9mm Carry Ammo


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lpsharp88
February 21, 2013, 11:58 PM
I'm gonna pick up a Glock 26 (hopefully tomorrow) and add it to the carry rotation (also carry a G23). I was wondering what you all use? +p or no, 115 gr, 124 gr, 147 gr? I know I need to figure out what works best in my gun, just wanting to know the pros and cons of the available options.

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dbp
February 22, 2013, 12:13 AM
I'm gonna pick up a Glock 26 (hopefully tomorrow) and add it to the carry rotation (also carry a G23). I was wondering what you all use? +p or no, 115 gr, 124 gr, 147 gr? I know I need to figure out what works best in my gun, just wanting to know the pros and cons of the available options.
Have a G26 as well. I use Hornady Critical Duty 135gr for carry ammo and anything I can get my hands on at this point for practice (it shoots anything with no problems).

Bigkrackers
February 22, 2013, 12:16 AM
I just picked up my first Glock (19) and decided on Speer Gold Dot 115 gr. I like Gold Dot and have used it in my 1911 for a while.

lpsharp88
February 22, 2013, 12:17 AM
Thanks a lot. I had read about the newer 9mm Glocks having some hiccups (maybe just the G19, I forget), so I wasn't sure if hotter ammo would be required

dbp
February 22, 2013, 12:23 AM
Thanks a lot. I had read about the newer 9mm Glocks having some hiccups (maybe just the G19, I forget), so I wasn't sure if hotter ammo would be required
Nah- mine is a Gen 4 and it eats anything. I've shot 115gr, 124gr, FMJ CCI, Federal, WWB, etc. and the 135gr Hornady JHP. Up to 800 rounds now and not a hiccup with any of it.

wrs840
February 22, 2013, 12:24 AM
I use Remington Golden Saber 124gr BJHP non-plus-p (GS9MMB) because I've convinced myself I hit best with it.

Whether real or imagined is unimportant, that I believe it is what's important.

tuj
February 22, 2013, 12:30 AM
ASYM Precision 115 SDX Solid Copper +P.

Teachu2
February 22, 2013, 12:35 AM
I run Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel in my 26 - but it'll eat anything. The GDSB has less muzzle flash and supposed to be faster, as they use a faster burning powder.

lashylash
February 22, 2013, 12:51 AM
Federal HST in my G19.

Torian
February 22, 2013, 12:53 AM
For 9mm, my preferred load is the Ranger SXT 127 +p+ loads or Federal HST, neither of which are easy to get due to the baloney policies of only selling directly to LEOs.

I also like the 115 grain +p+ underwood loads.

C0untZer0
February 22, 2013, 01:05 AM
You have to decide what you want your ammo to do under what conditions, and what information makes you think that any particular ammo is going to do what you want it to.

I want a round to penetrate to at least 14" under different conditions - through a T-shirt, and through heavy clothing. I don't want ammo that penetrates more than 16"

I would like it to expand to .65" or greater.

I like Winchester's 147gr Ranger "T" Series RA9T

http://www.winchester.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/flash-SWFs/law_bullit.swf

It seems we do this every couple of weeks:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8633101&highlight=ra9t#post8633101

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=685833&highlight=ra9t

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=685530&highlight=ra9t

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=682025&highlight=ra9t

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=664395&highlight=ra9t

I searched the number of times I've mentioned RA9T :D

C0untZer0
February 22, 2013, 01:09 AM
I have taken my R9 to the range and using 124gr TMJ Lawman, I am able to make really tight groups with the little pistol shooting at 7 yards.

As soon as I switch to 147gr the shot group opens up by at least2 inches.

I'm going to take it to the range again soon and start off shooting 147gr instead of finishing up with 147gr... maybe I wasn't shooting as well at the end of the session.

But the difference in the size of the shot groups really bugs me... so far...

481
February 22, 2013, 02:16 AM
I'm gonna pick up a Glock 26 (hopefully tomorrow) and add it to the carry rotation (also carry a G23). I was wondering what you all use? +p or no, 115 gr, 124 gr, 147 gr? I know I need to figure out what works best in my gun, just wanting to know the pros and cons of the available options.

Only one way to find out- gotta shoot it in your gun.

