ebay bans legal firearms, but not illegal stuff???


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Zedicus
March 11, 2004, 05:30 PM
Just have a Look, If you advertise anything that those retards at ebay consider a firearm, you get Baned.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2992942119&category=19272

But advertising illegal Drugs is ok???:scrutiny:

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J Miller
March 11, 2004, 05:40 PM
That auction fairly REEKS of a sting operation. Too well done, too slick, and eBay does have rules againsts illegal drugs and other items as well as firearms.

Keep your eye's on it, if it's pulled it is an illegal auction, if it stays, I say it's a sting.

Joe

JamisJockey
March 11, 2004, 05:46 PM
I put "pot" in and got 22,000+ hits
"Bud" gets about 7600
"Weed" 916
I'm sure it would be time consuming to check and verify every single item that is posted for auction. Although maybe a good program could probably automatically flag suspect items?
On top of the ridiculous amount of fraud that goes on, however, it seems that Ebay is actually a monster that is teetering on the verge of being out of control
Oh, and I've spotted auctions for guns before. Emailed one guy and suggested he pull it, got a fairly nasty response that basically said he doesn't care and has sold guns before that ebay never even noticed him selling them.

:uhoh:

CannibalCrowley
March 11, 2004, 05:46 PM
The only way that eBay will know about it is if it's reported. If it bothers you that much, then you should inform them of the listing.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/drugs.html

M1911Owner
March 11, 2004, 06:12 PM
They don't seem to care much if you report stuff either. I reported a guy who was blatently shilling, and nothing at all happened.

71Commander
March 11, 2004, 06:19 PM
I reported a guy for selling a complete receiver and they allowed the auction to go forward until completion.:cuss:

TarpleyG
March 11, 2004, 06:39 PM
I tried to sell a couple of older satellite access cards that were legal mind you and they pulled my auctions twice. Meanwhile, there are several others with the exact same type of card for sale up there.

Bunch of idiots!!!

GT

BIGBORESNUB
March 11, 2004, 07:23 PM
I f all gunowners quit selling on ebay 'no matter what the items we were selling'' for 1 month they would crawl back to us:D Same with paypal:cuss:

Amish_Bill
March 11, 2004, 07:45 PM
Four feedback points from last year, and two open auctions this year... Hmm...

Interesting question - aren't seeds/personal quantities legal in Canada?

Sportcat
March 11, 2004, 07:58 PM
They pulled a 10-round Kel-tec P32 magazine I listed in just under 7 hours!!!

Probably because I said it would give your Kel-tec 10+1 firepower. :banghead:

Moparmike
March 11, 2004, 09:56 PM
Actually, seeds are perfectly legal. Its their product that is strictly verboten.


Someone tell me how that works.:scrutiny:

entropy
March 11, 2004, 10:42 PM
I reported it to Ebay (FWIW), they'll probably do nothing. I also reported it to the Vancouver BC Police, mentioning that even if selling the seeds isn't illegal, that big 'ol bush they're on probably is.:D That's about all any of us can do, and hope it will be acted on.

Nick1911
March 11, 2004, 11:33 PM
Actually, seeds are perfectly legal. Its their product that is strictly verboten.

Just curious, do you have any sources for that? It just seems tooo screwy...
Nick

71Commander
March 12, 2004, 04:31 AM
I also reported it to the Vancouver BC Police


Now I have no chance of winning the auction.:mad:

c_yeager
March 12, 2004, 05:39 AM
The seeds may be very well legal. but, read between the lines on this particular quote from the auction.

To show our appriciation for your business, we will include your seeds with 1/8lb of our special coffee.

Yep, coffee.

repsychler
March 12, 2004, 07:39 AM
Well, it probably really is coffee. I believe the idea being the scent would throw off any dogs that may happen to sniff the package.

c_yeager
March 12, 2004, 08:45 AM
Well, it probably really is coffee. I believe the idea being the scent would throw off any dogs that may happen to sniff the package.

Pretty lame idea if it is.

Diggler
March 12, 2004, 09:06 AM
You can't throw off a dog's scent. They don't smell chili, they smell meat, chili powder, beans, tomato, etc. That's why they are so good at what they do.

BTW, does it come with Doritos and Twinkies?? :p

repsychler
March 12, 2004, 09:33 AM
Not saying it would work (I don't think it would) but I bet that's the idea behind it.

c_yeager
March 12, 2004, 09:56 AM
just FYI 1/8th is a pretty random amount when associated with COFFEE. But it is a common quantity when it comes to grass. Thats what tipped me off to the idea.

captlid
March 12, 2004, 06:18 PM
I would think technology is a HUGE contributor to freedom, so why people still insist REPORTING someone to the police for the selling of a gun part, (especially inside the usa and on this board) is beyond me. :banghead:

Mizzoutiger
March 12, 2004, 07:12 PM
They oughta have themselves a huge glass of Haterade!

Buncha haters. Just turning them in because they like watching others get busted. Or they agree with Ebay's policies, which I doubt :rolleyes:

Guns that is... not dope.

