So Mexico wants a registry of border state gun owners?


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Grassman
February 22, 2013, 03:51 PM
According to this news clip....

http://www.wnd.com/wnd_video/mexico-wants-a-registry-of-u-s-gun-owners-2/

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PRM
February 22, 2013, 03:53 PM
LOL...don't think that will happen.

IROCZ
February 22, 2013, 03:54 PM
What!

armabill
February 22, 2013, 03:55 PM
So they know where to steal the guns!

Sam1911
February 22, 2013, 03:56 PM
Ok...so Mexico's legislature voted to ask the US federal government to do something that is against US law.

They can ask for anything they want...

Certaindeaf
February 22, 2013, 03:56 PM
I'd prefer a registry of all illegals. and bells on their necks

wicked251
February 22, 2013, 03:56 PM
Barry will give it to them in exchange for votes.

Sam1911
February 22, 2013, 03:59 PM
Barry will give it to them in exchange for votes.Votes?...in the Mexican legislature? :scrutiny:

"Barry" CAN'T give it to them.

KMatch
February 22, 2013, 04:00 PM
Uh, that's an easy task for us at least. For a list of gun owners in Texas, just grab a phone book. Done.

phil dirt
February 22, 2013, 04:06 PM
Quote:
Barry will give it to them in exchange for votes.
Votes?...in the Mexican legislature?

"Barry" CAN'T give it to them.
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He would if he thought he could get away with it.

ThorinNNY
February 22, 2013, 04:08 PM
Why don`t we counter by demanding the government of Mejico (Mexico) pay the USA 10 barrels of oil for each of their nationals who enter the USA illegally?
Better yet demand a registry of all Mexican nationals who have been convicted of any violations more serious than illegal parking? Then when we nab one of them on that list charge Mexico One Million Dollars , for each and everyone we nab?

mrvco
February 22, 2013, 04:08 PM
Uh, that's an easy task for us at least. For a list of gun owners in Texas, just grab a phone book. Done.
Shipping them a pallet of phone books from the border states would be a pretty hilarious response to such an idiotic request.

gym
February 22, 2013, 04:10 PM
Ok I want a registry of all of the illegal border crossings, and Taco Stands. Why do they think we care what they want?

Old Fuff
February 22, 2013, 04:12 PM
Past experience tells me that our president might consider the request to be a good excuse to propose a law that would make such a list possible. :rolleyes:

gym
February 22, 2013, 04:39 PM
I had a friend, and ex employee who lives near the Border, Los Cruces, in New Mexico. I haven't spoken to him in 3 years, after he flew up to talk about opening a computer business, and wanted to buy some pot and smoke it with his 16 yr old Daughter who he brought along with him, I told him we don't allow that kind of behavior, and that he should leave, he turned into a freak of some kind, but he lived in new mexico,for the past 25 yrs, and told us that you could drive right into mexico without being stopped, right from the highway, he was doing computer repairs in border towns, and other dirty places on both sides of the border, and charging rediculous prices. I kind of was suspect who his clients were, and he would not make it home one night. But he insisted that you can drive right in from a main highway without going thru a checkpoint.
I found that hard to believe but he swore that if you stayed on the highway you entered mexico.

22-rimfire
February 22, 2013, 04:44 PM
If such a registry existed, what would they do with it?

351 WINCHESTER
February 22, 2013, 04:46 PM
Given the long border that we share with Mx I'm sure there are lots and lots of side roads that are not manned in anyway.

4season
February 22, 2013, 04:51 PM
Wait just a second. Mexico wants a US gun registry because of Fast and Furious? Does anyone else think this is pure crap? Mexico wants to keep track of legal gun owners in the US because the government conspired to supply drug cartels with weapons?

Now I am not a conspiracy nut or anything like that but this sure enforces my belief that anything government touches gets screwed up. I guess this just shows that Mexican government is even stupider than in the US.

r1derbike
February 22, 2013, 04:52 PM
I'd prefer a registry of all illegals. and bells on their necksAnd preferably, no fast-and-furious weapons in their hands.

With the current state of the border and Mexico, I believe the drug cartels would use the names of those on that illegally supplied document as a hit list, then steal all the weapons, smuggle them across the border, and continue to murder at will.

Idiots. Bona fide, card-carrying idiots (Mexican government).

Sam1911
February 22, 2013, 04:53 PM
He would if he thought he could get away with it.I'd nullify the NFA if I though I could get away with it. But he and I are both bound by the law, so we can't.

