Physical fitness and competitive shooting


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Trent
February 22, 2013, 04:19 PM
So the opening local USPSA round is in 16 days. I'm kind of taking inventory of what I need to be prepared; got my ammo supply sorted out, been practicing handgun as often as possible, etc.

But at the range last weekend I noticed my arms were getting fatigued holding the gun up for extended durations, made me a little shaky (to the point my last group size I shot was over 2.5x larger than my first group size; was practicing 20 shot groups at 15 yards so I could cover the NRA prequal shoot).

After 20 shots in a row, my arms get pretty fatigued. Given the round count of USPSA shoots, I figure I need to get my upper body toned up a little more! (been lazy this winter).

So what exercises (if any) do you competitive shooters do, and do you do any specifically for handgun training? The only thing I thought of that'd train the specific muscles is lengthy dry fire exercises, but is there anything else I can do?

Just wanting to be "the best I can be"... I'm highly competitive by nature. :)

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JShirley
February 22, 2013, 04:24 PM
I would think some of the exercises you could do would be similar to some of the exercises for developing more power in punching: take a low weight dumb-bell and slowly extend out to where you hold your firearm. Hold it out there briefly, and then slowly bring it back in. Gradually build up the weight you're using- I wouldn't think you'd ever need to go over 5 lbs- and the number of reps you're doing. As with other muscle-building exercises, always be certain to stretch afterwards, so you don't lose flexibility as you gain muscle.

John

Trent
February 22, 2013, 05:09 PM
Thanks JShirley.

I just finished a half hour of dry fire exercises (draw / safety off / fire) with a PT92. Good grief, I could hardly lift my arms when I was done.

Practicing for the NRA instructor pre-qual shoot really opened my eyes to it. Doing 20 rounds slow fire is quite a long time to hold a gun out. I've got my 15 yard groups consistently down to 2.5" (when I'm fresh, just under 6" fatigued), so I should be good to go on that.

Now I'm looking for a couple of weeks of practice before the opening USPSA round here. Still working on breaking some bad habits, hope to get it ironed out before then. I tend to shoot like crap under stress, and a lot of that is caused by bad habits I've picked up over a decade in a half that seem to creep back in once my attention is focused on something else.

Target shooting is no problem - but my mind is focused on the gun, not "that's 9 rounds fired do a hot pipe reload while running 10 feet to my right to shoot through that window"....

Mat, not doormat
February 22, 2013, 06:05 PM
My routine's not geared directly toward shooting, more like general quality of life, but it seems to help with shooting.

I jog, sometimes with a few brief sprints (what runners call fartlek training) three days a week. Two days, I do a bodyweight routine, with pushups, planks, crunches, lunges, squats, pullups, and some stretching.

Dryfire helps too.

tuj
February 22, 2013, 06:10 PM
Get a 5lb dumb bell and tape a laser pointer to the top of it. Grip it with only your bottom 3 fingers on your strong hand and surround that grip with your support hand. Then see how long you can hold the weight out and keep the laser pointed at a spot on the wall before it starts shaking.

Repeat until fatigued.

beatledog7
February 22, 2013, 06:16 PM
Anything you do that enhances your general level of physical fitness will make you a better competitive shooter while it also enhances just about every other aspect of your life.

cavman
February 22, 2013, 08:02 PM
In Bullseye and Service Rifle, dry firing is very very beneficial. A 45 is only about 4 pounds and holding out a 5 lb dumb bell is all you really need. General fitness of course is good to have as most matches last the day and occur in all weather conditions.

I would imagine USPSA would be similar

Japle
February 22, 2013, 08:37 PM
Posted by beatledog7:
Anything you do that enhances your general level of physical fitness will make you a better competitive shooter while it also enhances just about every other aspect of your life.
Very true. You donít have to spend hours in the gym, either. Do three sets of pushups , three sets of pullups and some core work three times a week and thatíll be a good start. Do the big, compound exercises. Overall fitness is better than trying to do isolation exercises for specific muscles.

