Why would anybody buy new these days


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HOME DEPOT GEORGE
February 22, 2013, 06:26 PM
I was just at the LGS looking around for a way to spend my bonus and tax return,as I was checking out revolvers and a brand new stainless GP100 was in the case for 649. I don't get why anyone would drop that kind of cash when used ones are 350 to 450 used and most revolvers Ruger,S&W,Colt are pretty much indestructible unless abused. When I got home I went through my receipts I keep in my safe with my guns and out of 16 only 3 were bought new. The only reasons I can imagine someone would dump that kind of cash is they are either uninformed new buyers or the one they want can't be found used.

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HOME DEPOT GEORGE
February 22, 2013, 06:32 PM
Mods can you please fix the second poll question as it should read I always buy USED unless there's no other option.

blackrussian
February 22, 2013, 06:33 PM
unless there's no other option.
That's still a double negative.

CoRoMo
February 22, 2013, 06:34 PM
If they fix the second option, I'd want my vote removed as neither would then apply to me. If I tried to find a used SR1911, I think I'd have to wait longer than the year and a half it took to find the new one!

cfullgraf
February 22, 2013, 06:37 PM
Things are "used" for a reason. Maybe not a bad reason, but a reason just the same.

OrangePwrx9
February 22, 2013, 06:41 PM
+1^

I know I trade off the losers and keep the winners. I assume others do the same.

beatledog7
February 22, 2013, 06:57 PM
Sometimes used simply means unaffordable or no longer required under the previous owner's recent circumstances.

I've bought used many times and have never gotten a bad gun.

silicosys4
February 22, 2013, 06:58 PM
+1^

I know I trade off the losers and keep the winners. I assume others do the same.

Thats why I never hand the guy money and walk away with my gun before I.....look at it. Test it for functionality.
Shucks, even on online auctions, you don't have to accept the transfer if you don't like the condition of the gun.

I have bought 25+ used guns in the last two years. I have bought 1 new gun in that time. I have bought 20+ guns off the internet in that time, and I have refused transfer of 1 because It was not as described.
I have been pleasantly surprised at the guns condition being better than described a number of times.

The only time I have gotten guns that I wasn't happy with and found out after the fact were duds, were at gunshows. The only time I've ever gotten rid of unwanted firearms was at a gunshow, usually as trade for something I wanted.

I honestly see very few affordable new guns these days that I want. Everything that I would want is very expensive because its crafted and not cnc'd, everything I can afford is soulless plastic or just plain cheaply made.

I buy to collect much of the time, and as such don't see many new collectibles.

JayBird
February 22, 2013, 07:00 PM
+1^

I know I trade off the losers and keep the winners. I assume others do the same.

I guess I have been lucky. As I think I have only bought 2 guns that were brand new.

Heck, I own quite a few firearms that are older than me, so....it would be impossible for me to have acquired them new.

As far as firearms that I could buy either new or used...it depends on the difference in cost, and if I can find one in the condition I want it to be in whether I buy it used or new.

splithoof
February 22, 2013, 07:05 PM
Main reasons why I prefer to buy new when not looking for a collector example: I know the history and that I am the only end user, and it helps to drive the firearms economy.

Frankl03
February 22, 2013, 07:14 PM
I buy used when I can. Used are normally a much better deal. I have bought lots of guns used and have had maybe one I wasn't completely happy with.

Kramer Krazy
February 22, 2013, 07:16 PM
I am always looking for a good deal and usually new or used doesn't matter to me, as long as it is a good deal. I have only sold two guns my whole life, so I don't worry about potential resale value. The majority of my guns are worth more than I paid for them, even the ones I bought new.

I still have my first Colt 1911 that I bought new in 1989. It's worth about 40% more now than I paid for it new. Similarly, when I bought my new Colt Lightweight Commander about six years ago, I couldn't find a used one, and when the dealer offered to let me order one for $30 over cost if I paid for it all up-front, it was a no-brainer. I got it cheaper than the last used one I saw.

beatledog7
February 22, 2013, 07:23 PM
And then there are those that simply aren't made anymore...

