700X for 45acp?


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evolve23
February 21, 2013, 01:27 PM
Normal powder is out so I ordered the 700X as a substitute. Anybody have any good recipes?

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rcmodel
February 21, 2013, 01:33 PM
I bet the Hodgdon website does.

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

rc

JohnM
February 21, 2013, 01:43 PM
Why would anyone buy powder without checking that there were loads listed for it in the cartridge you want to reload?

Certaindeaf
February 21, 2013, 01:49 PM
It's times like these where people will discover that their precious favorite powder isn't really all that special.

ljnowell
February 21, 2013, 02:25 PM
Gonna need more info chief, like bullet weight, type, etc.

kingmt
February 21, 2013, 02:44 PM
John

There is no data for any round on most of the powders I own. Until I make it anyhow.

Just the way I like to roll.

JohnM
February 21, 2013, 03:04 PM
John

There is no data for any round on most of the powders I own. Until I make it anyhow.

Just the way I like to roll.

I don't go there, unless there's some reputable published data to use as a starting point.
Too old and set in my ways to get into that which is a whole different ball game.

hueyville
February 21, 2013, 03:35 PM
Mighty broad question with very little data other than powder type and intended caliber. Look it up in your manual for bullet of choice then work it out. What says a load that might shoot well in one of my guns will do so in yours? There is a very narrow window from low to high side thus only a matter of a few minutes to dial in the charge your gun likes at the range.

TonyT
February 21, 2013, 04:18 PM
My favorite bullseye pistol load for 50 ft & 25 yards is 3.8 gr. HS-700X, Rem LP behind a 185 gr. LSWC at ca 720 fps - a very mild and accurate load. Lot's of other data on the Hodgdon website.

BBQJOE
February 21, 2013, 04:29 PM
here is a link to get you to load info for 700x

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

mgmorden
February 21, 2013, 05:06 PM
Just as a heads up - from my experience IMR 700-X is the worst metering powder I've ever used. Goes bang just fine, but just due to metering variations in a group of 10 shots my velocity would vary by up to 100 fps.

9w1911
February 21, 2013, 05:17 PM
700x is special? hmm it would prob like to know that too. There is load data for it everywhere.

soloban
February 21, 2013, 05:58 PM
I tried it with 230 gr FMJs and it didn't have enough oomph. Was far to slow.

rcmodel
February 21, 2013, 06:05 PM
Slow it isn't.
It's actually quite fast.
You just didn't use enough of it.

4.9 grains will give you 842 FPS with a 230 grain FMJ.

Thats about a mil-spec hardball load.

rc

cfullgraf
February 21, 2013, 06:30 PM
700-X works great in the 45 ACP with 230 RN. It is about the only powder that I have used for the 45 ACP since 1980.

Jesse Heywood
February 21, 2013, 07:14 PM
Just as a heads up - from my experience IMR 700-X is the worst metering powder I've ever used.

Apparently from a loader who hasn't tried 800-X.

KansasSasquatch
February 21, 2013, 07:52 PM
Yeah......I laugh when people say Unique doesn't meter well. I bough some 800X about 3 months ago. Neither my Hornady powder measure nor my Lee PPM will drop a consistent load. I feel lucky if I can get .5 gr either direction of my desired charge. It sits on the self, waiting until everything else is gone.

soloban
February 21, 2013, 07:52 PM
Cornflakes meter better than 700x

Walkalong
February 21, 2013, 07:57 PM
I would have to call that an exaggeration. :)

It meters decently, about like other large flake powders. It shoots well though. It is good stuff with lead in .45 ACP. W231 and lead always shot better for me, but 700X and Solo 1000 were not far behind. It was a good choice since your usual powder could not be had right now. It works well with plated and "moly" (Precision) bullets as well. I have never tried it with jacketed.

cfullgraf
February 21, 2013, 08:12 PM
700-X works well with cast, plated, and jacketed 230 grain RN bullets. With the load I use, all three shoot with the same nominal velocity, 810-820 fps, and to the same point of aim.

I have probably loaded 700-X with other shaped bullets, but 230 RN is pretty much all that I have loaded in 20-25 years.

As far as metering, it meters about the same as Unique. No problems with and RCBS Little Dandy measure or a Redding 10-X. I did have some issues with the Hornady L-N-L on the Hornady progressive. But, I bought a Dillon SDB to try and it is dedicated to 45 ACP. The Dillon powder measure meters 700-X just fine.

Unique meters just fine for me as well.

I recently tried some 700-X in the 44 Special and liked that load. The 44 Special is loaded on the Hornady progressive with a case activated Redding 10-X powder measure.

There are other powders that work just fine in the 45 ACP but 700-X works for me.

Walkalong
February 21, 2013, 08:20 PM
.44 Special is why I bought a 5 pound can of 700X when my first purchase ran out. The first came in a paper bag from an old reloader.

BBQJOE
February 21, 2013, 08:34 PM
I'm really happy hearing all the positive things about 700x, since all my regular powders were out, and there was 2 lbs of it on the gunstore shelf, and it came home.

cfullgraf
February 21, 2013, 10:24 PM
I think you will find each container only has 14 ounces of 700-X in it. 700-X is a bit less dense than the "run-of-the-mill" powder.

Back when IMR powders came in metal tins for the one pound quantity, 700-X containers only had 1/2 pound.

gfanikf
February 21, 2013, 11:02 PM
Just as a heads up - from my experience IMR 700-X is the worst metering powder I've ever used. Goes bang just fine, but just due to metering variations in a group of 10 shots my velocity would vary by up to 100 fps.
Also got stuck in my lee auto disk pro and it became impossible to clean out. I have to return the auto disk now. Thank goodness for Cableas warranties.

