Walther PPX, Hot Diggity Dog!!!!


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Gato MontÚs
February 23, 2013, 07:03 AM
I was browsing the counters at my local fun shop and I noticed a Walther I had not seen nor heard anything about, the PPX. I asked to see it and WOW, what a trigger on that thing! That is seriously the best trigger I have ever experienced on a polymer service pistol, ever. The only thing more shocking was the price; $449 at the shop (no idea if that's a good price or not).

Anyone have any direct experience with these guys? A 9mm is way low an the list of things I need at the moment, but I just can't get over that trigger and grip for that matter as well.

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usp9
February 23, 2013, 09:53 AM
That's probably a great price in the current panic buying madness. Too bad Walther messed up the mag release. They should have left it alone IMHO.

CPshooter
February 23, 2013, 11:06 AM
That price seems a bit high for what you are getting IMHO. For $50 more or even the same $450, you could find a much higher quality firearm. Heck, you can probably find a P99 AS for $550ish and the single action trigger on that is even better, believe it or not. $450 just seems like a lot for a "Walther" that isn't actually made by Walther.

mgmorden
February 23, 2013, 11:34 AM
$450 just seems like a lot for a "Walther" that isn't actually made by Walther.

The PPX is made by Walther. Only their rimfire line is made by Uramex.

Truthfully I think these will eventually settle at around $375 in price, but everything I've seen looks great.

Gato MontÚs
February 23, 2013, 11:43 AM
Yeah, after posting I did a marginal amount of research, nothing leads me to believe that they are not made by Walther.

Further, for the price point I don't think you're going to find a trigger like the one on the PPX. $450 is the MSRP on these, so it will come down from that which will make it even a better deal.

I also found they have one with a threaded barrel; keeping my eyes open for that.

meanmrmustard
February 23, 2013, 11:49 AM
PPQs they are not. You'll probably see them hovering around $400 soon.

RBid
February 23, 2013, 11:57 AM
The PPX is a real Walther. The P22 is Umarex, and I think the PK380 may also be. All of the 9mm and .40 are Walther.

The PPX really does have a well executed trigger. The grip feels like a bony PPQ grip-- meaning that the hump pokes out too sharply in the back for my liking. The slide is a skyscraper. It stands VERY high above the hand.

I'm a Walther guy, but I don't like the PPX.

sigarms228
February 23, 2013, 12:27 PM
I handled and dry fired a PPX at my local Cabelas.

I was suprised by the trigger as it is great IMO but not a DAO as I thought the PPX would be. There is no external hammer that moves and it is an interior hammer design similar to the M&P .22 pistol I believe. It does not have the advantage of the longer trigger pull that I was expecting on a DAO pistol like a SIG P250 as far as another potential safety measure for the shooter for those that prefer such which could also include LE Agencies.

I am not sure about the grip with that hump in the backstrap and it felt a bit uncomfortable in my hand unlike perfection that I feel with my PPQ or a Walther P99. But unless I can actually shoot a PPX I won't know if that matters or not.

I suspect it will be a huge seller for Walther at that price point as long as the PPX does not get any early bad press about a design flaw that would indicate accuracy, reliability, or durabilty problems.

Time will tell howerver if the new PPX is a reliable and durable design for the long run. I bought the PPQ in 9MM without any hesitation after shooting my son's P99 AS. The PPQ is basically a variation of the P99 which is a well proven design with a fifteen year history. The PPX is a brand new design.

Interestingly the Walther PPX, from what I have found out, does not have matching serial numbers on the slide, frame, and barrel and does not come with the factory test target like the Walther PPQ and P99 do. Myself I find that the extra investment for a PPQ or P99 to be well worth it and probably only $150 or so more than the PPX. Having a Walther PPQ I don't feel any desire to get a PPX but certainly want a P99 AS.

However for those who simply can not or do not want to invest that extra around $150 in a PPQ or P99 the Walther PPX could very well be an excellent choice. The only other pistol that appeals to me in the price range of the new PPX is the SIG SP2022 of which I own one and consider my German made SP2022 to be an outstanding pistol that has a history of being a proven relaible and durable design. I bet the stainless steel slide version looks quite a bit better than the regular finished version.

