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Wildalaska
December 27, 2002, 04:55 PM
I was just looking at my web statistics for the past month and was real happy about our traffic, but was troubled by the fact that over 50% of visitors were using AOL...

Now Im sure it upsets the powers that be at AOL Time Warner that their users are looking at evil gun web sites, but the fact remains that it is absolutely amazing to me that gun owners throw money into the coffers of a media conglomerate that actively seeks to disarm citizens (and looks at you with contempt besides)..

Now I myself I am sure have opinions that are far to the left of many of the opinions I see on this Board, but I have never used AOL..how many of you do??? I find it hysterical that some guys who vociferously spout off about their "rights" are doing so using AOL....

There is no reason whatsoever to use AOL...there is an ISP in every town in the US...if you dont know how to set up a Browser there are people here to help you. Consider..if there are 500,000 guns owners who use AOL and all of them dump em...thats a nice hit...

Lets start the boycott here...what if acess to this Board was cut off for AOL users for example..

ANY SUGGESTIONS....???

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PDshooter
December 27, 2002, 04:59 PM
I agree! they really do SUCK!!!!!:mad:
Got ATT now DSL. Don' think they are anymore RCBA then AOL
But you sure can download right now!!

GinSlinger
December 27, 2002, 05:00 PM
WildAlaska,

Why I agree with your insights to AOL/Time Warner, I think that a boycott need be voluntary to make a statement. Cutting off access to AOL users is discrimination, not boycotting. BTW, try seeing a good movie that is not, in some way, connected to AOL/Time Warner. New Line Cinema is one of my favorite production companies, and producers of the Lord of The Rings Trilogy, and is an AOL affiliate. Unfortunately my boycott of AOL breaks down whenever a good movie comes out :(

GinSlinger

Cliff
December 27, 2002, 05:06 PM
Yeah, what WildAlaska said! plus AOL's browser ain't worth 2 scoops of hot steaming horse manure on a cold winter day. Ever wonder why you can't download or go to some sites? AOL's browser is why. True Internet Explorer is not all that either,but it does not restrict you in your surfing as AOL may do. Some folks may say that they have never had a problem with AOL,true,maybe not,but expand your world and experience the real internet outside of AOL, you will see the difference.

Sorry fellas...

Rant off.

Standing Wolf
December 27, 2002, 05:10 PM
I don't do business with companies that practice both censorship and anti-Second Amendment bigotry.

Wildalaska
December 27, 2002, 05:11 PM
I know how you feel I even have HBO!

But that and New Line are also a "necessity" :) ..AOL is not..

The easy way to keep AOL off of the Board is to help people ditch them...like make it a rule that AOL is discouraged...

benewton
December 27, 2002, 05:49 PM
I dumped AOL eight years or so ago when the assisted the feds in busting a couple of child porn types. I've no objection to busting child porn idiots, but, for them to do so, they had to have been looking at all of the traffic over their system, or at least been able to do so, whenever they pleased.

And I saw no reason why my mail should be read, regardless of content. FWIW, in my case, it would have been circuit board files, transmitted to manufacturers, schematics and software, to clients...

They were dumped, and were told the reason.

Since then, I've learned that there are all kinds of problems transferring .zip files to AOL users, and, so, as far as I'm concerned, the service is useless, even before we go into local access numbers, etc.

Face it, from a techinical point of view, AOL is obsolete, and can be replaced with better service at a lesser cost. Or, in my case, a local ISP with DSL, saving an extra phone line, and probably justifying the 50% fee increase over dial up, excluding convience, of course.

No, don't refuse to allow AOL access to the site, since I'm not all that sure everybody here has some other option.

But, do discourage it's use.

2dogs
December 27, 2002, 05:53 PM
Dumped, about 1 yr ago.

Went to KABA, then they folded their ISP so I went to outdoorsunlimited.net and it is excellant- I would recommend to anyone using dial up.

Gray Fox
December 27, 2002, 06:14 PM
MSN. They aren't so bad, and MSN8 has some good stuff on it, too. No POP3 email, though.

Blackhawk
December 27, 2002, 06:17 PM
Never had AOL. Never would.

clange
December 27, 2002, 06:30 PM
Anyone have some record of AOL's anti gun stance? I need something to show my dad so he gets rid of the 9.99 non-isp service he still uses.

