Deceptive on gunbroker?


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breakingcontact
February 26, 2013, 12:38 AM
Why are people posting images with multiple items (say 4 magazines) when the auction is only for one?

I'm pretty computer savvy, but I can easily see how this could confuse some into thinking they are buying 4 magazines while the auction is only for one.

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BigBore44
February 26, 2013, 12:42 AM
You answered your own question. Unfortunately this happens everyday. You have to really pay close attention.

Spymaster
February 26, 2013, 12:43 AM
Why are people posting images with multiple items (say 4 magazines) when the auction is only for one?

I'm pretty computer savvy, but I can easily see how this could confuse some into thinking they are buying 4 magazines while the auction is only for one.
Its all part of a secret conspiracy to dupe you...

Impureclient
February 26, 2013, 12:56 AM
Why are people posting images with multiple items

Because they are filthy liars who are trying to steal your money.

Spymaster
February 26, 2013, 01:11 AM
Because they are filthy liars who are trying to steal your money.
Let me guess, you don't have any ammo, and its somebody elses fault isn't it?

Certaindeaf
February 26, 2013, 01:17 AM
All eighteen year old cheerleaders are sixty year old plumbers too.

MachIVshooter
February 26, 2013, 02:07 AM
While auctions are always caveat emptor, I would agree that showing a picture of a larger quantity of something or other items that won't be included, then mentioning the actual quantity or list of included items in a small subtext at the bottom of the ad is pretty unscrupulous.

Personally, I think GB needs to revisit their policy, and either be clear that the exact item description must be in the headline, or the picture must be 100% representative. Otherwise, their gonna end up with a bad rap over such conniving auctions.

Bobson
February 26, 2013, 02:14 AM
While auctions are always caveat emptor, I would agree that showing a picture of a larger quantity of something or other items that won't be included, then mentioning the actual quantity or list of included items in a small subtext at the bottom of the ad is pretty unscrupulous.

Personally, I think GB needs to revisit their policy, and either be clear that the exact item description must be in the headline, or the picture must be 100% representative. Otherwise, their gonna end up with a bad rap over such conniving auctions.
I've never used GB to bid or buy, but I agree. That's a straight-shooter policy if ever there was one. No pun intended.

sidheshooter
February 26, 2013, 02:21 AM
I agree. Depict what you're selling, straight up; no BS.

Jed Carter
February 26, 2013, 04:51 AM
The real shame is they are asking $49-$55 for one P-Mag, if I was asking that kind of price I would have a photo with 4 magazines too.

RetiredUSNChief
February 26, 2013, 06:00 AM
On a side note, this is exactly the kind I look for before bidding on GB. (Non-representative photos, unfocused pictures, lack of close up details, etc.)

I haven't actually bought anything on GB yet, because I've been outbid on everything I've bid on so far. (I establish the maximum I'm willing to bid before I place my first bid and refuse to get emotionally caught up in the bidding wars that may ensue.)

I've watched a lot of auctions for identical things on that site, and I've noticed that the ones that go the highest are precisely those that do a darned good job of photodocumenting their item very clearly and in great detail.

In today's day and age, it's utterly incomprehensable to me why people cannot take plenty of good digital photos to document the exact condition of their product for internet sales. Anybody who is too lazy, or unscrupulous, to do this simply doesn't get a minute of my time.

So I strongly suspect that many other bidders comb through the chaff in much the same way I do. Very likely, this is why the items thoroughly documented with good photos continue to grab the higher bids.

So, instead of being upset, or frustrated, by this, silently thank these people for helping you weed out undesirables.

;)

oneounceload
February 26, 2013, 06:09 AM
Are you sure it wasn't a Dutch auction where you bid on a per item basis, but can buy one or more of the item? I have seen that many times on the various auction sites, especially when it comes to magazines. The seller may have 100 of them, you bid on the price for one, but if you win, you can buy 1 or 100 or somewhere in between at the per item price

Torian
February 26, 2013, 08:38 AM
I've been on gunbroker for over 10 years, and as a rule, I refuse to purchase from any seller that does the following:

1. Provides no pics at all of item
2. Provides generic image of item instead of actual
3. Provides misleading or inaccurate pictures that differ from item description

Sav .250
February 26, 2013, 08:43 AM
Example........from GunBroker?

oneounceload
February 26, 2013, 08:47 AM
Many folks selling new stock do use a generic stock photo from a maker, but they also state that in the ad

mjw930
February 26, 2013, 08:53 AM
Since this is a GB complaint thread I'll add that I've run into a couple instances where companies are posting auctions for items they don't actually have in stock. I used a buy it now option for a simple 7 round P238 magazine and after questioning them one week later why it hadn't shipped they informed me it was backordered. They did allow me to cancel and after another week finally credited my ccard.