Tinman357
February 22, 2013, 05:00 PM
Judging by his actions, O'bammy doesn't appear to believe that the law restricts him in any way. I like the phone book idea.

MtnCreek
February 22, 2013, 05:00 PM
A reasonable response would be to politely acknowledge that firearms are smuggled into Mexico and assure them it will be stopped… Followed by completely shutting down our southern border.

Ignition Override
February 22, 2013, 05:04 PM
Certaindeaf:
You could probably go to any home under construction near Memphis, and check cars with Desoto County (MS) tags.
Most of the workers speak little or no habla ingles.

Listen for the exotic polka music echoing from the roof.

joeschmoe
February 22, 2013, 05:04 PM
Well it's proof that Mexico is still scapegoating American gunowners for thier epidemic of violence and corruption. Despite having almost no legal gun ownership in thier country then have over 100,000 murders per year. Some cities have 50 bodies a day. Sometimes dumped into a single pile on the street or shallow grave.

This is their version of a feel good measure to distract thier populace from thier violence. Blame us. Then when they don't get the list, they will blame us for that too.

Sam1911
February 22, 2013, 05:05 PM
Judging by his actions, O'bammy doesn't appear to believe that the law restricts him in any way.Ahhh, you mean like the long-dreaded list of Executive Orders he passed which banned guns, required NICS to reject all gun checks, required FFLs to stop selling ARs and 30rd. mags, declared AR-15s NFA weapons and all that other stuff folks said he would do because he doesn't care about the law?

That list of milquetoast E.O.s he finally came up with sure did look like he was restrained pretty tightly by what the law would allow him to do.

Or maybe he was just being really, really nice to us out of the goodness of his heart.

Texan Scott
February 22, 2013, 05:56 PM
Nothing they COULD do with such a list... unless you were stupid enough to go INTO Mexico, KNOWING that you were on a police list to be singled out for "special attention".

I guess I won't be sailing to Cancun or flying into Mexico City for dental work any time soon.

Attorney General Abbott, if you're reading, what would it take to get a shrink-wrapped pallet of Texas phone books delivered to the Mexican Capitol building with a dozen yellow roses and a note?

paintballdude902
February 22, 2013, 05:57 PM
lolz i think it would scare the crap out of the people trying to cross the border.... they would all cross at california instead

Old Fuff
February 22, 2013, 05:59 PM
I found that hard to believe but he swore that if you stayed on the highway you entered mexico.

I wouldn't call them highways, but there are roads of a sort that will take you close enough to the border so that you can drive cross-country into Mexico.

On the Mexican side there roads that run along the border - and go nowhere... :uhoh:

JFrame
February 22, 2013, 06:03 PM
Mexico can kiss my tuchus.


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single stack
February 22, 2013, 06:22 PM
Send them Eric Holder and George Gillett's addresses.
They export the most guns to Mexico, hands down.

beatledog7
February 22, 2013, 07:10 PM
Short letter from a real American president to the whatever he's called leader of Mexico IRT this request...

"Pack sand!"

ApacheCoTodd
February 22, 2013, 09:58 PM
Sure, we'l talk about that right after we talk about registering Mexican senders and recipients of wire transfers from the U.S. as the holders of potentially un-taxed income generated here.

Inebriated
February 22, 2013, 10:03 PM
Mexico can shove-it. If any country wants to know who owns guns, cars, tampons, or toothpicks in this country, they're more than welcome to come try and find out. Until then, it's nobody's business.

MachIVshooter
February 22, 2013, 10:08 PM
Give them a Texas phone book, a New Mexico phone book, an Arizona phone book and Diane Feinstein's address. That ought to cover it.

XD 45acp
February 22, 2013, 10:28 PM
Like Nugent sang... " They can Kiss My Glock "

Mphstiger1981
February 22, 2013, 10:32 PM
Molon labe, Amigo.

joeschmoe
February 22, 2013, 10:36 PM
Give them a Texas phone book, a New Mexico phone book, an Arizona phone book and Diane Feinstein's address. That ought to cover it.
Don't forget Sarah Brady.

Maia007
February 22, 2013, 10:48 PM
Mexico....what a country.

Deltaboy
February 22, 2013, 11:14 PM
Shame on Mexico and I won't ever visit there now.

Black Butte
February 23, 2013, 12:05 AM
Mexican lawmakers have more important things to worry about, like getting dipped for fleas.

snakeman
February 23, 2013, 12:10 AM
They would give this list to the cartels so the cartels could come take our guns and threaten our families. The do it on the border all the time.

allaroundhunter
February 23, 2013, 12:11 AM
I first vote to completely close the border with Mexico and create a registry of all immigrants in the US illegally...