Captain Bligh
December 27, 2002, 06:35 PM
I've been on Prodigy, MSN, someone I don't remember, and now AOL for more years than I can count. Can someone give me a persuasive arguement backed by facts and supporting data why AOL is worthy of dumping? They let me go anywhere I want and they even run their own little gun talk board on AOL (keyword: guns). They have good parental controls for those of us with kids. They are an ISP people love to hate but so far no one has given me evidence enough to convince me--just lots of rants and innuendo. What are the facts?

RM

2nd Amendment
December 27, 2002, 07:32 PM
Along with the car business I am riding herd on a local ISP. So, why dump AOL? Because they track where you go and what you do. Because very few places have local customer or technical support. Because their downtime is more than the average local ISP. Because the official stance of Time/Warner is anti-gun. Because they're a great big bloody conglomerate sucking dollars out of local communities which you could help to keep local AND get yourself a better product in the process.

We refer to AOHell as the Beginners Service. They get that free disk with their nice new comp and on they go. Six months later we're explaining to them how to delete all that crap off their machine and get it working right. :D

Diesle
December 27, 2002, 07:41 PM
Isnt the fact that the service is total crap enough incentive to dump AOL? Regardless of their politics..

Diesle

Hkmp5sd
December 27, 2002, 07:48 PM
Never had AOL, never will. Still, it is a personal choice. Boycott is good, banning users is not.

Preacherman
December 27, 2002, 07:58 PM
It's not for us at The High Road to dictate to our members which ISP they should use. If we were to get into this sort of thing, we would have ceased to keep our focus on "The High Road", and the RKBA struggle, and would have allowed other, more petty issues to tie our hands. I think that this is a choice best left to our members to make for themselves. In the meantime, let's encourage other ISP's not to make the same mistakes AOL has made, and let's reward those who help our struggle by giving them our business.

Gordon
December 27, 2002, 08:13 PM
Please help me get off AOL. I am not real saavy about moving this or that. I dont use aol to get to forums I only have it because it has my name as my address for friends ect. I have DSL thru the TV cable company and I use explorer to go on line. I hate the explorer mail box and aol has filters. Please suggest I pro gun server(or what ever you call it) that will be there 5 years from now ,wont expose me to spam and I can have a simple address with my name then something dot com. Then tell me how to purge aol out of my system without destroying files and I'll do it.:confused: :confused:

QuickDraw
December 27, 2002, 08:21 PM
Had AOL about 8 years ago.Canceled my account,they kept
billing my credit card:mad: !Damn near took an act of Congress
to get them to stop!Have Earthlink dsl now,with spam and pop-up
filters.:p
My friends think I'm nuts when I won't buy or won't go to a
known gun unfriendly bussiness.Gotta start somewhere!

QuickDraw

Captain Bligh
December 27, 2002, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by 2nd Amendment
Because the official stance of Time/Warner is anti-gun.

Please show me the evidence that Time/Warner is anti-gun.

How anti-gun can you be and still run a gun talk discussion board? :confused:

RJ

gryphon
December 27, 2002, 09:42 PM
Even if you ignore the fact that AOL may/maynot be anti-gun, AOL and it's similar packagings from other companies is only useful for complete newbs to the internet world.

After a few months and the erasure of the "mystery" of the internet, I recommend to everyone that I know that they go with a broadband alternative or a local dial up company. There is nothing on AOL that you cannot get off the internet from somewhere and way better to boot. Just look at this forum and TFL! I doubt very seriously that you would get this kind of brotherhood and knowledge from AOL.

Tommy.Gun
December 27, 2002, 10:30 PM
Americans Opressing Liberty.............

Greg L
December 27, 2002, 11:06 PM
I heard these guys on a local talk show a few weeks ago. I had been saving the cd's for targets at the range but they seem to have a greater need for them..

http://www.nomoreaolcds.com/

Greg :D

PATH
December 28, 2002, 01:20 AM
Have not and will never use AOL. AOL stinks IMHO and I would not use their service even were it free.:mad:

Wildalaska
December 28, 2002, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by Gordon
Please help me get off AOL. I am not real saavy about moving this or that. I dont use aol to get to forums I only have it because it has my name as my address for friends ect. I have DSL thru the TV cable company and I use explorer to go on line. I hate the explorer mail box and aol has filters. Please suggest I pro gun server(or what ever you call it) that will be there 5 years from now ,wont expose me to spam and I can have a simple address with my name then something dot com. Then tell me how to purge aol out of my system without destroying files and I'll do it.:confused: :confused:

Real easy you already have DSL, internet explorer right?
Call your DSL host and ask if they have spam filters..if they do, get an email addy from them, just make sure you update Outlook express, sign up for filters and notify everyone of your new email addy...