As for specific loads- I've always favored "heavy-for-caliber" JHPs so I'd go with the 147 gr JHPs.

lpsharp88
February 22, 2013, 02:24 AM
I carry 180gr in my 23, so that's what I was kind of leaning towards. If it turns out that the lighter loads work better, would +p be advisable?

45Fan
February 22, 2013, 10:08 AM
When I owned a G26, I fed it the Fed 9BPLE load. It was accurate, and the gun handled it well. My current load is the Remington 124gr BJHP in the +P variety. The 9BPLE is just a bit hot for my Hi-Power, but the Remington load is warm without beating up my Browning.

At this point, I think I would settle for what ever I could find, and worry bout the specifics when ammo starts filling back up the shelves around the country.

WRGADog
February 22, 2013, 06:35 PM
Winchester Ranger 147 grain JHP Bonded or Remington Golden Saber 147 grain JHP.

Excalibur
February 22, 2013, 08:39 PM
Just my 2 cents.....I carry either Gold Dot Short Barrel or Corbon DPX. Both feed well and are accurate. Been told the DPX expands better but haven't shot anyone yet!

Southside830
February 22, 2013, 09:10 PM
Speer 115gr +p+ le gold dot. Devastating round.

jimmyraythomason
February 22, 2013, 09:17 PM
Winchester 115 grn fmj (flat nose) in my edc Browning BDM.

wally
February 22, 2013, 09:18 PM
While I don't carry a 9mm, if I did it'd be with 147gr ammo.

F-111 John
February 22, 2013, 09:19 PM
I bought a G26 last December, and I carry Federay Hydra-Shot 135 gr JHP.

EBShooting
February 22, 2013, 10:36 PM
+1 for the Winchester RA9T. IMHO its the best defensive ammo out there.

TarDevil
February 22, 2013, 11:44 PM
Have a G26 as well. I use Hornady Critical Duty 135gr for carry ammo and anything I can get my hands on at this point for practice (it shoots anything with no problems).
Have you done terminal tests with Critical Duty from a G26? I'm curious to know how it performs...according to Hornady, that load was designed for full size duty guns and not optimized for short barrels.

dbp
February 22, 2013, 11:55 PM
Have you done terminal tests with Critical Duty from a G26? I'm curious to know how it performs...according to Hornady, that load was designed for full size duty guns and not optimized for short barrels.
I don't have testing equipment and just shooting holes in paper to this point. Guy at LGS sold it to me and said it was what he would recommend.

However, you are correct in your comment on Hornady's claims. I may need to go with the Critical Defense if I stay with Hornady. Frankly, I would be happy to find anything right now.

dbp
February 22, 2013, 11:56 PM
BTW TarDevil, what do you shoot in your SR9C?

stumpers
February 22, 2013, 11:58 PM
I typically use either Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +p or 9mm Nato 124 gr by Winchester

bill3424
February 23, 2013, 12:27 AM
Federal HST, 147gr

TarDevil
February 23, 2013, 12:29 AM
I use Speer Gold Dots, 124 +P.

I just shoot into gallon water jugs. I've tested the Gold Dots, PDX1, and Remington UMC. I'd carry PDX if I couldn't get Speer.

481
February 23, 2013, 12:39 AM
I use Speer Gold Dots, 124 +P.

I just shoot into gallon water jugs. I've tested the Gold Dots, PDX1, and Remington UMC. I'd carry PDX if I couldn't get Speer.

Can't go wrong with the PDXs or the Gold Dots. Icing on the cake is that they are bonded.

meanmrmustard
February 23, 2013, 08:44 AM
Double Tap, 124 gr. Gold Dots topping their +P load.

Dean1818
February 23, 2013, 09:10 AM
I did a backyard test with milkjugs filled with wet newspaper, and 4 layers of bluejeans on the first jug.

