PA, WV, or OH?


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Ironclad
February 22, 2013, 04:24 AM
I will more than likely moving close to the West Virgina Northern panhandle in the near future. This gives me the interesting opportunity to choose between living in Pennsylvania, Ohio, or West Virgina.

Which of these states has the best gun laws? And when I say the best, I obviously mean the least restrictive.

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daiadvisor
February 22, 2013, 07:18 AM
Ohio's been good to me all these years - can have pretty much whatever, CCW is easy to get. Only issue is 30 Rd. mag restriction. (Not that it's ever been enforced)

Uncle Richard
February 22, 2013, 07:40 AM
WV is a very gun friendly state. Simple process to get your concealed carry permit and can carry in establishments that serve alcohol. Can purchase a firearm without a NICS check if you have a ccw permit......just a few high points..

We have a lot of jobs in the norther half of the state. Look at Morgantown.


However, I did live in Ohio for a short period. State income tax was less and I didn't have to get my vehicle inspected every year....but that was 6 years ago.

sean326
February 22, 2013, 07:50 AM
Pa is the best, easy CCP, shall issue, everything is legal from full auto to mortors, even switchblades.

dragon813gt
February 22, 2013, 08:05 AM
Pa is the best, easy CCP, shall issue, everything is legal from full auto to mortors, even switchblades.

It depends on where you live. While it is shall issue there are counties that make you jump through hoops and wait to get the permit. Same goes for NFA items. If you don't have a trust you won't be able to acquire any of them.

PA is split into Pittsburgh/Center/Philadelphia. The closer you live to either end the more liberal it gets. And unfortunately this is where the majority of people live so they run the state. Even though land mass wise it's the minority. Senator Casey has made it known that he's a traitor and will support and all future firearms restrictions. I love living here but some of the elected officials are problems right now.


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Fleetman
February 22, 2013, 08:20 AM
We live in Pa.....seem to tolerate firearms ok but as posted, the politicians are a little scary right now...almost seems like they want to emulate Md or NJ.

FWIW, it only took two days to get our LTCF permits (License to Carry Firearms).

Pilot
February 22, 2013, 08:25 AM
PA is split into Pittsburgh/Center/Philadelphia. The closer you live to either end the more liberal it gets. And unfortunately this is where the majority of people live so they run the state. Even though land mass wise it's the minority.

PA state law trumps any liberal, anti-gun rhetoric coming from Philly or Pittsburgh. With my CCW permit I can carry anywhere in the state including Philly and Pitt. Our PA Constitution mandates that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED. Yes, the language is stronger than the U.S. 2A.

Like others have said PA is very gun friendly. Shall issue, no AWB, NFA is legal, and good knife laws, although while you may own an automatically opening knife, you can NOT legally carry one.

Sam1911
February 22, 2013, 08:53 AM
PA appears to me to be the least restrictive of the three, but WV is very good, and OH isn't bad. Good choice to get to make!

Sav .250
February 22, 2013, 09:00 AM
I will more than likely moving close to the West Virgina Northern panhandle in the near future. This gives me the interesting opportunity to choose between living in Pennsylvania, Ohio, or West Virgina.

Which of these states has the best gun laws? And when I say the best, I obviously mean the least restrictive.
That`s to ambiguous for me. Where exactly?

Baldman
February 22, 2013, 09:04 AM
Lived in PA all my life. In a lot of cases PA is 3 states, you've got Philly which is liberal / democratic and very anti gun (I've lived and worked in / near Philly for 25 yrs), Pittsburgh which from the times that I have been there(and it's been a little while) was more gun friendly than Philly, then you have the rest of the state that looks like a "T" is Alabama. I don't say that with any disrespect since I grew up in NE PA and lived there for 25 yrs , this area has been more pro gun / pro hunting / pro gov't keep you hands off my crap than the rest of the state. If you choose PA pick a location near Pitt or Alabama. Philly has become a stinking hole of violence and corruption that the mayor, city council, et al have no real interest in cleaning, just filling their pockets. IMO things like this tend to happen with 1 party rule.

BTW the only major restriction I am aware of is no semi-auto for hunting (at least deer & small game).

josiewales
February 22, 2013, 09:04 AM
I live in PA and out of the three states Pa seems to be the best. If it weren't for Philly and Pittsburg we would be a red state. Not very restrictive gun laws. Our state rep, Rob Kauffman, Is working with another state rep, Gordan Denlinger, to introduce a bill that allow you to carry with out a CCP. Also they are working on legislation that would nullify federal gun laws during or after 2013, like WY did.

