Guns in America PBS show


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vito
February 22, 2013, 08:21 AM
I watched a show on PBS the other night titled "Guns in America, after Newtown". Although they did have several pro-gun folks featured, the overall tone of the show was clearly anti-gun. For the most part it seemed to say we need more gun control to reduce crime and the risk of mass shootings, but acknowledge that hunters have a right to have guns since hunting is such a central part of our culture which goes back to the settling of America. I thought it interesting also that they place the blame on Samuel Colt, saying that gun deaths became a problem only after the invention of his famous revolver. I don't recall much if any of the show focusing on the right of self defense let alone the value of an armed citizenry as a protection against tyranny. I wondered how many THR readers saw this show and saw it the way I did. I was not surprised at the perspective of the show because after all, it was done by PBS.

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JohnM
February 22, 2013, 08:30 AM
PBS is totally anti gun, top to bottom.

Certaindeaf
February 22, 2013, 08:32 AM
Big Bird hates guns.

JFtheGR8
February 22, 2013, 09:06 AM
Just watched it. While trying to appear unbiased it was full of anti-gun misinformation. The statement was made about how easy ANY semi-auto could be modified to full auto. People that don't know any better believe these kind of statements. Statements made by several antis interviewed reflect that an AWB is only a start to gun control. They want total confiscation so don't be fooled.


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22-rimfire
February 22, 2013, 09:26 AM
A lot of people believe IF it is shown on PBS, the information presented is factual versus being an opinion piece.

11c2v
February 22, 2013, 09:31 AM
[I] don't believe ANYTHING on PBS. They will not air anything that they can't put a spin on. So glad they take my tax dollars and recycle them on those worthless meat bags.

vtail
February 22, 2013, 09:50 AM
I was going to watch it, until I saw it was on PBS. I decided it would just be an hour of my life I could never get back, so I didn't.

jgiehl
February 22, 2013, 05:41 PM
The one I watched yesterday was more so on beefing up security and improving mental health and the overall school community as a whole sticking together to help prevent things like this from happening again. Interesting but could easily be slanted left right quick and in a hurry.
Just my 2 cents.

Vern Humphrey
February 22, 2013, 05:50 PM
PBS is the Government Propaganda Network, created by Lyndon Baines Johnson to push his "Great Society."

JFtheGR8
February 22, 2013, 06:36 PM
The one I watched yesterday was more so on beefing up security and improving mental health and the overall school community as a whole sticking together to help prevent things like this from happening again. Interesting but could easily be slanted left right quick and in a hurry.
Just my 2 cents.

Watched that one too. The other program was more about gun control.


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Cesiumsponge
February 22, 2013, 06:39 PM
Wait until Kris Koenig's pro-gun Assaulted documentary airs on PBS. That'll really rattle their cages. I believe post-production is supposed to be finished in March and distribution on PBS and certain theaters begins!

Texan Scott
February 22, 2013, 06:52 PM
I loved Sesame Street as a child (I've stopped watching now that Cookie Monster is a vegetarian weight-loss fanatic ... what happened, man? C is for Cookie, that used to be good enough for you, dude! You've changed.).

But with all respect to Big Bird, PBS needs to be defunded. Oscar the Grouch's song "I Love Trash" seems to be the only one that still fits there.

JohnBT
February 22, 2013, 07:50 PM
I watched all of it and enjoyed most of it. Compared to the hatchet job I expected, it was fairly well balanced...

...except that the show before it was about Billy the Kid - teenaged murderer, killer, jail breaker and all around desperado.

They couldn't show a movie about Alvin York or someone else who used a gun for good and was an honest person? No, since it was gun night they featured Billy the Kid. I know, they didn't do it on purpose.

:)

StockKahr
February 22, 2013, 08:11 PM
I watched all of it and enjoyed most of it. Compared to the hatchet job I expected, it was fairly well balanced...

...except that the show before it was about Billy the Kid - teenaged murderer, killer, jail breaker and all around desperado.

They couldn't show a movie about Alvin York or someone else who used a gun for good and was an honest person? No, since it was gun night they featured Billy the Kid. I know, they didn't do it on purpose.

:)
This was my take as well. The pro gunners got as much air time as the antis, if not more. Obviously it wasn't going to be a pro-gun program if they wanted to keep their government funding. I didn't hear an overwhelming anti-gun rights slant overall, though. (Except from the Philadelphia police chief and the college professor... No surprise there.) I was more annoyed by the piece on 3D printing of lowers and magazines, which was clearly intended to shock the uninformed viewer.

MachIVshooter
February 22, 2013, 09:12 PM
The statement was made about how easy ANY semi-auto could be modified to full auto.