LG-Outdoors, do business with them at your own risk.......

beatledog7
February 26, 2013, 09:04 AM
There's no requirement that the picture be "accurate" as long as there's something in the text that clarifies anything the picture might imply. There's no requirement for a picture at all. So the buyer must read the text. That's what matters.

BSA1
February 26, 2013, 09:13 AM
"Let the buyer beware" is always the best advice.

When in doubt simply click on "Ask seller a question".

The way the description of the item is listed may make perfect sense to the seller and maybe even 90% of other viewers but if you are not sure what you are bidding on just click on the "Ask seller a question" link.

There is a firearm on Gunbroker that I sent a message to the seller two days ago asking for more information. In fact I have been looking for a particular firearm like this for a long time but the seller has not answered my message and the listing which is ending in a few hours now finally has one bid. However it will not be getting a bid from me.

Bottom line is although the seller has a A+ rating I will not purchase anything until all of my questions have been answered so I will not be negatively surprised if I win the auction.

buck460XVR
February 26, 2013, 09:26 AM
Why are people posting images with multiple items (say 4 magazines) when the auction is only for one?



Odds are, oneounceload answered your question. While you may be bidding for one, you may also have the option to buy all 4 at the price you bid. Or you can buy one or more at the "buy it now!" price. If the seller clearly states that the bidding is for one mag, I see no misrepresentation.

sleepyone
February 26, 2013, 10:37 AM
it sounds like all the threads condemning the evil ammo hoarders and price gougers have been beat into the ground, thank goodness, and now we are moving on to the evil auction sites.

You have to be on your toes when buying guns, ammo or anything from an online source whether it be eBay, Gunbroker, Craig's List, Guns America, etc... There are always going to be unscrupulus and shady characters even in the best of times. When a crisis or panic occurs, you will see even more. Plus you will see the honest people who are just trying to maximize their profits in times like these get lumped in with the undesirables.

gotzero
February 26, 2013, 11:23 AM
There are some "confusing" listings on gunbroker, but not all of them are always the fault of the seller.

For instance, there is an auction right now where "80% lower" is listed in the title and description, and only 80% lowers are shown in the picture. However, this lower has markings and a serial number (not sure how that works) and there are pictures of multiple lowers because they are in different stages of anodizing and paint and have different serials.

Based on the current $405 bid for one in the raw, serialized, 80% lower, I can only assume that the winning bidder is going to be disappointed expecting a functioning lower. I also cannot help but wonder if this is how the "you can buy guns on the internet and have them shipped to your house with no background check" stuff gets started.

VegasAR15
February 26, 2013, 11:41 AM
Sometimes it's just because its easier. I had only one picture of my pmags when I put them up for auction. I did an auction for one pmag and used the one picture I had. The FIRST word in the title was ONE(1), and it said the same thing as the first word of the description. If you miss that then you deserve it.

I also have up M1 carbine mags on there right now, they are new manufactured mags so they are all identical. I have a couple good pictures of one magazine on the auction and the auction is for five magazines. I guess it should be assumed that the winning bidder will be stunned and amazed at my generosity when he receives five magazines instead of the one pictured.

breakingcontact
February 26, 2013, 01:30 PM
VegasAR15- sounds like you're drawing attention to the quantity if it differs from the pic. Good on you.

I didn't realize using stock photos wasn't cool but that makes sense. I'd rather see the actual item I'm buying too. But in a stock photo at least the quantity is correct.

Spymaster
February 26, 2013, 04:34 PM
The real shame is they are asking $49-$55 for one P-Mag, if I was asking that kind of price I would have a photo with 4 magazines too.
You are obviously very young, too young to remember the original AWB, when simple Glock magazines soared from $15.00 to $150.00 per mag! So with all due respect, quit the whining, because $50.00 Pmags are a steal by way of comparison.

