Woman Gets Criminal Record for Petting Dog


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Moparmike
March 12, 2004, 02:57 AM
Woman Gets Criminal Record for Petting Dog


By Associated Press

March 11, 2004, 10:01 AM EST


SAN JOSE, Calif. -- All Tamar Sherman wanted to do was pet a dog and give it some water. Sherman's act left her with a criminal record.

A few months ago, Sherman was walking near her South San Jose home and encountered a dog left outside in the cold while its owners were inside.

Sherman, a member of a national group called Dogs Deserve Better, decided to pet the dog on a few occassions and once gave it water. That didn't please the dog's owner.

"When I went out there to fill up the dog bowl, this woman was standing in my back yard," attorney Ron Berki told the San Jose Mercury News. "My response was, `Who ... are you?' She told me, `I'm here to pet your dog.'"

For that, Sherman pleaded guilty this week to two misdemeanors -- trespassing and prowling -- and was sentenced to 75 hours of community service and a year of probation. She also was ordered to stay at least 100 yards away from Berki's home.

"I just wanted to find out if a dog that seemed to be in distress was OK," Sherman told the paper. "I do not think my actions were a crime in comparison with abuse or neglect of +animals+."

Berki denies that his dog, Bailey, was abused or neglected, saying the dog sleeps inside with him every night.

"If Miss Sherman was so concerned about my dog, it would have been easy to come to my front door and speak to me directly," he said.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-dog-lover-rebuked,0,776565.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

What I find appalling is how easy it is to abuse a law in my home town (where this didnt happen) relating to this issue, where trespassing to ensure the welfare of an animal is perfectly legal if you beleive its life is in danger, IIRC. Now while I dont condone trespassing nor the mistreatment of animals (infact, I treat my dog like she is my own child *pets fwappy-eared beagawy poopy-dawg :)* ) , I can see many people abusing this law here. We have had Animal Control called at least a half-dozen times because we let our dog out from noon to 3pm and she barks at squirrels. :rolleyes: Even had a neighbor fake a neighborhood coalition and ask that we "discipline the dog not to bark." :rolleyes: :scrutiny:

This lady needs a good dose of common sense. Like I said above, I love my dog like she is my own, and if I saw some stranger in my yard they might be looking down the wrong end of a 12ga persuasion stick if they decide to get uncooperative. :eek: Some of us dont take kindly to trespassing, yet a knock on the door is well recieved. Logic, its whats for dinner.™

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Stand_Watie
March 12, 2004, 03:12 AM
I'm so sick of news headlines that are deliberately deceptive.

She got a criminal record for trespassing and prowling, not dog petting. If she comes creepin' about my dooryard after dark she had better pray that it's me that comes out with the shotgun and not my more nervously dispositioned wife.

OTOH, if she thinks my dogs need more TLC and she wanted to pet them she'd be welcome to at any reasonable hour - provided she asked first!

HunterGatherer
March 12, 2004, 03:13 AM
All Tamar Sherman wanted to do was pet a dog and give it some water.BS all she wanted to do was be a blissninny PITA. The stupid #$%& needs to mind her own damned business.

clubsoda22
March 12, 2004, 03:19 AM
It's not like this woman called the cops on them for abusing their animal. she just walked onto someones lawn and proceeded to pet their dog. Those other comments came after she was charged.

Frohickey
March 12, 2004, 03:35 AM
Here is Tamar Sherman's contact info

Lafayette, California
Tamar Sherman • 408.269.3236 • e-mail tamaronyx@cs.com

She is listed as the area coordinator for the Lafayette area. What is she doing in San Jose?

Here is the Dogs Deserve Better (http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/reps.html) website. Hope that they always follow the laws.

