Guess what radio host endorses Cheaper than Dirt


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ba ba booey
March 2, 2013, 03:31 AM
Listening to Glenn Beck the other day, and had to laugh when he read an advertisement for Cheaper than Dirt. He went on and on about what a great business they are, how they are standing up for the 2nd Amendment, ect. :rolleyes:

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Humakavula
March 2, 2013, 03:33 AM
there is a cheaper than dirt advertisement on THIS website. The difference is that this website is tolerable compared to GB.

jackblack86
March 2, 2013, 04:54 AM
too funny

Reloadron
March 2, 2013, 08:11 AM
Listening to Glenn Beck the other day, and had to laugh when he read an advertisement for Cheaper than Dirt. He went on and on about what a great business they are, how they are standing up for the 2nd Amendment, ect. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I happen to catch that. Made my drive more humorous. :)

Ron

OilyPablo
March 2, 2013, 08:27 AM
Glenn at least owns guns.

He should know better. :D Maybe with enough money endorsements mean nothing;)

Sam1911
March 2, 2013, 09:54 AM
Ahhh...the confluence of two good ideas gone horribly, horribly awry.

beatledog7
March 2, 2013, 11:30 AM
I'm sort of a Beck fan, mostly based on his love of and advocacy for personal freedom and liberty. I've never met anyone with whom I agree on every detail of that, and I never will.

danweasel
March 2, 2013, 11:34 AM
For something to be truly funny there needs to be a good amount of truth in it. Which explains why I choked on my coffee reading Sam1911's post.


-Dan

r1derbike
March 2, 2013, 12:31 PM
GB is a love/hate entertainment source for me too. Come to think of it beatledog7 has it right. Love/hate for entertainers across the board. I did get an ad in the email from CTD recently. The prices for some ammo were OK, but I won't buy from them again. That's going to really sting them. I've only purchased from them 1 time during their existence.

Akita1
March 2, 2013, 12:35 PM
GB is a love/hate entertainment source for me too. Come to think of it beatledog7 has it right. Love/hate for entertainers across the board. I did get an ad in the email from CTD recently. The prices for some ammo were OK, but I won't buy from them again. That's going to really sting them. I've only purchased from them 1 time during their existence.
Echo that, forget CTD; Back goes off the ranch quite a but but I think, much like a child, he has no filter and discernment isn't his strongest suit.

hang fire
March 2, 2013, 12:42 PM
What ever is said negative about Beck, I can say the same twice over about whoever one's fav talk radio show host is.

Don't be bashful. who are your favorite talk show hosts?

Sam1911
March 2, 2013, 12:46 PM
who are your favorite talk show hosts?None. Can't stand such things. They all seem to suffer from an irrational belief that others want to listen to them. And some fools seem to be willing to reinforce that belief.

Few truly important concepts can be comprehensively explained through such formats, so we're left with two sides of an issue using hyperbole and ridicule, bombast and vitriol, to try and herd their flocks into one corner of the ring or the other. Disguising nominal philosophical theory alignment for actual thought, and volume for enlightenment.

It is hardly more palatable to listen to "our" side engage in such behavior than it is to tune into the drivel put out by the "other" side. And then folks are SHOCKED when one of "our" talking heads doesn't understand or "get" our view of an issue we thought he'd support just because he's a self-declared conservative.

It's all brain rot, mental junk food -- just pick your preferred flavor.

OilyPablo
March 2, 2013, 12:50 PM
When I'm working in my shop and get tired of music, I do listen.

Beck is actually a local guy here. I want to agree with him. He's just a little nuts.

Medved is probably my favorite, and generally he is pro-Constitution and 2nd, but he says some odd things like the 2nd Amendment doesn't protect interstate sales of firearms. Technically the 2nd Amendment does not mention such matters, but.....the RKBA and other clauses can be combined.

PlaneJain
March 2, 2013, 12:51 PM
"Glenn at least owns guns.

He should know better. Maybe with enough money endorsements mean nothing"

or more than likely only has guns because of all the nut jobs that want to see him gone. So being kind of busy with his daily radio show, etc, and not knowing much about the gun market doesn't follow the gun culture in the last few months. CTD could have made this deal with Beck Months ago before they were even thought of as scum bags.