HARV6
February 22, 2013, 09:12 AM
I grew up in Ohio 5 mins from PA, and 25 mins from WV. All three have their quirks, a few dumb laws here and there. But nothing that I would consider leaving or moving to another for.

Rollis R. Karvellis
February 22, 2013, 09:30 AM
I, have lived in the tri-state area my whole life, and as mentioned each has a few querks. The problem with Ohio is the three blue city's that can throw an election in a negative direction.

gp911
February 22, 2013, 09:46 AM
Ohio has a 30rd mag ban? Maybe some cities still have bans on the books that aren't enforced but they aren't banned statewide. Our laws are pretty good now. NFA is ok, CHL is easy to get, no AWB issues. As others have noted the major cities are pretty anti-gun and are why we are such a swing state. 5 cities reliably vote Dem and the rest of the state sways the other way.

tkaction
February 22, 2013, 09:47 AM
ohio is a must inform state if you are traffic stopped. Pa does not require it. Big for me..

miles1
February 22, 2013, 10:13 AM
A nice choice of states to pick from.Cant speak for the other two states but for the most part Ohio seems pretty decent for me.Our govenor is pro-gun rights and that makes me alittle less uneasy with the obamacution of our 2nd ammendment rights currently going on in our great country.

Hangingrock
February 22, 2013, 10:34 AM
Of the three states mentioned PA If you want to be adjacent to the Northern Panhandle of WVA then it would be the counties of Beaver, Washington, and Green.

22-rimfire
February 22, 2013, 10:40 AM
I would decide based on the hunting and fishing opportunities available in each of the three states. In which case, I think the nod goes to PA.

pockets
February 22, 2013, 10:46 AM
Ohio has a 30rd mag ban? Maybe some cities still have bans on the books that aren't enforced but they aren't banned statewide
It's buried, but Ohio does ban the USE OF magazines over 30 rounds (center-fire). You can 'OWN' them, you just can't USE them in a firearm.
Yes...I know this is mostly ignored and not enforced much....but it is there:
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.11
NOTE: Parts of this code will change 3/27/13...Section E will not change.

Ohio Revised Code 2923.11(E):
(E) “Automatic firearm” means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger.
“Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading,
other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges.

That basically means; as soon as you INSERT a 40-round magazine into a center-fire semi-auto, you have 'specially adapted' it. Doesn't affect .22's.
I don't write the laws, I just try to keep current on them.
Overall though, Ohio has been making gun law improvements since 2004. It's important to keep track of them.

As for the original question? The thing I dislike about PA is that they do not recognize the Ohio CHL as valid. Legally I must disarm when I visit my son in Pittsburgh. WV and Ohio seem to be in synch.....PA, not so much.
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rtroha
February 22, 2013, 10:47 AM
Ohio has a 30rd mag ban?

Nope, no mag ban.

gp911
February 22, 2013, 10:56 AM
Ok pockets, I remember that one now. I heard about it when a friend bought a Thompson with a drum magazine years ago and the subject came up. I'd forgotten all about that dumb little statute. Our gun laws are continuing to improve, but there is definitely still work to do.

Sam1911
February 22, 2013, 11:12 AM
ohio is a must inform state if you are traffic stopped. Pa does not require it. Big for me..
Also, PA's list of "off-limits" places is one of the shortest in the nation.

A big one for me is that you don't have to leave your gun in your car if you go into a restaurant or bar. Even if you're having a beer or three. That's really nice.

As for the original question? The thing I dislike about PA is that they do not recognize the Ohio CHL as valid. Legally I must disarm when I visit my son in Pittsburgh. WV and Ohio seem to be in synch.....PA, not so much.LOL! Only because OH doesn't recognize PA! PA doesn't have a training requirement and that seems to bug OH.

Getting your UT permit takes care of this problem (and DE, as well).

