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19-3Ben
February 21, 2013, 04:54 PM
Seriously. This is getting outta hand.

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-malloy-guns-plan-0222-20130221,0,366674.story

Cliffs notes:
Governor Malloy has put out his proposed list of gun control laws he wants to ram through before, "we run a risk of letting this crticial moment in history pass us by." I'll interpret that for those who don't know how to speak fluent politician. What he said in layman's terms is, "Everyone is all riled up over the tragedy here in CT. before everyone stops crying and starts thinking logically, I want to get some illogical and unconstitutional legislation passed."

His proposed legislation includes the following:
1) Ban magazines of over 10 rounds...On magazines, gun owners would have until Oct. 1 to sell out of state or turn in to police the magazines they currently own.
2)closing the "gun show loophole" by mandating that anyone buying from a private seller supply proof they have undergone a federal background check, which can be obtained from a federally licensed firearm dealer.
3)The governor would expand the definition of an assault weapon by reducing the number of "military-style features" to one, down from four.
4)Malloy's expanded ban would contain a "grandfather" provision enabling people who legally purchased assault weapons prior to the new law to keep them, but only after a new permitting process that the governor's communications director, Andrew Doba, said would be "intensive" and would require owners to undergo training. If an owner wanted to sell such a weapon, it would have to be out of state.
5)The governor would require background checks "prior to the transfer of any firearm in any circumstance" ...That would include guns bought at a gun show or in a private sale.


Now, these are just his proposals. Not actual law. BUT it's what he is going to try to cram through, and so far he has met with very little resistance.

Considering that we are nestled right in the middle of New York, New Joisy, and Massachusetts, CT has had relatively good (aka relaxed) gun laws. It's one of the reasons I chose to plant my roots here when I had the chance (I was born and raised here but didn't leave when I could have). But the fact that the Sandy Hook shooting happened here in CT has totally changed the tune of our state. Not that it was ever GREAT for gun owners, but it was always certainly quite tolerable.

I saw it coming, but there's nothing like just seeing it written out in a local CT paper. I'm really ticked off. Doing all I can to write, and call everyone who matters. This is an inexcusable situation.

***all quotes taken directly from article in Hartford Courant to which I have linked.

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armoredman
February 21, 2013, 05:50 PM
The heartlands of the Revolution have come full circle back to the Royal Occupier. I'm sorry, sir, best of luck to you and yours, fight the good fight! What does your state legislature look like, good, bad, indifferent?

PRM
February 21, 2013, 06:41 PM
Why do people in the North East and on the West Coast keep electing these people???

oneounceload
February 21, 2013, 06:51 PM
Why do people in the North East and on the West Coast keep electing these people???

Because the majority of these soccer moms were educated in the public school systems after LBJ's Great Society took control. They have never studied civics, have no real understanding of what their rights are (except for what they are told by their news outlets) and believe that guns are only for criminals and police.....that is, until one of them gets raped.....

USAF_Vet
February 21, 2013, 06:54 PM
So the next Adam Lanza would need to pass a background check before murdering his mother and stealing her guns?

I'm sure I'll sleep better at night knowing that.

Devonai
February 21, 2013, 06:54 PM
I already have plans to move to the Brattleboro, VT or Winchester, NH area if the mag or rifle bans pass. I don't care if it takes me 90 minutes to get to work, I am NOT surrendering my property or "proving" my worth to own the most popular rifle in the country.

Up here in northern Connecticut there is a higher concentration of representatives on our side, but they are still the minority. The frustration and feeling of helplessness is too much.

foxs
February 21, 2013, 06:55 PM
Throw them out of office.

oneounceload
February 21, 2013, 06:59 PM
Arrest them for treason, try them, find them guilty, and carry out the penalty as prescribed by law

ACP
February 21, 2013, 07:50 PM
"Because the majority of these soccer moms were educated in the public school systems after LBJ's Great Society took control. They have never studied civics, have no real understanding of what their rights are (except for what they are told by their news outlets) and believe that guns are only for criminals and police.....that is, until one of them gets raped....."


Actually, oneounceload, Connecticut has one of the highest levels of educational attainment in the country -- 15.5% of the population has an advanced degree, which much better than the national average of 10.3%. Massachusetts is 16,4%, Maryland 16%, and D.C. 28%.

On the other hand, Texas has 8.5%, Alabama 7.7%, Tennessee 7.4%, Mississippi 7.1%, and Arkansas 6,1%.


Now, who ain't gettin' their schoolin' and ain't lernin' right??

ACP
February 21, 2013, 07:53 PM
"Arrest them for treason, try them, find them guilty, and carry out the penalty as prescribed by law"

remind me again, oneounceload -- what is the penalty for treason?

what exactly are you advocating here on "The High Road"??

