Glock Gen 3 or 4?


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TheCracker
February 22, 2013, 02:24 PM
So I'm wanting do dive into the word of Glocks. I've never shot one much less owned one. I really want a G19 and plan to get one once all the craziness dies down.

I have studied and know the changed made to te Gen 4 but am a little Leary ad have heard some like the Gen 3 better.

I'm looking for opinions from the experts on here. Which one do you guys like better and why?

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psyopspec
February 22, 2013, 02:29 PM
I have a couple of each. All of my future purchases will be Gen 4s unless I find a particularly good deal on a Gen 3, but have no plans whatsoever to get rid of my current Gen 3s.

The reason for me is that my paws are a little on the smaller side and the Gen 4s without a backstrap are just a bit easier to shoot well. I also prefer the larger button for the magazine release. Speaking in general terms, I don't dislike either.

wolf695
February 22, 2013, 02:39 PM
I use a 3rd gen glock she does a good job! I was a hard core beretta man, but once I put the glock through its paces it surprised me! shes lighter, she is a dead on shooting machine. The 4th gen has to much toys with it, the change out back strap, bad!!! if you really use your glock, you will drop it! kick it, stratch it up! A 4th gen wont take the beating!

TonyT
February 22, 2013, 03:10 PM
I have shot a G-17 (3rd gen) for several years with no malfunctions. IRecently I saw two people at our local club with 4th gen G-19's and both were experiencing ejection malfunctions and very weak ejection. Personally I would stay away from gen4 guns until I see then functioning reliably.

Levan9X19
February 22, 2013, 03:12 PM
greetings,
for me glock and its legendary reputation is associated with gen 3 models. they work! I will opt for 3rd gen all the time.

TheCracker
February 22, 2013, 05:43 PM
I've been worried about the reliability. Have heard that re g4 19's have extraction problems ESP in weaker ammo.

TheCracker
February 22, 2013, 05:44 PM
I have a couple of each. All of my future purchases will be Gen 4s unless I find a particularly good deal on a Gen 3, but have no plans whatsoever to get rid of my current Gen 3s.

The reason for me is that my paws are a little on the smaller side and the Gen 4s without a backstrap are just a bit easier to shoot well. I also prefer the larger button for the magazine release. Speaking in general terms, I don't dislike either.

I have smaller hands and this is good to know!

Thanks!

1KPerDay
February 22, 2013, 05:48 PM
if you really use your glock, you will drop it! kick it, stratch it up! A 4th gen wont take the beating!
Horse puckey. :)

capcyclone
February 22, 2013, 07:20 PM
I have a Gen3 26 and love it. I know there are plenty of Glock haters out there, but I don't think you can go wrong with a Gen3 or Gen4. They do their job.

Dan-O
February 22, 2013, 07:24 PM
Or better yet, get a Gen 2.

1KPerDay
February 22, 2013, 07:41 PM
Or better yet, get a Gen 2.
Now with more kaboom! :D

JTQ
February 22, 2013, 08:08 PM
I've been worried about the reliability. Have heard that re g4 19's have extraction problems ESP in weaker ammo.
Sure they did when the Gen 4's first came out, but that is old news.

I'm not a Glock fan, but they are a quality gun company. They had an initial problems with the dual recoil spring with the G17/G19 when they first came out. It took a few try's but I'm pretty sure they've fixed them.

If the Gen 4 feels better in your hand, and you have a need for the larger mag release button, get it. I would be confident both generations of current manufacture Glock's will be equally reliable.

SpentCasing
February 22, 2013, 08:14 PM
My EDC is a Gen4 G19.
My favorite range/comp/training gun is a Gen3 G17.

Both are good to go, but if I had to sell one itd be the 17. I would then replace it with a Gen4 17 or 34. I really prefer the Gen4 and itll be Gen4 from here on out, but nothing wrong with the 3s.

Hapworth
February 22, 2013, 09:57 PM
The Gen4 17s and 19s at rollout had real problems. By a wide margin, the new RSAs and ejectors have fixed things.