I tested many types but the Corbon DPX outshined every other brand I tested
With the exception of the HST. (it was close)

Better penetration and better expansion

Corbons are my carry choice in all my pistols

rxspeed88
February 23, 2013, 10:14 AM
winchester pdx-1 124grn +p

Checkman
February 23, 2013, 10:17 AM
Federal 115 grain +P+ JHP in my 26. Federal HST 124 grain +P JHP in my 19 because that is what my department issues me.

lpsharp88
February 23, 2013, 04:48 PM
I ended up getting a Beretta M9 (was on my list anyway) and got Hornady Critical Duty 135gr +p, was all that was available.

danoam
February 23, 2013, 05:11 PM
I used to carry 124 gr Golden Sabres, now I carry either Federal HST or Speer Gold Dots, both 124 gr +P

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PabloJ
February 23, 2013, 05:35 PM
I'm gonna pick up a Glock 26 (hopefully tomorrow) and add it to the carry rotation (also carry a G23). I was wondering what you all use? +p or no, 115 gr, 124 gr, 147 gr? I know I need to figure out what works best in my gun, just wanting to know the pros and cons of the available options.
Found several packs of Federal law enforcement JHPs 'HST' at $29 per box of 50. Bought several boxes and that is what my revolver is loaded with. I think bullet weight is 124gr.

Lj1941
February 23, 2013, 05:37 PM
It is incredible that I see so many preferring hotter +P & +P+ loads. I would prefer to try different loads and select which load worked best in my particular weapon. As most of us know- a faster, higher velocity load is usually not the best or the most accurate and in a SD load over-penetration is always a possibility/danger. Just my $.02 worth. Your mileage will vary.

AnthonySmithXR
February 23, 2013, 05:45 PM
I love 124gr +p gold dot. There's also some +p+ Corbon stuff I've used. Wouldn't shoot that too often though.


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1858
February 23, 2013, 05:54 PM
As most of us know- a faster, higher velocity load is usually not the best or the most accurate and in a SD load over-penetration is always a possibility/danger.

Why do you think that faster = more penetration? Penetration is a function of expansion too which is a function of bullet design. I haven't done any backyard testing with milk jugs and phone books but I have done quite a bit with ballistic gelatin and it's convinced me that any of the top tier brands are more than adequate IF they function reliably in your particular firearm.

I carry Remington Golden Saber 124gr bonded and non bonded for no other reason than they function flawlessly in my SIG P239, they're more than accurate enough and I get them at a very reasonable price.

meanmrmustard
February 23, 2013, 08:56 PM
It is incredible that I see so many preferring hotter +P & +P+ loads. I would prefer to try different loads and select which load worked best in my particular weapon. As most of us know- a faster, higher velocity load is usually not the best or the most accurate and in a SD load over-penetration is always a possibility/danger. Just my $.02 worth. Your mileage will vary.
Huh?

Where are you ascertaining that higher speed equates to deeper penetration?

No4Mk1*
February 24, 2013, 09:36 AM
While +p is more likely to expand it will often not penetrate as deeply as standard pressure ammo. The increased expansion slows the projectile down faster.

A similar situation exists with rifle rounds ex; A nosler partition can penetrate more if impact velocity is in the mid 2500fps range than >3000 (source nosler reloading handbook 4th ed)

After studying ordnance gelatin results and the San Diego autopsy study i have chosen 147gr JHP as my load.

AnthonySmithXR
February 24, 2013, 10:29 AM
While +p is more likely to expand it will often not penetrate as deeply as standard pressure ammo. The increased expansion slows the projectile down faster.

A similar situation exists with rifle rounds ex; A nosler partition can penetrate more if impact velocity is in the mid 2500fps range than >3000 (source nosler reloading handbook 4th ed)

After studying ordnance gelatin results and the San Diego autopsy study i have chosen 147gr JHP as my load.

I'm interested in these studies. Will you please point me to a source?


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Dave Arff
February 24, 2013, 11:31 AM
Glock Gen 4 hickup has been reported to be one of two things in most cases.
limp wrist, but in the Gen 4 they don't particularly like light LOADS. Shoot much better with a hotter round. But if you're having a problem with that you can contact Glock and they will send you a new spring free of charge.

orionengnr
February 24, 2013, 12:22 PM
Lots of good 9mm loads these days.

