have only one problem. I have to work EVERY Saturday, so I can only come on Sunday's. A handgun class would be fun. I think I am equipped well enough, other than having a tactical light which would prevent me from a low light shoot. For shotgun, I need to change the stock on my hand cannon and I believe I would be properly equipped. Sounds like fun. Although the Shooting Gallery was quite a drive for me, I don't really mind. I think its going to end up being the best place for us to shoot regularly simply because we can reserve that whole range, the exhaust system works great, they have the nice little lounge area and we can shoot rifle there too (somewhat limited in range space, but ok). I bet if we proved to be good folks to them, they would even let us shoot the occasional shotgun in there too (alduro, your thoughts).

Also, I am no where close to being rifle course equipped, but it would be fun to at least watch you guys even if I dont participate.

[TechBrute]

I think I am equipped well enough, other than having a tactical light which would prevent me from a low light shoot. Obviously I wouldn't expect you get a light just for this course, but a Surefire G2 can be had for around $30, if you wanted to go that route.

[tiberius]

I should have put SERIOUS in quotes too. :)

I'm lacking a good precision bolt gun. It's on my list after I complete the AR.

[TechBrute]

Sundays often work better for me when getting together. I guess that's Steve's only option, so whatever weekend we decide for April, I'd like to see it on a Sunday. Anybody have a problem with Sundays?

[orangeninja]

Sunday's work great for me.


" I bet if we proved to be good folks to them, they would even let us shoot the occasional shotgun in there too (alduro, your thoughts). "


I bet they would eventually let us, I will see if I can work out a special arragement....like we would only use 7 1/2 shot for practice or somthing. Which will be fine for close in shooting, it takes a few yards for patterns to spread.

tiberius: for a good really accurate bolt try a Mitchel's Mauser 8mm or one of the SOG Mosin Nagat's 7.62x54 which are going for about 59.00. Drop it in an ATI stock with a bent bolt and scope and you've spent less than 200.00 for what I have been told is an outstandingly accurate rifle. I can PERSONALLY attest to the accuracy of an 8mm Mauser made on German machines...."Tack Driver", thy name is K98...or 48 for the Yugo's.

I do not personally feel myself properly equipted for a rifle course...about the best I could do is an SKS using stripper clips. I'm not sure how well that would work out but I would avoid the CETME or CMTE whatever. It seems that quality control is pretty low for those things....you never know what you're gonna get. I might just wind up getting a plinker from Oly arms...to satisfy the AR nuts...though I personally would prefer a nice scoped sniper type rifle.

[Hawk]

Sunday's are good by me.

I believe DFW Gun is OK with shotguns. I know I've seen 'em used there. This is, after all, the crowd that lets me air out the Rigby on an indoor range that is separated from the lounge by nothing more than a window. I suspect I prove to be a mild distraction to those watching movies. Lucky for them I'm done for the day after (at most) 5 rounds.

My experiences with my two M-N's are hit & miss. One of the cut-down numbers seems to shoot well; the one with the counterbore in lieu of re-crown might as well be a smoothbore. I'm looking forward to trying a K98 based on Alduro's comments.

Until that happens, the all time tack-driving, slick action, nice trigger mil-surp is the Swiss K-31. Too bad the ammo is spendier than the 8mm.

[TechBrute]

Late notice, but I'll be at Winchester tomorrow breaking in a newbie about 2PM. He's never shot before, so this will be his first impression of shooters. Oh yeah, he votes, too.

Doin what I can for the RKBA! (Alduro, that stands for Right to Keep and Bear Arms. :D)

[DonNikmare]

I really liked the Shooting gallery set up for handgun shooting. It was great to have everyone shooting at the same time and not have to call an all clear every time a target needed changing as it would have been at an outdoor range.

I like the outdoor range for a rifle shoot and/or handgun class. The gallery's rifle set up is a little limited - it was kinda crammed with 2 guys shooting and 4 or 5 watching.

Regarding dates the April 20 something weekend is better for me but I would try to make whichever one we settle on.

Thanks for the rifle advice....I'll post my query in the rifle section which I have not visited.

Nik

[orangeninja]

"Alduro, that stands for Right to Keep and Bear Arms"


Really? I thought it stood for "Right to Kick Brute's @$$!":evil:

And I was just about to get one of those to.