Personally, Iím in the best shape of my life at age 67 and can go through a long practice session or match and not notice any fatigue other than being on my feet for 4-6 hours in the hot sun.

bogon48
February 22, 2013, 09:18 PM
I'm don't shoot competitively. When I did Bullseye and IHMSA shooting in decades past, building upper body strength really helped. I used to get pretty whipped firing large calibers in my TC contender from a standing position. But overall conditioning also helped with rifle shooting, especially in the more taxing positions. While I recall trying to get positional support mostly from bone groups, rather than muscles, fatigue crept in. So the fitter I was, the better I did.

TonyDedo
February 22, 2013, 09:25 PM
Can't speak more highly of CrossFit. It helps build functional fitness that will improve your core strength, flexibility and stamina. Great for everything you'll need for action shooting.

Trent
February 22, 2013, 11:44 PM
(OP here again)

I have to be somewhat selective of what exercises I do. I was in a bad motorcycle crash in 2010.

The superbike launched me so hard in Canada Corner at Road America, the arches in my feet were displaced and my feet are two sizes smaller than they were before the crash.

Flying through the air didn't hurt.

When I landed in the middle of the race track, the ulna was dislocated in my left arm, severing the deep branch of my palmar nerve (no feeling in the outer edge of my left hand). That's also when most of the knee damage happened. ACL/PCL (both) are shot in both knees, and I destroyed the antior talofibular ligament in my left ankle.

Then the bike behind me hit me in the back of the head and upper neck, it was doing 60-70 mph. Hardest I've ever been hit by anything in my entire life. THAT hurt. I had good gear (alpinestars) so it didn't kill me, but rang my bell something fierce. I still have lingering upper back problems, lots of pain between the shoulder blades when I lift / carry heavy objects or stand too long. (I was also getting words mixed up for 6 months and had TBI amnesia, but that's another story altogether)

Before the crash I was active in martial arts, and very fit, but my fitness has been declining steadily since 2010. I still have a fair amount of upper body strength, but no endurance (can't jog or run, walking more than a half mile without a break hurts).

So.. yeah. Kind of messed up bad in the lower body.

I can practice dry fire sitting or standing.

I can also do pull-ups just fine (have a bar in the kitchen doorway), planks (a 3 minute hold is no problem), and anything else that doesn't involve compressing my spine or stressing my knees. (Stretching my spine is fine, actually relieves the pain, which is why I love doing pull ups!)

Mat, not doormat
February 22, 2013, 11:50 PM
Wow, that sucks. That's a heck of a list of limitations, but anything you can do is better than nothing.

Would cycling work for you? With good bike fit, it's a hell of a lot easier on the knees than jogging, and would at least get you some aerobic/endurance work.

Trent
February 22, 2013, 11:59 PM
Possibly, but to be honest, I don't know. I haven't rode a bicycle in probably two decades. We have a lot of hills near where I live. Illinois is mostly flat as far as the eye can see - but I chose to buy a house on an end moraine that the glaciers kindly left behind to break up the monotonous landscape, with a nearby river valley that was made when they retreated.. :)

I've tried jogging, it don't work. I *can* jog, but only for about a quarter mile. Then my ankle or knees or both start screaming at me, I can't go up and down stairs the next day (which sucks as I live in a 5 level house), and I generally make everyone around me uncomfortable because I'm grouchy.

Last summer I'd got to the point I could walk for a mile, take my doggies around the lake to the boat dock, but man, I was pushing myself hard to do that. I'm hoping to get myself up to two miles this summer.

9mmepiphany
February 23, 2013, 12:40 AM
Try Kettlebells. It builds core and endurance

Trent
February 23, 2013, 02:11 AM
I have teenagers and enjoy my drywall intact, might skip the kettlebells. :)

Mat, not doormat
February 23, 2013, 02:35 AM
Even with the hills, you still might want to give cycling a look. It's essentially a no impact sport. With modern gearing, guys with sound knees can and do ride up mountain grades fully loaded with touring gear. On a bare bike, with those sorts of gears, even suspect knees should be able to climb hills.