USAF_Vet
February 22, 2013, 07:30 PM
I buy used on impulse, checking over the racks of used guns at the LGS or pawn shop and find a good deal on something I could use.

I buy new when I have a plan in mind, do some research, and set out to purchase a particular make and model.

Bobson
February 22, 2013, 07:36 PM
I wouldn't buy a used gun unless I couldn't find it new. Nothing against used guns, I just prefer new over used, with just about anything. I like to know that if it breaks, it was something I did. I think of it as buying peace-of-mind, as relevant to the product, at least.

If that means I buy 1/3 as many guns, so be it.

riverdog
February 22, 2013, 07:42 PM
I buy guns new and I've bought guns used; it all depends on the gun. I've never had an issue with my used guns and got a good deal on them -- handguns, rifles and pistols. My S&W Mod 19 is a police turn-in with a lot of holster wear and a great action; it was fired very little. IIRC I paid a little over $200.

For those who only buy new, I traded in a perfectly good Glock G-30 because that model doesn't work for me. The G-21 is great, but the G-30 wasn't, so I sold it on consignment. Good gun and gently used, just didn't fit me. Someone should have gotten a great deal.

jp9mm
February 22, 2013, 07:47 PM
350$ ? i'm more likely to be struck by lightning

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=328549256
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=329084119

ill just buy new when used prices are within $100 of the new price
(ex:$600 gun)

buck460XVR
February 22, 2013, 08:18 PM
When a new gun only costs $50 more and comes with a lifetime warranty as opposed to no warranty, why would anyone buy used? I have bought guns both new and used. New guns I always knew could go back to the store or the manufacturer if there was a problem. The used guns not so much. I've bought many used guns that I got for a good price. I have bought new guns for relatively small amounts more than used ones. I have found new guns cheaper in another store than what some stores had them for used. Some of my new guns were guns that were not available for very long before I got one, thus there was no used available. If someone is relatively new to firearms and does not know how to check out a firearm and know whether or not they are paying a fair price, are better off buying new.....especially in today's market, where demand means anything is sell-able and the unscrupulous abound.

While you may have no reasons to buy new, there are many reasons others do. Funny, you never hear of folks saying they prefer a second hand spouse, just cause they're cheaper and already broken in. :scrutiny:

dragon813gt
February 22, 2013, 08:24 PM
My collection is split at about 50/50. Some of the new ones are because I couldn't find used ones in the right shape at the right price. Or I just plain couldn't find one. I don't hesitate to buy new as long as the price is right.

Most of my used purchases were because the price was to good to pass up for a firearm I didn't need. I still check the used racks but I've been seeing them come through in worse condition it seems. I also tend to look for chamberings in odd calibers so I'm stuck buying used in these cases.

I don't hesitate to buy either way. No reason to limit yourself as long as you have the money to pay for it.


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MachIVshooter
February 22, 2013, 08:29 PM
Depends on what I'm after and how good the deal is (new or used). If we're talking a used Glock for $500 and a new one for $550, that's pretty much a no brainer. But if the used one is $400 in near-new condition, that's also a no brainer.

Much of what I buy hasn't been produced in years. My latest acquisition is a 10 gauge hammer double, an L.C. Smith that was made in 1884. 10 ga hammer doubles haven't been made since the very beginning of the 19th century, so unless I wanted to spend thousands on a custom build, there is nothing resembling a "new" option.

Probably 2/3 of what I currently own was used. Lots of mil surps, lots of older S&W guns (pre-lock revolvers, 3rd gen autos).

USAF_Vet
February 22, 2013, 08:32 PM
When a new gun only costs $50 more and comes with a lifetime warranty as opposed to no warranty, why would anyone buy used? I have bought guns both new and used. New guns I always knew could go back to the store or the manufacturer if there was a problem. The used guns not so much. I've bought many used guns that I got for a good price. I have bought new guns for relatively small amounts more than used ones. I have found new guns cheaper in another store than what some stores had them for used. Some of my new guns were guns that were not available for very long before I got one, thus there was no used available. If someone is relatively new to firearms and does not know how to check out a firearm and know whether or not they are paying a fair price, are better off buying new.....especially in today's market, where demand means anything is sell-able and the unscrupulous abound.