MicroBalrog
March 12, 2004, 08:33 PM
Guns that is... not dope.


Circular firing squad...

c_yeager
March 12, 2004, 11:25 PM
I wouldnt turn in an auction for EITHER guns OR grass.

If people can circumvent the silly rules that surround these things then MORE POWER TO THEM. Now if someone had an auction that resulted in someone getting hurt (human organs???) then MAYBE i would say something. I don't consider this stuff to be my buisiness though. But, it is interesting to see what Ebay catches and what they dont.

71Commander
March 13, 2004, 07:02 AM
Call me what you will for informing ebay about a receiver be sold, but it is this kind of dealing that give the anti's their ammunition about rogue firearm dealings. This is about more than just dropping a dime on someone for petty jealousy. I can see the headlines now, "Ebay allows guns to be sold to anyone without a license."

Those of you who have disapproved with my actions don't realize this, then there is no explaining it to you, you'll never get it.:confused:

BryanP
March 13, 2004, 07:11 AM
Actually, seeds are perfectly legal. Its their product that is strictly verboten.

Someone tell me how that works.

Sheet metal, bar stock and machine shop tools are perfectly legal. As soon as you create a full-auto AK-47 out of those parts and tools you have broken the law.

Mind you, I think either making an AK or growing your own Marijuana should be legal.

MicroBalrog
March 13, 2004, 07:22 AM
Call me what you will for informing ebay about a receiver be sold, but it is this kind of dealing that give the anti's their ammunition about rogue firearm dealings. This is about more than just dropping a dime on someone for petty jealousy. I can see the headlines now, "Ebay allows guns to be sold to anyone without a license."

Oh, so it's not only jealousy; it's fear, too.

I am sorry, I am not an informer. Never had there been an informer in my family, nor ever shall ther be.

Mizzoutiger
March 14, 2004, 02:31 PM
If the gun transfers are legal, who gives a crap? Guns are already auctioned off on many other sites.
The transfer of dope, on the other hand, would be illegal, so it would be your civic duty to drop the dime.
There is a difference between following laws, and following Ebay policy.

MicroBalrog
March 14, 2004, 03:09 PM
Mizzoutiger - AGAIN, nobody has a moral duty to obey the law.

Gewehr98
March 14, 2004, 04:00 PM
I reported it to Ebay (FWIW), they'll probably do nothing. I also reported it to the Vancouver BC Police, mentioning that even if selling the seeds isn't illegal, that big 'ol bush they're on probably is. That's about all any of us can do, and hope it will be acted on.

Especially if marijuana seeds are perfectly legal in Vancouver, British Columbia. :rolleyes:

Mizzoutiger
March 14, 2004, 04:54 PM
Roger that Balrog.
Notice I didn't say "moral" duty.
I am not for drug laws... don't confuse what I am trying to say.
As far as the law is concerned, gun auctions on Ebay are legit. It is Ebay that has put a regulation against it.
Selling dope on Ebay is not legit. It is also against Ebay regulations.
My issue is with people dropping the dime on these fellows. However, I cannot blame people for reporting the illegal transfer of controlled substances.
For as much as I don't agree with the law... it is there.

DFBonnett
March 14, 2004, 06:25 PM
The hypocrisy of Ebay is astounding. It seemingly is their philosophy that you may "pack fudge" but not a gun.

Ryder
March 14, 2004, 10:36 PM
Canada (perhaps only certain parts of Canada?) distinguishes a difference between hemp and marijuana. There's a big annual hemp festival across the border from me. Smoke all the hemp you want you're only going to get a sore throat. Cops do patrol the festival looking for marijuana users.

Sorta like non-alcoholic wine, it's legal to serve your kids.

swingset
March 15, 2004, 02:52 AM
Call me what you will for informing ebay about a receiver be sold, but it is this kind of dealing that give the anti's their ammunition about rogue firearm dealings. This is about more than just dropping a dime on someone for petty jealousy. I can see the headlines now, "Ebay allows guns to be sold to anyone without a license."

Nazi.

71Commander
March 15, 2004, 03:45 AM
Nazi.

Uncalled for.

Because we have a different opinon on the subject.

c_yeager
March 15, 2004, 05:37 AM
[There's a big annual hemp festival across the border from me. Smoke all the hemp you want you're only going to get a sore throat. Cops do patrol the festival looking for marijuana users.

We have one in the middle of downtown Seattle as well. Only the cops DONT patrol looking for smokers. If they catch you SELLING your busted though. I worked the gate at it one year (a friend of mine ran their security) and we were instructed that ONLY weapons, glass bottles, and ALCOHOL were to be turned away (wink wink). Never going to work it again though. Potheads tend to smell REALLY bad.

MicroBalrog
March 15, 2004, 05:07 PM
Smoke all the hemp you want you're only going to get a sore throat.

Not what Britannica says.

