Winchester 1300


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Blakenzy
February 23, 2013, 05:52 AM
There are a lot of interesting features to it, starting with the rotary AR-type bolt and the extreme ease of disassembly, to the aluminum receiver... I was wondering who was the person responsible for this design?

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Levan9X19
February 23, 2013, 06:05 AM
well rotary bolt was known long before AR 15, actually I guess in semi auto it was first used by mexican Manuel Mondragon in his semi auto rifle in year 1887. receivers for shotguns from light alloys where made for sure at the start of XX century. Win 1300 is just a good compilation of previously well known technical solutions. very nice shotgun indeed with smoothest action.

SSN Vet
February 23, 2013, 09:27 PM
I sure like mine

Tomcat47
February 23, 2013, 09:50 PM
I dearly love my 1300......smooth as can be! :)

Here is a 1300 Thread from a while back... Includes pics of my 1300 20 Ga. (Post #26)

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=597616

Fred Fuller
February 23, 2013, 11:31 PM
Winchester needed a less expensive design to replace the Model 12, and design work on a new family of shotguns was started in 1957. The Model 1200 (later the Model 1300) designation for the pump and Model 1400 for the semiauto were approved in 1960. Multiple design teams were responsible, I didn't see any one person given credit for the overall design.

You might be interested to know that late in 1965, at the behest of the Aberdeen Proving Ground's Limited War Laboratory, Winchester began an experimental modification to the Model 1200 and 1400 to allow them to be fed from a detachable box magazine for Winchester's military shotgun program. The designs were never adopted by the military however, despite favorable reports based on the prototypes. In 1969 Winchester conducted in-house engineering evaluations of the box magazine fed guns, and determined that the receivers were subjected to too much stress long term from firing with heavy box magazines in place. The concept was dropped rather than being addressed by an attempt to design a new, stronger receiver.

- info paraphrased from Swearengen's The World's Fighting Shotguns

See also:

http://armedforcesmuseum.com/winchester-model-1200-shotgun/

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=231 (credits Winchester engineer T. C. Johnson with the design)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1200

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1200/1300

Virginian
February 24, 2013, 07:26 AM
I don't know exactly what they changed, but the 1300 is a much better shotgun than the 1200s. The 1200s and 1400s were plagued with multiple issues. They went overboard on the cost cutting. They replaced the 1400 with the Super X which was a huge change.

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