Akita1
February 26, 2013, 05:07 PM
Since this is a GB complaint thread I'll add that I've run into a couple instances where companies are posting auctions for items they don't actually have in stock. I used a buy it now option for a simple 7 round P238 magazine and after questioning them one week later why it hadn't shipped they informed me it was backordered. They did allow me to cancel and after another week finally credited my ccard.

LG-Outdoors, do business with them at your own risk.......
LOVE my new P238; got a 7-round mag on GB too from Independence Firearms in TX. It's become my full time CCW.

Akita1
February 26, 2013, 05:11 PM
May be stating the obvious here but best practice on GB is to buy from regular merchants who've been there a while and have tons of feedback with 100% positive - greatly lowers your risk. I have used GB about 20 times, mostly for stuff I can't get around here. I have only had a problem once, from a buyer who purchased a couple of 30-rnd mags from me (no, I didn't gouge) and was refusing to pay shipping charges, sent threatening emails, etc. Killed him with kindness and he acquiesced but otherwise all buys/sales without a hitch.

silicosys4
February 26, 2013, 05:56 PM
Wow, people being deceptive on gunbroker with absolutely no gunbroker oversight?

say it aint so.

45_auto
February 26, 2013, 06:23 PM
Wow, people being deceptive on gunbroker with absolutely no gunbroker oversight?

say it aint so.

Sounds like someone thinks they need mommy/big brother watching over them all the time so nothing bad happens to them. What kind of fees do you believe Gunbroker would have to charge to have a full-time staff supervising millions of ads?

I'm capable of handling my own affairs, over the internet or in person. You can keep your "oversight". Or maybe you can get Feinstein to pass a law protecting you from the nasty sellers, and that will solve all your problems!

crankyoldlady
February 26, 2013, 06:47 PM
Read the description. Read it again. Confused? Ask seller. If seller does not answer question, Find a new seller.

The person who does not read is no better off than the person who cannot read.

Torian
February 26, 2013, 07:24 PM
Many folks selling new stock do use a generic stock photo from a maker, but they also state that in the ad
My experience is that service starts to suffer once they start doing that type of volume on gunbroker. If you don't have time to take an actual picture of the 1000.00 firearm you are selling me, I don't really want to take the time to do business with you. Just a personal preference. I like low-medium volume sellers with an established history of happy buyers.

Ninety9Soulz
February 26, 2013, 08:09 PM
The tactic I hate on there is say you search for a Glock 19, you then run across multiple ads for XD's with "NOT a Glock 19" in the title....Gotta do what you gotta do I guess..

exbrit49
February 26, 2013, 09:03 PM
Think Caveat Emptor says it all!!:banghead:

plodder
February 26, 2013, 09:38 PM
The tactic I hate on there is say you search for a Glock 19, you then run across multiple ads for XD's with "NOT a Glock 19" in the title....Gotta do what you gotta do I guess..

+1 to that. Just tell me what you have for sale, not what you don't.

Torian
February 26, 2013, 09:44 PM
You are obviously very young, too young to remember the original AWB, when simple Glock magazines soared from $15.00 to $150.00 per mag! So with all due respect, quit the whining, because $50.00 Pmags are a steal by way of comparison.
I'm old enough to remember, and I'm not sure that is the fairest comparison. All the high mag prices we were paying back then, including yours truly for hi capacity drop free glock mags, were AFTER the magazine ban went into effect, when there were a fixed number of mags available for civilian purchase.

There will likely be NO federal assault weapons ban, but that doesn't mean politicians aren't partially responsible for feeding the fear by introducing ridiculous gun control bills. I'd say they share half the blame; the other half are those speculators who are capitalizing on the fear in the market by hiking up their prices.

breakingcontact
February 26, 2013, 11:21 PM
The whole "buyer beware" thing is as worn out as the response to price gouging..."its supply and demand".

Of course...we all must recognize the basic truths of economics.

And people should also not be jerks to one another in commerce. I'm not calling for the US Marshalls to investigate or even gunbroker to change their policies. Its just another example of people in the gun/gun stuff trade being shady to their customers. I don't know why people put up with it no more than I understand how people continue to visit abusive gun shops as if they suffer from Stockholm syndrome.

silicosys4
February 27, 2013, 12:09 AM
Sounds like someone thinks they need mommy/big brother watching over them all the time so nothing bad happens to them. What kind of fees do you believe Gunbroker would have to charge to have a full-time staff supervising millions of ads?