Well, it's true............if you're a machinist.

XD 45acp
February 22, 2013, 09:16 PM
PBS=Pure Bull Sh--

Leanwolf
February 23, 2013, 01:02 AM
PBS = Prolitariat Broadcasting System.

L.W.

TNBilly
February 23, 2013, 12:21 PM
I'm with you XD..... and I have to wonder how many here send them money!

DanTheFarmer
February 23, 2013, 01:57 PM
I watched it and thought it was pretty well balanced as well. I'm with others who noticed the statement about the easy conversion of semi to full auto. I know it isn't legal to do so but I'm not sure how difficult it is to do so if one is willing violate the law.

Just so I get this right. Is the conversion simply a question of swapping parts? Are the necessary "full auto" parts controlled items or can I order them from Midway/Brownell's/etc.?

I haven't heard of illegally converted weapons being used very often in crimes. Does anyone know the stats? (I have heard the claim that only 2 legal full autos have been used in crimes since 1934).

My uninformed belief is that converting semi autos to full autos rarely happens in the real world. Further, those converted full autos are even more rarely used in crimes so efforts to improve public safety could be better spent on other problems. In other words, "semi auto conversion is not low hanging fruit". Please let me know if I'm on track here.

Thanks.

Dan

Rembrandt
February 23, 2013, 02:36 PM
Watched them....crafty technique of demonizing guns. First they try to educate the viewer with historical background, then they cut to an emotional theme by talking about the increased "deaths" the gun brought. This goes back and forth.....history-then-death.....history-then-death. Viewer is left with the implication that guns equal death. No pro gun message here.

Dropyourweapon
February 23, 2013, 02:52 PM
I will not speak for every PBS show but from my experience Frontline seems to do a pretty darn good job of staying objective. That cannot be easily said for lots of stuff I see on one side or the other. If you are looking for pro or anti gun show go somewhere else.

scaatylobo
February 23, 2013, 03:13 PM
Spot on [ as is your nom de plume here ].

I do not send them ANY money and I do not send ANY to any organization or charity etc that does not share my beliefs.

The PBS and its ilk are the same as the radio program that asks [ BEGS ] for my money and then plays the BBC news hourly,when I called to ask why, they were shocked that as an American I did not care what the Brits thought about my country or how I should run my life.

I used to support them as they play classical music,and I was happy to inform them as to why that ended.

In the same vein,I am happy to see gun makers that are NOT willing to sell to any state that bans its citizens from owning the same tools of freedom,that the state own !.

Sam1911
February 23, 2013, 03:36 PM
Just so I get this right. Is the conversion simply a question of swapping parts? Are the necessary "full auto" parts controlled items or can I order them from Midway/Brownell's/etc.? Converting a gun to shoot full auto can be done in several different ways. Some are easy, some are dangerous, some are complicated.

Some parts that convert guns to full-auto, called "Drop In Auto Sears (DIAS)" or "Lightning Links," are considered to BE a machine gun all by themselves, and are registered by the BATFE under the National Firearms Act. Or, if not, are illegal. They simply are added to a host gun, and cause the hammer to trip again once the bolt is fully closed.

In other cases, the full-auto control parts are not regulated in any way -- like the original style fire-control parts from an M-16 or AK -- but drilling the extra holes in the gun's receiver which would allow you to install them IS illegal. (That act itself is considered to be creating an unregistered machine gun.)

In yet other cases, folks just grind down a disconnector or some other part so that the gun becomes a "runaway" -- slam-firing over and over until empty. That's illegal, but also crazy dangerous as those guns tend to fire before the action closes and blow themselves (and their operators) up.

OilyPablo
February 23, 2013, 03:45 PM
And so many crimes are committed by these full auto guns escaping and going on a rampage all by themselves.

PBS? Who knew??

Shadow 7D
February 23, 2013, 04:03 PM
3 recorded usages of legal machinegun....
as for illegal, they are pretty rare, they eat ammo, are difficult to accurately fire etc...

JohnBT
February 23, 2013, 06:00 PM
"and I have to wonder how many here send them money! "

If you pay federal taxes, you do. We all do. To the tune of $430,000,000 in 2011.

I prefer the Wealth Channel. You know, castles, big yachts, hot air balloon rides over exotic places. Places that won't let me in. :)

DanTheFarmer
February 23, 2013, 06:55 PM
Thank you Sam1911 for answering my questions. You confirmed what I already knew or suspected and added a lot of information to what I didn't know already.

I'll feel confident in rebutting the "semi's are easy to convert" argument the next time I hear it.

Dan

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