If your state passed new terrible gun laws, would you move or stay and fight?


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jlbraun
March 2, 2013, 11:30 AM
My state is on the verge of doing something stupid.

I'm considering selling the house and moving if it passes.

Has anyone else done the same thing?

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Sam1911
March 2, 2013, 11:45 AM
Yes. Many of us have left states for similar reasons.

Some stay and fight because they believe it is the right thing to do. Some stay and fight because it is less disruptive to their life than pulling up stakes -- even if they lose a gun or part of their rights.

targetshooter22
March 2, 2013, 12:15 PM
Before it passes, give to the NRA, attend protests, call legislators, write letters, and otherwise fight like H-E-double hockey sticks. After that, keep my mouth shut and my powder dry.

DammitBoy
March 2, 2013, 12:18 PM
I'd move from my state if it became prohibitive to own firearms.

gripper
March 2, 2013, 12:22 PM
Not only, would I stay and fight, I would not comply.I already left one state, in part due to their ever increasing downward spiral... here in NH, it is NOT as RKBA as it was prior to the 90s... a LOT of bad has been proposed. If any of it passed, well; my " cooperation reserve" was depleted years ago.....still have a surfeit of " uncooperative, noncompliant hostility " on reserve for those who look for it, though.

USAF_Vet
March 2, 2013, 02:49 PM
I can't afford to move, so I would stay and fight, and I would not comply with any laws that were passed. I've already COmuse with enough stupid pointless gun laws here in Michigan, I won't stand for more.

MrTwigg
March 2, 2013, 02:56 PM
Not only, would I stay and fight, I would not comply.

I already left one state, in part due to their ever increasing downward spiral...

You are not alone. Scroo the moonbats.

gripper
March 2, 2013, 02:59 PM
#1 on that.

mbopp
March 2, 2013, 03:05 PM
I'm in the Socialist State of NY.
Moving is not an option right now. But after I retire I'll be looking for a warmer and more gun-friendly state to move to.

dogrunner
March 2, 2013, 05:37 PM
I don't owe ANY State ANY thing...........for that matter. include the Federal Gov't, and I would move in a heartbeat if the matter was entirely contrary to my personal best interest and belief.

Loyalty, Folks, is a TWO way street!

Upstater
March 2, 2013, 05:59 PM
I'll be damned if they'll push me out, by god I'll fight 'em till my last breath in the voting booth the capital or in my own back yard, these politicians that feel as though they can run roughshod over the very people that elected them to their prospective posts will find out in a most unusual way that this is not going to be a walk in the park for them!

mgkdrgn
March 2, 2013, 06:00 PM
Already did .... MD to SC.

mnhntr
March 2, 2013, 06:00 PM
I would move.

Sheepdog1968
March 2, 2013, 06:25 PM
Job too good and very hard to replace. As I've done before, what is banned moves out of state to stay with folks I trust. I have a 10 year plan that if I do my part I can then liver wherever but fr now I stay put. Ten years will pass quickly.

Yelovitz_503
March 2, 2013, 06:40 PM
I love the pacific northwest so I would have a hard time leaving. Oregon is my home and I want it to stay that way, but with the increasingly more and more absurd policies getting pushed through, and the influx of Californians coming up and helping vote those stupid things into existence it's getting hard to justify staying. My family mostly lives here so it'd be a tough sell to uproot, but if my rights were in such danger of being eradicated I'd certainly have to consider it. And since those things appear closer than ever to happening, it's a thought which has been on my radar.

Let me put it this way: I hate heat and humidity, but there's never been a time in my life when becoming a Texas resident has sounded so appealing..

wow6599
March 2, 2013, 06:51 PM
I don't think I would follow unconstitutional laws.

Stay in Missouri and just "live".......