PlaneJain
March 2, 2013, 12:54 PM
SAM 1911 "None. Can't stand such things. They all seem to suffer from an irrational belief that others want to listen to them. And some fools seem to be willing to reinforce that belief."


So if you don't listen to him or any, how would you know they are bad? ;)

Sam1911
March 2, 2013, 12:55 PM
Just because I don't tune in doesn't mean I don't look into popular personalities whose names come up frequently. I've yet to be very happy that I did.

zorro45
March 2, 2013, 12:58 PM
GB is with us on 2A. His book selection would also be pretty good for kids to help counter the usual liberal swill they are brainwashed with regarding the founders etc.

hang fire
March 2, 2013, 12:58 PM
there is a cheaper than dirt advertisement on THIS website. The difference is that this website is tolerable compared to GB.
That is funny right there. The THR may be many things, but tolerable is not one of them, they are a benign dictatorship, the THR way, or the highway. And that is exactly the way it has to be, otherwise the THR would turn into naught but chaotic bedlam


CTD also avertises on Beck's TV program The Blaze. (channel 212 on Dish Network)

scaatylobo
March 2, 2013, 01:02 PM
My favorite talk show hosts are Cigar Dave and Grisham,they tell it like it is and they know their subject and neither of them would stick their foot in their mouth like Coumo did with his shrill "you dont need a 10 round mag in an assault rifle to hunt deer".

Cannot tell in words printable how annoyed that made me = REALLY.

He did not ask anyone if it was legal or possible [ and done by myself ] to hunt deer in HIS state with an M-4/AR-15 platform rifle.

The answer is YES,so I appreciate those talk show hosts that do research and happen to be conservative by chance :D.

Sam1911
March 2, 2013, 01:03 PM
but tolerable is not one of them
He didn't say "tolerant," he said "tolerable." Meaning, "able to be tolerated." He was just saying he likes it here and doesn't like it there.

they are a benign dictatorshipMore correctly, an oligarchy. There is no one ruler, but a committee of peers who decide major issues and policies. :)

The_Armed_Therapist
March 2, 2013, 01:13 PM
I cringe a little when he calls himself a Libertarian. He may be a "libertarian-leaning" Conservative, but he is still clearly a Conservative. He's also one of these guys who thinks Conservative = Libertarian. They are separated by very different philosophical premises. A little frustrating. LOL

Fishslayer
March 2, 2013, 01:14 PM
Listening to Glenn Beck the other day, and had to laugh when he read an advertisement for Cheaper than Dirt. He went on and on about what a great business they are, how they are standing up for the 2nd Amendment, ect. :rolleyes:

They're a sponsor. That's his job. Need to remember that about endorsements and "reviews."

The_Armed_Therapist
March 2, 2013, 01:14 PM
Almost everyone is tolerable to me, including Beck. I am a therapist, after all... :D

Hk Dan
March 2, 2013, 01:21 PM
I find Beck a little whiney for my taste. There is always some crisis, which he saw coming but nobody else did, yadda, yadda, yadda. I no longer listen to him, and it doesnt surprise me in the least that he would make such a statement and believe it himself.

Dan

WSM MAGNUM
March 2, 2013, 01:52 PM
Ohh man, the irony is so laughable on some comments on this topic.

psyopspec
March 2, 2013, 01:59 PM
who are your favorite talk show hosts?

He isn't played where I'm currently working, but in the past I've found Jason Lewis to be the least intolerable of the bunch.

JohnBT
March 2, 2013, 02:00 PM
"Almost everyone is tolerable to me, including Beck. I am a therapist"

I was paid to work with my clients. I can't think of a reason to listen to Beck.

Sam Cade
March 2, 2013, 02:08 PM
I can't think of a reason to listen to Beck.

If I happen to hear him I try to think of it as SIGINT.

Lateck
March 2, 2013, 06:10 PM
CTD has been advertising with GB for some time. Before this current run of problems.
I tune Beck in quite often. Whiny at times, yes. Overboard at times, yes. But, he is an entertainer, with a common man's view. (Imho). :D

Lateck,

wingman
March 2, 2013, 06:27 PM
Somewhat surprised at the anti-Beck threads, he has a TV show/network of his own actually has a good supply of news also history information which I like, much prefer it to mainstream media, ABC, CBS,NBC no truth found unless it's accidental. Perhaps someone here can steer me to the programs giving good info.;)

Coop45
March 2, 2013, 06:52 PM
The Early Morning Farm Report will just about tell you what your pigs are worth. Although the one that went "we we we we" is usually underpriced.

