Is the "Riflemans" gun even practical?


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Grassman
February 26, 2013, 11:45 AM
I'm obsessed with The Rifleman's gun. I love the show, and still watch it every week. In particular the pin set up on the large hoop lever. This is a pretty cool article telling about the gun and set up. Chuck Conners was actually pretty good with this shooting style, he became very proficient at it. I'm no fool, shooting a rifle this way is akin to Rambo shooting his M16 from the hip, but it's a good conversation.

http://www.riflemansrifle.com/the_riflemans_rifle.htm

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Certaindeaf
February 26, 2013, 12:00 PM
Well it's a full size rifle with sights so it's about as good as any back in the day and probably better than many to this day. As to the big hoop, who knows.. I've never fired one with one. Get one!

mavracer
February 26, 2013, 12:09 PM
A '92 winchester is one of the most practical and best pointing weapons of all time. The big loop and trigger tripping screw certianly add nothing in the way of practicality but IMO the don't detract from it either.

VVelox
February 26, 2013, 12:23 PM
Vastly over sized loops like that are annoying, in my opinion.

Cosmoline
February 26, 2013, 12:25 PM
Having one big enough to get a gloved hand in is nice if you're wearing shooting gloves. But the big loops are too big by far. They slow down the cycling process.

CraigC
February 26, 2013, 01:26 PM
The 1892, by itself, is a very practical and effective rifle. It's also the strongest of the pistol cartridge rifles. However, I have to doubt the practicality of the set screw that tripped the trigger as the lever closed. While it might help the uninitiated to empty the rifle quickly, it is unnecessary for the skilled levergunner and would be a hindrance in deliberate, aimed fire. Probably require carrying the rifle with an empty chamber as well, or at least with the action cracked open. Same for the huge ringlever, just unnecessary. I agree that a slightly enlarged lever will aid when using gloves but those of The Rifleman's rifle and most of them on the market are just too big.

wriggly
February 26, 2013, 03:00 PM
What a bunch of wet blankets.....go tell Mike DiMuzio he has it all wrong. :fire:

fatcat4620
February 26, 2013, 03:16 PM
Are you guys saying the gun used by a fictional television character may be impractical in real life?

Welding Rod
February 26, 2013, 03:20 PM
I had a Winchester Wrangler carbine with the big loop. I hated it. Functionally the small standard loop is vastly superior IMO.

Float Pilot
February 26, 2013, 03:29 PM
The trigger tripping thing was just a cool TV prop. But it gave me something to watch very week (back when it was a new show).

I had a large lever loop on one M-92 clone that I used back when I lived north of the circle and was running a trap line. It worked because I could wear heavy mittens, with thinner gloves inside. I used my thumb to work the trigger.

When it is 55 below zero you are not all that crazy about taking off your mittens.

MCgunner
February 26, 2013, 05:55 PM
Do away with the big ring lever, use the sights, and the ol' 92 is still one helluva good outdoorsman's companion. :D I'm not real sure how it works on Zombies, but I've never seen a Zombie in Texas. Might be the climate, not sure.

dagger dog
February 26, 2013, 05:58 PM
I had one of those rifles I think it was made by Mattell it was swell!

Nasty
February 26, 2013, 06:34 PM
Early tacticool...it failed then too.

SharpsDressedMan
February 26, 2013, 06:51 PM
Just as one can get REAL good at point shooting, I'm sure some of us could really get good with that rifle as modified. Beware the man with one gun. I think that was the whole premise of the show, and what some men can do with a gun goes BEYOND imagination. If I had a year, a semi truckload of ammo, and a 92 Winchester, I think I could get good enough to drive a pop can from 5 yards out to 25 yards consistently with a magazine full of cartridges, from the hip. Isn't that about the skill level needed to do what Chuck did on the show?

Coop45
February 26, 2013, 06:58 PM
If it was a good idea, Paladin would have had one.

MCgunner
February 26, 2013, 07:29 PM
Remember Steve McQueen, the bounty hunter? They make a mare's leg now, too, Rossi does. I've thought one MIGHT learn to aim one, but it's a pretty stupid idea, too, IMHO.