ThorinNNY
March 2, 2013, 07:01 PM
MY state, New York, did pass terrible gun laws. I`m staying, I`m fighting ! If we lose Im going to emulate the third monkey ( 1-See No, 2-Hear No 3-Speak No Evil) and not disclose my plans.

splithoof
March 2, 2013, 07:01 PM
I'm in the same position as SheepDog1968; eight years from a good retirement, and counting the days. I don't respect many Cali gun laws as is, and will move tools to a better place if necessary. Gun control is only one aspect of why I have started the process of emancipation, but is a major one.

gripper
March 2, 2013, 07:14 PM
Oh, I OWE them nothing.... OTOH, RE those who would attempt to disarm and enslave me/ mine; I do not like, respect; or care about their well being.... if they want to fight.....

jj1962hemi
March 2, 2013, 07:16 PM
I don't know. The laws in my state are already bad. I guess it depends on where my kids end up. At the end of the day, I want to be near (if we're blessed with them) the grandkids. If I don't move, I'll probably build a part-time home in an adjacent state with more respect for my rights.

Landric
March 2, 2013, 07:32 PM
I just moved halfway across the country, from North Carolina to Missouri. As it happens, I moved to a state with better gun laws than the one I left, not a huge difference, but Missouri is better. We moved primarily for family, I don't have much family to speak of, and what I do have is spread out all over the country. On the other hand, my wife has quite a large family, and nearly all of it is in the Kansas City Metro Area.

Where I lived in North Carolina I was 9 miles from the Virginia boarder. If North Carolina had passed some goofy gun laws (not necessarily hard to imagine, North Carolina has been getting more liberal-nutty recently), I would absolutely have moved to Virginia, I could have kept the same job and the same relationships. The same is basically true here, if Missouri were to pass goofy gun laws, I could move to Kansas. If both Kansas and Missouri passed goofy gun laws (unlikely without federal legislation given the nature of Missouri, and especially, Kansas), I would stay and fight (and probably ignore the new gun laws). Too much invested here family wise to move. Besides, if Missouri and Kansas get bad, there likely won't be anywhere left to move (in the US anyway).

joeschmoe
March 2, 2013, 07:41 PM
Before fight to prevent it. If it passes work to quickly overturn it.

If that fails... "any means necessary" to retain your rights. Move, fight, refuse, etc. All are legitimate, except comply.

Anything except comply = collaborate.

oneounceload
March 2, 2013, 07:42 PM
If I had the money, I would abandon this country - I am ashamed at our leaders and the nazi tyranny they have allowed to become commonplace - but that is just me.....YMMV

joeschmoe
March 2, 2013, 07:55 PM
If I had the money, I would abandon this country

Where would you go? This is still as good as it gets anywhere. That's why it's so important we fight and win. There is nothing else anywhere.

Sharpy408
March 2, 2013, 08:03 PM
If I had the money, I would abandon this country

Agreed.

Zeabed
March 2, 2013, 08:15 PM
I would have no choice but to stay. With an extended family of almost 3 dozen people,moving out of Florida permanently would be next to impossible.

Now, if I was 30 again, I would look at all the possibilities and try to make a rational decision. It would not be simple or easy. It never is.
Johnny, if it gets to that point in Florida, I don't think there will be any state left to move to!

Alaska444
March 2, 2013, 08:16 PM
My state is on the verge of doing something stupid.

I'm considering selling the house and moving if it passes.

Has anyone else done the same thing?
You can't fight when you have the demographics against you. That is the problem with CA and one, not the only, but one of the reasons I am looking to say goodbye to that state hopefully for ever.

When the Dems control all of the major statewide seats, what is there that you can fight with? So, fight or run, I am running to Idaho where I can hold out as long as possible.

winterhorse290
March 3, 2013, 08:22 AM
me and mine? we stand and fight.

steelerdude99
March 3, 2013, 08:28 AM
Apparently gun laws are causing some folks to not move to NJ and causing others to move out. See the video listed below at about the 1 minute point into the little over 2 minute clip. Although this fellow is not pro GUN, he sees the result in vacant positions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GI8Dqmegnk

chuck

SleazyRider
March 3, 2013, 08:53 AM
MY state, New York, did pass terrible gun laws. I`m staying, I`m fighting ! If we lose Im going to emulate the third monkey ( 1-See No, 2-Hear No 3-Speak No Evil) and not disclose my plans.
Me too. Besides, I don't know how many of us are mobile enough to pull a Tom Joad and pack up the family wagon and move on to the Promised Land of Gun Rights---wherever that is---when we don't like the law. What about those of us with established careers and practices, or businesses, or family networks? I've heard tell of folks moving to states with warmer climates, or lower tax rates, or to be closer to family---but higher magazine capacities or lower permit fees? I doubt it.

