1st 10/22 build recommendations!


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Wtlj
March 1, 2013, 12:09 AM
Hi, first post here and what a great forum so happy to have found it.

I have a plain black /stainless 10/22 carbine that I'm bored with. I've been researching a bit and would like to change out the barrel and stock. I will be using this gun for fun plinking and the occasional small varmint hunt in the woods.
I think I'm set on a 18" stainless fluted green mountain .920 barrel, but need help with stock.
I want a stock I don't have to worry about staying perfect. Here's the 2 I'm contemplating:
Hogue overmold
Boyds tacticool
The hogue has a forgiving rubber finish while the boyds can be refinished if scratches as its laminate and comes raw. I'm planning on buying a bipod off shopruger.com this week and upswing my bushnell 4-12x40 off my new savage combo gun ( if its not to big a d ugly for the 10/22).
I'm not looking for a backpack gun but don't want it so heavy it's no fun on the occasional squirrel hunt so maybe I'm in the wrong category.
Anyone have any experience with both of these stocks.
Thanks

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coolluke01
March 1, 2013, 12:21 AM
I PMed you with a part you are looking for.

gazpacho
March 1, 2013, 03:55 AM
For sheer fun, I recommend the M1 Carbine style stock with Tech Sights.

I just get the giggles when I shoot it. The BX-25 is a hoot, and 2 BX-10s coupled bottom sort of resemble straight mags.

The set-up shoots well, and you use the OEM barrel. That saves money. I mess with my other 10/22s, but my M1 Carbine style 10/22 stays the same.

Edit: About the Hogue Overmould stock. I have 2 versions of that stock in Desert Camo. The fit and function are fine, but there was something dissatisfying about the stock. I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I was using it for an "Ultimate" build, and the stock din't seem "worthy".

MedWheeler
March 1, 2013, 09:48 AM
Whatever you do, just don't stop by the 10/22 section over at rimfirecentral.com. I repeat: don't. :evil:

Fishbed77
March 1, 2013, 10:01 AM
Whatever you do, just don't stop by the 10/22 section over at rimfirecentral.com. I repeat: don't.

Agreed. Your wallet will suffer! Mine did! :D

hardluk1
March 1, 2013, 03:46 PM
PM sent.A contoured 16.25 or 18: barreld from FJ Fedderson for barrels for sure. Trigger kit from kidd or clark customs and use your old stock. Customized maybe it with paint , maybe a nomal recoil butt pad and have a super sleeper with the right ammo and scope will shoot 3/8" at 50 yards.

Wtlj
March 1, 2013, 09:13 PM
Whatever you do, just don't stop by the 10/22 section over at rimfirecentral.com. I repeat: don't. :evil:

Uh oh too late!

Wtlj
March 3, 2013, 08:50 PM
Any more recommendations before I buy the tacticool stock and green mountain 18" fluted barrel? I'm considering sending my trigger group in to brimstone or Clark instead of buying new any advice?

coolluke01
March 3, 2013, 09:16 PM
Bolts and buffers are another thing that people change. Also look into bedding your receiver.

wally247
March 3, 2013, 09:30 PM
Barrel and stock sound good to me.

As for the trigger, I took mine apart shaved just a little off of the hammer and polished all the mating surfaces. I checked out what it would cost to replace everything if I mucked it up and went for it. Thankfully it turned out great and didn't cost me a dime!

Wtlj
March 3, 2013, 09:32 PM
Bolts and buffers are another thing that people change. Also look into bedding your receiver.

Ok I will do that also. Can you recommend any?

coolluke01
March 3, 2013, 10:09 PM
I would be careful with the do it your self trigger job. The hammer and sear are hardened steel. If you get below the hardened surface you could start to see rapid wear. This could lead to a runaway full auto 10/22.

Check Rimfire central for bolt and buffer recommendations.

aubie515
March 3, 2013, 10:46 PM
The Hogue overmold stock is nice...I like how it feels, but I'm getting rid of the one that came with my friend's rifle...PM me if you are interested in it..it's black color and is contoured for .920 barrels.

KIDD makes the best parts and that trigger job is worth the money. I like his bolt buffer as well as the KIDD extended mag release.

hardluk1
March 4, 2013, 03:21 PM
Why ask for more advise?? A boyd's tacticool stock design for match use does not make a worth while hunting plinking stock and a GM barrel is good money half waisted. Buy a 150 or 160 dollar barrel from fedderson and great a barrel. Not just a heavy average rifle.

Clark Custom is the company that started all the 10/22 custom also. They tend to not advertise like other but still make top end assories and gun smithing or other competition firearms.