I'm not saying I agree with what CT is doing -- but you are calling for democratically elected members of state government to be put to death because you disagree with their public policy position on one issue, is that right??

USAF_Vet
February 21, 2013, 07:54 PM
"Because the majority of these soccer moms were educated in the public school systems after LBJ's Great Society took control. They have never studied civics, have no real understanding of what their rights are (except for what they are told by their news outlets) and believe that guns are only for criminals and police.....that is, until one of them gets raped....."


Actually, oneounceload, Connecticut has one of the highest levels of educational attainment in the country -- 15.5% of the population has an advanced degree, which much better than the national average of 10.3%. Massachusetts is 16,4%, Maryland 16%, and D.C. 28%.

On the other hand, Texas has 8.5%, Alabama 7.7%, Tennessee 7.4%, Mississippi 7.1%, and Arkansas 6,1%.


Now, who ain't gettin' their schoolin' and ain't lernin' right??
Advanced degrees only means they spent more time in the Academy for Leftist Studies. They've been exposed to this hogwash longer and to a greater extent than those with a simple Associates degree or High school education.

Most Masters degrees and PHD programs don't teach civics or fundamental/ Constitutional rights anymore than any other schooling.

oneounceload
February 21, 2013, 08:14 PM
Actually, oneounceload, Connecticut has one of the highest levels of educational attainment in the country -- 15.5% of the population has an advanced degree, which much better than the national average of 10.3%. Massachusetts is 16,4%, Maryland 16%, and D.C. 28%.

On the other hand, Texas has 8.5%, Alabama 7.7%, Tennessee 7.4%, Mississippi 7.1%, and Arkansas 6,1%.


Gee, let's see - which states are the ones that are broke, are voting to eliminate your rights, and think everyone should hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

what is the penalty for treason?

what exactly are you advocating here on "The High Road"??

I'm not saying I agree with what CT is doing -- but you are calling for democratically elected members of state government to be put to death because you disagree with their public policy position on one issue, is that right??

Gee, where did I say that? Seems YOU are though.....who said anything about that? and just how do you know whether they were legitimately elected in a fair election?

But that's another thread for another forum

Perhaps you should read exactly WHAT the penalties are before assuming someone said something against the law

oneounceload
February 21, 2013, 08:25 PM
Since maybe you couldn't find it:

United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

Hope that clears it up for you

Old Fuff
February 21, 2013, 08:25 PM
Connecticut has one of the highest levels of educational attainment in the country -- 15.5% of the population has an advanced degree, which much better than the national average of 10.3%. Massachusetts is 16,4%, Maryland 16%, and D.C. 28%.

On the other hand, Texas has 8.5%, Alabama 7.7%, Tennessee 7.4%, Mississippi 7.1%, and Arkansas 6,1%

I suppose, but I'm darn glad Arizona better fit's into the lesser group. Rednecks know how to survive, while the advanced degrees folks discover that what they think they know doesn't always work. Unfortunately its some of that 28% in Washington that have got our country into such dificult times. :uhoh:

baz
February 21, 2013, 09:18 PM
Quote:
Actually, oneounceload, Connecticut has one of the highest levels of educational attainment in the country -- 15.5% of the population has an advanced degree, which much better than the national average of 10.3%. Massachusetts is 16,4%, Maryland 16%, and D.C. 28%.

On the other hand, Texas has 8.5%, Alabama 7.7%, Tennessee 7.4%, Mississippi 7.1%, and Arkansas 6,1%.
Right on. ;) Most people these days with advanced degrees have them in fields which do little to truly advance the state of civilization. Disclaimer: I have an advanced degree -- but being from Arkansas I'm not supposed to, I guess. I spent a decade in higher education -- teaching, administration -- seeing people rack up debt they'll never repay for an "education" that they did not need or will never use. I learned long ago that degrees, and advanced degrees, have little to do with how smart people are. Some of the dumbest people I know are over-educated.

Did anybody else note that the other states of supposed smart folks -- Mass, MD, and DC -- have some of the dumbest gun laws around? Whereas Texas, Tennessee, and Arkansas (three I have personal knowledge of) are rather enlightened when it comes to firearms.

So who's smart, and who's dumb here?

19-3Ben
February 21, 2013, 09:20 PM
I really understand how some of the folks in NY felt and still feel. I did not vote for any legislator that is supporting these proposed laws, yet here I am in this terrible position. I have to decide if I want to be an outlaw and keep my rightfully owned property (standard cap magazines) or surrender/sell them to ensure that my wife won't have to visit me in the clink.
Never mind the fact that as an attorney, I stand to lose my license if I get busted with such evil contraband. I've been in a funk all day over this, just going between sad and angry.