While you may have no reasons to buy new, there are many reasons others do. Funny, you never hear of folks saying they prefer a second hand spouse, just cause they're cheaper and already broken in. :scrutiny:
Some guns have a lifetime warranty regardless of ownership.

While buying a used Glock gen 4 doesnt make much sense, buying a used Colt Python or a used S&W 5906 makes a lot of sense. Neither the Colt or the Smith are made anymore, one is a valuable collectors piece and the other is becoming so.

I'd buy a used S&W 5906 over a new M&P9 any day.

Deer_Freak
February 22, 2013, 08:39 PM
I was just at the LGS looking around for a way to spend my bonus and tax return,as I was checking out revolvers and a brand new stainless GP100 was in the case for 649. I don't get why anyone would drop that kind of cash when used ones are 350 to 450 used and most revolvers Ruger,S&W,Colt are pretty much indestructible unless abused. When I got home I went through my receipts I keep in my safe with my guns and out of 16 only 3 were bought new. The only reasons I can imagine someone would dump that kind of cash is they are either uninformed new buyers or the one they want can't be found used.
If you can find a used stainless GP-100 for $350 you better jump on it. To start off with good luck finding a used stainless GP-100. I have a hard time finding blued SA Rugers at the prices you are quoting much less double action stainless guns. Maybe you should fast forward your prices to 2013. I just turned down $600 for my 3 screw 44 mag that is blued. You can find that gun in stainless for $350, good luck.

jim243
February 22, 2013, 08:46 PM
Well I guess I am the exception to the rule. I always buy new, with the exception of my SKS. Why you ask? I find the newer designs more reliable, more user friendly and just better made than those of the past. Yes, there are some fine old rifles made, but fewer of them there is of us that buy them. Few and far between. A lot of so so older rifles, but I am not looking for a so so rifle that I will dump a ton of money into to customize it.

So I go with new.
Jim

megaton
February 22, 2013, 08:46 PM
I generally try to buy used. The way I see it, assuming I get a decent deal on a used gun I can try out something new and if I don't like it get 100% of my money back. A mistake on a new gun purchase will cost you about 20% of what you paid new, sometimes more.

It also depends on the value of the gun in question. A .22lr that is $200 new or $150 used, I would purchase new. Now an ar-10 that is $1500 new or $1000 used, I will take my chances used all day long.

Armchair Warrior
February 22, 2013, 09:01 PM
I have been to 11 gun stores (some better than others) in the Northern Va area in the last 2 weeks and there is virtually NOTHING available. Just junky no name stuff. I would love to buy used.

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
February 22, 2013, 09:06 PM
Deer Freak-I should have clarified that I bought my GP100 about 6 years ago for 425 thats why I put the price range of 350 to 450. The catch is in my area there are 5 or 6 gun shops that are really close on their new gun prices where used guns especially in the pawn shops can vary as much as 30 plus percent from shop to shop.

BemidjiDweller
February 22, 2013, 09:06 PM
Show me where you are finding GP-100's for $350-450 and I'll buy the lot.

WoodchuckAssassin
February 22, 2013, 09:08 PM
"Used" is a relative term. All but one of the guns I own were bought "used," but you'd never know it by looking at them. People are always upgrading their collection, and I don't mind being in the right place at the right time to pickup the scraps. My favorite gun is a custom stocked Ruger m77 that someone else put a lot of money into. I know that the price I got it at was MUCH less than what the original owner paid, and I'm sure it shoots just as well for me as it did for him :D

The one new gun I do own was a total impulse buy. Granted, it's one of my favorites. Haha!

HOOfan_1
February 22, 2013, 09:10 PM
All guns were new once...want more guns in circulation? Buy new every once in a while

nwilliams
February 22, 2013, 09:23 PM
I love buying used guns, most of the guns I own I bought used.

I've probably owned five times as many used guns in my life than new ones. In most cases the used guns I've bought are in practically new condition and a good bit less expensive than buying the same thing new.

I've never owned a new car either, I've only ever bought and only ever will buy a used vehicle.