Hey, a dude is buying my Beretta 92>......how cool is that? Looks like I might be able to get an AR after all. I think I am going to get the Olympic Arms Plinker....since anything more expensive I would be drawn and quartered by my future wife for getting. Besides, the next step up that Techbrute recommended would STILL need optics before you could shoot it. MAJOR bummer. Open sights with a plinker will have to do.


OR an Armalite 180....which is what my dealer recommends. Any of you guys have experience with either of these?

[TechBrute]

I thought it stood for "Right to Kick Brute's @$$!" Touche! :D

I think I am going to get the Olympic Arms Plinker You're killing me... Spend the extra $150... Confucious say, "buy quality and you only cry once. Buy crap and you cry all the time."

Just kidding. The plinkers are not complete crap, IMHO the big weakness is their configuration with the fixed A1 carry handle. You really should spend the extra and get a flat-top. Put some iron sights or a carry handle on it and you are GTG. Then you'll have more flexibility later.

I've never fired a 180, but everything I've heard was positive.

[Billmanweh]

so what does an AR-15 cost anyway?

[TechBrute]

so what does an AR-15 cost anyway? $600 and up. Most fall in the $700-900 range. Like anything else, the sky's the limit. Having $2500 in the upper by itself isn't unheard of, and $1500 for a pre-ban lower isn't that bad, either. Then you could upgrade the stock to a Magpul M93 for $250 and have yourself a nice $4250 rifle. Oh yeah... forgot to put optics or sights on that... you get the drift.

I'd probably opt for spending $700ish on a used flat-top and then getting some iron sights for it.

Alduro, I don't know the deal with the LEO-only rifles, but they come up for sale in the ARFCOM equipment exchange periodically for $650-$750. They can have all the pre-ban goodies that peasants can't be trusted with. Might as well use one of those perks, right?

What's a Plinker going for these days, anyway?

[Hawk]

AR-15's can be most anything one would want them to be...

TechBrute might verify (from shooting my STI) that I can be somewhat anal-retentive about triggers. My first AR was a Rock River Varmint EOP 24" with a NM 2 stage trigger and Hubble space telescope (actually a Springer 6-20 MilDot) bolted to the top - likely not recognizable as an AR.

My only other AR started life when I found out Sarah B. was litigating Bushmaster after the beltway incident. I bought a Dissipater upper for MSRP from their (Bushmaster's - not Brady's) web site. Later on, I got a Rock River lower which came together into a frankengun I thought sucked - trigger has been replaced with an "Accuracy Speaks" product and now I can live with it. Safety engagement is a little rough due to the hack that assembled it (unh, ME) :o

Two guns that couldn't be more different - a most adaptable weapon. I'm just starting to learn.

Ironically enough, without the '94 ban and Sarah's grave dance, I never would have discovered either - I bought 'em out of sheer spite. The first because of Clinton, the second because of Sarah. I hope they're both proud.

Up until the political mess, AR's were at the bottom of my list - I mean, every time you pulled the trigger (no mean feat in itself) you got...
Pop....SPROING
Pop....SPROING
I've learned to like it - welcome to the dark side.

[RRTX]

The main problem with the plinker is that it is a cast reciever, you can find an olympic with a forged receiver for ~100 bucks more. I paid 550 for my olympic PCR2 in like new condition. I wish it was a removable carry handle, but I can still mount some sort of optics and use the fixed sights as well. Speaking of which, TechBrute I need to try out your aimpoint :D I'm good for any weekend in april for the GTG so lets set what works best for everyone. As far as the courses go, I agree that it seems everyone is a little better prepped for a handgun course. I'm not in a huge hurry on that, I'd prefer to have my 1911 in hand for it as that is going to be my carry weapon. :evil:

[TechBrute]

Speaking of which, TechBrute I need to try out your aimpoint I'll be at the range tomorrow, and should be at the next get-together. Any time!

Dude, I TOTALLY forgot that the Plinker has a cast reciever!! EWWWWWW!! Avoid cast recievers!! EWWWW...:barf: :barf:

[RRTX]

What time are you gonna be there tomorrow? Winchester right? I may have to come out there, I need to try and finish getting my AR sighted in anyway

[TechBrute]

I'll be at Winchester around 2 tomorrow. I'm picking up my buddy at 1 and we are going to get some ammo somewhere and then drop by the gun shop across the street so I can finger some rifles and then will be at the range after that. Probably 230 at the latest, but if you're coming I'll make the effort to be on time. :D

[Hawk]

I've got a couple - three hundred rounds of some kind of Swiss surplus 5.56 FMJ that's been gathering dust for a while.