I'm capable of handling my own affairs, over the internet or in person. You can keep your "oversight". Or maybe you can get Feinstein to pass a law protecting you from the nasty sellers, and that will solve all your problems!

You're freakin kidding me, right?
How about you keep your own ASSumptions to yourself, and allow that MANY others have had negative experiences directly related to the rampant misinformation and lack of buyer protection that goes on with gunbroker constantly, and the lack of concern that Gunbroker shows for this activity, as evidence by their Better Business Bureau rating of F

http://www.bbb.org/atlanta/business-reviews/internet-marketing-services/gunbrokercom-in-kennesaw-ga-6004874

I mean, my gosh, how socialist of me to criticize the practices that have earned them an F rating, and suggest that they have more oversight in auctions that they make money from hosting, to protect buyers from fraud.
The "buyer beware" business model ended in the 19th century.

bill3424
February 27, 2013, 12:25 AM
Sometimes I take pics and later down the road I decide I don't want to sell the optic or grip or whatever. I make completely sure that it's noted in the ad description. Reading is fundamental.

Br
February 27, 2013, 12:39 AM
The tactic I hate on there is say you search for a Glock 19, you then run across multiple ads for XD's with "NOT a Glock 19" in the title....Gotta do what you gotta do I guess..

I hate this practice. It is nothing but spamming the search results and devalues the whole site.

VegasAR15
February 27, 2013, 10:01 AM
The tactic I hate on there is say you search for a Glock 19, you then run across multiple ads for XD's with "NOT a Glock 19" in the title....Gotta do what you gotta do I guess..
I do hate that. If I am searching for a Glock 19 specifically chances are I am not going to buy your Sigma just because it comes up in the search results.

dirtykid
February 27, 2013, 10:12 AM
I have not done a whole lot of business on there either, but the practice of putting similar firearms like the "Glock19" comment in the description is annoying,
If I do find something I like, I scan the ad from top to bottom,and if there is a question as to what they are selling I will send them a message,
It does seem like some people on there have a few too many irons in the fire though, some people have responded with questions like "which item are you refering to ? , we have thousands of listings on GB"
Ummm ... its the item listed at the top of the E-mail I sent to you,, READ !!!

W L Johnson
February 27, 2013, 10:19 AM
I've been on gunbroker for over 10 years, and as a rule, I refuse to purchase from any seller that does the following:

1. Provides no pics at all of item
2. Provides generic image of item instead of actual
3. Provides misleading or inaccurate pictures that differ from item description

That and use the word "mint" in the title but then in the actual desc say it's used and in many cases tell you what's wrong with it and/or even have a pic and it's noticeably worn. See it on e-bay and gun broker alot.

Sport45
March 1, 2013, 06:23 AM
I've bought a few things on GB and haven't had a problem with this. Maybe I'm not searching for the right items....

Afrer 44 posts I thought I'd see a link to an example. If it was there I missed it.

joeschmoe
March 1, 2013, 06:23 AM
I don't buy/sell from GB, Ebay or forums. I have spent a small fortune buying stuff online. I deal with real business with real store fronts. I still get great deals, treated fairly and issues are dealt with easily. I'm confident I can purse my legal rights if I get ripped off.

I don't buy watches from the guy on the corner or meat from a van on the side of the road either.

Spymaster
March 1, 2013, 01:46 PM
I don't buy/sell from GB, Ebay or forums. I have spent a small fortune buying stuff online. I deal with real business with real store fronts. I still get great deals, treated fairly and issues are dealt with easily. I'm confident I can purse my legal rights if I get ripped off.

I don't buy watches from the guy on the corner or meat from a van on the side of the road either.
I see, so you insist on wholesaling your gear back to the dealer, or cutting them in on 10-15% of whatever pricepoint you & the dealer decide on! Good show, I am selling cases of ammo on GB hand over fist, I cannot keep up with the demand, cases that I purchased for in many instances, just $90-$120.00 selling easily for $600.00!

Thank you for not cluttering up GB...

silicosys4
March 1, 2013, 01:51 PM
I see, so you insist on wholesaling your gear back to the dealer, or cutting them in on 10-15% of whatever pricepoint you & the dealer decide on! Good show, I am selling cases of ammo on GB hand over fist, I cannot keep up with the demand, cases that I purchased for in many instances, just $90-$120.00 selling easily for $600.00!

Thank you for not cluttering up GB...