(I post this because I seriously dislike butt-in-skis. I guess it goes back to watching Bewitched when I was young. The character,Mrs. Kravitz, in the series was a butt-in-ski.)

c_yeager
March 12, 2004, 05:59 AM
Yeah, she was jsut tresspasing ont heir property out of concern for someone elses animal. its just cooincidence that she belongs to an organization that believes that dogs should ONLY be kept in the living room. right. I catch some PETA blissninny in my backyard they are going to jail too.

MicroBalrog
March 12, 2004, 06:09 AM
And nobody sees anything wrong with it?

Marko Kloos
March 12, 2004, 06:16 AM
Woman Gets Criminal Record for Petting Dog

No, she got the criminal record for trespassing.

And nobody sees anything wrong with it?

With private property laws? Nope.

MicroBalrog
March 12, 2004, 06:31 AM
Oh, but of course there's no difference between trespassing on someone's unfenced lawn and petting their dog and breaking down their door and robbing them! She's as bad as the common goblin!:neener:

Stand_Watie
March 12, 2004, 06:48 AM
Oh, but of course there's no difference between trespassing on someone's unfenced lawn and petting their dog and breaking down their door and robbing them! She's as bad as the common goblin

I wouldn't say she's as bad as a common goblin, but I highly doubt that all she did was walk onto the lawn, once - and then the police immediately swooped in to arrest her.

Pled guilty to trespassing AND prowling? Anybody from California up on the statutes? The states I've lived in you have to tell a person to leave and they refuse, they ignore posted signs, or climb fences to be guilty of trespassing. I'm guessing she's an animal rights activist - and intended to be arrested to get attention for her cause.

tiberius
March 12, 2004, 07:22 AM
Oh, but of course there's no difference between trespassing on someone's unfenced lawn and petting their dog and breaking down their door and robbing them! She's as bad as the common goblin! You’re showing your ignorance of American law again. :) Breaking and entering would be a felony. Trespassing and prowling are misdemeanors. She won’t serve any jail time. She’s a blissninny activist that intruded into someone’s business and I’m glad to see that the law apparently took the right side here. If she really suspected abuse she should have called the authorities, but the results seem to indicate that there was no abuse going on here. She just wanted to start trouble with someone else’s property.

MicroBalrog
March 12, 2004, 07:25 AM
.You’re showing your ignorance of American law again.
I think you don't get my point

jsalcedo
March 12, 2004, 07:30 AM
I had a similar problem. When I was a kid the neigbors had a roommate move out and leave their doberman behind.

The scummy lowlifes who remained in the house hardly fed or watered the dog. The dogs chain would get wrapped around the pole and the it would spend long hours stuck. The neighbors were out of town a lot
so I would go over, unknown to them unwrap the dog give it food and water and pet it.

This went on for a while until finally I asked the scumbag crackheads if I could take care of their dog for them. They asked if I wanted it.

My dad took it to his work and made it a watch dog.

I can understand where the lady is coming from. I figured if I called the cops
the dog would be put to sleep and the drug crazed neighbors would come kill me.

Maybe it could have been settled differently but it sounds like they threw the book at her for being a dog loving kook.

only1asterisk
March 12, 2004, 07:45 AM
Micro,

You had a point?


David

Chipper
March 12, 2004, 07:46 AM
Oh, but of course there's no difference between trespassing on someone's unfenced lawn and petting their dog and breaking down their door and robbing them! She's as bad as the common goblin!

This kind of thinking is born of ignorance. Ignorance of a little thing called property rights. Any and all attempts to ignore or thwart property rights erodes liberty and promotes chaos when those attempts are successful. No one has a right to be on my property unless I grant that right. Ms. Sherman was clearly in the wrong. Had it not been for the interference of government she would have been allowed to gaze deeply into a muzzle and gain enlightenment as to the error of her way...truly a life-changing experience.

Property rights - it what civilization exists on.

Chipper

tiberius
March 12, 2004, 08:33 AM
I think you don't get my point your original post Oh, but of course there's no difference between trespassing on someone's unfenced lawn and petting their dog and breaking down their door and robbing them! She's as bad as the common goblin!You are EQUATING B&E with trespassing through sarcasm. They are NOT equal and she wasn't treated as a B&E suspect (from the article at least), but she was treated as athe criminal she is. If you have more of a point than that, then yes I missed it, but the error is not on my part.