Let me know if you feel like burning some of it up. According to Eric at Ammoman.com, it's supposed to be pretty accurate stuff.

[RRTX]

I should be able to make it, no big deal if you are a little late though I'll just browse around the gun shop since I haven't been in there lol. I keep seeing all these good deals on 5.56 and I can't take any of them up...... damn match chambered .223 :cuss:

[TechBrute]

Hawk, you gonna be there? If so, bring it on. I've got some .45 I can swap you, or throw some dinero your way, your choice.

[Hawk]

See ya around 2:00. I'll bring a couple hundred rounds of Swiss. I'm short on .45 but need to shoot the AR anyhow.

You got any .44 that I won't need a mallet to hammer out of the model 29? I'm still stinging from that PMC from the first meet. I'm feeling guilty about what I might have done to your Anaconda.

Actually, I'm rather looking forward to trying out my newbie AR's - don't worry about anything other than burning the Swiss stuff.

[orangeninja]

Techbrute....ALRIGHT!!! I won't get a plinker....jeezzz. You beat me down. But neither will I get an AR 15...my fiancee just spent that money on flowers for the wedding.:cuss: FLOWERS!!!!!!

So it looks like I still may go Soviet, Combloc or Russian...whatever you want to call it. But my "rifle of the people" will take on any "capitalist bourgeoisie scum, the rise of the proletariat assault weapon is imminent":neener:

I will name my new nation...the peoples republic of cheese.:D

I wish I could meet you guys at the range tomorrow...are ya'll sure you don't want to go on sunday instead?:scrutiny:

It was worth a try.:)

Hawk...are we still on for 1PM Sunday afternoon at DFW gun?

[Hawk]

Alduro -

We're still on.

[roo_ster]

Hundreds of dollars on flowers. Welcome to the club! Just wait until you find out how much a stinkin' CAKE costs...

Maybe I can put how much OUR cake cost in terms y'all can appreciate:

2 SW1911s
or
6 Unissued Yugo M48 Mausers
or
12 Yugo SKSs, across the street from the range
or
5 used S&W K-frame .38spl
or
1 STI Trojan 6.0
or
3 Dillon 650 Presses
or
6 used Rem 870s
or
16,000 rounds of milsurp 7.62x54

OK, I gotta stop now, before you see a grown man cry...

We paid for our own wedding...and had it all paid off within months. Being in debt for discretionary purchases is for the birds.

[orangeninja]

jfruser....YOU"RE NOT HELPING!!!!:cuss:


If she wants cake to eat....she can EAT ME!:banghead:


Actually...I lucked out, her Aunt made the cake for free, she used to do it for a living. But I still seem to be going friggin' broke. ***?!?!? Where does it all go?:confused:

Now I'm gonna cry at the wedding...instead of seeing roses...I'm watching my would be AR15 being slowly demolished.:uhoh:

[CZSteve]

Hey alduro,

Just wait for the 'rug-rats' to show up.

Something about food vs. ammo?
I thought ammo was food:rolleyes:

But hey, it's all good.
Already have a target on the wall in the game room for the 3 yr old to shoot w/ his 'lego' guns.:D

[TechBrute]

My wedding was "spoiled" by one of my consulting clients that was in to Harleys. I was about to buy a V-Rod before we got married. Wife decided to have a fancy wedding instead. Every time I walked past the guy, he'd whisper "could have had a V-Rod."
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=897973
You'll learn. My wife would have never known about the $400 (or whatever) you got from the M9. If you don't tell your wife what guns you have, you don't have to explain the new one or where the old one went. Get a safe to "hide" them in. Then make up a combination and tell it to her when you guys are doing something. She won't write it down and she forgets what it is. That, plus the fact she has no interest in them whatsoever. :D

[TechBrute]

Something going down at 1 tomorrow?

[aguyindallas]

Yeah, I think Sunday @ 1:00, Alduro and Hawk are meeting at DFW in Dallas on Mockingbird...pretty sure about that.

Hey, thanks all for being supportive of my only 1 weekend day off work schedule. It sucks, but thats the biz I am in. Saturday's are just not an option for me. I do appreciate your consideration though.