Every test I have seen shows the CorBon DPX (all-copper Barnes bullet) being exceptionally consistent in expansion regardless of the medium or intermediate material/barrier, so that is my choice (when I carry a 9mm). Only downside is that they are pricey and hard to find. (One of the previous posters mentions the ASYM Precision 115 SDX Solid Copper +P--a quick check show that it is the same bullet loaded into "somebody's" case using "some" powder. Probably just as good, but since I have never heard of ASYM, and CorBon has been around since IIRC the 80s...you know which way I'm going.)

I would also trust the Ranger SXT, Federal HST, Gold Dot and most any modern JHP made by a first-tier manufacturer.

Whether you choose 115, 124/127, 135 or 147, there are good choices in each weight. I like +p because a short barrel loses velocity, and the +p 'may" regain some of that.

Just make sure to test and verify that your choice functions 110% reliably (some recommend 200 rounds)...then buy enough of it so you won't have to re-do the exercise six months from now.

At the best of times, this is be a difficult and expensive proposition. These days, it is an almost impossible one, so it may be a matter of "what can you get?" and going with that for now.

481
February 24, 2013, 12:28 PM
I'm interested in these studies. Will you please point me to a source?

I believe that he is referring to this document-

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Fackler_Articles/winchester_9mm.pdf

Cesiumsponge
February 24, 2013, 12:45 PM
Summary by smart people, including a Dr. Roberts, "DocGKR" on certain gun forums, listed with 22 years of Naval service performing combat trauma and wound ballistic research and currently DDS at a large west coast teaching hospital and Level I trauma center.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

hank327
February 24, 2013, 04:32 PM
I like the Winchester Ranger T 127 grain +P+ or the Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P best.
For standard pressure 9mm, I like the old Federal Classic 115 grain JHP BP.

arflattop
February 24, 2013, 05:25 PM
I'm a Hornady fan myself, the FTX bullets seem to make sense and the local PD uses them. Hornady's website seems to indicate that their Critical Defense line is formulated with shorter barreled defense weapons in mind, while their Criitical Duty line is for full sized duty weapons and shooting through barriers.

That being said, I use Critical Duty 135gr +P in my Glock 19.

I don't think you can go wrong with Hornady, gold dot, HST, etc. They're all gonna hurt.

ldlfh7
February 25, 2013, 02:24 PM
Honestly any hollow point round will stop your attacker. Don't over think it. Get whatever you can find these days.

AnthonySmithXR
February 25, 2013, 08:34 PM
Honestly any hollow point round will stop your attacker. Don't over think it. Get whatever you can find these days.

Well, based on the data posted above, maybe not.


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Cesiumsponge
February 25, 2013, 08:59 PM
Anyone can make ammunition and sell it commercially. That's a fairly low standard to judge what works and what doesn't. I'd prefer to see the cumulative average performances of ammunition used in Officer Involved Shootings as slightly more credible.

coolluke01
February 25, 2013, 11:30 PM
Shooting +P or +P+ in a short barrel gives no benefit. More muzzle flash is about all you get from it.
I carry 147 Ranger T's They have been chronographed at 1150, while 127+P are around 1200. Not much benefit for all the flash and bang.

For short barrels stick with slow heavy bullets.

The Ranger T's in 147 are a proven round with good expansion and great penetration. Many rounds may open up bigger but they trade penetration then.

ldlfh7
February 25, 2013, 11:35 PM
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trayzor
February 25, 2013, 11:43 PM
Agreed! Federal HST 124gr

Bobson
February 25, 2013, 11:48 PM
124gr Gold Dots in my G19.

Bill4282
February 25, 2013, 11:56 PM
Since they don't make a 230 grain for 9mm, I go with 147 grain JHPs. Not wedded to any particular manufacturer just one of the top ends, no bargain basement.

CDawg
February 26, 2013, 04:24 AM
Winchester Ranger RA9T 147gr JHP.

Bob79
February 26, 2013, 06:21 AM
Gold Dot 124 grain +P functions fine in my glock. Ballistically the 124 grain rounds usually perform the best in tests.

Rezin
February 26, 2013, 09:08 AM
I have used most of the major brands through my Glock 19 with no problems. Right now, 1 meg has critical defense, well the other has golden sabers.

TOADMAN
February 26, 2013, 05:07 PM
Any 147 gr JHP top shelf ammo..

Buck Kramer
February 26, 2013, 11:48 PM
124gr pdx1 in 9mm xd

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