I think it's just more of your sarcastic socialist drivel..... IMHO of course :)

Greg L
March 12, 2004, 08:38 AM
A few months ago, Sherman was walking near her South San Jose home and encountered a dog left outside in the cold while its owners were inside.

A few months ago would have been in the fall. How cold could it have been in San Jose in October, especially if this twit was out taking a stroll? Having grown up a little further north (Castro Valley for those in the area ;) ) I know that even in the middle of winter about the worst that you will encounter is a little bit of frost first thing in the morning. Also, don't most houses in the area have a 6' tall privacy fence enclosing the backyard? So she either hopped the fence or unlocked a gate to get in there.

Now when my neighbor's dogs are outside & I'm passing by I'll usually stop & lean over his fence to scratch their ears. But I would never think of going into his yard uninvited to play with them. Likewise, when one of their dogs gets out when they aren't home, I'll throw the dog in my backyard to play with mine until they get home. Every time this has happened they ring the doorbell to let me know that they are going into my yard to get their dog.

It's just a simple thing called respect & it is obvious that this cretin doesn't have any for anyone else.

Il Duce
March 12, 2004, 09:13 AM
Oh no! I know people that actually have their pets *living* outside 24/7 ::sniff, sniff::, in doghouses ::whimper::, with a chain attached to their collar :eek: Oh, the humanity!!! Won't someone stand up for the poor animals??? :rolleyes:

I have a dog that I love dearly, but that doesn't mean he's no longer an animal. He sleeps on the floor, relieves himself outside, and better darn well come when I call. These blissninnies put more importance on an animal's life than a human's. :scrutiny:

Stand_Watie
March 12, 2004, 09:25 AM
Maybe it could have been settled differently but it sounds like they threw the book at her for being a dog loving kook.

If it were a case such as you described re your own situation, then I heartily agree with you that it is an injustice.

I just don't think it very likely that that was the case. I can't imagine getting that reponse from the leo's that I have known if I were to have demanded they prosecute someone for petting my dog, if that person left my property when I told them to.

JohnBT
March 12, 2004, 10:19 AM
`I'm here to pet your dog.'

I don't spit coffee often, but that was one of them. John

hvengel
March 12, 2004, 12:32 PM
The law in Calif. is that if the property is not posted or fenced the person must be asked to leave before they can be cited for trespassing. In most cases the police will arrive and ask the person to leave and then site them only if they do not comply even if the property is fenced or posted. So this person either went into a fenced yard or refused to leave after being asked to leave.

F4GIB
March 12, 2004, 12:53 PM
Don't call her.

Call this a$$ - "attorney Ron Berki". Tel. (408)971-1160

He's a big cheese. http://www.smartvoter.org/2002/03/05/ca/scl/vote/berki_r/bio.html

You know there would have been no prosecution for this minor incident if he hadn't made a pest of himself at the DA's office.

tfurey19
March 12, 2004, 01:47 PM
a Felon in the city of New York. Gun rights gone forever.

grnzbra
March 12, 2004, 03:31 PM
One more misdemeanor and Sherman officially becomes

Good, send her over to my place to pester my dog.

Frohickey
March 12, 2004, 03:46 PM
You know there would have been no prosecution for this minor incident if he hadn't made a pest of himself at the DA's office.

Actually, I agree with the lawyer/victim in this case.

Ron Berki did not initiate action against Tamar Sherman.

HunterGatherer
March 12, 2004, 04:18 PM
Oh, but of course there's no difference between trespassing on someone's unfenced lawn and petting their dog and breaking down their door and robbing them! She's as bad as the common goblin!It's this sort of non sequitur nonsense that shines through in nearly all of your posts. I suppose that since you are a marxist troll, that we we should all expect that you will never be banned from THR, and therefore we must all just accept it. But I just want to go on record and call you out for it.