If you dont like Outlook, get Eudora..

Then just uninstall AOL....use windows to do it....

If you hasve problems, find the nearest 12 year old....

Gordon
December 28, 2002, 10:39 AM
Thanks I'm doing it. I can have $24 a month more ammo now.

cuchulainn
December 28, 2002, 10:46 AM
AOL is a horrible product. It's the Cheez-Whiz of internet providers. Just because a lot of people use it doesn't mean there aren't better and/or cheaper things out there.

Dump it regardless of its politics.

Tady45
December 28, 2002, 11:37 AM
Hi my name is Larry, I am an AOL aholic...Yes I know it's the worst and I will be making a change, but to what? I had Earthlink, but do not like the fact that its owned by a super rich Scientolgist no less!! Yes, that's right for all of you unaware of that little fact! I don't need my bucks going to a stinking cult. Net Zero runs a bunch of ads etc. Digital is not yet available in my area..:confused: So in the mean time, $24 bucks a month, getting bumped off half the time, and waiting forever to connect, is my cross to bear....


Larry

Jmurman
December 28, 2002, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Wildalaska
I was just looking at my web statistics for the past month and was real happy about our traffic, but was troubled by the fact that over 50% of visitors were using AOL...

Now Im sure it upsets the powers that be at AOL Time Warner that their users are looking at evil gun web sites, but the fact remains that it is absolutely amazing to me that gun owners throw money into the coffers of a media conglomerate that actively seeks to disarm citizens (and looks at you with contempt besides)..

Now I myself I am sure have opinions that are far to the left of many of the opinions I see on this Board, but I have never used AOL..how many of you do??? I find it hysterical that some guys who vociferously spout off about their "rights" are doing so using AOL....

There is no reason whatsoever to use AOL...there is an ISP in every town in the US...if you dont know how to set up a Browser there are people here to help you. Consider..if there are 500,000 guns owners who use AOL and all of them dump em...thats a nice hit...

Lets start the boycott here...what if acess to this Board was cut off for AOL users for example..

ANY SUGGESTIONS....???
I switched to a cable internet provider, but after anbout 6 months of very fast speed and $60 per month, gave it up for $17 and Att.net. Its a dial up, but I'me saving money that I can use for ammo!

YankeeRebel
December 28, 2002, 05:34 PM
Remember that a few years ago AOL bought CompuServe which then had an execellent gun site. I could not believe the number of good posts on that site. Guess what, AOL removed the gun site and would not bring it back no matter what their customer said.

I dropped AOL because no matter how much I tightened down the filter I could not stop the mail from porn sites enticing me to log onto their site. No thanks. I don't need porn sites.

At work my job brings me in close contact with our security staff. One of our security staff said that one of our employees is getting obscene mailings from an AOL site. They have contacted AOL and asked them to do what they can to stop the incidents. The last time I asked our employee is still receiving those same mailings from the AOL address.

All of this says to stay away from anything to do with AOL.

gorf
December 28, 2002, 06:34 PM
My employer uses AOL, even though he has a ISDN link with another provider. He likes it becuase it is so easy to use. I told him I don't like it because it is so hard to use...that was so he would not ask me questions when he has problems. I rate AOL at the bottom of the heap, just above Prodigy.

Schuey2002
December 28, 2002, 08:01 PM
I use it because it is free. If you want to send me some money to go and use someone else,then feel free to mail me some..:D
I know that they are a bunch of Clinton-lovin' Socialists, I won't dispute that.

I enjoy stringing AOL along. It's fun !!

I threaten to cancel,and they give me more and more free service. Once, they say, "You have to pay to continue your AOL account", then I'll drop them like a dead weight. ;)

gorf
December 28, 2002, 08:32 PM
I wouldn't use them even if was free, but that's just me.