Lj1941
February 22, 2013, 11:25 AM
I really can't say whether PA is better than Ohio or West Virginia.I live less than 1500 feet from NJ. I must be VERY careful to disarm whenever I cross the bridge into the "People's Republic of NJ. I have lived in this tiny town my whole life except when I was on active duty in the US Army. I worked in NJ for about half of my working life and going into NJ 5 or 6 times per week made me very aware of the difference in gun laws. I didn't get a CCW permit until I was retired because I always feared I would forget myself and get caught.This very thing happened to a close friend. IMO all 3 states are good.

pockets
February 22, 2013, 11:33 AM
LOL! Only because OH doesn't recognize PA! PA doesn't have a training requirement and that seems to bug OH.
Yup. It's not as though the 12 hours of 'training' (essentially NRA Basic Pistol) we do in Ohio is earth-shattering.
I wonder which state didn't recognize the other first? Kind of silly really.
At least Ohio dropped the re-certification requirement now for CHL renewal....we continue to make progress. :)

All three states have their own quirks and their own good points.
.

josephbw
February 22, 2013, 11:46 AM
Yup. It's not as though the 12 hours of 'training' (essentially NRA Basic Pistol) we do in Ohio is earth-shattering.
I wonder which state didn't recognize the other first? Kind of silly really.
At least Ohio dropped the re-certification requirement now for CHL renewal....we continue to make progress. :)

All three states have their own quirks and their own good points.
.
I think the intent of reciprocity was to honor any state license that matched or exceeded the requirements for the Ohio CCW.

The_Armed_Therapist
February 22, 2013, 11:50 AM
Keep in mind that the panhandle of West Virginia is only 5 miles wide to the North and only 15 miles wide to the south. With a WV hunting license, for example, you'd likely have to drive a ways south for wide open hunting ground. Otherwise, I'd prefer WV to either SE Ohio or SW PA. Central PA would be different... Not much better than there.

ol' scratch
February 22, 2013, 06:35 PM
There is no 30 round magazine restriction in Ohio. There is a law that imposes harsh penelties for those who commit crimes using a magazine over 30 rounds, however. There is some confusion regarding that right now.

Kevin Rohrer
February 22, 2013, 08:02 PM
Only issue is 30 Rd. mag restriction.

That section does NOT ban any magazines. It merely classifies weapons with the capability to fire >31-round mags as being 'automatic' weapons'. Such weapons are not banned according to my research.

Ohio is quite gun-friendly. Both open and CCW are welcome, and we seem to be moving towards 'right to carry'. There are few places where weapons are banned, and CCW laws are becoming more lenient as time passes.

CJW
February 22, 2013, 08:08 PM
PA laws are pretty good (at the moment) but the problem is all the liberals from the Philly area. If you move to southwest PA my advice is to live in Washington, Green, or Fayette County. Stay away from Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) because of the high taxes and Democrat death-grip on local government.

Adam the Gnome
February 22, 2013, 08:33 PM
When I contacted Joe Manchin his reply was not that gun friendly..

dragon813gt
February 22, 2013, 08:41 PM
PA laws are pretty good (at the moment) but the problem is all the liberals from the Philly area.
I'm assuming you don't live here. But outside of the city it's mostly a 50/50 split in the immediate surrounding counties. Get one more out at it's mostly conservative. But this is political so I will stop.

Make sure to check the hunting regs if you hunt. A lot of people seem to have a problem with PA's restrictions of no Semiautos and no Sunday hunting. These don't bother me but OH's shotgun only regs do. The more central you are to PA the more open the land is to hunt. The largest population of deer is not in these counties. They're in the south east.


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browneu
February 22, 2013, 08:44 PM
Ohio is great. Unfortunately, the mayor of Columbus is anti gun and pretty much an idiot. However, there's still plenty of land in the country where people are less anti.

You didn't say whether you hunted. That might make the difference if you do.

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22-rimfire
February 22, 2013, 09:18 PM
Never discount the wonderful trout fishing that you can find in PA.

browneu
February 22, 2013, 09:20 PM
Never discount the wonderful trout fishing that you can find in PA.

Where at? I'll have to make a visit.

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22-rimfire
February 22, 2013, 09:26 PM
Generally the better streams are in Central PA (limestone bedrock). Search on Wild Trout Class A streams in PA and you will find the good streams. Many streams are self supporting now with native fish without stocking. It also depends on the kind of water you prefer... big water, middle size, or small mountain streams full of native brook or brown trout.

I never hunted in the SW part of the state before I moved away. Bear hunting is good and the deer population is coming back. As mentioned earlier, many of the high populations are near urban areas and you probably need to think archery or black powder in these areas.