This woman is subject to American laws. She broke those laws, and was found guilty. I know that it probably offends a marxist like yourself that Americans enjoy property rights. Get over it.

Oh, and stop using "we". You are a foreigner. Feel free to use "we" when describing a group that includes you, but when refering to America - and her laws/customs/etc... you are emphatically not part of "we".


:fire:

Stinger
March 12, 2004, 06:29 PM
HunterGatherer

What are you doing in my head? I was just thinking something very similar.


Micro - do you have to be so negative about every single post?

Does somebody need a hug?

Regards,

Stinger :)

M1911Owner
March 12, 2004, 08:18 PM
A few months ago, Sherman was walking near her South San Jose home and encountered a dog left outside in the colHello from Palo Alto, about 10 miles north of San Jose. It hasn't been cold here in something like ten years, when we had a few days of freezing weather that burst above-ground water piping. It certainly wasn't "cold" "a few months ago."

Marko Kloos
March 12, 2004, 08:27 PM
I was wondering about that bit myself this morning. How freakin' cold does it ever get in San Jose, anyway? I know a few people from that general area who don't even own jackets.

Not that this is relevant, though...

Hkmp5sd
March 12, 2004, 08:31 PM
Micro - do you have to be so negative about every single post?
I think he was merely being facetious.

I'm somewhat undecided on this one. On one hand, unless there were "no trespassing" signs in the yard or the owners had seen her doing it before and told her to stop, I don't think they should nail her for trespassing. On the other hand, if she thought the dog was being abused by being left out in cold weather, she should have reported it to law enforcement and let them handle it.

How freakin' cold does it ever get in San Jose, anyway?
Just perception. Back when I lived in Hawaii and became acclimated to the weather, there were times I wore jackets at Waikiki Beach. A 20-25 degree change in temperature made 70 degrees seem quite chilly.

MicroBalrog
March 12, 2004, 08:41 PM
This woman is subject to American laws. She broke those laws, and was found guilty. I know that it probably offends a marxist like yourself that Americans enjoy property rights. Get over it.


What surprises me (and appalls me) is not the legal reaction (draconian as it was, given the information) was the other THR member reaction to a woman who - G-d Forbid! - actually petted another person's dog! Ah, the horrors! The owner's property rights were so horribly violated he/she still needs psychiatric help! Oh my god! The PETA people are eeeeevil! Jail them all! It's for the widle children!


Oh, and stop using "we". You are a foreigner. Feel free to use "we" when describing a group that includes you, but when refering to America - and her laws/customs/etc... you are emphatically not part of "we".

DISCLAIMER: In any posts by this author, "we" implies "We THR members".

Chris Rhines
March 12, 2004, 08:43 PM
I may well be wrong about this, but I understand that one can be accused of trespassing if one is ordered to leave another person's property, and one refuses.

- Chris

JohnBT
March 12, 2004, 09:09 PM
"I don't think they should nail her for trespassing."

Read the part of the story about her guilty pleas. If she thinks she's guilty who am I to argue.

I wonder how many times she really visited the dog? I wonder how much she spouted off when asked to leave - first by the homeowner and then by the police? I wonder if she had a thing for the dog? Well, actually, based on her repeat visits I have some suspicions.

She should get together with the guy on the plane who was trying to identify the air marshall. They could discuss their unique views of the world and their criminal records.

John

MicroBalrog
March 12, 2004, 09:11 PM
the guy on the plane who was trying to identify the air marshall

That's illegal?:what:

HunterGatherer
March 12, 2004, 09:45 PM
What surprises me (and appalls me) is not the legal reaction (draconian as it was, given the information) was the other THR member reaction to a woman who - G-d Forbid! - actually petted another person's dog! Ah, the horrors! The owner's property rights were so horribly violated he/she still needs psychiatric help! Oh my god! The PETA people are eeeeevil! Jail them all! It's for the widle children!Again with the BS.