Inebriated
February 22, 2013, 10:17 PM
I pretty much always buy new, unless what I want is milsurp, or I just happen to see a cool deal. If I'm itching for a gun, I'll likely just save and get it new. If that means waiting months for prices to readjust after a shock like what's currently going on, then so be it. Chances are, used prices wouldn't be any better.

BemidjiDweller
February 22, 2013, 10:43 PM
Your poll is missing an option: I buy what I want regardless of new or used status, as long as I think I'm getting a deal.

I won't hesitate to buy a used Ruger, if something is wrong with it, I'll send it to Ruger to get fixed.

rsrocket1
February 22, 2013, 10:49 PM
Quote:
"unless there's no other option."
That's still a double negative.
No, that's not a double negative.

A double negative would be "unless there was not no other option"

You wouldn't not want to be against being a detractor to poor grammar would you?

vtail
February 22, 2013, 10:52 PM
I don't mind buying used, but I always worry on a rifle some previous owner ran a steel cleaning rod down the barrel and did God knows what to the crown.

4v50 Gary
February 22, 2013, 10:53 PM
I have nothing against used since I can fix them myself.

The schedule being conductive to it, next semester we're learning how to Cerakote. :D

tomykay12
February 22, 2013, 10:58 PM
Home Depot George; my stepmom lives on Merritt Island, and I visit her regularly from California. PM please? I do both, new and used. There are good deals to be had on both sides of this fence. Also, sometimes a particular thing calls your heart and it is not available in one market or the other. A new purchased firearm kept well, assuming a quality piece, will hold it's value and possibly appreciate. tk

Jim Mac
February 22, 2013, 11:13 PM
I buy used, its hard to find brand new luger P08's, broom handle mausers, arisaka rifles, nagant rifles and pistols. (I like the old mil surplus stuff mostly. ) jim

Akita1
February 22, 2013, 11:34 PM
I was just at the LGS looking around for a way to spend my bonus and tax return,as I was checking out revolvers and a brand new stainless GP100 was in the case for 649. I don't get why anyone would drop that kind of cash when used ones are 350 to 450 used and most revolvers Ruger,S&W,Colt are pretty much indestructible unless abused. When I got home I went through my receipts I keep in my safe with my guns and out of 16 only 3 were bought new. The only reasons I can imagine someone would dump that kind of cash is they are either uninformed new buyers or the one they want can't be found used.
I just picked up a new stainless GP100 4" 357 for $569 at my LGS in Winter Park, FL. I have posted about them many times as a "no gouge" LGS (e.g., Pmags $20 out the door, guns at pre-chaos prices, excellent staff/no gun-shop guy attitude). Come over here from Merritt Island brother and check them out of you can!

Akita1
February 22, 2013, 11:37 PM
George - forgot to mention the name in my post: East Orange Shooting Sports

JohnBT
February 22, 2013, 11:50 PM
I like to buy new guns. I couldn't afford too many new guns - the ones I liked anyway - for about 40 years, but after I paid the house off in 1997 that changed in a big way.

I think the last gun I bought was used, a Swiss Army P210. It almost looked new though.

B!ngo
February 22, 2013, 11:51 PM
I'm happy to buy 'pre-owned'. Trouble is that I'm left-handed and so it's quite difficult to find used that is designed to accommodate my 'condition'. So I have a mixed collection. New long guns that are either ambi or left-handed and used handguns that can/have been altered to best fit me.
Overall, I see no reason why not to buy lightly used firearms. Until recently, it was a great way to save money. I guess it still is but only when compared to 'new'.
B

Teachu2
February 23, 2013, 12:00 AM
I usually buy new, because I rarely find what I want used at substantially below new prices and I tend to buy guns that hold their values. Sometimes I'll buy used, and have gotten some smokin' deals that way - especially on package deals where I'm buying more than one of something.

Used prices in CA tend to rival new. Sometimes you find a distressed seller, though, and a year ago it was a buyer's market. I bought a skeet grade LT-1100 20ga for $150 from a young man who lived in a remote town who needed to bail his car from impound. Looks and shoots like new, and he was glad to get the money. I'm headed to Westminster Sunday (120 miles away) to get two used Glocks out of "jail" - the ten days is up. Very low round counts on a 21sf and a 17L, both with trigger work plus all the original parts, neither has seen a holster - and good luck finding NEW ones in CA...