As a side note, I am "usually" off at noon on most Wednesdays if someone wants to get together once in a while for some plinking.

[orangeninja]

1 PM.....DFW Gun.....Sunday....(tomorrow)

[geegee]

Here's some additional info to chew over. I asked TJ Pilling about doing a defensive handgun course, similar to the one his partner John taught at Gunsite. I also asked about the availability of dates at TIGER Valley in Dallas. Here's his response:

We have April 11th open or May 9th, or May 23rd all are Sundays. I just left the range with a shooter who shot 1000 rounds shooting drills in four hours. We can do anything you guys want as far a pistol goes. Let us know what you have in mind. The only time John will be available will be May 23
As you can see, they're willing to work with us if we can nail down a date. Comments?

[orangeninja]

May 23rd...is very bad for Alduro...it's my soon to be wife's Birthday..and she'll absolutely spend MORE of my hard earned cash if I take a day of training that day. April 11th might be good but May 9th would be way better.

[geegee]

I'm good with any of them, so I'll go with the majority . geegee

[Billmanweh]

do we have an idea of the cost?

[geegee]

The price discussed with TJ Pilling was $35/person. This isn't cast in stone, as I'm sure it could change depending upon the number, but I think it's a safe target price. In addition of course, would be ammo costs. geegee

[Billmanweh]

ok, well you can count me in. may 9th would probably be best for me, but I could work any of those three dates in if necessary.

[TechBrute]

Date Poll HERE (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1192483) for the Tiger Valley training.

[aguyindallas]

May 23 looks goof for me for more than one reason...Fits pay schedules great for a large amount of ammor needed. Also, my birthday is May 20th, so it would be my gift to myself :D

[orangeninja]

BIRTHDAY?!?!? what are you gonna get yourself? an AR? a Sig? how about a nice speed feed for that Winchester?

I let Hawk give my 870 a whirl...he seemed to like it. Man what that thing does to paper....:D

Hey...I just noticed we have a private chat room...very cool...we should use it.:p

[orangeninja]

Guys I voted yes that I do have equipment for a carbine course but I gotta know...what do we actually need? What are the carbine requirements?

detachable mag?

pistol grip?

what?

[TechBrute]

Carbine:
Needed: Semi-auto rifle with detachable mags, mags, mag holders, safety gear.
Recommended: Sling and sidearm for transition drills, kneepads, water, hat.

That's just off the top of my head. I may have missed something.

Edited to add: Come to think of it, I guess you could get by with some types of rifles that don't have detachable mags, but it might be kind of awkward, and I'm not sure if you'd get your money's worth.

[TechBrute]

I'm going to be closing the Yahoo poll about what class to take first, tomorrow night. Get your votes in!

[orangeninja]

Hey I thought I would let you guys know here that I would be willing to meet 1 on 1 or 1 on 2 for personal handgun training to get you to more of an intermediate skill level concerning defensive handgun skills. I will meet with anyone willing to do this at the "Winchest Gallery" IF they are okay with issolating us....

my training is as follows:

1.) **** (you know where I work) qualified with Sig Sauer 229 .40 cal. & Remi 870 12 ga. Academy basics.

2.) Executive Specialist qualified....this will only be of pertinance for drawing from cover, all other stuff this covered is situational awareness etc. Oatman and Associates/Fed. (most may be taught WITHOUT pistol, red gun will suffice.

3.) Force on Force Defensive Tactics, Dallas PD and Strike Force intl. MUST have red gun or airsoft gun (better) and a LIVE weapon.

4.) Thunder Ranch....(scaled down version "on site") concerns room clearing, engagement, eviromental awareness, psychological states, tactics etc. Good stuff...most can be taught WITHOUT a gun, just need a red gun. Threat recognition.

you know the email

alduro@mailcity.com

also...anyone with specialized training in carbines or shotguns...email me, let's hook up.

Anyone interested will need about 300 rounds and a GOOD holster to draw from concealment. NO "soft" holsters like an Uncle Mikes IWB. Also will need snap caps if you're gun requires them for dry firing. A vest, button up shirt or whatever you would normally conceal a weapon with needed. This is a Buddy deal only...please don't invite someone I haven't met.:D

Not to be a jerk but I don't want to get shot trying to do someone a favor.:uhoh:

[DonNikmare]

I like the May 9th. The 23rd is our wedding aneversary and if you see me on that day it may be the last day you see me - lol

Alduro I like the above idea and you answered most of the questions I asked in the e-mail I just sent you.