MountainPeak
December 28, 2002, 08:54 PM
Many people like to talk the talk, but refuse to walk the walk if it is inconvenient or might cost them a few bucks. If I know a company is actively supporting anti-gun/2nd Amendment causes I do not support them. I personally think the word hypocrite applies if you don't put your money where your mouth is!

ChickenHawk
December 29, 2002, 04:57 PM
IMHO this is silly at best.

I don't use AOL and agree that as a service it's crap. I've used a broadband connection through my local cable provider for years and I love the service.

Oops! When I write my check every month it goes to Time Warner! :eek: Now what do I do?

ChickenHawk

Russ
December 30, 2002, 12:34 PM
I got roped into using Compuserve, AOL's evil twin a few years ago when they were handing out money to join. Got my son a computer. Now my 3 year commitement is up and I'm thinking of Juno or NetZero because of cost. Why pay $22 when I can pay $10?

You can boycott AOL, etc but it won't mean beans to them. We're talking Time Warner here. You are just a flea to them and they don't care.

Jmurman
December 30, 2002, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Russ
I got roped into using Compuserve, AOL's evil twin a few years ago when they were handing out money to join. Got my son a computer. Now my 3 year commitement is up and I'm thinking of Juno or NetZero because of cost. Why pay $22 when I can pay $10?

You can boycott AOL, etc but it won't mean beans to them. We're talking Time Warner here. You are just a flea to them and they don't care.

You can say that again. We had some AOL Execs come to our dealership a year or so ago. What a pompus bunch of a**holes. They went on and on about how big and bad they are, how much business they were going to drive to our website....blah..blah...blah. I almost puked.

OKC .45 ACP
December 30, 2002, 10:54 PM
Don't have it anymore. I'm on Earthlink, but I am switching to Cable modem in two days! Can't wait!

Oh, and btw, Dude, I just got a Dell!
2.8 Ghz, 120 GB drive, DVD/CD Rom burner

This thing is awesome!

Bob

TheOtherOne
December 31, 2002, 12:26 PM
AOL fired three employees back in 2000 for having unloaded guns in their vehicles. See the article included below.

And for anyone that is interested... unfortunately AOL's anti-gun policy prevailed, as the three that were fired did not win their lawsuit. They are in the process of appealing.


http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=827

AOL Fires Gun Owners

by Sarah Thompson, M.D.
Director, Utah Gun Owners Alliance
http://www.UTGOA.org



America Online, http://www.aol.com, has been known to gun owners for some time for their support of anti-gun organizations and policies. They’ve donated large sums of money to liberal, anti-gun Democrat organizations to support people like Dianne Feinstein, Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy.

More recently, they’ve canceled accounts for firearms related web sites on the grounds that such material is no different from “pornography”. Never mind that guns are entirely legal items owned by tens of millions of Americans. Never mind that AOL doesn’t seem to think that disgustingly offensive rock music is a problem.

Now, in another step towards the final elimination of gun owners from “civilized society”, AOL has fired three exemplary workers for having firearms in their cars in order to go shooting at a range on their own time!

The three employees are Luke Hansen, Jason Melling and Paul Carlson. All three worked as “partner technical consultants” at AOL’s Ogden, Utah facility, doing higher level technical support. The Ogden facility employs about 850 people, according to AOL’s web site, and “handles a range of technical, billing, third-party and sales calls”. According to Mr. Hansen, they had worked at AOL for two to four years, and all had good employee records and good reviews from their supervisors. Unfortunately (at least from AOL’s point of view), the three young men also enjoy shooting.

On September 14, 2000, Luke, Jason and Paul met after work in the AOL parking lot to go shooting at the gun range near Eden, Utah. In order to carpool to the range, Jason and Paul transferred their firearms from their own cars to Luke’s truck, a matter of carrying them a few yards. Jason transferred a .30-06 hunting rifle and a 9mm Smith & Wesson handgun. Both firearms were unloaded and in cases. Paul transferred a .45 long Colt “cowboy style” pistol and a 7.63 X .39 KBI. The Colt was in a holster, and both firearms were unloaded. The handguns had trigger locks in place. Luke’s firearms were in his truck and he never touched Jason or Paul’s firearms. At no time did they brandish or handle the firearms in a threatening or unsafe manner. Luke and Paul hold valid Utah concealed weapons permits, and Jason is in the process of obtaining one, so all three are familiar with safe handling and Utah laws.