For those of us who would leave, I suggest you live in a travel trailer or motor home, so when the gun laws in that state are no longer to your liking you can move on once again. After all, as we New Yorkers know all too well, all it takes is a handful of signatures by anonymous men and woman in remote chambers, to change things. And you just can't keep on movin' down the road.

A few days ago I joined 7,000 other peaceful, law-abiding citizens in Albany, none of whom are inclined to move, to tell Cuomo and his henchmen what we think of their newly and hastily-adopted legislation. We're all outraged, but not one is willing to pack up and leave.

OilyPablo
March 3, 2013, 09:42 AM
About 5 years until retirement. I would stay. Kid needs to leave nest, one left.

But I fight first and now. I have no quit in me.

I won't comply with unconstitutional bills ("laws"). This non-compliance may ultimately be most disruptive to my life, but I don't care. I will stay and fight.

NosaMSirhC
March 3, 2013, 10:13 AM
IMO, any place that advances an anti-2A legislation will have 3 groups of gun owners.

1. Those that comply
2. Those that don't comply
3. Those that have 2 caches of weapons
A. Compliant cache
B. Non-compliant cache


I'm still deciding which category I will fall into.

Be Safe!

NosaM


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jj1962hemi
March 3, 2013, 10:28 AM
I was disappointed to see The Free State Project, a movement that tried to recruit like-minded people to move to New Hampshire, to have only a few (9,000?) thousand people actually sign up, whether they moved or not. Theoretically, it seemed a great idea. Now, because of property values in adjoining states, people from CT, MA, etc. are moving to NH, and swamping the Free State newcomers who actually respect their long-held NH values. Sadly, this has happened in CA (50 years ago), WA, OR, now maybe even Montana.

I make a point of sending the NRA, NRA-ILA, SAF, and others more money every year. I hope we can make a dent. Aside from this blight on our rights that began with post-9/11 overreactions and is now running with uninformed public opinion regarding school masssacres, we gun rights folks have been doing very well. Comparing today (49 states with some sort of CC and no AWB) with 1983, we're in much better shape than we were.

Prophet
March 3, 2013, 12:01 PM
The only stupid thing PA has done as a result of the panic is our AG refusing PA residential use of FL permits. PA is pretty good on gun laws and my local demographic is overwhelmingly pro-freedom, but being so close to the coast surrounded by MD, NJ and NY worries me. I love PA but have always wanted to move to a warmer state. Bad legislation would likely be another nail in the coffin for me personally. Once I got to a warmer state I'd dig in and fight it out if it happened there.

Sgt_R
March 3, 2013, 12:26 PM
I have relocated a number of times in my life. What is once more to me?

As soon as I found suitable work out of state, I would be gone.

R

Neo-Luddite
March 3, 2013, 01:01 PM
Staying.

Devonai
March 3, 2013, 01:17 PM
I can certainly appreciate how circumstances trump ideology. I live near the Mass border and I'm only 80 miles from VT/NH. I don't have a full-time job at the moment, so bailing on CT would be relatively easy. Yes, a 90 minute commute would kind of blow, but it still seems preferable. If I lived further south and had a good full-time job, I would not relocate.

Then, If CT went the way of NY, then I'd buy a 1911, but since all my standard capacity magazines just fell into a lake, I'll have nothing to "turn in."

Blackbeard
March 3, 2013, 02:07 PM
I'm planning to leave Illinois anyway, but it may be a few years away. If they pass laws to make me a criminal, I'd probably just move my contraband out of state until I can join it. I live on a border so it's not completely disruptive, just the hassle of selling & buying a house.

OilyPablo
March 3, 2013, 02:32 PM
When upright gun owners abandon an area, guess which way the crime rate goes?

(no I don't have stats on that)

AlbertH
March 3, 2013, 02:53 PM
When I move,it's going to be because I am sick and tired of snow. I have been a Michigander all my life. I bought my first Shotgun in 1970, even back then the serial number and my identification was recorded, bought my first hunting rifle in 1972 same thing happened. I worked construction until I took an early retirement a couple years ago. Back in the mid 80's I ran a job at the Federal Court House in Detroit, needed FBI Security Clearance so they got my finger prints for the first time way back then. Applied for and got my CPL last summer, The FBI got my fingerprints again and gave me a clean bill of health. My CPL also allows me to walk into a store, pick out a gun, lay down my plastic/cash, fill out some paperwork and walk out with my new purchase.