Although the $85 for the 6 hour class sounds very reasonable the $35 sounds a lot better right now.

Nik

[TechBrute]

Did we nail down April 18 as the next shoot? Is it still rifle? Did we ever nail down a range? Gibsons? TDSA?

[orangeninja]

What did the vote say? Handgun....but I don't know what date.

[aguyindallas]

I think our April shoot is a rifle shoot and I was under the impression it is going to be at Gibsons... We probably need to firm this up by this weekend so we can all make arrangements.

I have started work on putting a web page together for us. I should have something for people to look at in the next 3-5 days. I will post on Yahoo when it is up. Remember...this is very preliminary and is free at this point. If we actually put it into action, we will of course have to pay for it, assuming we have enough interest. I think you will like it when you see it. I am working on getting a forum on there for us to use. This will likely be the most difficult part of it.

[aguyindallas]

I have just posted a new Poll at our Yahoo Group...please take a look.

[CZSteve]

Still haven't stepped up to the plate and gotten a rifle.
Wouldn't mine doing a rifle shoot if it would not be too much of a problem w/ sharing of the wealth. :rolleyes:

Have been considering getting an SKS sometime soon and would like to try that.

If this is kosher, what ammo should I get for some of you w/ long arms available?
7.62x39? .223? ???

[TechBrute]

For those of you that are rifle challenged, I have several ARs that I can bring, along with several bolt action rifles. I'm tossing around the idea of my first AK (I'll blame alduro for that), as well. Pretty much everything will be in .223, or 7.62x38 if I get an AK.

[orangeninja]

Techbrute....DON'T get the Romanian....I've heard some rough stuff about their accuracy (like an AK is accurate) and their sights are real iffy at best. I tried out Hawk's Yugo SKS and that thing ROCKS. It's heavy as any rifle I've ever seen though, could be that reenforced milled reciever. NOBODY has those friggin Saiga's in stock. If I get one, I'm thinking of a 22 incher in .308.

[TechBrute]

Right now I'm leaning towards the Robinsons Arms VEPR K.

[aguyindallas]

CZSteve:

You are more than welcome to sling lead with my SKS. I know you wanted to have a run at it last time but we ran out of time. I have got about 500 rounds of 7.62X39, so this should not be a problem.

[aguyindallas]

alduro...

.308=nice

[tiberius]

Rfifles yes, but I didn't think we decided on a date. 4/25 would be great for me as I cannot make it the earlier Sunday.

[TechBrute]

I am a poll whore.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1193754

Vote for the April date. I only put Sunday dates on there due to the expressed interest in Sundays being better for some, but there is a place to answer if that doesn't work for you.

[tiberius]

TB,

That's a good idea. I am generally pretty open to what dates we pick, just have a particular date I CAN'T use. Maybe the poll would be better if it asked "What date works worst for you" so we would pick the one that the fewest people have a problem with.

I know it's a subtle difference, but am I making sense? :)

[TechBrute]

Perfect Sense:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1193781

I am SUCH a poll whore. :D

[orangeninja]

We should have a poll over wether or not to have a poll.:neener:

Techbrute...VEPR's are awsome...they are also the most expensive AK type of rifle....figures you would get one.:cuss:

I wanted one of those:banghead:

okay...jeleous rant over.:rolleyes:

[TechBrute]

Techbrute...VEPR's are awsome...they are also the most expensive AK type of rifle....figures you would get one.

I wanted one of those

okay...jeleous rant over.

Well, you're one of the reasons I started considering them. However, you were talking about spending $300-$350 on some other AK (Saiga?) and then doing all this work to it so that it has some of the characteristics of the VEPR. Maybe I'm way off on my numbers, but $350 for the rifle, plus $100 in parts, and you're only $100 away from getting an actual VEPR. I've also heard that the finish and other cosmetics are much nicer, so if you add $$ to refinish it and such, it's a wash.

Actually, I don't really want an AK, I'm only getting one to piss you off. :neener: :evil: :D

[TechBrute]

We should have a poll over wether or not to have a poll.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1193930

:D

Sometimes work is reeeeeeeealy boring.

