Browning Hi-Power ? Values vary?


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jstein650
February 23, 2013, 02:40 PM
Got a buddy looking at a like new Browning Hi-Power 9mm. The prices I've seen seem all over the place, I mean by a lot! It's a newer model (plastic grips) blued, "Made in Belgium assembled in Portugal" with 2 hi-cap magazines. It has the ambi. extended safety. Any idea of the value? I mean, without the current hysteria factor.
Also, and this may be a dumb question, are the "MkIII" models marked as such?

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JTQ
February 23, 2013, 03:46 PM
It may be regional as far as price goes. In my neck of the woods, pre-gun craze, a new MKIII Hi-Power was a $900-$1,000 pistol. That was a year or two ago. I haven't seen any recently.

Here is the MSRP, $1,060, so my local prices were probably about right.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=007B&cid=051&tid=001

Torian
February 23, 2013, 04:35 PM
Depends. If you can find one of the hard chromed ones with a gold trigger, they will fetch an even higher price if they are NIB.

10 years ago I paid 650.00 for mine. Aside from some trigger creep, it is probably among my favorite autos for duty or CCW.

jstein650
February 23, 2013, 04:42 PM
Thanks guys. I wish I had held on to my knock-off. I had an FEG - not a Browning - but still was a very decent gun.

PT92
February 23, 2013, 11:41 PM
Nothing like the original Browning HP to be sure--That said, I never could see spending 1K on any one handgun (YMMV) so I picked up a FM Argentinian model a few years back and it is a very well made Hi Power "clone." If money were no object, I would have a few Brownings.

browningguy
February 23, 2013, 11:51 PM
Not more than $650 around here, I bought a MKIII in .40 S&W that was mint and probably never fired more than a mag or two for $450 about 5 years ago. Last year I saw several very nice Mk III's in the $500-650 range at local shows and shops.

Early Belgian guns go for more, even though they really aren't as good for an everyday carry gun (MKIII sights are better). THey aren't marked MK III, and there are several places online you can look up the serial number to get a date of manufacture, or just ask and one of us can look it up in our books.

Sam Cade
February 24, 2013, 12:49 AM
Used MKIIIs go for about $700 'round here.

JTQ
February 25, 2013, 09:09 AM
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Dentite
February 25, 2013, 02:39 PM
$600-750 depending on area.

I've bought a like new (seriously mint) MkIII polished blue used on Gunbroker in the last year for $600 + shipping and transfer so about $650.

Also bought a used with some minor imperfections MkIII in .40 in a local FTF deal for $650.

About a year ago you could buy a new matte black epoxy coated BHP from CDNN for $700 plus shipping and transfer.

Babarsac
February 25, 2013, 06:44 PM
Man, last year I picked up a true Belgian built HP for $400. I must be one of the lucky ones.

modifiedbrowning
February 25, 2013, 07:19 PM
I picked up a Mark III a couple of years ago for $499. My blued Hi Power that I bought a year before that was $550, both were bought used.

Pilot
February 25, 2013, 09:31 PM
All Browning Hi Powers that were made after 1988 are "MK III's". While values may vary, a used MK III in nice condition should be able to be acquired for $600 or so. For NIB, obviously a bit more. You may have to look a bit, but deals are out there.

johnmcl
February 26, 2013, 10:23 AM
The center of gravity for gently used, low mileage BHPs here in Virginia is between $600 and $700.

Have you ever noticed now many posts we get about regret in letting a BHP go? I think that says something.

Orion8472
February 26, 2013, 11:17 AM
I paid $750 for my Belgian made [and assembled] HP, but it did have night sights, special hammer, and a pretty good trigger. Had wood grips too, but I put Hogues on instead.

Bullet Bob
February 26, 2013, 03:36 PM
"The center of gravity for gently used, low mileage BHPs here in Virginia is between $600 and $700.

Have you ever noticed now many posts we get about regret in letting a BHP go? I think that says something."


Where the heck is the "Like" button on this forum?!? ;)

PT92
February 27, 2013, 12:15 AM
...You may have to look a bit, but deals are out there.

Swap out "a bit" for "indefinitely" and you're correct ;)...Really difficult to find deals out there at the moment but I agree with you in that there should be a much better chance of finding one relative to these models (though there are so many places 'out of stock' even on .22lr guns at the moment). I have a few guns that I have placed on my "Wish List" at a few sites like Gallery of Guns--I will receive an email saying that the gun is back in stock and "Literally" and immediately click on the link to that site listing the "Wish List Back in Stock Item" only to find that in less than one minute since receiving the email that there are ZERO remaining in Stock :fire:. Mind you that this has happened to me countless times on several different sites in which I have previously purchased.