19-3Ben
February 21, 2013, 09:23 PM
erm.. guys... first off, what is with the hate on advanced degrees?
Seems off topic, and also divisive. All of the people who are the most influential fighters for our rights have advanced degrees.
Just like we don't want to generalize about allegiances to the 2A cause based on the titles of Democrat and Republican, let's not alienate those with advanced degrees. (says the guy with his JD hanging on the wall.)
Either way, totally off topic.

LKB3rd
February 21, 2013, 09:35 PM
I'm not saying I agree with what CT is doing -- but you are calling for democratically elected members of state government to be put to death because you disagree with their public policy position on one issue, is that right??

He didn't decide the penalty for treason. I am not sure this is clear treason, but it is certainly unconstitutional, and therefore null and void. There is also caselaw that says charging a fee and requiring a permit-which of course means it is no longer a right- to exercise your rights is unconstitutional, and null and void.
A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the federal constitution
http://www.constitution.org/ussc/319-105a.htm
CT is already in violation due to the pistol permit.

icanthitabarn
February 21, 2013, 10:00 PM
I didn't click links, but the posted proposals are a tiny bit of the decree.

PRM
February 21, 2013, 10:09 PM
Connecticut has one of the highest levels of educational attainment in the country -- 15.5% of the population has an advanced degree, which much better than the national average of 10.3%. Massachusetts is 16,4%, Maryland 16%, and D.C. 28%.

On the other hand, Texas has 8.5%, Alabama 7.7%, Tennessee 7.4%, Mississippi 7.1%, and Arkansas 6,1%

OK, ACP, if everybody up there is so smart, then what's all the crying about your current situation in that elite progressive liberal utopia...

I'll take less education and remain happy in a Conservative Red State any day of the week. One thing is for sure, it won't be CT that holds the line on 2nd Amendment Rights. Wish you guys the best - maybe with all that schooling you can figure out how to deal with politicians who forget the Constitutional oath that took with the office.

Grassman
February 21, 2013, 10:16 PM
All of the liberal gun grabbing states and constituents are showing their true colors now, this goes the same for the opposite. There are some states out there like mine, Texas, who are fighting the good fight. We know who you are now. Take notes people, I am.

Ignition Override
February 22, 2013, 01:46 AM
ACP:

We mostly grew up around KC MO and KS, but something caught my attention when moving south.
Those boys in southern states seem to volunteer pretty quickly to fight for their country, though CT might also have its fair share for its population.

Now, it might jest be... that those larger heaps.. of.. M.A. degrees in Comparative Philosophy or PhDs in Modern French Lit., way up there in CT trump patriotism and personal risk.:)

Water-Man
February 22, 2013, 02:06 AM
Why don't you guys cut the crap and stow your prejudices.

Alaska444
February 22, 2013, 02:12 AM
So the next Adam Lanza would need to pass a background check before murdering his mother and stealing her guns?

I'm sure I'll sleep better at night knowing that.
Yeah, like it would have prevented Columbine ya know huh. Oh, wait a minute, NICS started in November 1998 and Columbine was April 1999. Hmmmm, you mean NICS doesn't work. What about Virginia Tech, surely they would prevent that one too right??

MachIVshooter
February 22, 2013, 02:12 AM
We feel your pain here in CO. Please provide the contact info for members here to urge your congresscritters and governor to not do this.

I have family in CT, I do visit them. I won't not go there, but I'll let your govt know that I'll make darn sure to spend as little money as possible in the state when I'm there if they push this through.

ACP
February 22, 2013, 06:41 AM
"and just how do you know whether they were legitimately elected in a fair election?"

Read a newspaper, or visit the Secretary of State's website. Turn off Glenn Beck for a moment and get educated.

m21black
February 22, 2013, 08:23 AM
It's not only the elected officials in CT it's also the "Progressive Courts". The State Supreme Court mis-interputed one of the most clearly definded State Constitutions regarding the 2nd Ammendment Rights 15 years ago. Basically the court said that the State can restrict firearms ownership down to the point that we have a right to a single shot 22 or shotgun.

oneounceload
February 22, 2013, 08:38 AM
Read a newspaper, or visit the Secretary of State's website. Turn off Glenn Beck for a moment and get educated.

Oh yep, because THAT is the source for the truth.

Sorry, don't listen to Glenn or Rush or Brian Williams or Wolf either -but there were too many cases of illegals voting, the dead casting votes, voting machine fraud in some states, and on and on - and it will only get worse as they desperately try to keep their control - using drones to spy, unwarranted this and that

but you cling to your beliefs....I prefer the truth

19-3Ben
February 23, 2013, 08:19 AM
It's not only the elected officials in CT it's also the "Progressive Courts". The State Supreme Court mis-interputed one of the most clearly definded State Constitutions regarding the 2nd Ammendment Rights 15 years ago. Basically the court said that the State can restrict firearms ownership down to the point that we have a right to a single shot 22 or shotgun.