Sam1911
February 22, 2013, 09:36 PM
Heck, if you're around KOP, Paoli, Devon, Valley Forge, etc. I think you can get a special deer tag ... for your CAR! :D

Best weapon for deer? Oh, about 5,000 lbs, going 50 mph, in the middle of the day with your horn blowing. You can probably get your limit in one rush hour!

flatlander937
February 22, 2013, 11:32 PM
A big one for me is that you don't have to leave your gun in your car if you go into a restaurant or bar. Even if you're having a beer or three. That's really nice.


Just FYI that is the case in Ohio as well since towards the end of 2011:

"Change to Ohio's Liquor Permit Prohibition

Effective Friday, Ohio's liquor permit prohibition, R.C. 2923.121, no longer applies to licensees so long as 1.) they do not consume alcohol in the liquor permit facility, not even a sip, and 2.) they are not already under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The licensee is cautioned, however, that liquor permit facilities are still private property, and private property owners may ban all firearms (or all yellow neckties etc) simply by posting a sign to that effect. The important difference is that a liquor permit facility owner posting a sign is only creating a trespass violation; they are not putting the licensee back under the felony penalties of our liquor permit prohibition."

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8003



I'm pretty happy with Ohio's laws overall aside from the requirement to inform an officer during a traffic stop.

Sam1911
February 23, 2013, 12:28 AM
1.) they do not consume alcohol in the liquor permit facility, not even a sip, and 2.) they are not already under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The licensee is cautioned, however, that liquor permit facilities are still private property, and private property owners may ban all firearms (or all yellow neckties etc) simply by posting a sign to that effect. The important difference is that a liquor permit facility owner posting a sign is only creating a trespass violationWell, that's still not quite the way it works in PA, but a lot closer.

giggitygiggity
February 23, 2013, 01:12 AM
For clarification, switchblades are not legal in PA. You cannot own knives that project a blade through the use of a spring. For instance, a Benchmade Infidel is illegal as are switchblades.

Gun laws in PA are good. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are the worst parts of the state as they are the liberal regions and the only reason PA always votes democrat in national elections. The rest of the state is comprised of hard working, gun loving conservatives generally speaking.

MachIVshooter
February 23, 2013, 04:10 AM
Of the three, I would choose PA.

coloradokevin
February 23, 2013, 04:56 AM
I grew up in Ohio 5 mins from PA, and 25 mins from WV. All three have their quirks, a few dumb laws here and there. But nothing that I would consider leaving or moving to another for.

That's kind of my thoughts on the issue. I lived in Ohio for 23 years, and had family in both PA and WV during that time (still have family in OH and PA today). Each state has its quirks, none is perfect, but none of them are all that bad for gun owners, either.

I'd venture a guess at saying you'll find better areas to shoot in WV or PA, but maybe that's just based on the areas I know. In OH I couldn't find much better than 100 yard ranges that were open to the public in most places, unless you had a connection with some private land. PA and WV seem to have some less developed areas than Ohio, which helps when looking for areas to shoot.

I never really noticed that issue until I moved out west. Out here, if I drive an hour and a half from here I can shoot to distances beyond the reach of any centerfire rifle. My "local" range is 600 yards. But, I don't think there's really all that much difference between PA, WV, and OH in that regard.

Ohio's concealed carry is a good bit stricter than what we have out here in Colorado, but I don't know how it compares to PA or WV.

thorazine
February 23, 2013, 05:28 AM
Since becoming a firearm owner (legal age) I spent a little over ten years in FL and thought their firearm laws were great.

Then I moved to PA the just the other year and I am very pleased.

Comparison (one of many):

Concealed weapons permit initial application.

FL - close to ninety day wait cost was over one hundred dollars (approx).
PA - same day less then twenty minutes cost was around twenty dollars (approx).

Huge climate change though.. good thing I can tolerate the cold a lot better than I can tolerate the heat and humidity.

jon_in_wv
February 23, 2013, 10:18 AM
When I contacted Joe Manchin his reply was not that gun friendly..