YES all those weapons are REGISTERED in my name, and because I am a RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, I will assume the responsibilty that goes with gun ownership. If one is stolen, I will immediately inform the police so I am no longer liable should someone use that weapon to commit a crime. Should I ever sell one of my weapons, it will be through an FFL Licensed Gun Dealer, I will just add the transfer fee to the price of the weapon if the buyer chooses not to.. If that buyer wants me to sell that weapon under the table so they can avoid its registration, then THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS and I will not sell to them.

Al

MaterDei
March 3, 2013, 03:16 PM
It's easy to say that I would move but actually moving is hard.

Besides, if this happened I'm not sure where I could go.

oneounceload
March 3, 2013, 03:24 PM
o.. If that buyer wants me to sell that weapon under the table so they can avoid its registration........

If you move, realize that many states have NO registration

tactikel
March 3, 2013, 03:49 PM
I'm fighting with my time and money. When I retire and move it will ONLY be to a gun friendly state.

AlbertH
March 3, 2013, 04:48 PM
If you move, realize that many states have NO registration
That is the main reason I only buy weapons that I plan on keeping and that I keep the serial numbers and type of weapon in a safe place. One thing that every responsible gun owner should do, just in case you need to CYA. They should also probably keep track of how much and when they either sold or disposed of a weapon..

I have only one mistaken purchase so far and that was a S&W Bodyguard 380. My wife thought she would like it so we bought it, what a mistake. Now if they offered a trigger kit for the pistol it could be pretty nice but that horrendous long pull that isn't very smooth takes away from what could be a nice weapon. It is amazing how S&W can have some reasonably priced double action pistols with decent triggers but not the 380. It is one pistol that I would recommend that you try before you buy.

I have considered trading it if the price is right but will probably keep it cause it makes a perfect kitchen drawer/bathroom drawer weapon.

Al

oneounceload
March 3, 2013, 05:24 PM
Call S&W and see if they will redo the trigger....OR find a good smith who can tune it up somewhat

HorseSoldier
March 3, 2013, 09:39 PM
I moved to Alaska. While the official state motto is "North to the future" or some such drivel, more unofficially you'll hear (especially among those who've been here a while) that "Alaska is what America was." Guns are still unremarkable, everyday tools and necessities here . If they manage pass onerous and ridiculous gun laws here in Alaska, by the time we get to that point there will be nowhere left to go (or, to borrow more eloquenty from Tacitus, ". . . there are no tribes beyond us, nothing indeed but waves and rocks, and the yet more terrible Romans, from whose oppression escape is vainly sought by obedience and submission.")

That said, if I needed to relocate, it would be done with an eye to gun laws. My wife was considering a post-doctoral fellowship in Denver within the last couple months, but recent events in Colorado are such that we won't be living there, even for a couple years, unless the gun control stuff they're pushing falls by the wayside.

ACP
March 3, 2013, 09:50 PM
Depends on the change. It would have to be very serious.

I live where I grew up, where my wife grew up, where my mother lives 25 minutes away and my sisters and brothers 90 minutes away. My house has doubled its value in 10 years, my kids are in a great school system, my town is safe, and I have a wide, wide, wide variety of handguns, rifles and shotguns to choose from even with the possibility of 10-round magazine limits and banning the sale of new ARs (existing ones grandfathered).

All in all, no, I wouldn't move.

Maybe it's me getting older. I'm moving farther away every day from "tactical" stuff and more toward timeless "classics" and "fun" guns (mostly 22s).

I want to teach my kids about shooting and hunting, not about hating their state/federal representative and fearing/planning to overthrow their democratically elected country (the best country on the Earth -- spend some time overseas then come back, you'll know what I mean.)

Sheepdog1968
March 3, 2013, 10:26 PM
Depends on the change. It would have to be very serious.

I live where I grew up, where my wife grew up, where my mother lives 25 minutes away and my sisters and brothers 90 minutes away. My house has doubled its value in 10 years, my kids are in a great school system, my town is safe, and I have a wide, wide, wide variety of handguns, rifles and shotguns to choose from even with the possibility of 10-round magazine limits and banning the sale of new ARs (existing ones grandfathered).