Brad Johnson
March 16, 2004, 02:26 PM
Hemp is to marijuana what the poppy seeds on your breakfast muffin are to opium poppies. Take a bit of time and research it.

The psychoactive ingredient in marijuana (delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol) is found in such minute quantities in industrial hemp that:

A) You could smoke yourself silly and never get enough of it in your bloodstream to render any measurable effect.

B) Extraction of quantities significant enough for processing would be so horrendously expensive, even with modern methods, that there would be no commercial viability (even for illegal use where it would end up being several hundred times more expensive than even the most expensive illegal drugs).

You can find more information here. (http://www.gametec.com/hemp/hemp.mj.html)

The fact is that industrial hemp is a great, low-cost industrial resource with an almost unlimited number of uses. At one time, it was even a big cash crop here in the U.S., and still is in many other countries. Too bad that it's been demonized by ignorant people too dumb to do even a simple internet search on the subject.

Brad

QuarterBoreGunner
March 16, 2004, 03:10 PM
'Nazi'?

Seriously uncalled for swingset; AND you just invoked Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law), though I doubt you know it.


edited to fix link -- pax

c_yeager
March 16, 2004, 08:18 PM
The fact is that industrial hemp is a great, low-cost industrial resource with an almost unlimited number of uses. At one time, it was even a big cash crop here in the U.S., and still is in many other countries. Too bad that it's been demonized by ignorant people too dumb to do even a simple internet search on the subject.

I love it when people bring this up. It's interesting to note that the ONLY attempt in recent history in North America to grow hemp in commercial quantities resulted in a WHOLE lot of bankrupt farmers. The fact is that virtually everything that WAS made with hemp can now be made better with something else.

Something that your article DOESNT point out is that hemp and cannibus are IDENTICAL in appearance. The only way to tell the difference is a chemical test for THC. So, if i am a "hemp farmer" it's REAL hard for the inspectors to tell if i MAYBE mix a few cannibus plants in among my rows. And in Canada where Marijuana regulation is so lax they hardly ever check or even care.

Kooter
March 17, 2004, 03:34 AM
if you don't like what someone is selling, then don't buy it, and move on. mind your own business for goodness sake. i don't understand why someone would think that it is their resposibility to tell on other people. i thought most people grew out of that stage in the third grade. if ebay has a policy against people selling (whatever item). then let them police themselves. don't go and tattle tale on someone. it is none of your business!!

Call me what you will for informing ebay about a receiver be sold, but it is this kind of dealing that give the anti's their ammunition about rogue firearm dealings. This is about more than just dropping a dime on someone for petty jealousy. I can see the headlines now, "Ebay allows guns to be sold to anyone without a license."


as stated above, just cause ebay doesn't approve of this, doesn't make it illegal. as long as the people involved follow proper procedures ie: go through FFLs, then what is the problem?

Brad Johnson
March 17, 2004, 01:26 PM
Something that your article DOESNT point out is that hemp and cannibus are IDENTICAL in appearance. The only way to tell the difference is a chemical test for THC. So, if i am a "hemp farmer" it's REAL hard for the inspectors to tell if i MAYBE mix a few cannibus plants in among my rows. And in Canada where Marijuana regulation is so lax they hardly ever check or even care.

Apparently you didn't read the paper, as it covers this very subject. Also, the reason that hemp farmers (some 400,000 of them in this country at one point) went bankrupt is because politicians passed a unilateral ban on hemp without consideration of the facts. These farmers, who had done nothing wrong, suddenly found themselves in the position of being a "paper felon". Plus, your reply sounds like you are advocating banning something because of how it looks, not what it does.

Sound familiar?

Brad

c_yeager
March 17, 2004, 02:35 PM
Brad, i was speaking about Hemp farmers in CANADA where it is perfectly legal to grow hemp. They went bankrupt because they couldnt sell their product.

clipse
March 17, 2004, 02:54 PM
WOW!!! AK47 seeds.:D You can grow your own AK47.

AK47 seeds auction. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2232307580&category=26425)

71Commander
March 17, 2004, 03:37 PM
just cause ebay doesn't approve of this, doesn't make it illegal. as long as the people involved follow proper procedures ie: go through FFLs, then what is the problem?
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In this auction, FFL not requested, or even mentioned.

It was a complete receiver that required documentation. These kind of deals are what the Million Mommers are looking for. We don't need that kind of publicity.:cuss:

Quartus
March 17, 2004, 04:43 PM
Drug dealers know this.



Some drug dealers know this. Many are indescribably stupid.

carpettbaggerr
March 17, 2004, 10:48 PM
You can grow your own AK47. Is that a vine or a tree? How much space will it require? :p

Don Gwinn
March 17, 2004, 11:18 PM
The Nazi comments were way over the top. I THINK Swingset was joking, a play on "call me what you want, but." At least I hope so.

Around here, drug dealers tend to set themselves on fire. That's always been on my list of stupidity criteria (I have never set myself on fire.)

Is it really that impossible to cover a scent and fool a dog? Works on deer.


Is any of this on topic anymore? ;)

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