Although all three of them worked during the subsequent three days, nothing about the firearms was mentioned. However, on Monday, Sept. 18, all three were fired for “violating AOL’s employee policy” which states that firearms are forbidden on company property, including the parking lot. According to Luke, although no one complained, an overzealous security guard saw the firearms on a video surveillance tape and reported the alleged violations.

AOL does have its firearms policy posted inside the front and back doors of the building, stating that firearms are not permitted in the building or in the parking lot, and all three employees were aware of this policy. However, they were also aware that AOL’s policy violates Utah state law. AOL states that it is a “secure facility”, although under Utah law secure facilities can be designated only by the legislature, and include places such as courts, airports, mental health facilities, and prisons. By definition, a place open to the public cannot be a “secure facility”, and AOL’s parking lot is open to the public. (Actually, it’s a group of marked stalls in a public parking lot.) In addition, a secure facility is required to provide locked safe storage for anyone lawfully carrying a firearm, and accept responsibility for stored firearms, something that AOL clearly was not equipped to do.

On a previous occasion about two months ago, the three men had also transferred firearms after work, and had been reported to management. At that time, Luke Hansen met with AOL’s General Manager, Sarah McElwee. At that time, he explained to Ms. McElwee that while AOL might be able to restrict firearms in the building, it could not restrict firearms in a public parking lot, and that AOL did not meet the criteria for a “secure facility”. Mr. Hansen says he thought the matter was resolved at the time, although no written changes were made to AOL’s policy. Ironically, Ms. McElwee’s husband is known for the very fine firearms he makes!

As a result of the firing, Paul is still looking for work. Jason, who has a wife and just bought a new home, has found a new job. So has Luke, who is expecting his first child in February.

It appears that AOL management, and especially Ric Waiters, the AOL manager who fired the three, want to force the issue of illegal, politically correct, gun bans. Fortunately for gun owners everywhere, Luke Hansen, Jason Melling and Paul Carlson are not going to take this lying down! They’re not willing to see their rights, or the rights of any other Utah gun owners destroyed by America Online. So they’ve decided to take on America Online, the 800 lb gorilla of anti-gun corporations.

As Luke wrote in a recent email: “If AOL is allowed to continue with illegal company policies like this, then ALL companies in Utah can adopt similar policies. Your employer can whittle away at your gun rights, and get away with it. The 3 of us have chosen to take a stand, because this is something that we feel very deeply about. We believe that this is truly an issue that affects ALL Utah gun owners and ALL Utah CCW carriers. These aren't just our rights that were violated, they are your rights too.”

The real issue here is whether gun owners are going to be demonized and excluded from participation in ordinary life, whether we’re going to become the last persecuted minority. Remember that most Americans in the “old South” didn’t assault African-Americans; they simply told them they couldn’t work in “white” businesses, attend “white” schools and churches, eat in “white restaurants” or live in “white” neighborhoods. Likewise, the Nazis first told Jews that they couldn’t work in German businesses, attend German schools, or otherwise participate in German society. Once the Jews had been isolated, so that ordinary Germans no longer interacted with them, it was much easier for the Nazis to convince people that Jews were an “inferior race” and a “public health menace”… and that they should be murdered for “the public good”.

If we allow ourselves to be isolated and demonized in the minds of our fellow Americans, then we too will one day find ourselves forbidden to interact with non gun owners. We too will find ourselves unable to find work, to send our children to school, to attend the religious services of our choice, or to eat in restaurants, shop in stores, or attend movies and sporting events. (In addition to this AOL case, there is a ballot initiative circulating to prohibit gun owners from entering schools and religious facilities in Utah.) Eventually we will find ourselves rounded up into concentration camps or stalked by “public servants” seeking to imprison or kill us.

So it’s critically important that we resist each and every attempt to isolate and persecute gun owners NOW – before it’s too late!

Last week, Hansen, Carlson and Melling filed suit against AOL for wrongful termination. They are being represented by James “Mitch” Vilos, a local attorney, firearms dealer, and author of the book Utah Gun Law: Good, Bad and Ugly, available at www.firearmslaw.com. Mitch is also the founder of the Utah Gun Owners Legal Defense (U-GOLD) fund.