All in all, no, I wouldn't move.

Maybe it's me getting older. I'm moving farther away every day from "tactical" stuff and more toward timeless "classics" and "fun" guns (mostly 22s).

I want to teach my kids about shooting and hunting, not about hating their state/federal representative and fearing/planning to overthrow their democratically elected country (the best country on the Earth -- spend some time overseas then come back, you'll know what I mean.)
I'm the same way. The older I get the more I favor the timeless classics.

joeschmoe
March 3, 2013, 11:53 PM
^---Hint; Your house was probably never really worth 4 times the median home price. Miami Beach? I hope you don't mean "condo". Glut of those down there with stupid fee's.

Jefferson Herb
March 4, 2013, 02:29 AM
I got rid of the Bushmaster hoping that they would be happy,[I refused to register and sold out of state]and the dems of **** can do whatever they want.Moonbeam,Thompson,the ones some of my friends voted for saying they would be practical threw us under the bus.
I plan on Retireing at 55 in sept,and moving out of state,actually Oregon;and I will not vote for or support any dumb **** movement in that state. I found an area where my new friends will have Elk Rifles,and Logging is still in progress.

joeschmoe
March 4, 2013, 04:36 AM
No ,Schmoe,my main residence is in Coral Gables. My 2 condos are in Miami Beach and Key Biscayne. In 2007, my next door neighbor sold his house for $750,000. I am a RE Agent and know this market for 50 years. You are a Schmoe! Capiche? :D

And also you are not ACP! :rolleyes: Now,vamos! ;)
I used to live on Key Biscayne. Key Colony.

You've been a RE agent for 50 years and your house lost 50%? Who's the Schmoe now?

Double Naught Spy
March 4, 2013, 09:14 AM
You can't fight when you have the demographics against you. That is the problem with CA and one, not the only, but one of the reasons I am looking to say goodbye to that state hopefully for ever.

You can fight. You just are not apt to get quick results and it will be a tough fight.

As for looking to say goodbye, you have been in the process of leaving the state since 2011, LOL. You have gone from being in the process of leaving to just considering the notion. Usually, one would go from considering to doing, not the other way around. Sounds like you will continue to be there for quite some time. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451025&highlight=california+home&page=2

When the Dems control all of the major statewide seats, what is there that you can fight with?

How about fighting to get them replaced?

jeff1981
March 4, 2013, 10:24 AM
I've moved a number of times to get away from increased gun control and poor attitudes from people who don't understand the hunting/trapping lifestyle. If things go the wrong way here, the only remaining option for me would be Alaska... but I suspect any major change here would be the result of a federal ban, and so would make moving irrelevant.

CoRoMo
March 4, 2013, 10:44 AM
My roots are rather deep here but I've already began contemplating a move into Wyoming.

PRM
March 4, 2013, 01:14 PM
I am blessed to live in a Pro-Gun, Pro-Bible, Southern, Conservative Red State. Having said that - We just helped $$$ our son move from New Yorkistan. One can either choose to live life or exist.

rondog
March 4, 2013, 03:54 PM
Where ya gonna go? Any state you move to is liable to be the next one to pass the same laws. And what about jobs? And a million other things?

I've heard a lot of people talking about bolting out of Colorado if these BS bills become laws, but I'm not moving. Go? Go where? And do what? Starve under a bridge 'cause there's no jobs? And people in other states don't want a mass exodus of immigrants fleeing other states moving in, that's how our state got in this mess to begin with.

OilyPablo
March 4, 2013, 03:56 PM
I say: STAY and FIGHT!

GrumpyFNX
March 4, 2013, 03:58 PM
I would stay, gripe and fight. Born a Texan, raised a Texan, and I will die a Texan.

stevek
March 4, 2013, 06:48 PM
We will continue to fight as long as we are here. We bought our retirement/vacation home in beautiful WV about a year and a half ago, and we hope to be there full time fairly soon. We keep fighting while here for our kids, grandkids, and friends.

oneounceload
March 4, 2013, 09:21 PM
They should also probably keep track of how much and when they either sold or disposed of a weapon..
Why? If there is no registration, then there is no paperwork trail. I have sold guns at garage sales, bought them at the same - cash and a smile and see ya around

The sad story,Joe,is that anyone in South Florida who bought their home before 2006 saw it plummet 50% or more in value. The exceptions being a small fraction of multi million dollar properties. Only the Las Vegas area had such a disastrous decline as ours in the entire U.S.