Give them a Texas phone book, a New Mexico phone book, an Arizona phone book and Diane Feinstein's address. That ought to cover it

That should work, and I dare them to come test those three states to see just how that is met....

SimplyChad
February 23, 2013, 04:33 AM
Quote:
I found that hard to believe but he swore that if you stayed on the highway you entered mexico.

I wouldn't call them highways, but there are roads of a sort that will take you close enough to the border so that you can drive cross-country into Mexico.

On the Mexican side there roads that run along the border - and go nowhere...

Last time I checked driving into Mexico from El paso/ Las cruces the easiest way was hwy 54. One check point that really didnt do much. Now on the NM side of the Rio I may or may not ended up in Mexico by just follow dirt rodes on a saturday night out with the guys.

somerandomguy
February 23, 2013, 04:39 AM
Rather than legalise guns over there, they would rather have weapon smuggling from over here.

somerandomguy
February 23, 2013, 04:42 AM
Votes?...in the Mexican legislature? :scrutiny:

"Barry" CAN'T give it to them.
Only an Obama supporter would believe that... ;)

goon
February 23, 2013, 04:55 AM
No, only a guy who understands the legislative process would believe that.

Davek1977
February 23, 2013, 05:57 AM
Shame on Mexico and I won't ever visit there now. Given the rampant violence affecting even the touristy areas these days, Mexico has been on my list of places to avoid for quite some time now. I actually prefer Jamaica, which itself is no stranger to violence, but its almost exclusively limited to Jamaican on Jamaican crime fueled by drugs, political interests, or in some cases, combinations of both.

GoWolfpack
February 23, 2013, 09:09 AM
And people in hell want ice water.


I wish I could say they were equally likely, but I can't.

76shuvlinoff
February 23, 2013, 09:19 AM
Quote:
Shame on Mexico and I won't ever visit there now.
Given the rampant violence affecting even the touristy areas these days, Mexico has been on my list of places to avoid for quite some time now. I actually prefer Jamaica, which itself is no stranger to violence, but its almost exclusively limited to Jamaican on Jamaican crime fueled by drugs, political interests, or in some cases, combinations of both.

I never saw the attraction of supporting a corrupt 3rd world government anyhow.

19-3Ben
February 23, 2013, 09:22 AM
And those history buffs among us know that there is only one proper response to such a preposterous request.

"Nuts"

El Mariachi
February 23, 2013, 09:54 AM
This, from the country who knows where all of their Drug Cartel Boyz live....but won't do a thing to go in and arrest them?

Brilliant.....

TwoEyedJack
February 23, 2013, 12:16 PM
I do feel sorry for the Mexicans, seeing as how at least 300 of their citizens have been killed so far with guns sent to the drug cartels by Eric Holder. The callous disregard for human life shown by the Obama regime is breathtaking. F&F was nothing more or less than a false-flag operation to influence US firearms policy. Dead Mexicans was not a by-product, it was the whole point. Too bad for the regime that one of the guns was used to kill a US agent and the whistle-blowers tattled on them.

panhead58ak
February 23, 2013, 12:38 PM
How about Mexico sending us a list of the missing Mexicans so we will be able to track down illegal alliens?

Ehtereon11B
February 23, 2013, 01:16 PM
Have Mexico send over a list of every illegal making a trip north. Then their demand will be considered.

c1ogden
February 23, 2013, 09:19 PM
uh, that's an easy task for us at least. For a list of gun owners in texas, just grab a phone book. Done.



outstanding!!!

nwilliams
February 23, 2013, 09:47 PM
Mexico can go choke on a....well you know.

Mexico needs to deal with it's own issues instead of always blaming the US for all it's problems. Corrupt cops and politicians in the pockets of drug cartels would be a good start Mexico.

shiftyer1
February 24, 2013, 01:34 AM
I can't speak for the other border states but it ain't hard to find a gun owning household in Texas, especially once you get away from the city!

bogon48
February 24, 2013, 02:24 AM
Probably part of the telenovela political drama to create support for the new Mexican president. Not gonna happen. Let 'em count the incoming bullets.

I'd like to see better management of illegal aliens, and a better work registry system with punishment for people who employ illegals. Pisses me off that some U.S. employers create a market for cheap and illegal labor that the rest of us pay taxes to try to stop. Same thing with America's thirst for drugs. Gotta disrupt the demand somehow.

