Valuable Video - Magazine Capacity Myth


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February 28, 2013, 12:21 AM
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BELLEVUE, WA – A new video obtained by the Citizens Committee for the Right to keep and Bear Arms destroys the myth surrounding so-called “high capacity magazines” by proving that determined shooters using smaller capacity magazines can fire just as fast, and in some cases even faster despite having to reload.

The startling video demonstration, conducted under the supervision of Boone County, Ind. Sheriff Ken Campbell and funded by ArmaLite, “throws cold water on anti-gunners who argue that magazine limitations are necessary to prevent mass shootings,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan M. Gottlieb. “We are all indebted to ArmaLite for this informative effort.”

“Under Sheriff Campbell’s supervision,” he explained, “two shooters – an experienced man and a novice female – are able to repeatedly fire 30-round shot strings at three targets, using 15-, ten- and six-round magazines, all in under 30 seconds.”

The male demonstrator fired 30 rounds from a pistol, first with two 15-round magazines, in 20.64 seconds, then with three ten-rounders in 18.05 seconds and finally with five six-round magazines in 21.45 seconds. The woman fired the same magazine sequence, with two 15-round magazines in 22.9 seconds, three ten-rounders in 25.51 seconds and the final five six-round magazines in 26.93 seconds.

In addition, the man then fires 20 rounds from an AR-15 rifle using a single magazine, in 12.16 seconds. He then fired 20 rounds using two ten-round magazines in less time, 10.73 seconds!

“Imposing magazine capacity limits creates a horribly false sense of security,” Gottlieb observed. “This video puts the lie to this politically-motivated disarmament strategy.”

Sheriff Campbell notes in the video that, “One of the reasons that the magazine restrictions are being proposed is the perception that if the active shooter has fewer bullets in magazines he will have to reload sooner and this will create an opportunity for someone to tackle him during the reload.”

In a demonstration, that notion is also proven false.

“Magazine capacity limits offer no panacea to the rare mass shootings that have alarmed the country,” Gottlieb said. “It is time to stop this nonsense and expose magazine limits as the monumental fraud they are.”

Gottlieb urged firearms owners to share this important video demonstration with state and federal lawmakers. The video can be found at YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Upjn5DR0o&feature=youtube_gdata_player



With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is one of the nation’s premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States. The Citizens Committee can be reached by phone at (425) 454-4911, on the Internet at www.ccrkba.org or by email to InformationRequest@ccrkba.org.

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Big_John1961
February 28, 2013, 01:16 AM
Excellent demonstration. I should show this to a few libs I work with. Proof's in the pudding.

ccsniper
February 28, 2013, 08:16 AM
good vid.

Solo
February 28, 2013, 11:14 AM
Just curious, but why was he faster with 10 round magazines than standard capacity magazines?

MedWheeler
February 28, 2013, 01:55 PM
I wonder how many of these libs are ready to step up and volunteer to "tackle" a gunman when he stops to replace a magazine now..

Akita1
February 28, 2013, 02:36 PM
Just curious, but why was he faster with 10 round magazines than standard capacity magazines?
seemed like he was pulling the trigger a bit faster?

Derek Zeanah
February 28, 2013, 02:48 PM
Inlined it for you.

Ken Campbell looks different in uniform than at Gunsite, or when hanging around at SHOT.

I think it's the brown hat...

David E
February 28, 2013, 02:54 PM
This will only "prove" that imposing a 10 rd magazine capacity limit won't be a burden, so what's the problem with passing a hicap mag ban?

Big_John1961
February 28, 2013, 02:57 PM
One thing I did notice is that both of these shooters have been trained to leave one round in the pipe before they reload another mag. Don't know if it makes that much difference in speed, but it is worth noting.

This vid alone should be demonstration enough for any reasonable anti-gunner. Of course, it won't be.

Derek Zeanah
February 28, 2013, 03:03 PM
One thing I did notice is that both of these shooters have been trained to leave one round in the pipe before they reload another mag. Don't know if it makes that much difference in speed, but it is worth noting.
With that said, I carry a 1911 with an 8 round magazine + 1 in the chamber, for a total of 9 rounds. In this demonstration the initial capacity was just the magazine capacity, not magazine capacity + 1.

blackrussian
February 28, 2013, 03:10 PM
Christie may not have years of shooting experience, but sure knows how to count her shots.

David E
February 28, 2013, 10:40 PM
It's a faulty test. The badguy won't do all his shooting behind a barrel that has extra mags on it.