It's a thought, anyhow. If you're interested, feel free to PM me, if you want any tech pointers, or the like, as I "speak bike."

Tophernj
February 23, 2013, 07:48 AM
If you start to consider cycling, look into a roadbike with a triple chainring. It essentially lowers your gearing to make getting up hills a bit easier. They are a boon to those that are challenged in ways similar to you. Best of luck.

C

chrome_austex
February 23, 2013, 09:09 PM
I find core strength (situps) is necessary for good shooting posture, arms extended etc.

Also leg strength for low leaning and shoulder strength to hold up gun.

General cardio helps for heartrate.

bogon48
February 24, 2013, 12:22 AM
Sorry to hear about the wreck, Trent. That kind of stuff takes a lot out of you. Glad you made it. I had a friend who didn't. Haven't been able to ride my motorcycle comfortably for three years. Ain't sellin' yet.

Due to various long and short-term injuries, I've had to modify my workouts quite a bit from a few years ago. For me, almost any activity is better than nothing, even chair yoga or stretching. Movement helps me with short and long term pain, after I get past the initial unpleasantness. Endorphins, maybe. The more I do, the more I can do, even apart from shooting. I'm getting old, though; the capability ceiling is dropping. We all know how this ends. Enjoy it any way you want.

Trent
February 24, 2013, 02:15 AM
bogon;

I lost two friends I used to ride/race with last year on the track. Another two that I know were also seriously injured (life altering type, both bad head traumas). All died or were injured on the track. It's just something you grow accustomed to. Sounds cold, but it's the way it is. A good portion of my friends on Facebook have been 'improved' with titanium bits at this point. Good people, tight knit group. Even being out of the scene for two and a half years, I still talk and keep in touch with a lot of them. (If it wasn't for the bikers/racers I wouldn't even bother with Facebook!) There's something about sitting around a campfire in the paddock not knowing if the people you're drinking with are going to live another day that makes people grow real close. Damn dangerous sport.

I probably could go back to doing it, my leg healed to the point it could bear the weight long enough for superbike sprints. But I look at my 5 kids and realize I've got a larger responsibility that puts my desires behind their needs.

That holds true for 2A as well. My desires to live a comfortable, peaceful, ignorantly blissful life take second seat to preserving and protecting their heritage and freedom.

Anyway don't want to drift too much.

I got a heck of a work out today rearranging the gun room. Loads of upper body workout. Today was the 6th consecutive day I spent organizing and rearranging the gun room. I finally ran out of things to sort, clean, or organize. Well, excepting some cosomoline cleaning of some parts that I ordered this winter that are covered in goop, but my garage is unpleasant right now, not heated, so those can wait...

Making room for a new safe, I had to move 11,000 50 cal bullets (675 per can), 8,000 30 cal pulls, god knows how many 45 and 223 bullets, and 6,000 50 cal brass, all in 50 cal ammo cans. Most of them weigh upwards of 70 lbs. Arms are very tired and sore right now. I literally moved 10 tons of metal today. (I guess I still have good upper body strength, just not apparently NOT in the muscles that hold a gun up!) :)

btg3
February 24, 2013, 09:09 AM
practicing 20 shot groups at 15 yards so I could cover the NRA prequal shoot)...After 20 shots in a row, my arms get pretty fatigued.

The NRA format is: "Targets will be broken into two ten-shot targets or four five-shot targets."
Is this the same continuous 20-rd slow fire as you practiced? Is there a time requirement such that you must keep your arms up?

Also, shooters that IDPA or USPSA classified (essentially above novice) are exempt from the NRA shooting requirement.

(been lazy this winter)... wanting to be "the best I can be".
Having experienced a few bike crashes decades ago, the discomfort makes some days better than others. I find that the more I do, the more that I am able to do -- with the opposite being just as true. I seem to enjoy the most benefit from core conditioning and yoga (the flexibility gains were amazing).

In any case, 16-day window is not much to work with, but it could be a great start on some longer-term goals.