[patentnonsense]

OK I voted - snark.

[TechBrute]

Everyone who is interested in the Tiger Valley Handgun training, please weigh in so we can nail down a date:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1192483

[RRTX]

The only weekend in April not good for me is this coming weekend. I have to go down to the lease and shoot me some varmints :evil:

[patentnonsense]

Coyote? Hog? Squirrel?

[orangeninja]

Varmits= car theives, burglers and lawyers....:neener:


JUST KIDDING JUST KIDDING:p

[patentnonsense]

Too many dang lawyers, but pork tastes better!

[TechBrute]

I'll be closing the poll for the April shoot tomorrow evening. Everybody weigh in.

Are we decided on Gibson's for the venue?

[TechBrute]

Hey GeeGee! We should probably get the Tiger Valley details nailed down with TJ. We don't want to lose the weekend that we prefer. Right now it's pretty close in the poll on Yahoo that we set up, so whoever hasn't voted ought to jump in and vote ASAP.

[geegee]

OK, so which weekend do I tell him we want?

[TechBrute]

I'd say 05.23.04

That's what's ahead in the poll, and that's 4 weeks from the previous shoot. That will give everyone enough time to recover from the April shoot.

Anyone with dissenting opinions, speak up ASAP. We need to secure the date with TJ.

[RRTX]

I'm with TechBrute for May 23rd. That way I will have my 1911 in hand and broken in :D

[TechBrute]

I just bought a 1911, too. I need to get 500+ rounds though it to see if it's going to hold up.

[geegee]

That date works for me. Now we need to be sure we can get at least ten shooters. Who's in? geegee

[TechBrute]

Geegee,

I don't want to volunteer you for any actual work, but since you've taken point on this so far, maybe you could handle this:

I propose that the $35 fee be paid by the April shoot date. This way we'll have a definate head count, and if someone doesn't show, we'll still be able to have the class. If you're serious about coming, pony up the cash. I think this will help us avoid any wheel spinning that may occur.:D

Oh yeah, I'm totally in.

[RRTX]

I'm in :cool: I think Techbrute's idea is a good one..................maybe someone should make a poll about it :neener:

[TechBrute]

maybe someone should make a poll about it
You mean this one? (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1196928)

[geegee]

I propose that the $35 fee be paid by the April shoot date. This way we'll have a definate head count, and if someone doesn't show, we'll still be able to have the class. If you're serious about coming, pony up the cash. I think this will help us avoid any wheel spinning that may occur
Sounds like a plan to me! :D

One more time: who's in? geegee

[TechBrute]

One more time: who's in? geegee Here you go: Roll Call (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1196928)

[Billmanweh]

I guess I need to break in my new Glock 34 to make sure it works.

Oh wait, what am I thinking, it's a Glock, of course it works.



:rolleyes:

[patentnonsense]

I'm in!

[TechBrute]

Oh wait, what am I thinking, it's a Glock, of course it works. :D

We have 8 people committing to the Tiger Valley training, with 1 maybe so far. We need to get a couple more committments to make this work.

[aguyindallas]

I'm in!

[TechBrute]

We've only got 8 people signed up so far for the Tiger Valley training. There's a few missing that I think want to go, so I'll post the URL again:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1196928

If you want to go to the Tiger Valley training, please indicate it in the roll call.

[geegee]

Just so y'all know, I've emailed TJ, and am awaiting an answer. geegee

[geegee]

And here it is:

The process is in motion. 10 students two hours at $35.00 per shooter. Let me know the hour you want to start. If you don't have 10 let me know and I can probably fill the spots for you. We will move on drills as fast as individual skills will allow

So here's something we haven't discussed-the start and finish times. Suggestions? geegee

[aguyindallas]

I propose a little early...here is why:

If I recall, we are talking about May 23rd...correct me if I am wrong on the date...won't it be getting kinda warm this time of year? Maybe we can start this around 9:00.

Due to the date, it will likely interfere with a typical monthly group shoot if it were to be later in the day. Here is what I propose. We have the tactical class, grab a snack, meet up with the rest of the group for a little afternoon shooting at the range and go from there. This would assume that we wanted to meet at the range with the rest of the folks to shoot again.

I have a Ford Explorer and am happy to haul some folks around if we want to carpool to this thing...your thoughts?