Anyway, Mexico is hypocritical. They ask us for an open arms immigration policy, but their county doesn't do it. I was on a bus tour in Mexico several years ago in the Costa Maya region. We were on our way to a Mayan ruins along a road that was mostly dirt and sand. Dozers were still clearing brush. At two intersections, I saw roadblocks and soldiers with M-16s searching vehicles. While they weren't interested in our bus, I got nervous figuring we'd bumbled into a drug war or rebel area. No. The Mexican guides said that the soldiers were looking for illegal aliens headed in from the Caribbean and points south. Maybe those illegals were on their way north to the U.S., but they weren't welcome in Mexico.

Queen_of_Thunder
February 24, 2013, 02:52 PM
So send them phone books.

4v50 Gary
February 24, 2013, 02:57 PM
A narco-state wants what again?

buckhorn_cortez
February 24, 2013, 03:52 PM
I had a friend, and ex employee who lives near the Border, Los Cruces, in New Mexico.

It's 47 miles from Las Cruces to El Paso, Texas; and about 55 miles to the nearest border crossing that is in El Paso.


I haven't spoken to him in 3 years, after he flew up to talk about opening a computer business, and wanted to buy some pot and smoke it with his 16 yr old Daughter who he brought along with him, I told him we don't allow that kind of behavior, and that he should leave, he turned into a freak of some kind, but he lived in new mexico,for the past 25 yrs, and told us that you could drive right into mexico without being stopped, right from the highway, he was doing computer repairs in border towns, and other dirty places on both sides of the border, and charging rediculous prices. I kind of was suspect who his clients were, and he would not make it home one night. But he insisted that you can drive right in from a main highway without going thru a checkpoint.

While you can "just drive into Mexico," it involves a stop on the Mexican side of the border to check with the Mexican port of entry as they want to know why you're crossing into Mexico and how long you'll be staying. They will sometimes also want to know if you have Mexican insurance if you bring your own vehicle into Mexico.

The border between New Mexico and Mexico is to the west of El Paso, Texas. If you drive west on New Mexico Hwy 9, you are driving parallel to the border. You're in the middle of the desert, there are no houses, towns, or other settlements on the Mexican side of the border - and nothing on the New Mexican side but miles and miles of open desert.

When you get to NM Hwy. 11, south of Deming you can cross into Mexico south of Columbus, NM at Puerto Palomas, Mexico. There are border crossing stations on both sides of the border.

If you continue west, on NM Hwy 9, you are in the desert - there is no one around (except Mexicans sneaking into the US) until you get to the NM Bootheel area. You will cross NM Hwy. 81 that goes south and stops at the Mexican border. There is nothing south of the US at that point in the way of homes a town, etc. - the road stops.

If you continue west on Hwy 9, you go through the Peloncillo Mountains - and you're in Arizona.

I found that hard to believe but he swore that if you stayed on the highway you entered mexico.

About 25 or 30 years ago, you could sneak into Mexico south of Sunland Park, NM. If you knew where to drive off of Anapra Rd., and IF there were no Border Patrol agents - you could get across the railroad tracks and into Mexico. Today? There's the border fence that they've turned into a no-man's land complete with surveillance and roving patrols.

Sounds to me like your friend was trying desperately to impress you with some kind of wild west tales - none of which bear any resemblance to reality.

JRH6856
February 24, 2013, 04:25 PM
And those history buffs among us know that there is only one proper response to such a preposterous request.

"Nuts"
Those history buffs who know Texas history know that the correct response is the one given to Mexico by the people of Gonzales, Texas in 1835:

Come and Take It.

Old Fuff
February 24, 2013, 04:28 PM
Unfortunately they are, and our national government is doing little to stop it. :banghead:

sansone
February 24, 2013, 04:32 PM
Uh, that's an easy task for us at least. For a list of gun owners in Texas, just grab a phone book. Done.
oh that is excellent right there... thanks

gym
February 24, 2013, 10:04 PM
He's not my friend anymore, so I really can't call him, but he told me that he routinlly drove into Mexico with no border checkpoint. He had no reason to make it up, impressing me takes a lot more than that.
Like I mentioned he was one of the cheapest people on Gods green earth, and if there was a way, I would bet he knew of it. It's only about 5 years ago that we had been in contact, as he was telling me that he did a lot of business in Mexico, "then the part about driving straight in", I asked him several times how this was possible, he insisted he did it all the time.
Now this guy is a snake, he was also working on selling armored SUV's to wealthy Mexicans. I am sure they weren't Taco dealers.
If there was a way he would know it.