Trent
February 24, 2013, 10:09 AM
The NRA format is: "Targets will be broken into two ten-shot targets or four five-shot targets."
Is this the same continuous 20-rd slow fire as you practiced? Is there a time requirement such that you must keep your arms up?

Also, shooters that IDPA or USPSA classified (essentially above novice) are exempt from the NRA shooting requirement.


To be honest, I don't know what format the instructor is going to run. I've been shooting the worst case scenario; shoot 10, reload immediately, shoot 10 more. I still have to carefully focus myself to get tight groups when using non-target shooting guns (e.g. Glock, Taurus PT92, etc), so it takes me a while.

I saw the NRA prequal doesn't mention caliber? Maybe I can get away with bringing my Ruger Mk 3 custom cheater pistol. I can shoot a 1" group with that offhand at 15 yards all stinking day long. Even tighter, if I leave the scope on it. :)


Having experienced a few bike crashes decades ago, the discomfort makes some days better than others. I find that the more I do, the more that I am able to do -- with the opposite being just as true. I seem to enjoy the most benefit from core conditioning and yoga (the flexibility gains were amazing).

In any case, 16-day window is not much to work with, but it could be a great start on some longer-term goals.

Oh yeah you bring up a good point. When I do NOT get enough exercise my knees complain fiercely. Stretching helps but the only thing that really puts them back in order, is using them.

The ankle is the real problem; since that tendon was torn and didn't heal, I have hard parts rubbing together. So any repetitive impact (jogging) or extended use (long walks) really gets to me.

You should hear it when I get up in the morning. Sounds like a high-noon showdown gone wrong with all the popping and cracking coming from below the waist as I get up and moving. If I sit too long at my desk, and get up at work, sometimes one or both of my knees will pop loud enough people in the next office over can hear it.

sanman513
February 24, 2013, 10:15 AM
Dude, if you can hold a plank for 3 minutes, you're already strong enough....that is if the plank your talking about is the same that I'm thinking:eek:

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sanman513
February 24, 2013, 10:18 AM
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Trent
February 24, 2013, 10:20 AM
Well, I don't know. I put my hand together, elbows straight below my shoulders to support me, toes and elbows the only things contacting the ground, back straight as a board, and hold.

The issue I've found planks, pullups, pushups (the trio I usually do) doesn't really get the muscles that hold up the gun.

I'm going to add weights to the mix. Or use my net 44 mag for dry fire practice. That might do the trick. The thing weighs a metric ton now that I have the scope on it...

EDIT: No not that kind of plank. :)

This kind of plank;

http://thechalkboardmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/forearm_plank-718x520c.jpg

EDIT2: More appealing image, first had a (C) notice.

sanman513
February 24, 2013, 10:50 AM
LOL!!! :):beer:

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jmorris
February 24, 2013, 01:17 PM
You don't have to be ripped to win in "action" pistol sports. I have been known to ride a 4wheeler to the mail box and I have finished 1st in master class at IDPA nationals.

If you have the upper body strength of a mom with a 1 year old, your ok.

GhostlyGumby
February 25, 2013, 10:51 PM
Focus on your shoulders. Weighted front arm raises, military press, and judo push-ups will all help.

MrBorland
February 26, 2013, 09:38 AM
You don't have to be ripped to win in "action" pistol sports. I have been known to ride a 4wheeler to the mail box and I have finished 1st in master class at IDPA nationals.

If you have the upper body strength of a mom with a 1 year old, your ok.

I just took 1st Master at IDPA Nats for the 3rd time in a year, and I'm no gym rat or triathlete, either. That said, if you look at the USPSA & IDPA top guns - those who actually win nationals - you'll likely notice they often look like athletes. Their shooting skills are superb, of course, but their every movement is controlled, yet explosive.

Moving from point A to point B fast, for example, requires efficiency of motion and lots of explosive power. Their "fitness" lies in their ability to do this type of movement repeatedly, without getting fatigued. To make the jump from 1st MA, my "fitness" regime will include lots of stretching, core work, and movement drills.

