Why not? Glock .380 in the USA


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VaGunNut
February 28, 2013, 10:42 AM
Any info on or reason why Glock has not introduced a .380 in the United States? Any facts or opinions on this out there?

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ku4hx
February 28, 2013, 10:53 AM
The gun couldn't accumulate enough points to allow import. Points are based on a number of factors: sights, caliber, weight and etc. with each component being assigned a point value. The .380 just didn't score high enough.

Delta959
February 28, 2013, 11:00 AM
Well I believe that the 380 glocks (the 25 and 28) are the same size as the 19/26. I think they were brought out for the markets that do not allow "military" rounds like 9mm (South America). So I don't really think that there would be much of a draw. I can't think of a particularly good reason to buy a 380 over a 9, especially considering the size of pistol we're talking. I don't hear many people complain about the recoil of the 19 or 26. So I presume that there would be little money to be made.

But who knows, maybe they'll bring out a few just because they can with the "USA" marked Glocks.

Ehtereon11B
February 28, 2013, 11:00 AM
Initially it was because .380 Glocks don't meet the import points needed as ku4hx stated. That can be easily worked around now since Glock has plants in the US so they could make it right here to work around the import restrictions from their European factories. Why they aren't doing it now, my guess would be demand. Pocket .380s hit their peak a few years ago with the Diamondback .380, Bersa CC, SIG 238 and similar models. Now manufacteurs are focused on making pocket 9mms like the SIG 938, Ruger LC9, and other single stacks. Glock probably doesn't see the need to jump on a dying fad. But for all I know they could release one next week :D

bill3424
February 28, 2013, 11:44 AM
Here's to hoping that they can start producing these in the US. Just what I need, add another Glock to the collection.

SDGlock23
February 28, 2013, 11:48 AM
Aside from the import restrictions, the current .380 Glocks are the same size as the 9mm Glocks so really there's no point as 9mm is cheaper and more effective.

1KPerDay
February 28, 2013, 12:25 PM
Aside from the import restrictions, the current .380 Glocks are the same size as the 9mm Glocks so really there's no point as 9mm is cheaper and more effective.
And yet we have things like the Ruger LC380. Curious, that.

g_one
February 28, 2013, 12:57 PM
And yet we have things like the Ruger LC380. Curious, that.

The LC380 is substantially thinner than the Subcompact Glock model and lends to far easier pocket carry. Sure, you can get a Boberg or a Rohrbaugh that is comparable in size to a 380, but the recoil out of a gun that size is substantially greater than out of a G26

I think the point is that typically the only reason to go to a smaller cartridge is if you want a gun that is too small to comfortably handle the recoil of a larger cartridge. Given that the G26 handles the 9mm just fine, there's no point in dropping down to a 380 in the same size package.

mgmorden
February 28, 2013, 02:54 PM
The LC380 is substantially thinner than the Subcompact Glock model and lends to far easier pocket carry. Sure, you can get a Boberg or a Rohrbaugh that is comparable in size to a 380, but the recoil out of a gun that size is substantially greater than out of a G26

I think you missed the point that the LC380 is EXACTLY the same size as the LC9 in 9mm, yet Ruger is still making it.

Sometimes people want things just because they're interesting. I'd buy a US-made Glock 25 simply because I haven't been able to own one for a long time.

OregonJohnny
February 28, 2013, 03:44 PM
I think the draw of a Glock .380 the same size as the 26, would be to very recoil-shy people. The recoil from a standard pressure .380, spread over the wide polymer frame of a Glock would probably be a little more pleasant than the same recoil from a standard pressure 9mm. And it would be substantially more pleasant than shooting the LCP/P3AT/P938/P380 size guns. I could see women and/or people with an aversion to small snappy 9mm semi-autos for CCW, being more comfortable with the same size gun shooting .380. The Ruger LC380 is a nice thought, but a lot of people don't like external safeties.

Peter M. Eick
February 28, 2013, 05:00 PM
I have wondered if you could just buy the parts from Glock to build your own on your 9mm receiver?

Could you get a Slide with the right number on it and a 380 barrel and just build it up? Anyone ever tried?

1KPerDay
February 28, 2013, 05:10 PM
They have different mechanisms of operation; the .380s are blowbacks.

MachIVshooter
February 28, 2013, 09:30 PM
Well I believe that the 380 glocks (the 25 and 28) are the same size as the 19/26.

They're thinner.

The G25/28 really exist for civilian markets in other countries that are not allowed to own firearms in military calibers (much of the world) or have maximum power levels/calibers (Mexico; 9mm max bore, no military rounds).

Other than a few Glockophiles, I really don't think they'd sell here.

g_one
February 28, 2013, 09:37 PM
edited: deleted: answered my own question

TCBPATRIOT
February 28, 2013, 11:12 PM
I think it would sell rather well. I wouldn't be one of the ones who buys it first chance they could but if I were to ever find a used one for a good price I'd probably pick it up.

hAkron
February 28, 2013, 11:19 PM
Ask CZ what a hot seller the CZ 83 was (it really wasn't that hot of a seller).

Quiet
March 1, 2013, 03:30 AM
Due to their blowback design, felt recoil of the .380ACP Glocks are the same as the 9x19mm Glocks.

Also...
The Glock 25 uses the same frame as the Glock 19, 23, 32 & 38.
The Glock 28 uses the same frame as the Glock 26, 27, 33 & 39.

Onmilo
March 1, 2013, 12:21 PM
Glock 25 and 28 ARE available for Police sales in USA.
As far as I know, no Police Force has actually ordered them with the easy availability of the more powerful 19 and 26 pistols.

C0untZer0
March 2, 2013, 05:45 PM
I thought IGB might make a 380 conversion barrel for the 26 or the 19 but they never did.

Surprisingly, they did make a 9mm barrel for the 25 and the 28 - since those are direct blowback, I have no idea how that would work...

C0untZer0
March 2, 2013, 05:47 PM
I do think the 26 could be made to work with the 380 ACP, with the right recoil spring...

Peter M. Eick
March 2, 2013, 06:33 PM
That is what I would have thought. If you used a very light spring and heavy bullets you could make a 26 work with 380.

Walt Sherrill
March 2, 2013, 07:17 PM
The key point, ORIGINALLY, was that there were IMPORT restrictions. They can be worked around, as someone else said. ( have a CZ-85 Combat, which doesn't have a firing pin block, and I was told that that FPB point deficit caused them to import the gun with a click adjustable rear sight to somewhat offset the points lost. The point system might also explain why the Springfield XDs have a grip safety: import points.)

Comparing the original Glock in .380 to the LCP (in .380), for example, is an inappropriate comparison -- as the LCP isn't imported.

I got the following information off the internet some time ago, and I don't whether these import restrictions have been amended in any way.

The point system that controls handgun imports was originally intended to make the import of "Saturday Night Specials" very difficult, and a total of 75 points were required to get a gun past import restrictions, and many .22s couldn't do it. (In the case of a .380 Glock, you'd see that there was a 13 difference between 9mm and .380.) I suspect, but am not sure, that the Glock would not be a locked-breech system system, and that's another -5 points.

Length: for each 1/4" over 6" - 1
Forged steel frame - 15
Forged HTS alloy frame - 20
Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.) - 1
.22 short and .25 auto - 0
.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto - 3
9mm parabellum and over - 10
Locked breech mechanism - 5
Loaded chamber indicator - 5
Grip safety - 3
Magazine safety - 5
Firing pin block or lock - 10
External hammer - 2
Double action - 10
Drift adjustable target sight - 5
Click adjustable target sight - 10
Target grips - 5
Target trigger - 2

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