Wtlj
March 4, 2013, 08:31 PM
Why ask for more advise?? A boyd's tacticool stock design for match use does not make a worth while hunting plinking stock and a GM barrel is good money half waisted. Buy a 150 or 160 dollar barrel from fedderson and great a barrel. Not just a heavy average rifle.

Clark Custom is the company that started all the 10/22 custom also. They tend to not advertise like other but still make top end assories and gun smithing or other competition firearms.

In that case maybe I should just sell the 10/22! In all honesty I just wanted a project and sometimes the harsh insight is what needed most. Thankyou for the recommendations and ill check into the feeders on barrels. I want this to be a budget 10/22 for target and if I happen to shoot a few varmints with it so be it. I just can't afford 2 10/22 or a dream build right now but still want to play.

Coltdriver
March 4, 2013, 08:43 PM
Here is something to think about.

The stock barrel is supported by a barrel band in order to keep the barrel from stressing the aluminum receiver. Once you see how the barrel is attached to the receiver this will make sense.

You hang a heavy barrel on your receiver with no support and you will have to treat it very carefully in the field. In fact any barrel with no support has the potential to ruin your receiver.

On the other hand, if you intend to just use it at the range and treat it carefully lots of people have no problems.

I built one with Volquartsen trigger group parts and a Boyds laminate stock. Came out nice and would shoot very well for a .22. Once I realized how vulnerable the receiver was I sold it.

Wtlj
March 4, 2013, 08:58 PM
Here is something to think about.

The stock barrel is supported by a barrel band in order to keep the barrel from stressing the aluminum receiver. Once you see how the barrel is attached to the receiver this will make sense.

You hang a heavy barrel on your receiver with no support and you will have to treat it very carefully in the field. In fact any barrel with no support has the potential to ruin your receiver.

On the other hand, if you intend to just use it at the range and treat it carefully lots of people have no problems.

I built one with Volquartsen trigger group parts and a Boyds laminate stock. Came out nice and would shoot very well for a .22. Once I realized how vulnerable the receiver was I sold it.

So is there any way around that? Do most people that upgrade change the receiver?

Coltdriver
March 4, 2013, 09:10 PM
I think you can actually get a machined steel receiver. Then you will end up with a $1000 10-22 with no original parts.

coolluke01
March 4, 2013, 09:36 PM
Volquartsen sells a bedding kit that has foam pads that are sticky on one side. I believe they recommend placing one of the pads within 4" of the end of the stock under the barrel. This will give the barrel a resting point and result in less stress on the receiver.

Many will buy a new receiver too. But as was said you will have at least $1000 into it. I decided to buy a Volquartsen and be done with it. It shoots one hole groups at 40 yards with bulk ammo!

Another option is to buy a stock 10/22 target. A friend of mine has one that will shoot dime sized groups at 50 yards with good ammo. That's the cheapest way to go.

hardluk1
March 5, 2013, 12:35 PM
He will figure it out with time. 10/22's or like a boat. Just keep throw'n money at them and a bolt rifle can still out shoot them for the same money or less. probably less, way less. Semi-autos are only better in timed matchs. Your average marlin 60 with a MCARBO spring kit will hang with a ruger target or gm barrel parts rifles for half as much money too.

Wtlj
March 5, 2013, 02:03 PM
He will figure it out with time. 10/22's or like a boat. Just keep throw'n money at them and a bolt rifle can still out shoot them for the same money or less. probably less, way less. Semi-autos are only better in timed matchs. Your average marlin 60 with a MCARBO spring kit will hang with a ruger target or gm barrel parts rifles for half as much money too.

As explained before. I'm not shooting target matches or at 100 yards. Just bored with the little toy and wanted something a little better.

Matno
March 5, 2013, 03:56 PM
If you're going to be plinking or rabbit hunting or something similar, but with a scope, I'd stick with a 16" barrel. That's where you maximize the bullets' velocity, and longer is just more weight. I've got a 20" barrel on mine, and it's way too front heavy for off hand shooting. I just use it with a bipod. Nice and quiet though. Shooting subsonic ammo, the range officer actually asked me what kind of suppressor I was using!

hardluk1
March 5, 2013, 05:32 PM
Sorry never looked at a marlin 60 as a toy. Its a better shooter than most anything say'n ruger with out dumping 4 to 600 dollars in to your rifle.

Go to rimfirecenteral and dig around the treads. You will figure out what you want.

Wtlj
March 5, 2013, 08:21 PM
Sorry never looked at a marlin 60 as a toy. Its a better shooter than most anything say'n ruger with out dumping 4 to 600 dollars in to your rifle.

Go to rimfirecenteral and dig around the treads. You will figure out what you want.

I don't have a marlin not sure why your referring to one? Thanks for all the advice everyone.

coolluke01
March 5, 2013, 10:52 PM
Not really sure what most of his comments have been in reference to. Have fun building your toy.