I bought the wife a new LC9, and she hated it as soon as she shot it. Sold it for $10 less than I paid for it. CA is an artificially screwed-up market as many guns are not readily available here.

bracer
February 23, 2013, 12:53 AM
Some of my best buys have ben used firearms. But I have glass bedded the actions , free floated the barrel, adjusted the trigger pull, cleaned the barrel and action. Two rifles needed the bolts lapped; One muzzle had to be recrowned. A bolt would not fulley close and wood needed to be removed under the bolt. There other problems I have found because of poor workmenship at the factory. People get rid of firearms because they are not accurate but may not know why and sell them at a price I like. Over the years I also have purchased new firearms but for me I like giving used guns a tune up to improve there accuracy.

bannockburn
February 23, 2013, 01:19 AM
I couldn't vote for either of the choices because I mainly buy new, especially with semi-autos. When it comes to revolvers though I prefer to find a nice used model (mostly S&W and Ruger), that is in like new condition.

Ignition Override
February 23, 2013, 02:18 AM
HOME DEPOT GEORGE:

I was a "totally uninformed buyer" in '07, at age 52:o.

The gun bug had finally bitten for the first time in my life, and had never bought a gun (had the ancient .22 Savage).
Having always admired the handy the M-1 carbine in movies and tv, the impulse hit.
Bought an imitation built by Auto Ordnance. No reading or 'homework' was done.

After about 200 rds. the bolt felt kind of tight, then when trying to loosen it, it was jammed solid (never dropped or abused).
Free repair, but for the new price I easily could have bought a used, authentic GI version. The actual GI versions' bolts feel more rugged.

ColtPythonElite
February 23, 2013, 02:22 AM
I buy when the price and condition are right...Most are used, though. Simply because most of what I like are no longer in production.

X-JaVeN-X
February 23, 2013, 02:38 AM
I buy new only because...well...that's what I choose to do. That's not just guns however...I can't think of anything that I buy used other than cars and that's just because I choose to not have a car payment and never keep a car more than a couple years.

TennJed
February 23, 2013, 04:00 AM
There are good deals to be had with used, and good deals with new. I buy both.

Twiki357
February 23, 2013, 04:07 AM
I didn't answer your poll question because neither option applies. I buy when I find a bargain on something I want, new or used, doesn't matter.

Ehtereon11B
February 23, 2013, 06:20 AM
Didn't vote. I have bought firearms used and new. I am not too proud to say "I only buy new, can't stand USED" or anything like that. If I find a good deal on a used firearm that is in good condition. I buy it, provided I have the money. Likewise if I find a good price on a new firearm, I buy it.

justice06rr
February 23, 2013, 06:45 AM
Out of all my guns I own, I can count only maybe 2 or 3 that I bought new. All the rest I've bought used.

IMO there's no point of buying new if you can find the same product cheaper used in the same working condition and with the same warranty anyway. A few of the new firearms I've bought are a Ruger 10/22, Taurus 709, and M&P9.

Some guns you also can't buy "new" like Mosins and some AK's.

Robbins290
February 23, 2013, 06:59 AM
Most of my collection is ww2. Impossible to buy new.

But as for modern guns. I always buy new. I've seen too many butcher jobs and horrible "mods" and redneck "customs" on cheap guns all the way up to high end guns. Some I didn't realize they were soo hacked up will I disassembled them for a deep cleaning. Welded handles on a galil, rails TIG welded on rifles, feed ramps filed on a pistol with a chainsaw file. So ya, I buy new now. Always. Unless the price is right. Less then half of a used price.

Fremmer
February 23, 2013, 08:42 AM
Oh come on Robbins, just because I used my dremel on the feed ramp and to smooth out the sear you don't want to buy my special project, lol?!?