Dang, guess I'll head right on over and get in line for $600 cases of ammo I'll be able to pay $120 for in a few months :rolleyes:
GB is and always has been a sellers paradise. For buyers...not so much...and I'm not just talking about prices.

Brockak47
March 1, 2013, 01:55 PM
if you ask me there's nothing wrong with it, if you can't read the description of the ad then it's your fault.
No I don't think everybody who is lazy with pics is trying to deceive me.

Aside from gunbroker
deceptive marketing strategies are an element used on just about every advertisement ranging from minute rice to dodge trucks.

Brockak47
March 1, 2013, 02:01 PM
...I deal with real business with real store fronts...
You do know the year is 2013, not 1913 right? ;) having a storefront or not wouldn't make you more or less credible in my mind. For example Lage Mfg. he manufactures and sells a great product, but he has no storefront...

silicosys4
March 1, 2013, 02:02 PM
if you ask me there's nothing wrong with it, if you can't read the description of the ad then it's your fault.
No I don't think everybody who is lazy with pics is trying to deceive me.

Aside from gunbroker
deceptive marketing strategies are an element used on just about every advertisement ranging from minute rice to dodge trucks.

The difference being, in those industries, there is an increased level of FTC involvement, and many lawsuits are brought up that specifically address those situations. The online auction community has yet to see those regulatory bodies become fully involved. Perhaps that is a good thing.


"FTC POLICY STATEMENT ON DECEPTION
Appended to Cliffdale Associates, Inc., 103 F.T.C. 110, 174 (1984).

FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20580

October 14, 1983

The Honorable John D. Dingell
Chairman
Committee on Energy and Commerce
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Mr. Chairman:

This letter responds to the Committee's inquiry regarding the Commission's enforcement policy against deceptive acts or practices.1 We also hope this letter will provide guidance to the public.

Section 5 of the FTC Act declares unfair or deceptive acts or practices unlawful. Section 12 specifically prohibits false ads likely to induce the purchase of food, drugs, devices or cosmetics. Section 15 defines a false ad for purposes of Section 12 as one which is "misleading in a material respect."2 Numerous Commission and judicial decisions have defined and elaborated on the phrase "deceptive acts or practices" under both Sections 5 and 12. Nowhere, however, is there a single definitive statement of the Commission's view of its authority. The Commission believes that such a statement would be useful to the public, as well as the Committee in its continuing review of our jurisdiction...."

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/policystmt/ad-decept.htm

I don't think its a question of whether it's happening, or whether SOME ads on gunbroker and other sites are calculated to be misleading to consumers to the point of breaking FTC guidelines, but whether violations can be caught and violators can be booted or prosecuted.
Some sites pay more attention and devote more efforts than others. I prefer to spend my time at the sites I feel devote sufficient time and attention towards monitoring this kind of activity on the behalf of BOTH parties, not just the buyer or seller..... and unfortunately, GB is not one of them.

dirtykid
March 1, 2013, 02:24 PM
Since we are on the GB subject,
anybody here have problems with getting what they ordered from wholesalehunter.com ?
I found a couple boxes of ammo,they had it listed for a decent price, I used the "buy now" option and got a quick reply from them saying to checkout now, or visit their website for more deals, I found a few items there, reasonably priced, and figured since they gave me good deal on ammo, I would spend a little more of my money at their store,
So I checkout, get confirmation a couple days later that package has shipped,with UPS tracking number and everything,,
So today it arrives and only the 2-items I picked from their store are in the box,
I E-mailed them asking where my ammo was and they said it was backordered,and I could cancel them if I wanted to..
Then I start reading on their website about "return policy" and it states they may impose a 10% auction-cancellation fee ,,,,
So they can charge you 10% of a transaction for something they never even had in stock to begin with ?? Isint that fraud ???

silicosys4
March 1, 2013, 02:33 PM
Since we are on the GB subject,
anybody here have problems with getting what they ordered from wholesalehunter.com ?
I found a couple boxes of ammo,they had it listed for a decent price, I used the "buy now" option and got a quick reply from them saying to checkout now, or visit their website for more deals, I found a few items there, reasonably priced, and figured since they gave me good deal on ammo, I would spend a little more of my money at their store,
So I checkout, get confirmation a couple days later that package has shipped,with UPS tracking number and everything,,
So today it arrives and only the 2-items I picked from their store are in the box,
I E-mailed them asking where my ammo was and they said it was backordered,and I could cancel them if I wanted to..
Then I start reading on their website about "return policy" and it states they may impose a 10% auction-cancellation fee ,,,,
So they can charge you 10% of a transaction for something they never even had in stock to begin with ?? Isint that fraud ???