The reaction is not to petting the dog as the marxist wank journalist would suggest. The reaction is to someone so lacking in a real life of their own that she would insinuate herself upon others BY TRESSPASSING ON THEIR PROPERTY!!! Is that clear enough for you?

Your marxist wetdreams to the contrary, Americans own, and control access to their own property. If this nosy hag wishes to pet dogs, she can very well go get herself some dogs, and rent/buy/lease some property to pet them on.

MicroBalrog
March 12, 2004, 09:50 PM
The reaction is to someone so lacking in a real life of their own that she would insinuate herself upon others BY TRESSPASSING ON THEIR PROPERTY!!!

"Oh honey, there's someone out there PETTING OUR DOG!"

"WHAT? GET ME MY SCOUT RIFLE!"

BANG! Clank! BANG! Clank! BANG!

"Goblin down!":neener: :neener: :neener:

Stand_Watie
March 12, 2004, 09:56 PM
The law in Calif. is that if the property is not posted or fenced the person must be asked to leave before they can be sited for trespassing. In most cases the police will arrive and ask the person to leave and then site them only if they do not comply even if the property is fenced or posted. So this person either went into a fenced yard or refused to leave after being asked to leave.

That's what I suspected. That makes me think that this woman did more than just pet a dog, and when the owner came out and told her to beat feet, say "ok, I'm sorry I'm leaving, I was just petting the dog, see you later"...

HunterGatherer
March 12, 2004, 10:26 PM
"Oh honey, there's someone out there PETTING OUR DOG!"

"WHAT? GET ME MY SCOUT RIFLE!"

BANG! Clank! BANG! Clank! BANG!

"Goblin down!"Show me where somone other than you even suggested such an absurdity troll.

gunsmith
March 12, 2004, 10:54 PM
lalalalalalalalalalallaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :neener:

It aint the cold we gots to worry bout here, in the winter it's the rain the rain the rain the rain the rain the rain the rain the rain.

Seems like a lot of facts are missing from the newspaper account. (shocking that,isn't it?).
What kind of dog? (if it was a pug then she has a point)
if it was a "husky" she was just a busybody.
How many times was she told to keep out of the yard?
was there a fence? is the yard posted?

This lady would hate my inlaws in northern AZ,the dogs stay out all year and(3ft of snow last yr) sleep in a old car,when they're pups if they can't take on the coyotes they don't grow up.

....my gut reaction is this lady is a "doggone" busybody and I hope she at least learns to knock on the door and ask about the next dog.
Whats next with this lady? B&E?

444
March 13, 2004, 01:52 AM
My dog doesn't spend more than a few minutes a day outside, but if she tried this at my house, SHE would be abused by my DOG.
In my dog's mind, he is second in command of the world. He might come over to you and request to be petted if he takes a liking to you and I am there. If you take that privilage upon yourself, he will put you in your place.

Oh, and he absolutely loves cold and snow and hates heat. In the house he lays on tile or in front of the air conditioning duct.

Hand_Rifle_Guy
March 13, 2004, 04:32 AM
At least for me.

Berki denies that his dog, Bailey, was abused or neglected, saying the dog sleeps inside with him every night.

"If Miss Sherman was so concerned about my dog, it would have been easy to come to my front door and speak to me directly," he said.

The silly twit could not be bothered to talk to the owner like a civilized person. She has to get freindly with the dog for months running until she's so used to the situation that tresspassing in this guy's yard feels normal, so that opening an unlocked gate into this guy's sideyard is the same as walking in the park.

She's lucky she didn't get bitten. I'm surprised the dog didn't bark at her initialy, labs can be pretty territorial sometimes. I find it hard to believe that any dog THAT friendly to strangers is ignored/abused. Sounds like it gets lots of love and attention.