He is a US Senator now and has little to nothing to do with WV state laws any more. He was a supporter of gun rights when he was the Governor. Sadly, now he has betrayed us he may impact he Federal gun laws affecting all three states. I strongly suspect his term in congress will end when WV votes in the next election. They love to vote for democrats but they love their guns even more.

md2lgyk
February 23, 2013, 12:35 PM
Uncle Richard's earlier post is incorrect. In WV, a CCW permit does NOT take the place of the NICS check just yet. I bought a pistol a month or so ago from my LGS and was told that would not happen until all counties in the state went to a standardized permit. Mine is plastic like a credit card and has my photo on it. In other counties, the photo is optional. In yet others, the permit is still paper. I don't really understand why that's a problem, since the requirements for a permit are the same everywhere.

Of the three states mentioned, I wouldn't live in any of them but WV. PA has a commonwealth form of government, and their tax laws are really weird. Same for their liquor laws. And Ohio is just a boring stretch of I-70 on the way to somewhere else.

jon_in_wv
February 23, 2013, 07:01 PM
But to be fair, taxes in WV are pretty ridiculous too. When I lived in Minnesota I claimed married and and one and I got about 1200 bucks a year income tax refund. Here I claim single and zero (I'm still married though) and still pay in an extra 35 bucks a paycheck to make sure I don't get penalized for underpaying. Add your property taxes, which included hundreds of dollars for your vehicles, including ATVs, motorcycles, your dog, etc......and the tax rate here is just sickening. If you move in to the state you will have to pay a nice sum ($1400 in my case) to register your cars here.

BullfrogKen
February 23, 2013, 08:03 PM
Yes PA has terribly archaic liquor laws, and a dizzying Commonwealth style tax system.

But the firearms laws are great, and the amount of private non-for-profit gun clubs here make it my adopted home. I belong to a 600 & a 1,000 yard rifle range in addition to my local little handgun club.

dragon813gt
February 23, 2013, 11:09 PM
The liquor laws are not archaic. I don't need to be able to buy beer at the supermarket. And I don't need to buy beer and liquor at one store. Having beer distributors with a large selection instead of offerings from only the big breweries, like you get at Walmart in other states, is nice. Having to make a separate stop to purchase alcohol stops a lot of impulse purchases. Especially when it comes to wine & spirits. I don't see a need to be able to purchase it on Sundays. You can go one day a week without being able to buy it.

It's only the people from out of state that complain about the liquor laws. Which unfortunately are changing. Once there is no volume limits at supermarkets, like there are now which is a 12 pack. You will see a lot of the mom and pop distributors go out of business. All for the sake of convenience. Being able to sell wine & spirits as a private business should drive costs down. Even though the state leverages it's buying power our prices are higher than NJ and DE. But I still see no need to have it at the grocery store. I guess it's because I was born and raised here but I prefer it the way it is compared to other states.

I also don't see what the deal is about the taxes. Federal/State and a 1% local tax comes out of my check. State sales tax is 6% except for in Philly and Pittsburgh which are slightly higher. There are school and property taxes if you own a home. It's not hard to understand the tax system, even if you run a business.


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Sam1911
February 23, 2013, 11:14 PM
You may like them, but they are still archaic.

Adjective
Very old or old-fashioned.
(of a word or a style of language) No longer in everyday use but sometimes used to impart an old-fashioned flavor.
Synonyms
obsolete - antiquated - old - ancient - out-of-date


But let's not get off on alcohol rights (or the tax issues) -- that's not THR's mission.

Ironclad
February 24, 2013, 01:39 AM
I guess it doesn't matter since me and my fiance will get ccw's anyway, but do any of the states allow car carry without a permit? I'm used to Missouri where you anybody over 21 can car carry.

Also, thanks for pointing out that OH and PA don't take each others permits, which would be terrible as it is common for me to hit all three states in one day. But it looks like a WV permit would be good in the whole area.

BullfrogKen
February 24, 2013, 02:53 AM
A PA residency LTC with an easy-to-get Utah mail order permit will get you Ohio. That's what I use when I go into Ohio.


Move to Ohio, and you have to undergo their process first

Move into PA, and you go through a very simple process to get our state's LTC for PA, and an easy-to-get - but not without some classroom and fingerprints - Utah mail-order permit to travel into Ohio.

PA is an easy to get LTC state, easy meaning if you're a law-abiding citizen. Ohio and West Virginia make you jump through a state class, which is not hard but just burdensome.

Sam1911
February 24, 2013, 08:35 AM
Ironclad -- PA allows car carry for anyone who has any permit from any state, whether PA officially recognizes that state's CCW license or not.