12gaugeTim
February 22, 2013, 10:03 PM
Or better yet, get a Gen 2.

I'm pretty sure you have to get those registered as destructive devices with the ATF...

mrvco
February 23, 2013, 01:39 AM
I just bought a Gen4 17 and am absolutely in love with the no-backstrap grip and the new grip texture. My Gen3 35 is about to go up for sale and be replaced with a Gen4 35.

wlewisiii
February 23, 2013, 02:08 AM
If you can, go Gen 2. No ugly finger grooves that may, or may not, fit your hand. Call Glock & if it hasn't had the recall, send it. Free rebuild. Plus two new free mags and new sights (at least for mine.)

No kabooms.

Bobson
February 23, 2013, 02:11 AM
I bought my first Glock (Gen3 G19) a short while after Gen4 hit shelves. I was concerned that Gen4 might have issues, and knew Gen3 was solid. I'm glad I chose Gen3, if only because I don't care for the backstraps or larger mag release.

The Gen3 G19 is still my only Glock, and I'm really hoping they continue to produce Gen3s so I have time to pick up a NIB Gen3 G23, G30, and G34. Problem is I'm planning to start law school in Fall 2014, so it'll be a few years before I can afford all three of those, and I don't see Gen3 Glocks still being produced in four years.

TreeDoc
February 23, 2013, 06:11 AM
gen 3 G26 for me. Glock designed the duel spring for that gun right the first time. Have had others, but the 26 is more accurate and reliable. Maybe I just got lucky?

justice06rr
February 23, 2013, 06:59 AM
This is almost always gonna be a user preference when it comes to Gen 3 vs 4.

I have a Gen3 G19 while a buddy has the Gen4. I've shot both and still love my Gen3, while he loves his brand new Gen4. Some Gen4's are known to have ejection quirks/issues that Gen3's don't have.

Also the Gen4's grip seem to have more rougher stippling from my observation, which is why I like my Gen3 better.

edwardcii
February 23, 2013, 12:55 PM
No question for me. Gen 4.

I've had several from each, and both have been reliable. Gen 4 has some small improvements. Also an extra mag for non LE.

For instance, on a 40, the gen 4 has noticeably less recoil imo. Probably because of the recoil spring. All of mine have had at least 1000 rounds through them and are my most trusted pistols ahead of the sigs, beretta, and czs I own.

I have sold all my gen 3s and won't buy another since there are enough small improvements imo to stay with gen 4. Grips, texture, mags, recoil, etc. I think they got a bad rep early on, but like I said, mine have been most trust worthy.

TheCracker
February 23, 2013, 09:34 PM
Thanks for the input so far.

Anyone else shot both and notice a reduced perceived recoil?

sigma 40ve
February 23, 2013, 09:53 PM
FWIW, here is my opinion.....
I own 14 Glocks. Of that 12 are gen 3's. One is a gen 2 and the other is a gen4 G17. I cannot get the gen4 G17 to shoot as accurately as my G17 gen 3's. I have tried several different loads. My wife has the same inaccurate issues out of it. We each can shoot any of my gen3's and get an accurate group, then shoot the gen4 for an inaccurate group. I can say recoil does seem somewhat softer out of my gen4. However, forget the recoil I want an accurate pistol. I do plan on keeping the gen4. I will use it for an experimental pistol to see just how much abuse it can take. I have to admit I bought it using my GSSF coupon to get the 3 magazines. I figure after what the mags are worth I got the pistol for around $300. Give me a gen3 anyday.

psyopspec
February 24, 2013, 12:42 AM
Anyone else shot both and notice a reduced perceived recoil?