The best one was where he kept pulling loaded guns out of the bag, as that's what an industrious badguy would do.

USAF_Vet
February 28, 2013, 11:06 PM
This will only "prove" that imposing a 10 rd magazine capacity limit won't be a burden, so what's the problem with passing a hicap mag ban?
And if that's the case, why not a complete semi-auto ban.

This is a double edged sword. One one hand, it proves that a hi cap mag ban is pointless, which we like, but on the other it proves that a determined gunman can dole out lots of damage with any kind of semi-auto with detachable mags.

David E
March 1, 2013, 02:08 AM
And if that's the case, why not a complete semi-auto ban.

For the same reason there shouldn't be a mag capacity limit.

On one hand, it proves that a hi cap mag ban is pointless, which we like, but on the other it proves that a determined gunman can dole out lots of damage with any kind of semi-auto with detachable mags.

No, it doesn't. Again I refer you to the part at the end where "Jim" does several New York reloads pulling revolver after revolver after revolver firing a total of 30 shots in less time than with the Glock loaded with 15 rd mags.

It proves that badguys will always find a way to carry out their evil.

USAF_Vet
March 1, 2013, 01:58 PM
For the same reason there shouldn't be a mag capacity limit.



No, it doesn't. Again I refer you to the part at the end where "Jim" does several New York reloads pulling revolver after revolver after revolver firing a total of 30 shots in less time than with the Glock loaded with 15 rd mags.

It proves that badguys will always find a way to carry out their evil.
It doesn't matter, the antis will still look at it exactly how I said.

By throwing in NY reloads, carrying multiple guns, and showing how effective a simple double barrel shotgun can be in a school shooting (Columbine), it only gives the gun grabbers more fuel to go after all of our guns. That is their end game after all.

David E
March 1, 2013, 05:09 PM
You cited "detachable mags, almost making it sound like they were required to "dole out the damage," which they're not. The attack on an American school that killed 30+ kids involved no Gina, just a bomb.

I agree their goal is confiscation of ALL guns, but I disagree videos like that give them "more fuel," since they've already decided on the issue.

USAF_Vet
March 1, 2013, 08:18 PM
Detachable mags aren't required, but going after guns is a step by step process. Now, its 'hi cap' magazines they are going after. Next it'll be any detachable magazine, then they will impose a limit on how much ammo you can purchase, and how many guns you can own. Step by step, inch by inch they impose 'reasonable restrictions' that chip away at out fundamental rights. They won't look at this video and declare a 100% gun ban and mandatory confiscation, they'll store this I for and use it later, a few steps down the road.

They need the fuel to motivate their constituents and financial supporters.

The gun grabbers have already made up their minds, but can only implement their plans with a lot of money and little resistance. It's all about misinformation, which they have made a career perfecting. They go after the fence sitters, turn them over to their side with misinformation. That's how they gain support.

David E
March 1, 2013, 09:51 PM
When they use misinformation, facts and videos don't matter.

WE can use videos like this to convince the dense sitters, too.

Dr.Rob
March 13, 2013, 03:44 PM
Clearly both were trained shooters, only in the last demo did the shooter fire to slide lock before reloading.

Of course its not 'that' hard to count your shots in such a setting.

1KPerDay
March 13, 2013, 05:46 PM
LOL I love the 5 revolver New York reload at 11:18 :D

CoRoMo
March 13, 2013, 05:59 PM
The video is not perfect. It needs to be done many more times, primarily with new shooters and real scenario variables like mags need to be pulled from the pockets and not off the top of a barrel. Tweak it some more and it should be ideal.
...to convince the dense sitters...
I'm not convinced that you made a typo there.

grahluk
March 13, 2013, 07:18 PM
Observation not mentioned why the ban would penalize lawful self defense and not the mass murderer. A mass murderer has the benefit of planning and preparation. This video shows that yes he can do the same relative damage whether with a couple standard capacity mags, a couple more reduced capacity mags, or NY reloading by carrying multiple guns. This proves that such "sensible" gun laws are fairy tales. What they do however is endanger the lawful self defense shooter. A defender will be responding to an attack at the perpetrator's choosing making their efforts reactionary at best. Whether home, business, or licensed carry in public it's likely that the defender will only have the ammo presently loaded in the weapon. When trouble happens they will grab the weapon at hand and most likely will not have the benefit of multiple magazines handy. How many people relax at home with a pistol belt with several full mag pouches or a bandolier full of shotgun shells?

David E
March 13, 2013, 08:04 PM
I'm not convinced that you made a typo there.

I didn't!

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