Sitting there, and my anti-gun friend asked me...


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Chris-bob
February 24, 2013, 09:19 PM
As the title says, I was sitting there in church today and my Democrat belonging, Obama loving, gun control supporting friend comes up to me and asks me a question. 'If I were to go buy a handgun, what should I get?' Well, to make a long story short, this friend of mine that trains judges grew up shooting guns only occasionally. Now he doesn't like the way things look and is anxious to buy a handgun ASAP.

I applaude his desire to own a firearm(finally) and hope that this means some of his anti-gun stances are eroding. Time will tell. At least he has never stopped me from taking his boys out to the range.

Oh yeah, I recommended a .357 mag. He's a little guy, no more than 5'6" and 150 lbs.

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Chris-bob
February 24, 2013, 09:20 PM
Can't wait to start going to the range with his boys AND him.:D

MarshallDodge
February 24, 2013, 09:23 PM
Excellent.

Next step is a good defensive pistol class.

Grmlin
February 24, 2013, 09:28 PM
Make sure he starts with .38 SPL, do not let him start with .357. You want to make sure he doesn't get gun shy out of the gate.

preachnhunt
February 24, 2013, 09:31 PM
Good job! One at a time.

Chris-bob
February 24, 2013, 09:36 PM
Yeah, as I was telling him the whys of the .357 regarding the .38, a freedom loving friend walked up(he must have realized firearms were being discussed from across the room) and chimed in, mirroring what I had said. So now I just wait and see what he decides to get. I gave him a few pointers regarding the LGSs.

gp911
February 24, 2013, 09:41 PM
Take him to the range to try some guns, otherwise he might just drop money on a scandium .357 and a box of 180 grain loads and get turned off of guns. Let him try a few guns out and then turn him loose to buy his own gun afterward if he wants.

76shuvlinoff
February 24, 2013, 09:42 PM
IMHO if going .357 start him on something with some heft to it and as mentioned above start with .38s.

My wife was not anti gun she was just not a shooter. She detests my complicated, hot brass flinging, bottom feeders. A beater, 4 inch Taurus .38 changed things for her and now her bedside choice is a 4" stainless .357 SP101 that we both feel confident about.

MedWheeler
February 24, 2013, 10:28 PM
You didn't suggest an AR-15 instead, with hundred round clips and a shoulder thing that goes up? :evil:

Seriously, this looks good for you and him (and anyone he's been talking to.)

Grassman
February 24, 2013, 10:38 PM
Yet he voted for the scum obama. Isn't that just neat.:fire:

Screamin'Eagle
February 24, 2013, 10:42 PM
Just as you should work your way up in caliber with a new shooter, you have to have the same attitude concerning styles of guns. Especially when they are on the fence or apprehensive. Once you get them to shoot more "culturally accepted" firearms like revolvers, bolt action rifles, pump shotguns, etc and they start to comprehend the notion that a gun is an inanimate object, you'll have an easier time getting them to realize that semi automatic sporting rifles are much the same as the others they have fired and are to be respected, but not feared.

jamesbeat
February 24, 2013, 10:49 PM
Yet he voted for the scum obama. Isn't that just neat.:fire:
Maybe he won't next time, guns have a way of making single-issue voters out of people.
Bravo to the OP, and I hope your friend enjoys his new gun.

BullfrogKen
February 24, 2013, 10:56 PM
I've been seeing a lot of that going on, too.


Of course he won't find much ammo for it for a while.

Ms_Dragon
February 24, 2013, 11:03 PM
I hope his wife comes along as well. You guys can't have all the fun now!

Skylerbone
February 24, 2013, 11:07 PM
Too bad .22 is so hard to come by, it would have been my suggestion, especially for a new shooter with boys who like to shoot.

justice06rr
February 24, 2013, 11:07 PM
Be sure to help him out find some ammo too!

zxcvbob
February 24, 2013, 11:15 PM
A 4" steel-framed .357 magnum or .38 Special (everybody should have one), and a box or two of .38 Special 148 grain wadcutters (that's actually decent for self-defense, as well as "training-wheels" ammo)

Chris-bob
February 25, 2013, 01:12 AM
A 4" steel-framed .357 magnum or .38 Special (everybody should have one), and a box or two of .38 Special 148 grain wadcutters (that's actually decent for self-defense, as well as "training-wheels" ammo)
Exactly what I told him. A 4" steel frame. That gives him the option of almost no recoil from .38 and easily handled recoil from .357. I mentioned to him that he probably wouldn't want a 2" because of the increased felt recoil, and a 6"+ would be too big to effectively carry around(based on his size and my experience with 2,4 & 6" barreled .357s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grassman
Yet he voted for the scum obama. Isn't that just neat.
Maybe he won't next time, guns have a way of making single-issue voters out of people.

He voted for the guy both times...

But we do have plans to go shooting mid March. So I will let him shoot some of my handguns and rifles and see what he thinks. I think slow and easy is the way to go here.

Cesiumsponge
February 25, 2013, 02:09 AM
Remember all the liberals in CA who were raging pissed at the waiting periods they championed into law for handguns during the LA riots, when they were lining up out the doors trying to buy handguns? Many of those guys sold the guns back after the riots were over at a huge loss, or the gun sits rusting away on some closet shelf. They went right back into hating private gun ownership. I doubt that little event in history really changed their minds.

Just because someone shows interest in buying a gun doesn't mean they support gun ownership. People are funny like that and they can make contradictory ideas like that work in their minds. I'm a pessimist at a lot of these "new leaf" types popping up all over.

Tommygunn
February 25, 2013, 10:57 AM
Yet he voted for the scum obama. Isn't that just neat.

Maybe he won't next time, guns have a way of making single-issue voters out of people.
Bravo to the OP, and I hope your friend enjoys his new gun.