In my case, it's hard to say. The Gen 4s are competition size, and my Gen 3s are compact/subcompact. All are tame in 9mm, so it could just be something I've never noticed, and given the different frame sizes it would be tough to decide which had the least amount of recoil based on the new recoil spring isolated from the different frame sizes.

daytodaze
February 24, 2013, 02:20 AM
I have a gen 4 g27, which I carry everywhere, and a gen 3 g22, which I shoot often. I see no reason to upgrade my g22, but if I were buying it today, I would definitely get a gen 4. The grip texture and the larger mag release sold me, and the extra magazine is a nice bonus

PabloJ
February 24, 2013, 02:52 AM
So I'm wanting do dive into the word of Glocks. I've never shot one much less owned one. I really want a G19 and plan to get one once all the craziness dies down.

I have studied and know the changed made to te Gen 4 but am a little Leary ad have heard some like the Gen 3 better.

I'm looking for opinions from the experts on here. Which one do you guys like better and why?
If you're left handed and/or intend to shoot stiff cartridges in the gun by all means get GIV.
For example if one wants new full size .40, .357, 10, or .45GAP I see no point in getting Gen III gun. If you intend to shoot commercial 9x19 cartridges or 9x19NATO rounds then new Gen III gun should serve perfectly fine.

helitack32f1
February 24, 2013, 03:18 AM
I prefer the Gen 4 myself. I like the ability to change the grip, I like the grip texture better on the gen 4 and I like the recoil spring on the gen 4 better, now that they seem to have ironed out the issues some were having with the 9MM variety.

However, I have carried a gen 2 G23 since about 1994. I carry inside the waist band and so that means that, depending on how I dress, the gun may be in direct contact with my skin. This is not a problem with the smooth texture of pre-gen 4 guns but COULD be an issue with the more aggressive gen 4 texture.

Averageman
February 24, 2013, 01:15 PM
I was looking to purchase my first Glock(s) when the Gen IV first was comming out. The problems then have for the most part been solved now.
If I were in the market today I would get a Gen IV G 22 AND a threaded 9mm conversion barrel and call it good.
As a matter of fact I might just do that when all of this settles down again.

REAPER4206969
February 24, 2013, 06:06 PM
GEN3 with no hesitation.

Johnny Lightning
February 24, 2013, 08:47 PM
Gen 3. The gen 4 textured grip is uncomfortable at best.

KAS1981
February 24, 2013, 09:33 PM
Gen 4.

I like the shorter grip & grip texture.

JTQ
February 27, 2013, 09:34 AM
PabloJ wrote,
If you're left handed and/or intend to shoot stiff cartridges in the gun by all means get GIV.
I don't know, I'm just asking, but does the big mag release button on the Gen 4 get in the way of the left hander's trigger finger?

griz1
February 27, 2013, 10:49 AM
Gen 3 all the way. Own a G26 and G19. Won't buy a Gen 4, to many reported problems.

ku4hx
February 27, 2013, 10:53 AM
The 4th gen has to much toys with it, the change out back strap, bad!!! if you really use your glock, you will drop it! kick it, stratch it up! A 4th gen wont take the beating!
Pretty drastic claim there. If you don't mind, I'd like to see your references and comparative data that supports your position.

RBid
February 27, 2013, 12:44 PM
I have a G23 (Gen 3) that I love. If the option had been there at the time, I'd have grabbed a Gen 4. I prefer the texture of the Gen 3, but the larger mag release is a win, and the new spring is a win for everything beyond 9mm. As I type this, I'm about 20 minutes from trading my PPQ 9mm for a G19 (Gen 4). I'll likely try to pick up Gen 4s for my next 23 and 19.

tarosean
February 27, 2013, 01:22 PM
Your biggest problem will be finding one at a reasonable rate. Generation dont matter.

While I am not personally a fan of Glock, my wife is, and she has settled on a G19 for CCW. Which is beginning to be a headache for me. Unless you really feel like paying well above MSRP.

g_one
February 27, 2013, 01:40 PM
I've found that for a sub-compact CCW (like my 26), the new texture on the Gen 4's is AMAZING. On a full-sized, it's still helpful but doesn't make so much of a difference. Where I found the Gen 4 really got my was the new recoil spring assembly. I'm not a physicist, so maybe it's just mind over matter, but I definitely noticed a difference for the better.

