Can anyone tell me about this sword? 1914 date


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jmace57
February 23, 2013, 02:15 PM
A friend has asked me to find out if this sword has any appreciable value. Frankly, I have never really seen anything like it. I have never seen such a utilitarian sword. It is dated 1914 with the letters S and A. It has what appears to be a rubber handle or grip (or whatever you call it on a sword). The scabbard is very utilitarian and almost looks like a heavy canvas. It has a flaming bomb stamp on it, which I assumis the the US quartermaster's stamp? Can anyone tell me anything about this? Thanks all.

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i390/jmace57/Sword_zps984453e3.jpg

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i390/jmace57/Sword2_zps88a983e5.jpg

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i390/jmace57/sword3_zpsa681b62f.jpg

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rcmodel
February 23, 2013, 02:28 PM
It is a M-1913 Patton calvary saber made by Springfield Armory in 1914.

The flaming bomb is the ordinance acceptance stamp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_1913_Cavalry_Saber

http://www.collectorsmilitaria.com/a_very_nice_1914_dated_us_patton_sword_by_springfield_Armory_061512.htm

Yours is in only fair condition, and would not be real valuable to a collector.
However, it should still be a $300 - $400 sword I would think.

rc

Gordon
February 23, 2013, 02:32 PM
I'll give you $300 and I will bring it to a razor edge :evil:

jmace57
February 23, 2013, 02:58 PM
Thanks gents for the information.

NG VI
February 25, 2013, 02:54 PM
I wonder if those were sought after in the trenches at all, or if they were left behind because of length or concerns about getting hung up on things?

rcmodel
February 25, 2013, 03:17 PM
From Wakypeedia:

the last saber issued to U.S. cavalry, was never used as intended. At the beginning of U.S. involvement in World War I, several American cavalry units armed with sabers were sent to the front, but they were held back. The nature of war had changed, making horse-mounted troops easy prey for enemy troops equipped with Gewehr 98 rifles and MG08 machine guns. Those cavalrymen who saw combat did so dismounted, using their horses only to travel.

" But when it was issued, it was already militarily obsolete because modern warfare did not allow the cavalry charges for which it was intended. According to Parker, "if it was ever drawn in anger, I can find no record of it."

I would say the only ones that ever drew blood in anger where the ones cut up in three sections and made into three WWII trench knives.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/wwi-wwii-us-fighting-knife-trench-knife-patton

rc

USAF_Vet
February 25, 2013, 03:22 PM
The handle has been replaced, too. That is going to detract from the value.

JShirley
February 25, 2013, 03:28 PM
NG,

They were not intended for trenches, but mounted cavalry, which was obsolete when they were issued. Some dumb ass somewhere tried to carry one, I'm sure, but British officers also supposedly led some charges waving swagger sticks.

John

NG VI
February 26, 2013, 07:26 PM
Seriously? They have an odd culture.

As far as the sword goes, that's about what I expected.

Gordon
February 26, 2013, 11:39 PM
The original poster PMed me asking if I would give $300. I told him yes IF you ship it at your expense ($15 or less) and take Pay Pal so I am guaranteed on getting it (buyer protection and they DO refund your money if seller cannot prove he sent it). Never heard since then!:rolleyes:
Seriously I gave my Patton sword to a knife maker that wanted one a few years back,:uhoh:, and been looking for a solid "user" which I DO intend to sharpen real sharp and keep for a defensive tool. Thats what I call a non firearm weapon ! If you don't have to carry it around then I jolly well want a sword !:evil:

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