AOL has so far refused to comment. Mace Molen, the Director of Human Resources has a message on his phone saying he’s “on vacation” until November 3.

Mr. Vilos believes the three have an excellent chance of winning their lawsuit. Like many freedom-loving states, Utah is a “right to work” or “at will” state, meaning that an employee can be fired at any time. However, Mr. Vilos points out that an employee may NOT be fired if doing so violates public policy. For example an employer may not fire an employee for being Catholic or Asian, because that would violate state and federal anti-discrimination laws.

How does this apply to the AOL case? According to Mr. Vilos, public policy is determined by the state constitution and state statutes.

The Utah Constitution clearly states, in Article I, Section 6: “The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the Legislature from defining the lawful use of arms.” Clearly, Utahns have an indisputable individual right to keep and bear arms.

As noted above, AOL is violating Utah law by declaring its parking lot and building to be a secure facility, since the parking lot is open to the public and AOL does not provide the mandated safe storage.

It is not entirely clear whether or not an employer can restrict firearms in the workplace if the workplace is not open to the public, because Utah statute does not specifically address this issue. However, since a special statute was passed to permit churches to restrict firearms, it would seem that in the absence of such a statute applying to employers, they may not do so. And the Office of Legislative General counsel previously ruled that Governor Leavitt’s ban on firearms for state employees was illegal (although Leavitt still refuses to stop the ban, and our ultra-liberal attorney general isn’t interested).

Public policy in Utah supports the individual possession of firearms, as well as the right to carry firearms for lawful purposes including self-defense, hunting and target shooting. It therefore stands to reason that public policy would support three men who go to a range for the purpose of maintaining and improving their firearms skills. And because Utah has problems with traffic congestion and pollution, public policy supports the use of carpooling. Thus it seems that public policy supports the right of lawful gun owners to keep unloaded firearms in their cars and to carpool in order to use a shooting range on their own time. And as a matter of public policy, employers generally are not permitted to regulate their employees’ legal activities outside of work hours.

Therefore, Luke Hansen, Paul Carlson and Jason Melling are suing AOL for wrongful termination in violation of public policy and asking for declaratory relief. They are also asking for a jury trial, so their case can be judged by ordinary Utahns. And they’re asking for reimbursement of attorney’s fees since this is a matter of clarifying public policy.

By taking such a principled and courageous stand, these three men and their attorney are fighting for the rights of all gun owners against a virulent and well-funded anti-gun behemoth. They deserve the thanks and support of all gun owners.

clem
December 31, 2002, 10:24 PM
Dump them, your system will work better. Also, after you dump them go through your system real well. AOL leaves a lot of fecees in files and such.

TheOtherOne
January 1, 2003, 12:14 PM
For those that decide to cancel their AOL account, you will need to call 1-888-265-8008.

If you call to cancel you should be aware that you will be asked why you are cancelling. Tell the rep it's because the company they work for infringes on their 2nd amendment rights. It may not get pass the person you are speaking with, but everyone counts.

Also, they'll probably offer you free time to try and get you to change your mind and stay.

You may also choose to mail your request to cancel to:
America Online
P.O. Box 1600
Ogden, UT 84402

Or you may fax your request at 801-622-7969.

If you choose to write or fax, please include the nature of your request and primary billing contact's full name, phone number, address, and handwritten signature. Additionally, for account security purposes, please provide ONE of the following:

_ _ -- the primary Billing Contact's AOL screenname
_ _ _ _ or
_ _ -- the last four digits of the current payment method used for this account (for your security, only the last four digits please)
_ _ _ _ or
_ _ -- the answer to your Privacy Question (if you have already established a Privacy Question and Answer).

GinSlinger
January 1, 2003, 01:06 PM
Would recomend using a spyware program such as Lavasoft's Ad-Aware after removing AOL, Compuserve, etc. Heck, I run it every week and find little spy programs. The first time I ran it I found something like 20 programs. Certainly speeded my DSL back up. Good Luck,

GinSlinger

45R
January 2, 2003, 12:59 AM
AO Hell is the devil of IPS. I dumped them a long time ago.
Were else can you go to a chat room and instantly get spammed. Those free discs that they send me make good targets at the range. :)

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