Gik-tal
February 21, 2013, 11:49 PM
I've always used 700X in 45 ACP I use a 200 grain LSWC over 4.1 grains of 700X. Burns clean and gives an accurate load

ljnowell
February 22, 2013, 12:11 AM
Also got stuck in my lee auto disk pro and it became impossible to clean out. I have to return the auto disk now. Thank goodness for Cableas warranties.

Thats crazy, I have ran a buttload of it through my Lee auto disk and my auto disk pro. I never felt it metered great, but it made some clean burning accurate ammo.

joneb
February 22, 2013, 02:10 AM
A kind reloader gave me some 700X to try, it did not meter well in my powder throw so I measured it out for 44spl. 700x was every bit as accurate as my W231 loads.
Can't say for 45 acp, but I do have IMR data for 45acp using 700x if you need it.

gfanikf
February 22, 2013, 07:44 AM
Thats crazy, I have ran a buttload of it through my Lee auto disk and my auto disk pro. I never felt it metered great, but it made some clean burning accurate ammo.
Yeah, to state I wasn't amused by the experience would be a massive understatement. I'll see if I can take a pic of it later.

bluetopper
March 16, 2013, 03:29 PM
Just bought 4 jars of 700X for under $17 each along with some other stuff to offset shipping costs.

From my experience one fast pistol powder is about as good as another.......and there are many of them.
The ones I do stay away from are the ones that I know tend to pressure spike.

Trent
March 17, 2013, 02:38 PM
700X seems to be in ready supply, I just 2 lb of it locally yesterday, with 44 special in mind.

Drail
March 17, 2013, 02:54 PM
700X works just fine for .45 ACP (and many other handgun cartridges). But many powder measures will choke on it. You will get different charges between a full hopper and an almost empty one. It will bridge and flakes will be chopped. Be sure to check carefully that your measure is throwing consistent charges. Don't get in a hurry. I would hesitate to use it in a progressive setup.

soloban
March 17, 2013, 03:22 PM
I've tried it in .45ACP and found it to be anemic and metered like corn flakes in my Lee Powder measure. If you use it, try for a max load or near max.

Duztoff
March 17, 2013, 03:58 PM
Without any other parameters, here's a few from Lyman:

.45 ACP (Lyman Reloading Handbook 49th Edition)


Notes: cases: Remington, Federal; trim-to length: .888"; primers: Remington 2 1/2; primer size: Large Pistol; Lyman shell holder: No. 2; firearm used: Universal Receiver; barrel length: 5"; twist: 1-16"; groove dia.: .450"

Warning! Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.

Wt. Bullet Pwdr Mfr Powder Charge Vel (FPS)

185 Remington Jacketed SWC/FMJ IMR 700-X 3.4 675
Remarks: sugg. start load; 1.135" OAL; 7,900 cup

185 Remington Jacketed SWC/FMJ IMR 700-X 5.0 967
Remarks: max load; 1.135" OAL; 17,800 cup

185 Hornady Jacketed HP/XTP IMR 700-X 3.5 612
Remarks: sugg. start load; 1.175" OAL; 7,500 cup

185 Hornady Jacketed HP/XTP IMR 700-X 5.5 933
Remarks: max load; 1.175" OAL; 17,800 cup

200 Speer Gold Dot Jacketed HP IMR 700-X 3.3 597
Remarks: sugg. start load; 1.178" OAL; 7,400 cup

200 Speer Gold Dot Jacketed HP IMR 700-X 4.9 871
Remarks: max load; 1.178" OAL; 17,300 cup

225 Speer Jacketed HP IMR 700-X 3.1 549
Remarks: sugg. start load; 1.243" OAL; 7,500 cup

225 Speer Jacketed HP IMR 700-X 4.8 796
Remarks: max load; 1.243" OAL; 17,200 cup

230 Speer TMJ IMR 700-X 3.6 667
Remarks: sugg. start load; 1.275" OAL; 11,200 cup

230 Speer TMJ IMR 700-X 4.8 867
Remarks: max load; 1.275" OAL; 17,900 cup; potentially most accurate load

As someone above said, could provide better suggestions with some more data.
Oh, and as always, use at own risk... ;)

FROGO207
March 17, 2013, 10:27 PM
700-X is my GO TO propellant in the 45 ACP with 230 grain bullets of all types. Now, I batch load so I use a custom made propellant scoop for it. Way easier than fighting with a measure any day. I did find the Ideal #55 would work passably with 700-X when adjusted for the flake size however. Depending on the brand of 230 grain bullet I use 4.8 or 4.9 grains for clean accurate loads that shoot to point of aim that match GI hardball in all my handguns. plus I have about 4 kegs of the stuff left to use up.:D

ljnowell
March 17, 2013, 11:20 PM
700-X is my GO TO propellant in the 45 ACP with 230 grain bullets of all types. Now, I batch load so I use a custom made propellant scoop for it. Way easier than fighting with a measure any day. I did find the Ideal #55 would work passably with 700-X when adjusted for the flake size however. Depending on the brand of 230 grain bullet I use 4.8 or 4.9 grains for clean accurate loads that shoot to point of aim that match GI hardball in all my handguns. plus I have about 4 kegs of the stuff left to use up.


I found that the bigger the charge the much better it weighs, no doubt. My lee auto disk will do down to about 4.6gr with a little bit of a variance. I found that if I shoot for 4.8gr I never get too much, and it never goes below 4.6, which is a great load under a 200gr LSWC.

In 45 colt I am using a larger amount of it, like 6.5gr under a 255gr LSWC which is like .2gr over max with a 250gr LRN. It shoots like a dream.

The only reason I dont use it much anymore is because I found AA#2. It gives similar performance but is a ball powder so it meters beautifully.

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