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dusty85
February 27, 2013, 01:05 PM
new to reloading
im using valiant 45colt 200 gr lead swc with 231 powder
questions are why is all powder info different grains whinchwster says to use 4 grains all books say use 7.4 gr and with the valiant i cant get the right ovl
1.600 it comes our at 1.620 using a tarus judge

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rcmodel
February 27, 2013, 01:19 PM
Winchester does not say to use 4.0 grains with a 200 grain cast bullet in .45 Colt.

Hodgdon, who sells W-231 and publishes the data for it, says the start load with a 200 LRNFP is 5.9 giving 761 FPS, and MAX is 8.0 giving 1,002 FPS..

OAL is bullet design dependent, and 1.600" is SAAMI MAX AOL with any bullet, not that one.

If you are using bullets designed for a revolver, they will have a crimping groove in them.

Seat and crimp to the groove and the OAL will be correct for that bullet.

rc

savanahsdad
February 27, 2013, 01:22 PM
charges will be different from book to book ,because of different shaped bullets different sized lube groves, and hardness of cast , I see you said it is a lead bullet , you sure it is not cast ?


Edit:: I see you said Valiant ,SWC , do they have loaddata for that bullet ?

Certaindeaf
February 27, 2013, 01:26 PM
It sounds like you may well be using a SWC designed for the .45acp? Have you measured the diameter of those slugs? The .45 Colt is two thousandths larger than the other.

dusty85
February 27, 2013, 01:51 PM
bullet only has a red ring around i t no groves (totaly lost)

Certaindeaf
February 27, 2013, 02:04 PM
You will get lost without some form of directional input. In this case I'd get some reloading manuals -and read them- and a set of calipers.

dusty85
February 27, 2013, 02:08 PM
thanks

rcmodel
February 27, 2013, 02:10 PM
bullet only has a red ring around i t no groves (totaly lost) Yep!
You got 200 grain .45 ACP bullets then.

They can be used in .45 Colt, but not by a new reloader with apparently zero experiance, or a load manual.

Auto-pistol bullets:
http://www.missouribullet.com/cw3/assets/product_full/bullseye1.jpg

Revolver bullets with crimp groove:
http://www.missouribullet.com/cw3/assets/product_full/cowboy9.jpg

rc

Walkalong
February 27, 2013, 02:15 PM
bullet only has a red ring around i t no groves (totaly lost)
If it is a bullet intended for .45 Colt, it will have a lube groove, or grooves, full of lube. It could be brown, red, blue, etc. Then above the lube groove(s) it will have a crimp groove.

In this pic the one on the left has the lube groove in the case and the crimp groove is shown. The one on the right shows it fully seated and crimped.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=104461&stc=1&d=1251676353

.45 Colt
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=155741&stc=1&d=1325298071

dusty85
February 27, 2013, 02:34 PM
do have a book and i guess they
sold me 45acp instead of 45 colt thats why i have the problem
thanks for the info

Certaindeaf
February 27, 2013, 02:46 PM
Welcome to the site and it's alway good to help a fellow shooter (and I know I'm speaking for others here). Let's just say you wanted to shoot them there slugs out of your .45 Colt revolver.. we'd pretty much still say to get a caliper and yadda and then we'd go from there perhaps.. since supplies are in such short supply just now.

dusty85
February 27, 2013, 04:03 PM
so can i use the 45acp for my colt i do have calipers also watched videos just having a problem with the proper seating:banghead:

kingmt
February 27, 2013, 04:37 PM
Just seat them & crimp them enough for the brass to cut into the bullet a little bit or roll it over the nose. A couple ten thousandth won't hurt anything.

dusty85
February 27, 2013, 05:08 PM
thank you:)

savanahsdad
February 27, 2013, 05:46 PM
180504 I'm guessing this is what you got

Walkalong
February 27, 2013, 05:52 PM
If you have .45 ACP dies, you can use the seater/taper crimp die to remove the bell on the .45 Colt brass, or even give them a bit of crimp.

ljnowell
February 27, 2013, 09:40 PM
The .45 Colt is two thousandths larger than the other.
Not really. Modern 45 colts are made to use .452 lead just fine.

dusty85
February 28, 2013, 08:52 AM
thanks for the info now if i get the crimp right its all good

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