Mr. D
February 24, 2013, 10:43 AM
BTW, switchblades are ILLEGAL in PA as and so is carrying any weapon on school property. If I am reading it correctly, it also seems that we can't use Tasers in PA as well.

908. Prohibited offensive weapons.
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the
first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs,
sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive
weapon.
(b) Exceptions.--
(1) It is a defense under this section for the defendant
to prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed or
dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic
performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade
or incendiary device, he complied with the National Firearms
Act (26 U.S.C. 5801 et seq.), or that he possessed it
briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from an
aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any
intent or likelihood that the weapon would be used
unlawfully.
(2) This section does not apply to police forensic
firearms experts or police forensic firearms laboratories.
Also exempt from this section are forensic firearms experts
or forensic firearms laboratories operating in the ordinary
course of business and engaged in lawful operation who notify
in writing, on an annual basis, the chief or head of any
police force or police department of a city, and, elsewhere,
the sheriff of a county in which they are located, of the
possession, type and use of offensive weapons.
(3) This section shall not apply to any person who
makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or
possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws
of this Commonwealth.
(c) Definitions.--As used in this section, the following
words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this
subsection:
"Firearm." Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be
converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive
or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
"Offensive weapons." Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-
off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially
made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge,
any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or
cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an
automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or
otherwise, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic
or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of
serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.
(d) Exemptions.--The use and possession of blackjacks by the
following persons in the course of their duties are exempt from
this section:
(1) Police officers, as defined by and who meet the
requirements of the act of June 18, 1974 (P.L.359, No.120),
referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training
Law.
(2) Police officers of first class cities who have
successfully completed training which is substantially
equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police
Education and Training Law.
(3) Pennsylvania State Police officers.
(4) Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties
who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal
Police Education and Training Law.
(5) Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who
have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal
Police Education and Training Law.
(6) Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined
by the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency.
(7) Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily
met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and
Training Law.
(Dec. 20, 1983, P.L.291, No.78, eff. imd.; July 6, 1984,
P.L.647, No.134, eff. 90 days; July 11, 1985, P.L.235, No.58,
eff. 60 days; Oct. 4, 1994, P.L.571, No.84, eff. 60 days; Nov.
6, 2002, P.L.1096, No.132, eff. 60 days)



Title 18, Section 908 (http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.009.008.000..HTM)

Title 18 (http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/htm/18/18.htm)

22-rimfire
February 24, 2013, 10:50 AM
As I recall, switchblades are illegal to carry in PA but not possess essentially as a curio. Not a big deal in my opinion.

browneu
February 24, 2013, 12:29 PM
You can carry concealed in your car in Ohio too.

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flatlander937
February 24, 2013, 05:00 PM
You can carry concealed in your car in Ohio too.

With a permit(the OP asked about WITHOUT a permit).

You can OC in Ohio, but you can't carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle without your CCW license.

josephbw
February 24, 2013, 05:09 PM
You can carry a gun in your car in OH without a CCW. But there are several restrictions, one of which is, it can't be within reach of an occupant in the car. IOW, put it in the trunk with the ammo separated from the gun.

BullfrogKen
February 24, 2013, 05:40 PM
Johnny,

That map is wrong about PA. Openly carried firearms are lawful except in a declared state of emergency, at which time a License to Carry a firearm is required to openly carry a firearm.

dragon813gt
February 24, 2013, 06:15 PM
The map is about vehicle carry, not open carry. The map is correct. Without a CCW permit the firearm must be unloaded and in the trunk of the car.


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Bill4282
February 24, 2013, 06:19 PM
Wheeling WV. Good sized city with good medical facilities. At the bottom of the panhandle, across the river from OH and 20 minutes from PA.

Sam1911
February 24, 2013, 06:33 PM
Right, Ken -- that's car carry. Gotta have either your PA LCTF -- or any carry permit from any state, regardless of if it is one PA officially "recognizes" or not.

jon_in_wv
February 24, 2013, 06:36 PM
In OHio the CCW must be on your person too. You can't keep it in the console or glove box. They also have the instant notify clause when you are pulled over. Check youtube and see some dandy results of that ignorant law.

BullfrogKen
February 24, 2013, 07:02 PM
Gotcha, I saw the link to opencarry.org and figured that's what it was about - openly carrying a firearm.

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