MuleRyder
March 2, 2013, 07:25 PM
I like Beck regardless of his sponsors. I especially like that fact that he's very vocal of his support of 2a.

Grassman
March 2, 2013, 07:43 PM
CTD is dead to me.

The_Armed_Therapist
March 2, 2013, 07:59 PM
I was paid to work with my clients. I can't think of a reason to listen to Beck.

LOL! True indeed. :)

ACP
March 2, 2013, 08:07 PM
Beck got something wrong? Shocker.
I didn't know people still listened to him.... is he on shortwave or something?

Spymaster
March 2, 2013, 08:14 PM
The rank hypocrisy of this thread is a perfect example of what has killed America, proof positive just how far left this site has drifted.

Sam Cade
March 2, 2013, 08:44 PM
is he on shortwave or something?

I think the is part of the Father Coughlin radio network these days.

Seriously though, lot of parallels between the two.

BullfrogKen
March 2, 2013, 08:52 PM
CTD has advertised on Beck's show for quite some time.

So does Liberty Safes.


I enjoy Beck, even if at times I find his analysis about as incisive as a 10th grader's.

schildgen
March 2, 2013, 09:22 PM
I bet most of the people replying to this thread don't/ haven't listened to Glenn Beck in several years, heck no one even mentioned his internet news network and his daily internet show. Nor has any one mentioned that Glenn Beck tried to buy Al Gore's Current TV network, which Al Gore wouldn't do and instead Gore chose to sell the network to Al Jazeera TV. Try googling Blaze TV.

Oh, I haven't bought anything from CTD in ten years, but that's the beauty of capitalism, it's your business and you're free to do what you want, and as a consumer you're free to support any business that you chose to.

Alan LA
March 2, 2013, 09:29 PM
Never been a big listener to Beck, but I do enjoy the commentary of Mark Levin occasionally.

OilyPablo
March 2, 2013, 09:34 PM
I forgot about Levin - catch 20 minutes of him on the way home M-Th. (how the heck could I do that?). He's spares no abuse on RINO's. Love it.

farmer pliers
March 2, 2013, 09:47 PM
I read a lot of post on a lot of sites but seldom do I reply. Glen Beck stands up for the Constitution,and freedom. He has a passion for this country[ as you and I do] that is being dismantled right before our eyes. We should recognize who our friends are and who is against us. He is a strong friend of ours in fact I think he is one of the keynote speakers at this years NRA convention. We will never win this battle if we don't stand together.

Bartholomew Roberts
March 2, 2013, 09:52 PM
I don't buy from CTD because they priced too high for me; but they donated $100k to SAF and are supporting the boycott against government in occupied areas. Whatever problem you might have with them, they do appear to support the Second Amendment.

radar1972
March 2, 2013, 09:58 PM
I listened to Glenn Beck on WFLA (AM) in Tampa, FL from 2000-2002 before he hit the national stage. It was an afternoon drive-time program that concentrated more on funny current events and comedic gags and almost nothing political. He was a hoot back then. Never listen to or watch him now.

orionengnr
March 2, 2013, 10:49 PM
At least Glenn has sponsors who support the 2A, although (in the case of CTD) they may be uber-capitalists....

You can say what you wish about CDT. I am not a big fan--I have one semi-local and stop by once a year or so, but seldom buy anything. Yes, they are overpriced (who isn't these days?).

I doubt that Glenn shops at CTD and pays full retail for their ammo. I don't imagine he paid full pop for his Liberty safe either. I would bet that he is blissfully unaware of their pricing policies, which is unfortunate, but not a deal-breaker for me.

On the serious plus side, he doesn't take money from (George Soros-backed) Progressive Insurance, B of A or any number of companies that are demonstrably anti-Constitution.

Pick your battles.