Dogs aren't stupid either. If they get cold, they complain. Howling in the middle of the night will piss off the neighbors right quick, whereupon you get police or animal control pestering you about your problem animal.

Hunters will also confirm this, it's a Chocolate Labrador Retreiver, one of the BEST gun dogs you can get. You take them out in the winter time to hunt ducks and they happily charge into icy/freezing water to retrieve downed birds They have a nice thick, double-layer coat, and they grow a nice 'winter coat' that fills your vacuum cleaner with hairwads when the warm season arrives.

I lived in San Jose for two years. Rode my bike to work through one winter. It RARELY gets below freezing there, if it does, it's cause for local gossip and complaints on the effects on the exotic tropical plants we use in this silly state for landscaping in vast numbers.

I grew up with a boistrous black lab. In the thirteen years of that dog's life I cannot ONCE recall that dog ever being cold, even soaking wet from taking himself for a walk in the pouring rain for a couple of hours one early January. We had a storm blown down from Alaska, and it was pretty cold that week, about 35 degrees. We had to cover the orchids. The dog was goofy-happy when he came back, and soaked us all with cold muddy water when he shook-off in the house before we got to him with a towel.

That nosy ninny needs a lesson in manners. I hope she pays a STIFF fine, and I think she got off light. She could not be bothered to talk to the dog's owner, as she A) could read the guy's mind to discover his motives and the truth of the dog's situation, and B) of COURSE she knows better than any "ordinary" dog owner how to treat their pet.

The unmitigated gall. The insufferable presumption. The coarse, ill-mannered disrespect of another's judgement and lifestyle, based on nothing more than shallow wishful thinking.

Somebody really ought to call that girl's parents and ask them just what sort of a daughter they thought they were raising, as this twit barely merits the term "civilized". Maybe a lecture from Mom or Dad about how the real world works would sink in to her head, as I have no faith that running afoul of the law will do anything.

What the hell are you doing in my backyard?

Seems like such a simple question, right on the face of it. A flabbergasted exclamation, to be expected when one discovers an otherwise ordinary-looking person contravening simple rules the rest of us learned when we were six years old!

Only in the PRK. 'Swhy we callum Blissninnies...:rolleyes: :fire: :rolleyes: :banghead:

JohnBT
March 13, 2004, 07:47 AM
the guy on the plane who was trying to identify the air marshall
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"That's illegal?"

That's disingenuous.

When you start walking around the plane critiquing the passengers and acting like an idiot - then yes, it's going to get you arrested for disturbing the peace or something a bit more serious. The goofball, for instance, pointed out one passenger and said he couldn't be the air marshall because he was too fat. Heck, it sounds like the guy was trying to incite a riot. ;) Good thing the big fella didn't pop him in the mouth and then sit on him or he'd be under arrest too.

You know, they have announced at least once or twice that they're not going to put up with any foolishness or stupidity.

John

chaim
March 14, 2004, 03:14 AM
Don't call her.

Call this a$$ - "attorney Ron Berki".

Hmm, lets look at a few quotes from the website you posted about this "a$$ attorney"

--
"Ron Berki has earned the reputation as a staunch advocate of justice, working tirelessly on behalf of low-income residents. During 1982 and 1983 he was commended by the State Bar of California Board of Governors for being "outstanding in the delivery of pro bono and low cost services to the poor". Throughout his career Ron Berki has donated numerous hours and thousands of dollars worth of time in legal fees to the elderly and Alzheimer patients.
"
--

"An overwhelmingly effective Judge, Ron Berki presided over hundreds of cases and brings a rare compassion for crime victims to the court.
"
--
"he has worked with the Boy Scouts of America, coached youth soccer and little league baseball for many years. Ron has also served as a Career Day mentor for high school students interested in the legal profession. Continuing his commitment to youth and community Ron Berki has served as treasurer and a member of the Board of Directors of the Santa Clara County Bar Association Barristers Club. "
--



Man what a bastard!
:rolleyes:


I guess in your world if you are the victim of a crime, including a minor one like trespassing, you are only due justice if you aren't a lawyer.