One other point: "Fitness" isn't just an issue of improving your existing skill - a lack of fitness can prevent you from performing to your existing ability. Body weight is the best example I can think of. One can do very well in IDPA/USPSA while overweight, but it can be a real handicap when the CoF calls for getting in & out of tight places. Seems particularly so in IDPA, where the CoF may call for the shooter to get in & out of a car, or up from a chair, or even from laying down.

9mmepiphany
February 26, 2013, 11:47 AM
Seems particularly so in IDPA, where the CoF may call for the shooter to get in & out of a car, or up from a chair, or even from laying down.
Ah, the memories and images ;)

Not just getting out of a car, but there is no graceful way to get from one side of a passenger compartment (SUV cab) to the other, while maintaining muzzle discipline.

I've yet to find a top tier shooter who enjoys demonstrating going prone (the fast way). I have heard, more than once, "Watch closely, I don't want to have to repeat this" :D

Al Thompson
February 26, 2013, 12:05 PM
Something I do that helps is to take a weight plate (10 lbs would do to start), hold it in both hands (like eating a burger) and move it from close to your chest to full extension, hold and back to your chest.

You can also twist it like a steering wheel, press it over head, grip it with your finger tips, row with it. It's pretty specific to the muscles I shoot with.

:)

Trent
February 26, 2013, 12:24 PM
"going prone the fast way" ... is that similar to what happens when you're foot swept by your opponent in martial arts? I have that down to a science, unfortunately. One of my instructors is from Japan, trained with the JKA for 30 years. On the dan ranked students he don't take it easy, whatsoever. If you so much as THINK about straightening up your front knee at all, you find yourself looking at the lights in the ceiling. (Sometimes he'll even get your rear leg on the sweep and you go down even harder.. those really hurt.)

Sigh. I miss Karate. 24 years of my life in a dojo .. and all over in one frigging motorcycle crash. :(

I've got plates, Al, I'll give that a shot. Mainly what I need to do is build up endurance and cardio. I've been pretty lazy since 2010 and get fatigued fast. My muscles forgot how to process O2. Still strong, but only or brief periods of time.

Al Thompson
February 26, 2013, 01:33 PM
Nice thing about weights is that you can start low and go up.

One of my issues is that my body doesn't retain potassium very well. I can't do high rep workouts like push-ups, but I can do low reps with weights.

Getting old ain't for sissys. :D

jmorris
February 26, 2013, 02:30 PM
...those who actually win nationals - you'll likely notice they often look like athletes.

Thinking folks like Taran Butler and Jerry Miculek, very hard to beat and don't look like they would want to run the Boston marathon.

Trent
February 26, 2013, 03:48 PM
Wow, you know I didn't realize there were people on this board that compete at that level. I've watched videos of a lot of shooters at the national events, and it's mind bending how quick and smooth they are.

I'm fine at target shooting but put a buzzer in my ear with a clock and I seem to fall apart. Part of the reason I stopped shooting IPSC my first season of shooting IPSC was my ego. I didn't like where I saw my name on the standings each time I got them.

I've gotten older and my ego isn't as easily bruised as it was in my 20's. In fact, I don't care if I'm dead last. I'm bored of shooting stationary paper targets and want a change of pace. No matter where my standings are at, I'll get to shoot interesting things. :)

But I still "want to be the best I can be" at it, because the person I compete with nowadays is myself.

Thanks for all the tips guys!

Cosmoline
February 26, 2013, 03:55 PM
I blew out my left knee a few years ago and cycling has been a really great way to get exercise. I bike all over including to the range and back. I'd say the most important things for knee pain on a bike are a good saddle like a B-17 Brooks and the proper saddle to pedal height adjustment. If you get front knee pain after riding that's probably too low of a saddle.

There are a huge variety of bike styles to choose from compared with 20 years ago. Too many, really. But a good all-around mountain bike should suit you. Given your issues I would suggest old fashioned platform pedals because your "new architecture" post accident may not be compatible with the way they expect you to position yourself. And it will probably help to be able to sit up, lean forward or otherwise shift your position to deal with cramps and spasms.