I wasn't aware of this. I don't doubt you but would like to read the decision. You don't happen to have a citation do you?

alsaqr
February 23, 2013, 08:34 AM
CT has some of the toughest gun control laws in the USA. CT also has some the weakest laws in the US when it comes to protecting the public from violent mental cases.

Early last year the CT legislature failed to pass a bill that would have mandated treatment for mental cases that present a threat to themselves and others.

In February 2012, Connecticut Senate Bill 452 (SB452) was put forward to remedy the fact that Connecticut was one of less than ten states in the U.S. to lack an "assisted outpatient treatment" (AOT) law. As David Stein has pointed out, there are just six states that lack such a law.

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Had this law passed, it may have forced Adam Lanza to be treated for his alleged mental illness instead of allowing him to roam free, and ultimately to kill 26 persons and himself in a vindictive rage on Friday.

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Why didn't the legislation pass? Because the ACLU and other "civil liberties" groups and individuals cried foul. The ACLU in particular said 452 would "infringe on patients' privacy rights by expanding [the circle of] who can medicate individuals without their consent." They also said it infringed on patient rights by reducing the number of doctors' opinions necessary to commit someone to institutionalization.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/16/Recently-Defeated-Connecticut-Mental-Health-Bill-May-Have-Stopped-Friday-s-Shooter

vba
February 23, 2013, 11:03 AM
I'm from CT and find it ironic that Connecticut is the "Constitution State":rolleyes:

I also believe that these northeast and west coast states are in violation of the second and perhaps (in the future) fourth amendments to the constitution.

Mainsail
February 23, 2013, 11:42 AM
Why do people in the North East and on the West Coast keep electing these people???

Do you ever scratch your head and wonder how someone could say things like, "Only police need guns", or "Nobody needs a magazine that holds more then ten rounds"? There are a lot of 'cultures' within our American culture; people that are into dog trials, or ham radio enthusiasts, or whatever. People within a particular sub-culture will always toe the party line for that culture. The trick is to divide the culture, and then you disrupt the support structure. Shotgunners against handgunners against hunters against EBRs, and so on.

Read this essay, All the Way Down the Slippery Slope (http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html). The anti-gunners only need to disrupt the gun culture for one generation, then the end is in sight. This is what has happened in CT, MA, & NY; guns are a foreign thing, gun enthusiasts are the minority, the support structure has been destroyed.

Old Fuff
February 23, 2013, 01:12 PM
Mainsail has made some good points, but the issue is not a simple one. As Neal Knox pointed out decades ago, firearms control is largely an urban vs. rural issue, and in those states that have them, large urban populations can dominate the subordinate rural areas by shear weight of numbers, as can be clearly seen at the moment where the principal push for gun controls is going on in NY, NJ, CT, CO, CA, IL - and so on. Telling those that live in these states that they should “vote the (expletive deleted) out of office” is not a practical option.

The best that gun-owning residents in these states can hope for is that the federal court system will eventually overturn some of the more extreme proposals if/when they become law.

On the national scene the picture is brighter. In 1994 after pushing through the first AWB (and an unpopular revision of the nation’s medical system) the Democrats lost control of both the House and Senate, and in the following presidential election Gore (D) lost to Bush (R) when the former failed to carry his home state of Tennessee because of the “gun vote.” History can and may repeat itself. I can easily predict that by the time the current president’s term of office is up, NICS will have made over 100-million background checks during his tenure. That’s the kind of number any politician thinking about a national office had better take note of. :uhoh:

SigSour
February 23, 2013, 05:26 PM
Wait, so people who ALREADY own magazines with over 10 rounds will have to turn them into the police?? Holy crap - I've seen movies that started out like this and they always ends bad.

I think sometimes... "if liberals could have whatever they want with zero opposition, what would this country be?" - then I envision scenes from RoboCop or Escape from New York and get the chills.

Furncliff
February 23, 2013, 05:41 PM
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340PD
February 23, 2013, 05:46 PM
Get a list of the names of those that are voting for this legislation and run a candidate against them.Publish their names in an newspaper ad. It cost money but is is the only thing these idiots fear. The only way to save yourself is to make them afraid of being re-elected or actually replacing them.

Akita1
February 23, 2013, 05:59 PM
There is likely a fascinating intellectual discussion to be had about advance degrees, the worth thereof, geographical concentrations, if they ever get used, who serves in the military and why, the sociological and political implications of large population centers and their impact on surrounding areas, etc.

Likely, but not here.

The OP is addressing the distressful situation in CT, a state that is taking advantage of its own terrible tragedy to advance political agendas. Telling him they deserve it and then everyone attacking each other just serves the antis - please don't fall into their trap.

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