CZguy
March 2, 2013, 11:31 PM
or more than likely only has guns because of all the nut jobs that want to see him gone. So being kind of busy with his daily radio show, etc, and not knowing much about the gun market doesn't follow the gun culture in the last few months. CTD could have made this deal with Beck Months ago before they were even thought of as scum bags.


Actually, many of us have thought of CTD as scum bags from the last time they took advantage of people.

Spymaster
March 2, 2013, 11:43 PM
Actually, many of us have thought of CTD as scum bags from the last time they took advantage of people.
Took advantage of people? Its called "capitalism" for a reason, a reason that has clearly lost you somewhere along the way, no doubt due in large part to the socialist indoc you inculcated as you traversed the public school system.

Fishslayer
March 3, 2013, 12:10 AM
Don't be bashful. who are your favorite talk show hosts?

Art Bell back in the day...

Elkins45
March 3, 2013, 12:53 AM
Beck is often hilarious, although truth be told I think the interplay between he and his producer Stu often makes for the funnier moments. Beck came on my favorite AM station shortly after 9-11 and I really took to his very insightful gallows humor.

As the years have passed I have found him to be increasingly alarmist and just a bit too "chicken little" for my tastes....but he still makes me laugh anytime he's not in his downer mode.

I doubt Beck was buying cases of PMags after Sandy Hook, so I have no reason to believe he knows what most of his target demo thinks about CTD.

hang fire
March 3, 2013, 01:39 AM
The rank hypocrisy of this thread is a perfect example of what has killed America, proof positive just how far left this site has drifted.
Double dittos (a little Rush thrown in) on that.

hang fire
March 3, 2013, 01:41 AM
Beck is often hilarious, although truth be told I think the interplay between he and his producer Stu often makes for the funnier moments. Beck came on my favorite AM station shortly after 9-11 and I really took to his very insightful gallows humor.

As the years have passed I have found him to be increasingly alarmist and just a bit too "chicken little" for my tastes....but he still makes me laugh anytime he's not in his downer mode.

I doubt Beck was buying cases of PMags after Sandy Hook, so I have no reason to believe he knows what most of his target demo thinks about CTD.
Exactly what is your and some other's problem with CTD?

Spymaster
March 3, 2013, 02:03 AM
Exactly what is your and some other's problem with CTD?
They hate it, because its capitalist, period! They all seem to think that they are entitled to fixed pricepoints based upon a command & control type socialist economy.

I would not be surprised in the least to discover that many of those popping open these "hate" threads, all voted for the guy who is almost singularly responsible for their current plight, that or they didn't vote at all. What we're seeing here, is that "occupy wall street" really reached its target audience big time.

CZguy
March 3, 2013, 02:17 AM
Took advantage of people? Its called "capitalism" for a reason, a reason that has clearly lost you somewhere along the way, no doubt due in large part to the socialist indoc you inculcated as you traversed the public school system.

Sir, you give me to much credit. You are assuming that I attended school. :D

I'm a firm believer in capitalism. Companies like Brownell's, and Midway, haven't raised their prices during this temporary spike in the industry. CTD has. Who you do business with is an important part of capitalism.

Or are you just saying that I have to like who, you like?

Sol
March 3, 2013, 03:11 AM
For pure entertainment and a vehemently pro 2A radio host, Anthony Cumia of Opie and Anthony. Political incorectness and Jimmy Norton make for a hoot.

Also that late night conspiracy theorist guy on AM radio (1420 or 1400) is hilarious. Usually I wear my tin foil hat to keep the HAARP generated MKULTRA AM radio waves out, but sometimes I'll take it off for a good laugh.... After all that's what THEY want me to do.

feedthehogs
March 3, 2013, 09:26 AM
Sir, you give me to much credit. You are assuming that I attended school. :D

I'm a firm believer in capitalism. Companies like Brownell's, and Midway, haven't raised their prices during this temporary spike in the industry. CTD has. Who you do business with is an important part of capitalism.

Or are you just saying that I have to like who, you like?
If your idea of not raising prices is the definition of capitalism then let me suggest reading a book on the free market system.

Radio is a business first. Without advertisers there is no money unless you pull an npr gig.

All, I repeat all radio hosts play to advertisers first for revenue then to the audience.