I'm also finding hatha yoga a great help in balance and precise control. And for pain acupuncture is really working believe it or not. It's eliminated a plantar pain I'd been having for years.

btg3
February 26, 2013, 03:56 PM
24 years of my life in a dojo .. and all over in one frigging motorcycle crash
Roads seem to get crazier and crazier. I quit riding and sold my bike a few months ago. Miss riding it to IDPA but am enjoying the proceeds to indulge in shooting.

Trent
February 26, 2013, 04:00 PM
If you get front knee pain after riding that's probably too low of a saddle.


I get front knee pain from walking more than a quarter mile, or sitting in one spot for too long. I have to constantly balance idleness with motion to avoid pain; and often I'm unsuccessful.

Trent
February 26, 2013, 04:02 PM
Is biking with stretched ACL/PCL an issue? They're not damaged other than they've each been strained / sprained or slightly torn multiple times, and my knees are very "loose".

(Kind of starting to wonder if cycling might help tighten them back up)

Cosmoline
February 26, 2013, 04:05 PM
There's bound to be some pain for sure. But I would say bike riding is about ten times less of a knee/hip impact for me than hiking. So I can bike 100 K with about the same level of knee pain I get after a 10 k walk. Maybe less these days.

An old orthopod once told me that the exercise helps muscles re-tighten and substitute for bad ligaments so it might be just the thing. Worth a shot anyway. Maybe get a cheap stiff framed mountain bike and ride around with it awhile.

The hatha yoga I'm doing is also really good at retraining joints to both be more flexible and to not hyperextend. You need a good instructor though who can do more than just run you through the paces of the usual forms. The one I'm going to now has stretches that target very specific joints. I've gone from needing a cane some mornings to being able to flip a leg up and stand in line on one leg, mowing people over with the other size 13.

Of course the risk of re-injury. I put a tool mirror on my helmet so I can see cars coming up behind me. Sometimes the slowest falls are the worst. I ran into a hidden iron curb after snow last month and of course when I fell the curb smacked right into my old injured left knee. That's life.

MrBorland
February 27, 2013, 10:03 AM
Quote:
...those who actually win nationals - you'll likely notice they often (but not always) look like athletes.

Thinking folks like Taran Butler and Jerry Miculek, very hard to beat and don't look like they would want to run the Boston marathon.

Fixed it. ;) Besides, Jerry may not present himself as "athletic", but in person, it's easy to see he's really quite trim and can really move. And he's got a vice-like grip that could easily turn most hands to pulp.


Is biking with stretched ACL/PCL an issue? They're not damaged other than they've each been strained / sprained or slightly torn multiple times, and my knees are very "loose".

I agree with Cosmo - biking's generally good for the knees, though if you have a specific injury, it'd be best to confirm that with a doctor, IMO.

A few caveats, though:

Be sure your saddle is adjusted properly - both height and fore/aft. As Cosmo suggested, improper saddle adjustment can strain knees. If you're unsure what's proper, your local bike shop ought to be able to help.

Secondly, don't push big gears!! It's a very common mistake made by thinking it offers a better leg workout. It doesn't. Keep a nice "spin" of 80-90 rpm. If you find your cadence much below this while maintaining speed, you're pounding too big a gear. Not only is it inefficient, it puts strain on the knees.

ny32182
February 27, 2013, 10:30 AM
Anything you do that enhances your general level of physical fitness will make you a better competitive shooter while it also enhances just about every other aspect of your life.

This is my general thought.

Action pistol shooting is like golf. It is golf with different equipment. It is a skill (or a set of many skills) that you don't have to be in great shape to be very good at, but all else equal, being in shape helps. John Daly can win major championships, but Tiger wins more.

As far as I'm concerned, if you are going to exersize with the goal of better action pistol shooting, the two things to focus on are lower body strength (leg strength... squats, etc) and grip strength. Hand and forearm strength is invaluable for rapid and consistent pistol manipulation and recoil control. I do a session each week with with heavy weight grippers (not the cheapos at Walmart) and within a month or two of starting that I could handle a pistol more consistently than I ever could before. Your wrists and forearms are where recoil is controlled as well, and the stronger yours are, the faster you can potentially shoot.