Oh, he won't vote for Obama again, that's a certainty -- Obama has had his two shots at the oval office.
The question is; who WILL he vote for in 2016?

hso
February 25, 2013, 11:51 AM
The best thing to do is find out what he points instead of telling him what he should get.

If he doesn't turn into a multi-caliber multi-firearm owner like many of us he should start with what fits him best and that may or may not be a revolver. He needs to handle enough different handguns to find out what fits him and what is most comfortable and points the most naturally before plunking down his money. That may be a 686 or a Glock or CZ 75 or a 1911 or a Sig. It might be a Ruger. The point being that he needs to find his gun.

rondog
February 25, 2013, 11:54 AM
Good for you! And him! My suggestion would be for you to offer to go with him, if possible, to help him find something. Pickin's may be slim, and he could probably use an experienced guide.

tyeo098
February 25, 2013, 11:55 AM
A wonder 9 works great as well. (CZ75, 92FS, etc)
Not a lot of recoil.

Deer_Freak
February 25, 2013, 12:28 PM
My wife is a lot smaller than the guy the OP spoke of. Yet, her idea of stress relief is to take my Ruger Blackhawk to a range and shoot up a box of 125 gr 357 ammo. I don't think your friend will be overwhelmed by a 357 mag.

What makes it hard on people that start shooting as adults is they skip the formative stage of learning to shoot. When teaching a teenager to shoot traditionally everyone starts with a 22 rifle or a 20 ga shotgun. By the time the kid is 18 and has a real need for self defense they pick up a handgun and use it like it was second nature. But when adults learn to shoot they jump right on a handgun, the most difficult weapon to master. This logic makes no sense at all to me.

Texshooter
February 25, 2013, 12:59 PM
Obviously, you informed him he has to join the NRA first.

Right - right?:D

mljdeckard
February 25, 2013, 01:04 PM
I recently had a similar experience. An ex-girlfriend who swore to me that she would rather die than take someone else's life, even to protect her children, just asked me for a concealed carry class.

browneu
February 25, 2013, 02:23 PM
Obviously, you informed him he has to join the NRA first.

Right - right?:D

Perhaps he should get his friend a yearly membership as a gift?

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browneu
February 25, 2013, 02:25 PM
op he should get something that he likes and fits his hand well. Otherwise he may get frustrated with shooting and quit.

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soonerfan85
February 25, 2013, 03:38 PM
I can't believe you didn't tell him to buy a Taurus Judge so he could shoot shotgun shells off his balcony to scare off the bad guys.

I think .357 is still a great choice for most situations. Proven stopping power in a simple to operate platform. Start firing a short barreled .357 in their direction and most bad guys will be running in the opposite direction long before you empty the revolver.

460Kodiak
February 25, 2013, 04:03 PM
good suggestion

matrem
February 25, 2013, 04:26 PM
That's excellent Chris.
That mentality amongst dems seems to be spreading in my neck of the woods as well.
A .38/.357 is great advice, unless, like a lot of folks I know, he shoots pistols markedly better than revolvers.
As mentioned, do your best to equip him with as many as you can, then let him choose what he's most comfortable with.
Again: Excellent, we all should be doing every bit we're able to along those same lines.

76shuvlinoff
February 25, 2013, 06:55 PM
I hope it all works out.

More than that I hope he doesn't become a closet shooter and keep it a secret from his left leaning friends.


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danez71
February 25, 2013, 07:11 PM
I recently had a similar experience. An ex-girlfriend who swore to me that she would rather die than take someone else's life, even to protect her children, just asked me for a concealed carry class.

I'll never understand that. To put a scum bags life a head of your own kids is :barf:

At least she seems to be coming around. :)

steelerdude99
February 25, 2013, 07:13 PM
Make sure he starts with .38 SPL, do not let him start with .357. You want to make sure he doesn't get gun shy out of the gate.

Grmlin, I second that recommendation. Remember, you are most likely not going to have hearing protection when it suddenly becomes necessary to use a firearm.

chuck

Buck13
February 25, 2013, 11:36 PM
An ex-girlfriend who swore to me that she would rather die than take someone else's life, even to protect her children,

Did she say that before or after she actualy had kids?

IndianaBoy
February 25, 2013, 11:56 PM
Be sure and explain to him why he can't find ammo, or has to pay out the nose for it.

Soldiernurse
February 26, 2013, 12:08 AM
Gen 4 Glock 19 should be a strong consideration, IMO.

mljdeckard
February 26, 2013, 12:11 AM
Oh, she said it before. Now she has several.

bannockburn
February 26, 2013, 07:37 AM
Just had an aquaintance of mine (liberal Democrat and voted for Obama in both presidential elections), mention to me he couldn't find any 9mm. for his CCW! Hearing him talk about politics over the years I never figured him to be a gun owner let alone to have a CCW license for that matter.

Very interesting turn of events.

Fremmer
February 26, 2013, 09:58 AM
Yup good job on being a good friend and have fun shooting with him!

Mayvik
February 26, 2013, 10:44 AM
I pretty much always recommend a medium-large frame 357, unless I know someone is going to want to carry it and won't do so based on size/weight, then I'll go 38 J-frame (or equivalent). While the "wonder" 9/40s or any other semi autos have their place, I just don't see casual owners practicing failure drills enough or buying a couple hundred rounds of their carry ammo to test for reliability to be comfortable recommending one. Both of those problems are more or less non-issues on a revolver.

Another nice side-effect is if he decides that just a handgun isn't enough, there are a plethora of "non-scary" leverguns in 357/38 available.

Fremmer
February 26, 2013, 11:11 AM
Lol @ sooner...
Don't you know that you don't "need" more than 2 shots off the balcony?

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