Good luck, I lost over $200 on GB in exactly this manner. As a 20% "restocking fee" for a $1k+ colt 6920 that I wanted to cancel after I
1. Was notified that my "factory new" item was going to have several factory included accessories removed by the seller once he got it in...for him to resell elsewhere (found out by
reading about the factory accessory package, then emailing seller about missing pieces not included in auction description), and
2. Was notified after the auction ended and I had paid via CC that my item was actually backordered until further notice...I had paid to "get in line".

I waited over 2 months for GB to do something for me, multiple daily inquiries, many emails...guess what, they have NO phone number for customer support... and finally left after no response.
GB has NO customer service for buyers.
If you are seller, they have your back immediately though.

A man could make quite a living by auctioning off items he doesn't have an never has any intention of providing, using the excuse that it's "backordered until further notice" to get people to cancel their orders, then keeping a tidy little "restocking fee" for said item that never existed and was never going to be sent. I refuse to do business with a company like GB that is not at all concerned with keeping that from happening.

dirtykid
March 1, 2013, 03:13 PM
Ugh,,,,,
Im going to contact my CC-company and see if any of my "fraud protection" benefits will help me out here, Strange, the seller had lots of positive feedback too..
I suppose they can manipulate the system to show false purchases to "up" their rating,
Another thing I wondered about is if a shady-seller wanted to take advantage of this current buying-frenzy, they could have another person from a seperate IP-address jump-in the bidding at the last minute to drive-up the price further than what it was,

Either way, Im DONE dealing with internet buying,unless its from a well-known outfit like Midway or Opticsplanet or somebody like that,
I like to deal with LGS when I can, problem is lately, we have had 2 of them that I used to buy from,close their doors for various reasons,

silicosys4
March 1, 2013, 03:36 PM
Well, there are other auction sites out there that have shown me much better service and have actually worked proactively to protect my interests, and who I have seen working to actively find and get rid of bogus sellers as well as bogus buyers.

Gunauction.com

Gunsamerica.com

Both have been stellar for me, Gunauction.com is the NRA's official auction site, I believe.
Both are somewhat less "panicky" than gunbroker, I have the feeling the crowd is smaller, older, more experienced, and more level headed.

breakingcontact
March 1, 2013, 04:27 PM
I'm much more comfortable selling than buying on gunbroker. Didn't know the NRA had an auction site. Will check it out.

Spymaster
March 1, 2013, 06:46 PM
Dang, guess I'll head right on over and get in line for $600 cases of ammo I'll be able to pay $120 for in a few months :rolleyes:
GB is and always has been a sellers paradise. For buyers...not so much...and I'm not just talking about prices.
A few months? Nothing personal, but you're a perfect example of "clueless!" You won't be shooting much this summer, if at all! Supplies & prices are staying right where they are for likely the next 12-18 months, and if Obama gets his supermajority handed back to him, it's(prices/supplies) never falling back to the levels you're waiting on.

Good luck.

silicosys4
March 1, 2013, 07:07 PM
A few months? Nothing personal, but you're a perfect example of "clueless!" You won't be shooting much this summer, if at all! Supplies & prices are staying right where they are for likely the next 12-18 months, and if Obama gets his supermajority handed back to him, it's(prices/supplies) never falling back to the levels you're waiting on.

Good luck.

I wouldn't say clueless, I'd say more prepared and smarter than your customers. Good for you in being forward thinking and stocking up enough to be able to resell, you are making money, good...better enjoy it while it lasts.

I don't know where you got 12-18 months from, since the supplies are already being restocked, prices are dropping, and you are enjoying the tail end of a rather large buying frenzy. Bet your sales are dwindling though.

I just picked up 1k rounds of .22lr for $43 last weekend. I'm sitting on 12k more. 5k of various center fire ammunition. I have over 200lbs of various brass, 800lbs of lead, 12k primers, and 30lbs of powder sitting at home.

I'm not your customer base.