Trent
February 27, 2013, 11:35 AM
Great point ny; my GRIP strength is very poor, overall. I do a lot of typing, guitar playing, etc, so I have great fine motor skills, but not a lot of working with my hands. Due to guitar playing my left (weak) hand is about 2x stronger, grip wise, than my right (which really NEEDS it for shooting, at least, the middle and ring finger!).

My wrists, especially, are very weak.

Shoulders/upper body I'm strong. Not bodybuilder ripped, but I can do a ton of pullups & pushups, four times as much as my healthy 15 year old high school track star boy who weighs half of me. :)

I'll get the barbells out and work on my wrists, and find something to squeeze to strengthen my grip (I *had* a rubber ball for this a long time ago... but my dogs tore it up). Ironing out those weaker spots will get me more "whole" overall.

Thanks for the tips!

Trent
February 27, 2013, 11:43 AM
Wrist strength is one of the reasons I'm planning to shoot Minor, by the way. I *used* to be fast with my 45 but I found out practicing this winter that my split times were way the hell up.

My minor auto split times are consistently .17 when I practice (maintaining 10 yard A ring accuracy), major fluctuates between .26-.32.

Given the big differences, I'll take the penalty.

If I could get my wrists stronger and get the major times back down, that'd be great. :)

JShirley
February 27, 2013, 12:23 PM
Everyone's different. Bike riding is hard on my knees. Same with my girl, oddly enough- neither of our knees tolerate cycling well.

cor_man257
February 27, 2013, 10:07 PM
My advice on exercise? Talk to your doctor about exercises that could help. He will know best, and might be able to refer you to someone who does this kind of stuff for a living. It could be beneficial outside of shooting as well.

My other advice? Bring your pistol back in. The meanest, nastiest, saltiest, most hard charging, son of a b...., Master Sergeant once told me that nobody wants to hold a pistol out there all day when qualifying. He shoots expert with the M9, and so do I. Take a couple shots, then bring the pistol back in to your chest for a moment (I specifically return to the same spot on the right of my right peck). Bend your knees slightly and shake it off, then punch back out and engage when your target comes up.

Maybe you can't bob on your knees to relax... But you can definitely bring that pistol back in for a second. Sure, it might seem like a sissy move at first to bring it back in... but the damn thing will get heavy. Period. Being in shape will help... but it will still get heavy eventually. You should also know that no matter what, your arms natural wobble will move in a figure eight. The more tired your muscles, the looser the figure eight.

Punch out, shoot, recover, repeat.

jmorris
February 27, 2013, 11:07 PM
Fixed it. Besides, Jerry may not present himself as "athletic", but in person, it's easy to see he's really quite trim and can really move. And he's got a vice-like grip that could easily turn most hands to pulp.

He does that. Also the most humble and polite pro shooter that exists.

jmorris
February 27, 2013, 11:21 PM
Taran, standing still but he is still good moving.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=taran%20butler%20shooting&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDwQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmXX39ChdHvE&ei=YdouUauLCcfyqQGBh4CgCw&usg=AFQjCNGiTlDKgdJCOXgyPbAZE0cHtsJV3A

Trent
February 27, 2013, 11:54 PM
Taran is awesome to watch. I've studied some of his videos looking for tips.

This one is a first person cam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUZ0ZgAj2QA

dsink
February 28, 2013, 08:23 AM
Im in the gym 5 days a week lifting and I shoot USPSA.

One thing I accidently found was kettle bells. They come in all different weights but the side of the handle on them is just like a handgun.
I hold onto the side of the handle like I do a handgun and bring it up slowly, hold and sight across the handle then let it back down slowly.
4 sets of 8 with each hand. I use the 20lb kettle bell but you could start off with a 5lb and work your way up. This will improve your core muscles, sholders and grip strength.

The next time your in Wally World, go back to the excersice stuff and check them out.

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