Frohickey
March 14, 2004, 06:28 PM
Man what a bastard! :rolleyes:

I guess in your world if you are the victim of a crime, including a minor one like trespassing, you are only due justice if you aren't a lawyer.

Yeah. Don't you know that you are instantly a bastard if you are a 'rich' person that owns your own property. How dare you fence and gate of a piece of land? It doesn't matter if you are the one paying property taxes on it? Thats the people's land. Don't you know of the harm people have caused Gaia? You are lucky you don't have a giant redwood on your property, cuz me and my friend Little Sparrow, would go up that tree and treesit, and pee and ????? down the sides of that tree, and throw our gabage down, and set up elaborate rope and pulley systems. And if Little Sparrow falls down the redwood and breaks her back, I'm gonna sue your *ss for reckless endangerment, not to mention call for ambulance service.

[end_sarcasm]

artherd
March 14, 2004, 11:11 PM
BACK YARD?!

***?

Ok, there's nothing wrong with playing with a nice pooch over the fence, or sitting on the first few feet of lawn (usually sidewalk easements extend 5 feet into the property anyway.) But when you sneak into the BACK YARD of an OCCUPIED house, that's over the limit kids.



Yeah, like that time I was innocently in her back yard, controling the goose population with my Benelli. Naked. While drinking.

I'm sure she would have used her innocent charm and good heart to bake me some cookies, or something.


PS: I live near San Jose. I didn't wear a jacket this year. At all.

It has snowed where I live though. Once. In twenty-two years. Got a whole 0.75". I was outside playing in it. In a T-shirt.

Frohickey
March 15, 2004, 01:19 PM
It has snowed where I live though. Once. In twenty-two years. Got a whole 0.75". I was outside playing in it. In a T-shirt.

you forgot... for 10 minutes... before it melted. :D

Greg L
March 15, 2004, 02:00 PM
It has snowed where I live though. Once. In twenty-two years. Got a whole 0.75".

Back in elementary school we had the same thing happen (probably the same "blizzard" :D ). We were let out of class to go play in it. Everyone got together & we had a snowball fight - we threw the same one at each other :D .

Greg

Cosmoline
March 15, 2004, 02:12 PM
Ever since "dog loving" extremists tried to kidnap my dog, I'm very skeptical of their side of the story.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68875&highlight=Spenard

Also, we keep all our dogs outside. They have undercoats, and provided they have straw and igloos they are happy as clams. Bring them inside and they pant and moan from the heat.

These idiots think dogs are human children. They have truly warped minds--warped enough to grab my dog from a travel crate where she was eating her dinner and toss her into the back of an open-bed pickup!

Carlos Cabeza
March 15, 2004, 03:29 PM
I have a driveway that is approx. 100yd in length. It is also gated. Can you believe there are people who will park their car and walk to the front door to sell stuff or try to coerce me into attending their church.etc.etc?..........:rolleyes: I think one "NO TRESPASSING" sign is too many. How many do you need, Sheesh ! I think if the dog had bitten the woman, the outcome would have been very different.

RustyHammer
March 15, 2004, 04:01 PM
:fire:

M67
March 16, 2004, 11:51 AM
The dog was cold? In California?

That woman should have seen my brother's dog. It used to sleep at the foot end of his bed and they both liked to sleep with the window open regardless of season. I think the lowest temperature he has recorded in his bedroom in the morning was -7C, that's about 20 deg F. The dog always had a nice winter fur and lived to the age of 12, so it can't have been too harmful.

It has snowed where I live though. Once. In twenty-two years. Got a whole 0.75". Wow. What you Kalifornikans have to endure. :D

Last night I got stuck in the snow on my way into my own garage. Had to engage the four wheel drive to get unstuck. But spring is coming, we're now down to less than a foot of snow on the roof. :)

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