Wtlj
March 9, 2013, 12:08 PM
After putting some thought into the build I decided to make it strictly for target/ plinking and when the market settles ill buy another one just for hunting. I'm going to keep saving money and change out most everything. I'm debating between sending my trigger and bolt to brimstone and que or upgrading them with new parts.

tech30528
March 9, 2013, 09:37 PM
No doubt about that.

Listen, I have that stainless carbine with a Blackhawk Axiom stock on it, with the Simmons 3x9 and a rifle strap it comes in at just over 5 pounds and is excellent for a carry rifle in the woods. It is my lowest cost rifle and the one I tend to grab first. If you go aluminum barrel you will come in under 5 pounds.

Wtlj
March 10, 2013, 10:52 AM
No doubt about that.

Listen, I have that stainless carbine with a Blackhawk Axiom stock on it, with the Simmons 3x9 and a rifle strap it comes in at just over 5 pounds and is excellent for a carry rifle in the woods. It is my lowest cost rifle and the one I tend to grab first. If you go aluminum barrel you will come in under 5 pounds.

So your using the factory barrel and just changed the stock out?

Picher
March 10, 2013, 11:11 AM
BEDDING 10-22s

The receiver of the 10-22 has only one stock screw. If the barrel band is to be eliminated (or isn't used on that stock) or a heavy barrel is installed, I recommend an epoxy bedding material shim placed near the end of the forend. There should be about 6-7 lbs of uplift provided as the epoxy sets up. If the receiver is bedded and there is no forend pad, the rear of the action will not be very stable in the stock.

The most common way of doing providing uplift on the barrel is to place uncured epoxy in the barrel channel about 1 1/2" long, install the barreled action in the pre-epoxy-bedded stock with the uncured epoxy pad. Place the forend in a padded vise, upside-down and hang a paint can of the desired (uplift) weight on the barrel near the end of the receiver. After it sets up, disassemble, clean up the pad edges and you're good to go.

Complete low-cost accurizing instructions are found in my Tips and Tricks posts at Rimfirecentral.com. I don't discuss my trigger improving methods, but mention it's necessary to re-harden parts.

Wtlj
March 10, 2013, 11:33 AM
BEDDING 10-22s

The receiver of the 10-22 has only one stock screw. If the barrel band is to be eliminated (or isn't used on that stock) or a heavy barrel is installed, I recommend an epoxy bedding material shim placed near the end of the forend. There should be about 6-7 lbs of uplift provided as the epoxy sets up. If the receiver is bedded and there is no forend pad, the rear of the action will not be very stable in the stock.

The most common way of doing providing uplift on the barrel is to place uncured epoxy in the barrel channel about 1 1/2" long, install the barreled action in the pre-epoxy-bedded stock with the uncured epoxy pad. Place the forend in a padded vise, upside-down and hang a paint can of the desired (uplift) weight on the barrel near the end of the receiver. After it sets up, disassemble, clean up the pad edges and you're good to go.

Complete low-cost accurizing instructions are found in my Tips and Tricks posts at Rimfirecentral.com. I don't discuss my trigger improving methods, but mention it's necessary to re-harden parts.

Thanks, can I use the same method if I upgrade to a boyds tacticool stock and 18" GM stainless barrel.

I wouldn't mind doing DIY upgrades I'm very hands On. Just would need a good right up or guidance. My dad gave me a grand master action and trigger upgrade kit that I installed which included:
-bell & Carlson extended mag release
-automatic bolt release
-reduced power hammer spring
-reduced power trigger spring
-reduced power sear spring
-"match" oversize trigger sear pin
-blue max bolt buffer (hardened core)
-"match" hammer-trigger shims
Kit is supposed to reduce trigger pull by 48% and clean up play in trigger.

I just figured with how cheap the kit was $40 on eBay from a few years back that was still new in package he didn't use, it would be best just to pull all that out and start over with brimstone or better parts or should I use that as a starting point?

tech30528
March 10, 2013, 11:34 AM
Yes. It is not quite as tight as my target rifle with the Majestic barrel on it but it is certainly minute of squirrel out past 75 yards and is wonderful to carry at that weight. I've come to really appreciate the factory stainless barrel. If you want to build a taget one do that with a different rifle. That stainless wants to hunt.

Greycliff gunman
March 10, 2013, 07:49 PM
You have me thinking. I have an old beat up rusty 10/22 with cheap 4 power Navajo scope. I paid 80 bucks for it 15 years a go. Shoots fine and all and I just throw it in the truck whenever. Its fun to shoot. But would like to upgrade it a bit. Its blued with a plain stock nothing fancy. I was thinking of a 16 inch barrel with a flash hider and an aftermarket lightweight stock. Upgrading the scope get rid of the leather sling and slap on a butler creek. I hunt stupid chickens ( spruce hens) snow shoe hares and plinking. What about putting a folding stock on it? I want something light and compact. Probably keep it blacked out. No stainless. Maybe just shorten this 18 inch barrel and have it coated.