ShamboPyro
February 24, 2013, 10:08 PM
Well I want a registry of the semi auto taco trucks in Mexico!

BearGriz
February 24, 2013, 11:49 PM
I don't think anyone has said this (maybe they have), but...

Isn't this a national security issue? Telling another sovereign nation, one that borders us no less, what our "invasion resistance" strength is...uh, no thanks! I know that Mexico isn't really a candidate for our next war (here's hoping there won't be a next one), but you never know.

I seriously don't wear tinfoil hats, but I'm sure we pay people to look at these things in every light. There is probably a document somewhere in the CIA, DOD, DHS, etc. (or all of them have such a document), and this document would show the possibility of us having a war with...I dunno, China?

It is 8 years from now and China is allied with N. Korea and Russia against us (ok, throw in Venezuela just for fun). China also has a secret alliance with the (mostly) failed state of Mexico. They see Mexico as our "weak underbelly," and plan to use this to their advantage.

In this scenario that our government has on its books, Mexico is not only happy to aid our enemies, but Mexico is also pleased to show that they have documentation showing our civilian firearm strength along the border. This information is a couple years old (they stopped getting the list after their state basically failed two years ago), but Mexico is happy to show that these records they do have show that the previous (Obama) administration was able to significantly reduce the border resistance strength through systematic efforts (bans, registrations, progressive confiscations).

Again, I don't really think this would happen (I have a pretty level head), but someone (hopefully multiple someones) in our government is supposed to be thinking like this so we don't make decisions like this that would have national security implications, no?

Texan Scott
February 24, 2013, 11:57 PM
The "invasion resistance strength" of Texas is indeed a very closely guarded secret... so closely guarded, in fact, that we don't share it with the state government.

I hear they've tried it differently in some other states... then again, I've heard some of them have regretted that.

Realize of course that right now Texas is watching ALL its borders.

buckhorn_cortez
February 25, 2013, 07:45 AM
He's not my friend anymore, so I really can't call him, but he told me that he routinlly drove into Mexico with no border checkpoint. He had no reason to make it up, impressing me takes a lot more than that.
Like I mentioned he was one of the cheapest people on Gods green earth, and if there was a way, I would bet he knew of it. It's only about 5 years ago that we had been in contact, as he was telling me that he did a lot of business in Mexico, "then the part about driving straight in", I asked him several times how this was possible, he insisted he did it all the time.
Now this guy is a snake, he was also working on selling armored SUV's to wealthy Mexicans. I am sure they weren't Taco dealers.
If there was a way he would know it.

Then I guess he get's an A+ for breaking into Mexico. A dubious distinction at best, since there are three bridges across the Rio Grande to cross into Juarez and all you have to do is drive across any one of them to enter into Mexico.

Old Fuff
February 25, 2013, 02:54 PM
The problem in crossing in or around El Paso is understandable, but if you drive on west to the eastern Arizona area (not to mention New Mexico) you will find that in most places the river is dry as a bone, and fences won't even stop wildlife. :banghead:

2ifbyC
February 25, 2013, 03:21 PM
This, from the country who knows where all of their Drug Cartel Boyz live....but won't do a thing to go in and arrest them?

That’s because if the pólice went after the DCB, heads would roll; and I mean literally.

Cosmoline
February 25, 2013, 03:26 PM
If such a registry existed, what would they do with it?

Sell it to the cartels so they can go rob the gringos.

Thermactor
February 25, 2013, 03:34 PM
They're for open borders, but blame us for illegal arms trafficking through the very open borders they advocate for.

Sav .250
February 25, 2013, 03:46 PM
Open borders. Well,almost and now this. They have a better chance of getting all their "Huddled masses" to come back .

JRH6856
February 25, 2013, 04:26 PM
It might be well to study up on R2P. What is R2P? It is the "Responsibility to Protect" that is the basis for the UN policies regarding human rights, and the US policies regarding terrorists in other countries. This article by Rosa Brooks (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/sunday-commentary/20130222-rosa-brooks-the-problem-with-the-drone-war-that-no-ones-talking-about.ece) is a good read on the subject.

After reading it, think about how R2P might be used as an excuse to target gun owners that might be perceived as a threat of some kind.

Jim NE
February 25, 2013, 05:14 PM
Very true, panhead58ak!

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