They all talk out of both sides of their mouth and if they deny it, they've become delusional like many of their listeners.

When S&W signed the governments agreement and sold out gun owners, then was American bought and the new owners went on Gun Talk, there was still no clear picture on wether the new owners would up hold that agreement.

I called after listening because the host Tom, did not bring it up. After getting on and bringing up the issue and pushing it to get a straight answer very respectfully, I was cut off. Why? Didn't want to piss off support money. Thats how it works, period.

Beck from the beginning touted his show was a fusion of news and entertainment. Nothing has changed.

Oh look a squirrel...................

ball3006
March 3, 2013, 09:40 PM
I live about 10 miles from CTD. I have got some great deals from them over the years. Yes, their ammo prices are a little high. Their gun prices in their sale flyer are pretty good. It is a good store to window shop in. They have a catalog desk if you want anything from the catalog.....chris3

ThorinNNY
March 3, 2013, 10:30 PM
So what if Beck`s a little nuts? Hows that old saying go, in desperate times fight fire with fire, or better yet, turn off the radio, tv, go sit on your porch sippin your favorite adult beverage (hic) til things come back into perspective?

Sam Cade
March 3, 2013, 10:35 PM
MKULTRA AM radio waves out, but sometimes I'll take it off for a good laugh.

FWIW, MKUltra was real and utterly terrifying.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

CZguy
March 3, 2013, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by Feedthehogs,

If your idea of not raising prices is the definition of capitalism then let me suggest reading a book on the free market system.


My point was while CTD is welcome to use what ever business model they choose, I'm also able to make choices about where I spend my money.

Under capitalism, water seeks it's own level, and I'm just fine with that.

If you wish to continue to do business with CTD, that's your business, I have nothing to say about it. Well...............now that I think about it, I probably would chuckle under my breath when you walked by. (If we shot at the same range.)

CZguy
March 3, 2013, 11:50 PM
So what if Beck`s a little nuts? Hows that old saying go, in desperate times fight fire with fire, or better yet, turn off the radio, tv, go sit on your porch sippin your favorite adult beverage (hic) til things come back into perspective?

You may just have identified my problem. I spend some time sitting on my porch sipping my favorite adult beverage, which happens to be water. Now I do this pretty frequently. So I guess my question is, how long do I have to sit there, before things come back into perspective?

barnbwt
March 4, 2013, 12:50 AM
They hate it, because its capitalist, period! They all seem to think that they are entitled to fixed pricepoints based upon a command & control type socialist economy.


Um, yeah. When you cancel confirmed, paid (and reportedly shipped) orders due to "demand spike" glitches in the supply chain, and then re-fullfill them at the new higher prices, that's called a dishonest business practice. People hate CTD because they're a pain to deal with--and that's the end of it!

Yeah, we complain that prices are high, or availability is low, so that makes us Communists and drum-circling hippie agent provocateurs. Talk about your groupthink :rolleyes:

"USE THE CREAM!"

TCB

ThorinNNY
March 4, 2013, 01:04 AM
CZ guy
Perhaps when you reach a certain age, your bladder will notify you that you`ve sipped enough water and you`ve achieved enough perspective so you better take care of important business ;).

Fishslayer
March 4, 2013, 02:06 AM
Also that late night conspiracy theorist guy on AM radio (1420 or 1400) is hilarious. Usually I wear my tin foil hat to keep the HAARP generated MKULTRA AM radio waves out, but sometimes I'll take it off for a good laugh.... After all that's what THEY want me to do.

That would be Coast to Coast AM with George Norry. Great stuff!:what:

Art Bell had the show years ago.

Gato MontÚs
March 4, 2013, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by Spymaster
The rank hypocrisy of this thread is a perfect example of what has killed America, proof positive just how far left this site has drifted.

Spymaster

Join Date: February 13, 2013
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Yeah, super ditto! This forum used to be a place of good old fashioned conservatism; like the good old days of February 13th through the 21st. Then all those damn pot smoking commies invaded on the 22nd, we fought back on the 23rd, stalemated until the 28th and ultimately failed to push them out in our final offensive on the 1st of March. The High Road will never be the same.

LOL!