Wtlj
March 11, 2013, 09:00 PM
Yes. It is not quite as tight as my target rifle with the Majestic barrel on it but it is certainly minute of squirrel out past 75 yards and is wonderful to carry at that weight. I've come to really appreciate the factory stainless barrel. If you want to build a taget one do that with a different rifle. That stainless wants to hunt.

Are you referring to the stock stainless barrel

Wtlj
March 12, 2013, 10:56 PM
I think I've finally picked everything out but haven't ordered anything yet, let me know what you think.

Stock: boyds tacticool
Barrel: 18" .920 SS Green Mountain
Trigger: brimstone tier 2
Bolt: Que rework
Charging handle: kidd
Guide rod and spring: kidd
Bolt buffer: kidd
Magazine release: ???
Scope: ???
I plan to polish and jewl my receiver, bolt and trigger myself, should be a fun project. Any other advice or things I should add to the mechanicals?

Geno
March 12, 2013, 11:08 PM
I like the ArchAngel, AR-style set-up for the 10/22. Good price, and ArchAngel makes a very good product!

Geno

Wtlj
March 12, 2013, 11:21 PM
I like the ArchAngel, AR-style set-up for the 10/22. Good price, and ArchAngel makes a very good product!

Geno

Thanks but i have no interest in the plastic tactical look.

Magoo
March 13, 2013, 12:06 PM
Absolutely nothing against Brimstone's services, but if you want more a more DIY approach folks really seem to like Kidd's trigger parts kit. I haven't used one, but my two Kidd triggers are the cat's meow.

Que's work is great. His prices are very reasonable and he gets stuff turned around fast. Heck of a nice guy too.

Magazine release: whatever floats your boat. It's kinda tough to guess at what you might prefer without having the chance to try some out. I'm happy with the medium length ones like Kidd offers. I've got no need or desire for those that follow the contour of the trigger guard but some folks love 'em.

Scope: you'll find lots of praise over on RFC for the Mueller scopes. I've got an APV and am plenty happy with it though I want more magnification for bench shooting.

Wtlj
March 13, 2013, 06:07 PM
Absolutely nothing against Brimstone's services, but if you want more a more DIY approach folks really seem to like Kidd's trigger parts kit. I haven't used one, but my two Kidd triggers are the cat's meow.

Que's work is great. His prices are very reasonable and he gets stuff turned around fast. Heck of a nice guy too.

Magazine release: whatever floats your boat. It's kinda tough to guess at what you might prefer without having the chance to try some out. I'm happy with the medium length ones like Kidd offers. I've got no need or desire for those that follow the contour of the trigger guard but some folks love 'em.

Scope: you'll find lots of praise over on RFC for the Mueller scopes. I've got an APV and am plenty happy with it though I want more magnification for bench shooting.

I was told those kidd trigger kits are built to the tighter tolerances of a the plastic trigger groups and unfortunately mines metal. :(

Magoo
March 13, 2013, 07:46 PM
Yup. On the bright side you've got a metal assembly that you can polish and play with if you want. And I haven't heard anything but good reviews of Brimstone's work and customer service.

EDIT: there was definitely a lot of chatter on RFC about getting Kidd's kit to work in metal trigger group assemblies. I can't remember the concensus answer and I'm too lazy to look it up for you right now, but threads should be easy to find under 10/22 - trigger subforum searches. Look for threads longer than 3 pages. They don't call 'em "ten tweaky twos" for no reason- where there's a will (and/or $), there's a way.

DesertFox
March 13, 2013, 08:18 PM
The 10/22 that has been lying around here the longest was born a Sporter Deluxe, which comes without barrel band and has checkering on the stock w/ 18" barrel. You'd never know it now as it is in a FDE Blackhawk AXIOM stock w/ a factory 16" barrel off of the CCR model, Bushnell 3-9x on elevated rings so irons still work, extended mag release. Love this little setup. Only thing that 10/22 lacks is last shot bolt hold open, the "HK91 flaw".

Picher
March 13, 2013, 08:57 PM
A good scope for target shooting with a 10-22 is the Mueller 4-14X AO. They only cost about $150, but have amazing optics.

If you're looking for a plinking scope, there are all kinds of 3-9x variables out there, just remember to get a rimfire scope, so the parallax is adjusted to 50 yards, not 100 or 150, like centerfire scopes. Adjustable objective (AO) scopes are necessary for scopes over 9X.

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