Roadking Rider
February 23, 2013, 09:07 AM
I have quite a few used pistols and rifles. No complaints here with any of them. Lucky? Maybe but most of the ones I have bought looks like they are just past the broken in stage. The last one I bought was a very fine one year old CZ po-1. I paid $400 for it, and appears like it has maybe 500 to 600 rounds through it and it shoots 100%. I'd like to publically thank the person who owned it before me for doing such a great job of breaking that pistol in(not that it needed it) for me on there dime. The last pistol I ever expected to find used is a CZ po-1. So THANK YOU
People trade guns in for all sorts of reasons,all the time. I've bought more than a few pistols that people just had to have,only to find out that it wasn't what they really wanted after putting a couple hundred rounds down range. They then became safe queens or traded for something else at a later date. God I love people who buy guns on a whim and not do there homework before they buy them :D

huntsman
February 23, 2013, 09:35 AM
I buy used on impulse, checking over the racks of used guns at the LGS or pawn shop and find a good deal on something I could use.

I buy new when I have a plan in mind, do some research, and set out to purchase a particular make and model.
+1

I've got a list of guns I'd like to own and most aren't being made anymore so I limit my impluse to these select few.

wankerjake
February 23, 2013, 10:29 AM
Used 95+% of the time. There are so many people who buy guns, shoot them once or twice, and sell them when they need money. Often times for great deals. I have bought a number of used firearms that have been in perfect shape for 5-6% of new retail pricing. I always look for used firearms before I consider buying a new one. Even if it's been used, I check them over well before I buy and only buy reliable brands that will fix the firearm anyway should something be wrong.

TarDevil
February 23, 2013, 01:46 PM
I didn't answer the poll 'cause it didn't ask enough questions. I'll buy either, and when used prices are as high as they now are, new makes more sense.

xfyrfiter
February 23, 2013, 02:05 PM
The only guns that I have ever bought new were a 10/22 for the wife, and a Thompson muzzleloader kit gun, all the rest, and there have been many, were used, most were barely used.

wyohome
February 23, 2013, 02:21 PM
I have bought very few new weapons, and of the ones I have bought new, 3 were defective.A S&W J-Frame would sometimes not strike the primer hard enough, sent back, did the same thing, a friend cleaned it up, a Savage with a missing spring, and a Kimber with a chamber so tight that a ramrod was needed to extract the empty brass. Other new weapons that worked as designed were a Ruger Blackhawk, an SKS, 2 Model 94s, and an 870.

RFMan
February 23, 2013, 02:27 PM
It depends. Always does :)

If I want a new firearm, by definition there are no used ones. The question then is: how are the early reports? If good, then I'm buying new. (I NEVER buy FIRST :) )

If I want one that's been in production for some time, again it depends. Sometimes quality gets BETTER over time. Sometimes it gets WORSE. Sometimes later revs are better; sometimes they are worse. Valuations vary too. Sometimes the older but nicer one is overpriced. Sometimes the newer buy nicer one is overpriced.

I have new ones and old ones. Most of my pistols were bought new (not all). Half of my rifles were bought new and half used. It just...depends.

powderx
February 23, 2013, 02:38 PM
Only a couple of used guns here. I prefer new because I know the history of the gun. Unless it is a stellar deal or a collectible that is no longer made (such as a Win 1894), I personally always go new.

Old Fuff
February 23, 2013, 03:01 PM
I seldom buy new these days, largely because I prefer older production with fewer cost-cutting changes and lower prices. But to be fair, I have enough experience to spot trouble before I jump, and the knowledge to fix minor (and sometimes major) problems myself.

I'm mostly interested in vintage revolvers, and because we live in an era of large-cap pistols a fair number are sometimes traded in that are in perfect condition (occasionally still in the original box) by someone who wants the latest-greatest or simply needs some money more then the handgun.

But anyway, I tend to buy "previously owned" cars too. :D

Sauer Grapes
February 23, 2013, 06:21 PM
I like buying used guns. I will NOT buy a used gun over the internet anymore. The last 2 had issues.

Ignition Override
February 23, 2013, 06:34 PM
Even if there were a brand-new Enfield, it would be far too expensive, and probably have plastic parts in it.

It would also have been the case with my almost-mint SKS in early '08.

Roadking Rider
February 23, 2013, 06:44 PM
Like I mentioned I've bought my share of used pistols and rifles,with some great results, but I never bought one that I was not holding in my hands and inspecting it with my own eyes first. I also will not even consider buying a gun that has been mechanically modified.

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