I realize that I am "preaching to the choir" as they say, but the current chaotic environment of today makes the late 20th Century's scare resulting from Clinton's AWB look like a picnic...

Pilot
February 27, 2013, 12:18 AM
True, the current climate is difficult for almost all firearms acquisition, but there are signs it is loosening up. I am hopeful in a few months, indefinitely may just turn into an eternity. :)

sub-moa
February 27, 2013, 10:04 PM
All Browning Hi Powers that were made after 1988 are "MK III's".

WADR, the words "all" and "never" are best avoided when referring to the BHP pistol ;). All Browning Hi Powers that were made after 1988 are NOT "MK III's". FN produced the MkII and MkIII simultaneously through 1989...

Orion8472
February 27, 2013, 10:20 PM
Since we're talking "dates", currently, . . . from 1998 and on, it says that "510=Hi Power". Is "511" just a newer designation?

^From: http://www.browning.com/customerservice/dategun/detail.asp?id=35

Outlaw Man
February 28, 2013, 05:38 PM
Mine (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=648634&highlight=browning+carbon+fiber) was free. :D

In all seriousness, I normally see them going in the $800-900 range around here. I don't see them very often, though.

Pilot
March 1, 2013, 07:10 AM
WADR, the words "all" and "never" are best avoided when referring to the BHP pistol . All Browning Hi Powers that were made after 1988 are NOT "MK III's". FN produced the MkII and MkIII simultaneously through 1989...

I should have indicated that or used a qualifier like "in general". However, the fact remains that FN started the MK III production in 1988, and pretty much anything after 1988 is going to be a MK III. Certainly, after 1989 all BHP's are MK III's.

sub-moa
March 2, 2013, 12:26 PM
WADR, the words "all" and "never" are best avoided when referring to the BHP pistol . All Browning Hi Powers that were made after 1988 are NOT "MK III's". FN produced the MkII and MkIII simultaneously through 1989...

I should have indicated that or used a qualifier like "in general". However, the fact remains that FN started the MK III production in 1988, and pretty much anything after 1988 is going to be a MK III. Certainly, after 1989 all BHP's are MK III's.

WADR, I'd be warm and fuzzy with leaving it at: "I should have...used a qualifier like "in general"." ;):D. Concurrent regular production of both versions hardly qualifies as "pretty much anything" to say nothing of contract pistols manufactured with specific features outside that which was in regular production at the time...and again, I would suggest: "the words "all" and "never" are best avoided when referring to the BHP pistol"...

Attempts to pidgeonhole BHP pistol variants...outside the nomenclature used by FN…or Browning ;):scrutiny: can be, uhmmm...counterproductive ;):D

VAgunner
March 2, 2013, 08:40 PM
IMHO people over pay for BHPs. I always see people stating that they are $600+ used guns but I personally have never paid more than $550. If you are patient know what you are looking for and have cash when the right guns show up you can get BHPs in the $500 range.

Prices will vary from one region to another but not by as much as they used to. With the internet and a good transfer dealer regional price variances can be eliminated.

The contract guns is where date and version really get confusing. Guns like the Israeli MKII 1/2s for example. They show signs of MKII guns and MKIII guns as they shipped from the factory.

Most of the time you can tell a MKIII gun by the cast frame which will have lines on the mag well area. There are some MKIIIs with forge frames but not many and there are IIRC no MKIIs with cast frames. In this pic both guns IIRC are MKIIIs.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/DifferenceMkIIandMkIII_files/image008.jpg

sub-moa
March 2, 2013, 11:59 PM
@ the risk of appearing the resident know-it-all of the thread :o, allow me to suggest: FN actually produced many MkIII pistols from late '88 into '94 with forged frames...like the frame pictured on the left of your photo (Note the thin left/right front edges of the magwell...as compared to the same, thicker, areas of the cast frame pictured on the right).

FNs initial cast frame MkIIIs were without the familiar frame striations as seen on the frame pictured on the right of your photo. Early cast frames can definitively be identified by a casting icon on the upper inside right of the magazine well that looks like this:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/sub-moa/image004_zpsbd62e6e7.jpg

We are BTW in agreement regarding contract pistols...particularly the Israeli surplus BHPs identified by some as the MkII 1/2...

AND...if you are getting excellent condition BHPs for $500, I need to move back up to Virginia ;):D

jstein650
March 3, 2013, 03:17 AM
Holy Cow! In the last 2 weeks, I've learned more about what I DIDN'T know about what I didn't know, about the BHP! All good information! Excellent.:)

45Fan
March 3, 2013, 01:24 PM
All I know is I paid $600 for mine, and it was near perfect when I brought it home. It has since picked up a bit of carry wear, but those of you that own a high power can probably understand this. I love my 1911s, and would never think of getting rid of them, but the High-Power is quickly becoming one of my favorite EDC pistols.