CPshooter
February 23, 2013, 12:35 PM
I stand corrected then! I thought I read before that these were Umarex built guns. Guess not. Either way, I still feel $450 is too much for this gun. But that's just me.

mgmorden
February 23, 2013, 01:06 PM
I was suprised by the trigger as it is great IMO but not a DAO as I thought the PPX would be. There is no external hammer that moves and it is an interior hammer design similar to the M&P .22 pistol I believe. It does not have the advantage of the longer trigger pull that I was expecting on a DAO pistol like a SIG P250 as far as another potential safety measure for the shooter for those that prefer such which could also include LE Agencies.

I don't think they're really marketing these towards law enforcement. This is their budget consumer handgun.

That said, by far the most commonly deployed gun in law enforcment is the Glock which doesn't have too long of a trigger pull. What they've essentially done here is take a hammer fired gun and give it the trigger dynamics of a striker-fired gun. The hammer is partially cocked after each shot. There's no manual cocking, there's no double-strike capability, but the trigger pull is consistent on each shot and being pre-cocked makes it lighter and shorter.

Personally I see this is the best of both worlds. Beretta has done the same thing with the "C" models of the PX4 Storm. I really wish they had this gun available in .357 SIG in addition to 9mm and .40S&W, but I see myself buying one in one of those two versions when things return to normal.

Gato MontÚs
February 23, 2013, 01:48 PM
I'm not really into the whole service style polymer pistol thing so I guess I'm a little more easily impressed than most. I've always wanted to try a PPQ but alas there's never any in stock around here, that's what drew me to this pistol in the first place as I thought I finally found one to fondle. But if this is to be considered an entry level Walther it makes my lust for a PPQ grow even more.

The hammer is partially cocked after each shot. There's no manual cocking, there's no double-strike capability, but the trigger pull is consistent on each shot and being pre-cocked makes it lighter and shorter.


That threw me off at first. It was explained to me as DAO, so after the first pull I tried again with no success to my confusion.

chris in va
February 23, 2013, 01:58 PM
Sounds similar in operation to the KelTec PF9. Partially cocked hammer, no second strike.

Soldiernurse
February 24, 2013, 01:05 AM
The PPX is a fake!

Fishbed77
February 24, 2013, 01:09 AM
PPX. I asked to see it and WOW, what a trigger on that thing! That is seriously the best trigger I have ever experienced on a polymer service pistol, ever.

Sounds like someone has never handled a P99AS.

Ehtereon11B
February 24, 2013, 06:47 AM
Sounds like someone has never handled a P99AS.

+1

I have tried the PPQ and will try the PPX when I find one. The PPQ is a severe downgrade to the P99AS to me.

Gato MontÚs
February 24, 2013, 09:53 AM
Fellas, don't tempt me...:cuss:

bainter1212
February 24, 2013, 10:13 AM
I have been lusting after the P99AS for awhile now.....I have the PPS and I LOVE it.

RBid
February 24, 2013, 02:02 PM
P99AS, PPQ, PPS... All awesome. No losers in that bunch.

5-SHOTS
April 6, 2013, 04:29 PM
One question: does the PPX have a second strike capability? In other words is it a true DAO pistol or is it basically like a PPQ in that regard?

The hammer is partially cocked after each shot. There's no manual cocking, there's no double-strike capability, but the trigger pull is consistent on each shot and being pre-cocked makes it lighter and shorter.


Edit: answer found by reading the first posts, thanks.

HKGuns
April 6, 2013, 05:38 PM
I still feel $450 is too much for this gun. But that's just me.

Please name a better pistol that can be purchased for that amount of money.

I looked at one today and prefer my PPQ, although the threaded barrel is a nice addition. The button kills it for me and I hope they produce some with paddles in the future. I'd like to get a threaded barrel for my PPQ eventually. The one I fondled was only a bit cheaper.....$445 as I recall.