The supplies are being replenished nationwide as we speak. Ammo manufacturers are still making ammo, and people will pay $600 a case for ammo for only as long as they figure out that now that they are broke from buying $600 cases of ammo, ammo is reappearing on shelves and remaining there.
You can keep your super great ammo deals and fear mongering to yourself :rolleyes:

quiet frankly, only idiots and the unprepared are paying your prices.

Great example of why I feel no need to visit GB or do business with any of its illustrious sellers.

BeerSleeper
March 1, 2013, 07:25 PM
I always read the description. I find it annoying when the picture isn't exact, but if the wording is clear in the description, I will still bid on the auction.

I have seen it go the other way as well. The auction will clearly state it is for 2, or 3, or x quantity, but there will only be one item pictured.

I see a lot of auctions for a brick of 22, but a case of 10 bricks is what's pictured. I have a hunch those sellers are offering bidders a choice of quantity if they like the final bid, and cheating out of the commission that way.

I have no objections to stock photos when someone is selling a new item. If it's new and unopened, I don't need a pic to see what it looks like. It is nice if the seller makes the effort to take and post a pic of the actual item, but I don't consider it (for me) to be an absolute necessity.

I do get annoyed with people putting what the item is NOT in the subtitle of the listing, to get search hits. For example, I saw a brick of CCI 22LR, and in the subtitle it said "CCI, not Winchester, Federal, Remington (list went on)". Those guys are manipulating the system, and trying to get their auction to come up on a search for any brand. While not misleading per se, since they are telling you it is NOT this, it's annoying when you are trying to have a specific search.

Spymaster
March 1, 2013, 11:00 PM
I wouldn't say clueless, I'd say more prepared and smarter than your customers. Good for you in being forward thinking and stocking up enough to be able to resell, you are making money, good...better enjoy it while it lasts.

I don't know where you got 12-18 months from, since the supplies are already being restocked, prices are dropping, and you are enjoying the tail end of a rather large buying frenzy. Bet your sales are dwindling though.

I just picked up 1k rounds of .22lr for $43 last weekend. I'm sitting on 12k more. 5k of various center fire ammunition. I have over 200lbs of various brass, 800lbs of lead, 12k primers, and 30lbs of powder sitting at home.

I'm not your customer base.

The supplies are being replenished nationwide as we speak. Ammo manufacturers are still making ammo, and people will pay $600 a case for ammo for only as long as they figure out that now that they are broke from buying $600 cases of ammo, ammo is reappearing on shelves and remaining there.
You can keep your super great ammo deals and fear mongering to yourself :rolleyes:

quiet frankly, only idiots and the unprepared are paying your prices.

Great example of why I feel no need to visit GB or do business with any of its illustrious sellers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/ammo-shortages-gun-stocks-obama-controls_n_2489763.html

Thats a good one, always can tell an Obama supporter, their the ones telling everyone else that they are "fear mongering!" Of course that you haven't even a shred of substantive data to back up your wildly generalized statements that we are just a month or two or three away, from ammo nirvana, is purely fictional. Prepared are you, well good for you, you're gonna need to be very well prepared if you're planning on any substantial shooting this spring..

The industry itself, has relayed that they are now years out, and its across the board, guns, ammo, and accessories and parts.

From the link,

"It’s difficult to get inventory," Texan gun seller Liss added, speaking on the phone from the Shot Show, an annual gun show in Las Vegas. "Manufacturers won’t be able to ship out until 2015."

silicosys4
March 2, 2013, 12:33 AM
^^ lol, you sound like someone who would like to keep selling high priced ammo at auction for as long as possible. I like the not so subtle Obama card, sure to raise the pulse of any panic buyer.

I wouldn't worry about my shooting habits in the foreseeable future. I'm covered, Thanks for your concern, though.

I'll bet that very vague quote sells ammo for you. Is there some indication "manufacturers" of AMMO aren't shipping at this very moment? As far as everything the industry has had to say, manufacturing has INCREASED temporarily to meet demand. Ammo that I'm looking at online listed as out of stock is also listed to arrive anywhere from March to May. Anybody can see from .22lr sales and shortages alone that this is a mainly a shortage created purely by increased buying by citizens, not decreased production or increased DHS buying, much as people would theorize about mysterious government plots to limit ammo availability....how much .22lr does the government buy?

winky winky, I get your gig. Drive that panic buying.

BullfrogKen
March 2, 2013, 01:13 AM
The bickering, name calling, and juvenile behavior has gone on long enough.

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