[RRTX]

I like that plan :D ......... Oh ya picked up my new 1911 today :evil: now I need a holster

[Billmanweh]

9 or 10 am sounds fine to me

[TechBrute]

I agree with aguy's plan. Is it at TV north or south. I have a Surburban that we can use if my wife isn't doing anything that day.

[Lennyjoe]

I will be in Witchita Falls in May. If you have another get together then please let me know and I will be more than happy to attend.

I plan on traveling with at least a couple of my pistola's.

[tiberius]

Morning sounds good to me but why doesn't TB have a poll on this :confused: :D

[CZSteve]

I'm thinking closer to 10:00 if we're looking at moderate/considerate drive time.
However, flexible for whatever way is best for all.

[geegee]

Latest from TJ:You guys are confirmed for 05/23 at Elm Fork range (Dallas)

We're in good shape-just need to nail down the time. geegee

[aguyindallas]

I will post a poll.....

Beat ya to it TechBrute :evil:

[aguyindallas]

Please see the poll below:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1200188

[tiberius]

Latest from TJ:You guys are confirmed for 05/23 at Elm Fork range (Dallas) Excellent. I thought is was gonna be in Waco. Elm fork is really centrally located for all of us.

[TechBrute]

I will post a poll.....

Beat ya to it TechBrute :evil:

Yeah, I was in Oakland. Talk about lame, I was in Oakland for 3 days and was never free during Tadgear's (http://www.tadgear.com) business hours.:mad: :fire:

[geegee]

Yeah, I was in Oakland. Talk about lame, I was in Oakland for 3 days and was never free during Tadgear's business hours.
I can't imagine showing up in that place with a credit card! :what: Boy, would that bill take some 'splainin'. :scrutiny:

[TechBrute]

No kidding. The first half of my trip I was trying to figure out how to slip that past my wife. The second half of the trip was spent trying to figure out how to slip out of the meetings I was in. Since I was the presenter, it would have been a neat trick...

[orangeninja]

Man is this thread still going???? jeez....anyway...I've missed a couple of weeks...when is the class? I know it is 35 bones, but what date? I would really like to go...is it to late? I will accept answers from everyone EXCEPT Techbrute over if it is to late to get in....(too much competition for him):D

BTW....just got married....so I guess the gun purchases are about to come to a screeching SLOW DOWN.;)

[TechBrute]

just got married <taps>

:neener:

[TechBrute]

when is the class? I know it is 35 bones, but what date? I would really like to go...is it to late? I will accept answers from everyone EXCEPT Techbrute over if it is to late to get in....(too much competition for him) Yes, I'm cowering in front of your shooting prowess. :D

If you wanna come, jump in on this poll:
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/surveys?id=1196928

The $$ is due at the April shoot which is 04.25.04. The class is 05.23.04.

[orangeninja]

where and what time is the April shoot? I went to the range today to break in my new Saiga but was turned away because I had "destructive" ammo even though it was hollow point....:cuss:

Where can I get the Wolff ammo with the yellow triangle edge on the box?:banghead:

[TechBrute]

where and what time is the April shoot? Gibson's at noon on 04.25.04.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/THR_DFW/cal///group/THR_DFW/YYY,ce7802/srt,1/?v=2&t=1081595249

[geegee]

just got married....so I guess the gun purchases are about to come to a screeching SLOW DOWN.
Buddy, you have no idea! :neener:

Congrats, anyway. geegee

[orangeninja]

Thanks Gee Gee...I think:p

[DonNikmare]

Congratulations alduro!

Just be sure not to let that ring move from your finger to your nose. It's been known to happen to some men.

Getting an SKS and the Saigas was a wise thing to do I guess.

I did get to shoot my CETME with "destructive" 7.62x51 ammo at the Shooting Gallery:neener: The "bubba" that always wears the cammo pants was around and got the other guy to let me in. He had given me some pointers my first time at that range with my .38 over a year ago and I had just run into him at Military Antiques across the street a few days back. All I had to do was verbally contract to "keep it all on the paper." That "Bubba" is the most foul mouth person I have met in a long time - lol. He manages to put some explative in almost every sentence, sometimes two or three. I got lucky but don't know if he'll be around and be as drunk the next time I go.

I'm really looking forward to this shoot. :D
Nik

[orangeninja]

Yeah...he's pretty cool...the other guys are not nearly as cool. They turned me away more than once.