Tommygunn
February 26, 2013, 07:47 PM
If it was a good idea, Paladin would have had one.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Liked him too. ;-)


Large loop levers are primarily useful in cold climates where gloves are a necessity. They tend to be diffilcult to manipulate naturally in warmer places.
As for that trip screw;
A well known gun wrangler taught Chuck Connors to shoot the gun very quickly by keeping his trigger finger inside the trigger guard in a position such that it would easily hit the trigger and fire the weapon. This is how it was envisioned at the start.
But each show has an insurance underwriter and they get some say because if a main character goes out on medical they have to pay the insirance, and the one who inspected The Rifleman set took a look at Connors twirling the '92 and firing at as he'd been taught and said ; "uh no, he is NOT going to keep his finger in the guard because if he's a fraction of an inch off, the trigger will stab his trigger finger and he'll be out until it heals, so it's foreseeable and we are not covering it."
So that's why they put the set screw in, it was an insurance thing.
It also became a very clever TV gimick.
Having a Browning B-92 (with a standard loop) I would not like a set screw. I don't want my gun going off when I close the bolt I want it going off when I pull the trigger.
Fun TV show. But not fun in real life.

jmr40
February 26, 2013, 08:13 PM
NO!!! Not practcal at all. It was a movie prop. What many don't realise is that the rifle was modified with a set screw thrrough the lever loop that pushed the trigger as soon as the lever is closed.

That particular gun could not be aimed and fired. Only shot rapid fire.

Grassman
February 26, 2013, 08:18 PM
NO!!! Not practcal at all. It was a movie prop. What many don't realise is that the rifle was modified with a set screw thrrough the lever loop that pushed the trigger as soon as the lever is closed.

That particular gun could not be aimed and fired. Only shot rapid fire.
Yeah we know, that's the point of my thread.

David E
February 26, 2013, 08:38 PM
I had one of those rifles I think it was made by Mattell it was swell!

The Crackfire Rifle !

David E
February 26, 2013, 08:39 PM
NO!!! Not practcal at all. It was a movie prop. What many don't realise is that the rifle was modified with a set screw thrrough the lever loop that pushed the trigger as soon as the lever is closed.

That particular gun could not be aimed and fired. Only shot rapid fire.

Not true. More than once Lucas turned the screw in or out to trip the trigger or not.

Speedgoat
February 26, 2013, 08:43 PM
It's about as practical as some of the gadgets and stuff I see on the AR's these days...

NeuseRvrRat
February 26, 2013, 08:47 PM
very poor muzzle control

Upstater
February 26, 2013, 08:57 PM
The big loop was handy for the "duke" to spin-cock the rifle while riding and shooting one handed.

Cosmoline
February 26, 2013, 09:08 PM
very poor muzzle control

True but THAT part of these old shows may be accurate. It was a long time before Cooper's rules. Life was cheaper.

Grassman
February 26, 2013, 09:08 PM
I saw an episode last week when Lucus was teaching a young man to shoot, and he unscrewed his lever pin to let the guy shoot it normally.

foghornl
February 27, 2013, 07:51 AM
If you hunt/shoot in an area where "Industrial Strength" gloves are needed to keep frostbite away, then yes the big loop is an advantage.

P.S. if you are less than 6' 2" tall or so, don't try the 'spin-cock' thing with a full-length Marlin 336, etc. You WILL smack yourself in the face with it.

Never mind HOW I know...I just know!

MCgunner
February 27, 2013, 09:06 AM
It's about as practical as some of the gadgets and stuff I see on the AR's these days...

What? Twist tops ain't popular in Europe, you NEED that bottle opener on there! I guess it depends on where you are, though. :D

dagger dog
February 27, 2013, 04:11 PM
Yeah, I can see spin cocking with the finger in the trigger guard.... gunshot wound to the armpit, ain't no RightGuard gonna take care of that odor !

SharpsDressedMan
February 27, 2013, 07:38 PM
I used to have a Win 94 trapper, in .45 Colt. An early one. I had the large loop lever added, and proceeded to educate myself in the "John Wayne Spin". Not having "True Grit" at my disposal, I adapted the method to holding the rifle muzzle up, jerking my hand and lever directly forward, and with a combination of letting the muzzle swing towards me and assisting the spin, the rifle would chamber the round while it came into battery about at a 45 degree point (aimed at the ground in front of me) and then be raised normally into the aiming position. At NO TIME could or would the muzzle be anywhere near me WHEN THE ROUND WAS CHAMBERED. Yes, the open action gun would swing past my shoulder, and THEN get chambered when muzzle foreward, at the ground. Don't believe me? Try it with a dummy round. I tried it with a similar Browning B92 with 16" barrel, but the round kept falling out of the gun. The Winchester retained the round better. It was an impressive move, and I'll stand on it being safe, as I went over the mechanics of it many, many times before trusting it to live ammo.

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 27, 2013, 08:17 PM
Not just shooting gloves. I can see where one might be out wearing work gloves mending a fence or something and needing to grab the lever gun real quick. Taking the gloves off takes time.

ball3006
February 27, 2013, 10:17 PM
Shooting a rifle like that Rifleman style, is like fanning a six gun. You aren't going to hit much.....chris3

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