THR is a place to talk guns without all the political baggage. It's a place of inclusion, and I am thankful for it as without a site like this I would never had gotten into firearms the way I have and as a result a 2A advocating NRA member. Granted, it's been difficult to maintain that in this current climate, but if you dislike the attitudes here then I can assure you there are many many MANY other gun forums out there that can meet your standards.

JohnBT
March 4, 2013, 08:47 AM
Now that's funny. But it's early in the day and I haven't finished the first pot of coffee yet. Thanks.

psyopspec
March 4, 2013, 09:27 AM
Just glad didn't have a cup to my lips when I read that.

csa77
March 4, 2013, 09:39 AM
I like Glenn beck, been listening to him for along time.

There was a video on the blaze the other day with Glenn beck and Jerry Miculek, I think they where shooting the S&W 500

Btw I have been listening to rush Limbaugh for nearly 20 years, yep I'm a evil right wing "bitter clinger"

hso
March 4, 2013, 10:37 AM
When someone sells a locally available item for X when they can make 1.5X by posting it nationally on GB are they a crook or just expanding the base for their sale to make the most people who want it more will pay? If no one buys it for 1.5X they've wasted their money going to that bigger market and may have to risk putting it out at 1.25 or 1.1 times the local glutted market. Each gamble costs money in the hope of making it back and then some profit.

If you don't like the price of something, don't pay it. If you don't want to pay $1,800 for a previously $900 item, gamble on the price coming down when the supply and demand rebalance. None of us like getting caught in a banic buying environment, but the only thing to do is ride it out and let the rash of first time buyers support the industry and grow the number of gunowners. Heck, the best thing to do is offer to help them learn how to run their new guns, and how to vote to keep them.

JustinJ
March 4, 2013, 12:22 PM
My biggest gripe with "Cheaper than Dirt" is their name. Their prices were not competetive before the panic and they are even less so now. I consider what they and many other businesses to be doing as gouging. That doesn't mean i advocate gov't price regulation for their products. It just means i won't do business with them now or in the future.

Anybody who thinks Glen Beck is pro liberty should listen to him describe his centrally planned, censor ridden, "Libertarian" commune. "Freedom town" even dictates what type of shops are allowed and allows only local food, you know, free market and all. It's best described as a Home Owners Association Dictatorship led by Chairman Beck. My favorite is his plan for a "learning center" where people can send their children to be "de-programmed". Oh, the irony.

Solo
March 4, 2013, 04:15 PM
Anybody who thinks Glen Beck is pro liberty should listen to him describe his centrally planned, censor ridden, "Libertarian" commune. "Freedom town" even dictates what type of shops are allowed and allows only local food, you know, free market and all. It's best described as a Home Owners Association Dictatorship led by Chairman Beck. My favorite is his plan for a "learning center" where people can send their children to be "de-programmed". Oh, the irony.

And no fireworks on the 4th of July. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-29-2013/america-2--now-with-more-freedom---a-glenn-beck-holiday)

atvalaska
March 4, 2013, 05:11 PM
I listen /agree with beck....... a lot more than what else/who else is talking out there.

atvalaska
March 4, 2013, 05:13 PM
that clown...sure would like to think the a fellow thr would not think the "the daily clown news" guy is worthy on anything.....

OilyPablo
March 4, 2013, 05:15 PM
Some people watch the Daily Show for their news and worse believe his "I'm center" drivel.

JustinJ
March 4, 2013, 06:10 PM
that clown...sure would like to think the a fellow thr would not think the "the daily clown news" guy is worthy on anything.....

So, to recap, Beck proposes some loony cult like commune that is essentially completely at odds with the values he claims to hold, which anybody can watch the vidoe of in it's entirety, John Stewart makes fun of it, and your defense of Beck is to attack Stewart. Nice try at diverting, but no, Beck's nonsense stands on it's own. By the way, Stewart isn't the only pundit who ripped Beck for his insane hypocricy nonsense. I will say though, Stewart said it well. Beck hides behind liberty in the name of freedom from, not actual freedom.

By the way, Stewart's rip on Beckville is funny but below is truly classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ9mWxeV6Qc

Sam1911
March 4, 2013, 06:53 PM
We're well away from guns and RKBA at this point. No reason to explore all the rest of this unpleasant subject here at THR.

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