PabloJ
February 27, 2013, 02:03 PM
I don't know, I'm just asking, but does the big mag release button on the Gen 4 get in the way of the left hander's trigger finger?
I shoot Federal HydraShok loads (.40 ballistics) using either right or left hand and larger safety bothers me less then 3rd gen one when shooting using left hand. I suspect oval safety catch would be even nicer but we can't get those in US.

dbp
February 27, 2013, 02:13 PM
http://tractiongrips.com/

If you don't like the grip, try these. I have them for both my Gen 4 26 and Beretta Nano. I really like the texture. Both guns feel really good now. It really helped the Nano more so than the Glock, but they are both an improvement for me.

friscolatchi
February 27, 2013, 05:15 PM
Gen 4 G19 hands down, for me at least. My second 9mm pistol purchased, didn't like the Glock circa 2008 - too "blocky". Now, my main carry piece for winter. Now I say, "where have you been all my life"!

horsemen61
February 27, 2013, 05:26 PM
My edc is a gen3 19 and I love it

bill3424
February 27, 2013, 06:02 PM
The adjustable backstraps did it for me. I'm a bit more comfortable with the bigger mag release and grip of the Gen4's. All mine work 100%.

Inebriated
February 27, 2013, 08:08 PM
The Gen 4 is everything I want a Glock to be. I'll likely never buy a Gen 3 again.

If only those Glock beavertail backstraps made it to market...

otasan56
February 28, 2013, 10:31 AM
I have a Gen 3 G17, and I love it. EDC 24/7/365. WW 115gr 9mm JHP +p+.

walt501
February 28, 2013, 04:19 PM
My experience with a Gen 4 Model 21 that I bought new one month ago. Your mileage may vary -

"Perfection - Lost" I purchased my first Glock twenty years ago and have purchased several more since. All have been unfailingly reliable with good trigger pulls and brass ejection. I saw the Gen 4 models for the first time at the 2010 NRA convention in Charlotte, NC and knew that I would own one eventually, but after reading of some teething problems with the new model I waited. I finally bought my Model 21 Gen 4 a month ago. Immediately, I noticed the heavier trigger pull compared to my other Glocks, but I hoped this would lighten up some with use. After my first range visit this past Monday, all I can say is I have lost confidence in Glock. Out of 25 rounds fired, I had two pieces of brass eject and hit me in the forehead, something that has never happened in thousands of rounds fired with my other Glocks. Also, the extremely heavy trigger pull destroys accuracy. So at this point, I'm faced with either throwing parts at it to correct the problems or sending it off to a gunsmith to improve the trigger and ejection. For a company that says they're "Perfection", this is totally unacceptable to deliver a pistol with these shortcomings. I'll be holding off purchasing any more Glocks......at least until they come out with the Gen 5!

Big_John1961
March 1, 2013, 12:32 AM
I use a 3rd gen glock she does a good job! I was a hard core beretta man, but once I put the glock through its paces it surprised me! shes lighter, she is a dead on shooting machine. The 4th gen has to much toys with it, the change out back strap, bad!!! if you really use your glock, you will drop it! kick it, stratch it up! A 4th gen wont take the beating!.
You have personal experience with this? Because I find it hard to believe. There's not enough changes between Gen 3 & 4 to warrant such a statement.

tarosean
March 1, 2013, 01:01 AM
There's not enough changes between Gen 3 & 4 to warrant such a statement.

Really? The change from machined small parts to injected molded is a pretty big matzah ball..

dbp
March 1, 2013, 01:06 AM
Really? The change from machined small parts to injected molded is a pretty big matzah ball..
Which parts changed from machined to molded?

tarosean
March 1, 2013, 01:09 AM
Locking block, firing pin and the now infamous extractor...

dbp
March 1, 2013, 01:21 AM
Locking block, firing pin and the now infamous extractor...
Didn't know that. On all models? I have the Gen 4 26 and haven't had any issues, but have only put 750 rds through it.

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