VAgunner
March 3, 2013, 01:35 PM
@ the risk of appearing the resident know-it-all of the thread , allow me to suggest: FN actually produced many MkIII pistols from late '88 into '94 with forged frames...like the frame pictured on the left of your photo (Note the thin left/right front edges of the magwell...as compared to the same, thicker, areas of the cast frame pictured on the right).

Again I think you are choosing to disagree based on a subjective reading of someones broad statement. Context is everything. If you look at the total production of BHPs the number of MKIIIs with forged frames is very small. Even if you consider only production between 88 to 94 the percentage of forged MKIIIs is small compared to the total amount produced. IIRC most were left over parts many which were used to fulfill contract gun orders. The vagueness of terms like "many" isn't really worth debating without context.

As for the lack of serrations yes there are "some" cast BHPs, one of those vague words again, that lack the serrations but again in terms of the number which include them they are gew an far between. The info you posted on the cast mark is good info for those who think they might be in possession of what of these guns.

Pilot
March 3, 2013, 05:55 PM
^^^^^ Articulate response, stated better than I could. Needless to say I agree.

VAgunner
March 3, 2013, 06:14 PM
At least we all agree the BHP is worth talking about!!!!!! :D

HorseSoldier
March 3, 2013, 10:59 PM
^^^^^

A more elegant weapon, for a more civilized age . . .

sub-moa
March 4, 2013, 12:16 AM
Again I think you are choosing to disagree based on a subjective reading of someones broad statement. Context is everything. If you look at the total production of BHPs the number of MKIIIs with forged frames is very small. Even if you consider only production between 88 to 94 the percentage of forged MKIIIs is small compared to the total amount produced. IIRC most were left over parts many which were used to fulfill contract gun orders. The vagueness of terms like "many" isn't really worth debating without context.

As for the lack of serrations yes there are "some" cast BHPs, one of those vague words again, that lack the serrations but again in terms of the number which include them they are gew an far between. The info you posted on the cast mark is good info for those who think they might be in possession of what of these guns.

Gently, politely and respectfully offering specific correct information in response to broad, vague or just plain incorrect information has nothing to do with “subjective reading”.

Some threads seek debate; ”Is plastic really better than steel?”…and then develop that debate. Others seek information, specific information; ”are the "MkIII" models marked as such?”…and then frequently develop such that additional information naturally flows. Personally, I don’t have an interest in the debate threads…or those informational threads that some wish to turn into debates, when their position is questioned. When this occurs, the parsing of words, redirecting of the discussion and subtle altering of positions is boring and transparent. I come here to obtain information from those more familiar with a subject than I OR provide information to others when I’m fortunate to be an individual who happens to be more familiar with a subject.

Why bother to get the information right? Well, individuals post here seeking information regarding pistols they are considering buying, have just bought or otherwise acquired and/or, as in this case, have a real interest in. Often they then make decisions that involve spending hard earned money. I think most would agree, those individuals deserve specific information rather than broad, vague information, or…as too often occurs, ill-informed speculation. Specific correct information just might better serve the forum as a whole.

To the point:
“If you look at the total production of BHPs the number of MKIIIs with forged frames is very small. Even if you consider only production between 88 to 94 the percentage of forged MKIIIs is small compared to the total amount produced. IIRC most were left over parts many which were used to fulfill contract gun orders. ”

Okay then, let’s “consider only production between 88 to 94” as suggested, in looking at “the percentage of forged MKIIIs” and see if it really is “small compared to the total amount produced” as claimed.

MkIII production began in ’88 with forged frame pistols…because FN only built forged frame BHP pistols then. FN began development of the cast frame BHP as a result of the search for a tougher pistol…it is widely accepted, to accommodate the .40S&W…a cartridge which wasn’t even introduced until ’93. And, although FN began production of the cast frame .40 in late ’93, due to “issues”, series production didn’t begin until ’94. FN made the financial decision to build both the .40 and 9mmP BHPs on the cast frame…and phase-out the forged frame. Consequently, it’s quite obvious, the vast majority of MKIIIs produced between ’88 and ’94 were, in fact, built on the forged frame…the complete opposite of the claim posted above.

CNobbe
March 4, 2013, 12:20 AM
I paid $600 for a like new BHP from 1988 w/ two mags and box. Not a bad deal at all, but I think people are generally paying more for them..

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