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FuzzyBunny
February 26, 2013, 11:41 PM
I am in Texas.
Do gun shops keep a bound book or other perm record by law when you take a pistol or rifle in for work?

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Texan Scott
February 27, 2013, 12:50 AM
The FFL book is for transfers of ownership. No bound book of gunsmith work.

Mango88
February 27, 2013, 01:24 AM
I did some gun smithing back in the 1980's and it was requirement then that if I took possession of a firearm I had to log it in my bound book and log it back out to the customer when they picked it up. The only exception was if the firearm remained in the customers possession while I worked on it. Has this changed since then? I would check with the BATFE to be sure.

DonJ441
February 27, 2013, 08:32 AM
A recent discussion with a local FFL here in the San Antonio area seems to back that up. He told me that he once had a customer that was doing some extensive work and that he would bring the firearm in and stay for 3 or 4 hours a time and then take it back with him so as not to leave it with the FFL overnight. Hence, to get around the required transfer issue.

fdashes
February 27, 2013, 09:01 AM
Had some trigger work done and a rebluring. Was as Mango says,,logged in and then out when work was completed. Makes no sense but that's the way it is.

Bubbles
February 27, 2013, 09:12 AM
We have separate bound books for sales and transfers versus gunsmithing. Legally a firearm in for gunsmithing must be logged in if we keep it overnight. If the customer drops it off and picks it up the same day then there's no need to log it in.

Either way, there's no 4473/NICS required to return a fireram that's in for gunsmithing.

dogtown tom
February 27, 2013, 09:49 AM
FuzzyBunny I am in Texas.
Do gun shops keep a bound book or other perm record by law when you take a pistol or rifle in for work?
Only if the firearm is kept overnight.
If the firearm is returned the same day no bound book entry is required.

Texan Scott The FFL book is for transfers of ownership. No bound book of gunsmith work.
Nope.
The bound book is a record of POSSESSION, not ownership.
And any gunsmith that has possession of a firearm overnight damn sure better record that.

DonJ441 A recent discussion with a local FFL here in the San Antonio area seems to back that up. He told me that he once had a customer that was doing some extensive work and that he would bring the firearm in and stay for 3 or 4 hours a time and then take it back with him so as not to leave it with the FFL overnight. Hence, to get around the required transfer issue.
Maybe the gunsmith was lonely, because a 4473/NICS is clearly not required on a gun being repaired. (even one kept overnight, a week or a month)

returningfire
February 27, 2013, 09:58 AM
The Feds say you need to record it an a book, not the bound one where transfers go, but in a book if the firearm spends the night. This is good, because how are you as an FFL holder, gonna explain guns in your shop that are not recorded in some book or record keeping system?

mgkdrgn
February 27, 2013, 10:04 AM
The FFL book is for transfers of ownership. No bound book of gunsmith work.
Incorrect.

There -is- a bound book, but they don't have to do a 4473 to give you your own gun back.

FuzzyBunny
February 27, 2013, 02:21 PM
Thanks you all for the input.

I'm not worried about a NICS just wondering how smiths operated

Texan Scott
February 27, 2013, 02:45 PM
I should have said "possession", not " ownership "... but they don't log all gunsmithing work. They only log it if they KEEP it. If they don't keep it, or you're only leaving them with a part (any part that is not a "firearm" in itself, eg a trigger group), there's no book because no transfer took place.

Bubbles
February 27, 2013, 04:09 PM
DonJ441 A recent discussion with a local FFL here in the San Antonio area seems to back that up. He told me that he once had a customer that was doing some extensive work and that he would bring the firearm in and stay for 3 or 4 hours a time and then take it back with him so as not to leave it with the FFL overnight. Hence, to get around the required transfer issue.

Maybe the gunsmith was lonely, because a 4473/NICS is clearly not required on a gun being repaired. (even one kept overnight, a week or a month)
More like the customer didn't want an off-paper gun on record as "his" in any book, even if no 4473/NICS is required.

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