One question: does the PPX have a second strike capability? In other words is it a true DAO pistol or it basically like a PPQ in this regard?

"Most striker fired pistols have no second strike capability, it appears there are a few that now have second strike capability but I could not enumerate them off hand for this thread. The P99 appears to have this capability. I just verified my PPQ does not have this capability.

The PPQ is a severe downgrade to the P99AS to me.

Please elaborate all of the downgrades. I have never owned a P99. They look pretty darn similar to my eyes and I like the slide release better on the PPQ in contrast to the hard to operate SIG style release on the P99AS.

http://photos.gunsamerica.com/d/5766-1/walther-p99-PPQ-striker-fired-decocker-pistol-comparison-side-by-side.jpg

TestPilot
April 6, 2013, 10:42 PM
Interestingly the Walther PPX, from what I have found out, does not have matching serial numbers on the slide, frame, and barrel...

Good. No need to give retarded politicians inspirations for more sick ideas.

HKGuns
April 7, 2013, 12:29 PM
It appears all the hot air above was just that.....hot air. Not a single answer to my questions.

Soldiernurse
April 7, 2013, 02:42 PM
P99AS, PPQ, PPS... All awesome. No losers in that bunch
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PabloJ
April 7, 2013, 04:02 PM
Please name a better pistol that can be purchased for that amount of money.

I looked at one today and prefer my PPQ, although the threaded barrel is a nice addition. The button kills it for me and I hope they produce some with paddles in the future. I'd like to get a threaded barrel for my PPQ eventually. The one I fondled was only a bit cheaper.....$445 as I recall.



Striker fired pistols have no second strike capability.



Please elaborate all of the downgrades. I have never owned a P99. They look pretty darn similar to my eyes and I like the slide release better on the PPQ in contrast to the hard to operate SIG style release on the P99AS.

http://photos.gunsamerica.com/d/5766-1/walther-p99-PPQ-striker-fired-decocker-pistol-comparison-side-by-side.jpg
You can pick up second-hand version of bottom thingy in top shape with ergonomically enhanced S&W slide for about $350. It was referred to as S&W99.

wild cat mccane
April 7, 2013, 04:54 PM
Striker fired doesn't have 2nd strike capabilities?

Someone better tell that to the P99AS. SA/DA/DA.

Every pull shoots a round.

HKGuns
April 7, 2013, 07:58 PM
News to me....but thanks for correcting me. It must be pre-cocked or something, is it only the P99AS as I've not noticed this, or tested it, for that matter on my PPQ.

"Most" striker fired don't have second strike capability.

Edit: I just verified on my pistol and the PPQ does not have this capability, are you sure the P99 is striker fired?

Pukindog12
April 8, 2013, 01:23 AM
Yes. The P99 AS is striker fired.

5-SHOTS
April 8, 2013, 05:07 AM
The P99 AS is stiker-fired and has a second (third, fourth, ...) strike capability. It's a SA/DA pistol. The button on the slide decocks the stiker for a first DA shot. So it's basically like the hammer-fired SIG-Sauer SP2022 or the CZ P-01 in handling. I like my P99 AS very much.

Fishbed77
April 8, 2013, 12:40 PM
I like the slide release better on the PPQ in contrast to the hard to operate SIG style release on the P99AS.

Newer P99AS pistols have the same ambidextrous slide release as the PPQ.

Though the original style works just as well as the new, unless you are left-handed.

In response to the previous questions, the P99AS is striker-fired, and it does have 2nd-strike capability.

wild cat mccane
April 8, 2013, 04:20 PM
Kinda. The P99 has always been available as a "Night Defense Kit" version which included night sites, long slide release, and ambi slide release.

Gen 3's still have the small release. You have to find one with the long /ambi release.

Yes. You can never deactivate the striker on the P99AS. The AS is meant to mimic a hammer fired. Each and every trigger pull will release the striker. It always reverts to double action when single action doesn't work or if the trigger is pulled on empty.

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