Reno and Carson got hit as bad, if not worse.

As to South Beach, between the NY hedge fund guys, the Russians and the Brazilians, real estate is growing faster than anywhere else

browneu
March 4, 2013, 09:46 PM
I would do everything in my power to move. It may not be immediate but eventually I'd get to a free state.

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NYer
March 5, 2013, 02:29 PM
As a 30 year resident of NY I have watched the gradual decrease of personal freedom with each passing year. This past November the NY Senate went "D" and I knew that the thumb was out of the dam, and the dam burst.
For 30 years I have watched people vote with their feet and move from states that didn't reflect their philosophy to states that did. Because of this we have more and more states that are more red or more blue by wider margins. (Blue states get bluer and red states get redder.) I don't see that trend reversing itself. Soon I too will vote with my feet and go looking for freedom. The only problem is that when people in other states hear I am from NY they close the door! :(

No one wants to contaminate their culture with folks from NY. Please do not tar all NYer's with the same feather.

BD

Jimineer
March 5, 2013, 05:12 PM
Texas and Oklahoma will be the last to fall. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but if ever...

Alaska444
March 5, 2013, 06:03 PM
I moved to Alaska. While the official state motto is "North to the future" or some such drivel, more unofficially you'll hear (especially among those who've been here a while) that "Alaska is what America was." Guns are still unremarkable, everyday tools and necessities here . If they manage pass onerous and ridiculous gun laws here in Alaska, by the time we get to that point there will be nowhere left to go (or, to borrow more eloquenty from Tacitus, ". . . there are no tribes beyond us, nothing indeed but waves and rocks, and the yet more terrible Romans, from whose oppression escape is vainly sought by obedience and submission.")

That said, if I needed to relocate, it would be done with an eye to gun laws. My wife was considering a post-doctoral fellowship in Denver within the last couple months, but recent events in Colorado are such that we won't be living there, even for a couple years, unless the gun control stuff they're pushing falls by the wayside.
My wife and I originally planned on staying in Colorado, but we moved to CA to be close to my son while he was in school. Our daughter moved from Colorado during that time and is up in Idaho now.

Providentially, Idaho is a much better fit than Colorado the way that they are going rapidly to the left. Sad, Colorado was once a great place for freedom but is no longer. Hate to say it, but that is the evil awaiting all of our western state one at a time.

Time to hold the course my friends.

P.S. my formative years were at the top of O'Malley Road. I Love the Anchorage area but I don't miss the mosquitoes at all.:evil:

JTHunter
March 5, 2013, 06:23 PM
Leave until all the parasites and leeches cause the state to implode. Then rebuild it with the kind of people who know how to make it work right again.

Cosmoline
March 5, 2013, 06:26 PM
True, Alaska is the last best place. And there's pretty much zero chance of the legislature turning on us. If they do I actually know a number of those guys and can yell at them. In a functional democracy you can actually call up your reps and talk to them. Radical idea I know!

The fear here is federal law. And with the feds owning so much of the land their hand is always heavy. Our population is also small and dependent on the very infrastructure the feds support. So things would get really messy if troopers start tryin to arrest FBI agents.

Art Eatman
March 5, 2013, 07:35 PM
I figure that it's likely that there would have been quite a few "Get out of Dodge!" clues about a state's decline in freedom, long before any serious we-hate-guns laws were passed. I'd have already been gone.

JFtheGR8
March 5, 2013, 11:19 PM
My wife and I have good careers right where we are. It would be easy for me to find another job in my field but not so much for her. I've been hoping she could get a transfer to a southern state but for now I'll stay and fight. I think a lot of nonsense is going to get passed in Illinois if we don't stand up and be heard. It could still go through but then anyone with an I for incumbent by their name during the next election better plan on a different career.


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Jefferson Herb
March 6, 2013, 01:41 AM
If I'm lucky,I will be able to hide my own easter eggs,amd meet new friends w/o leaving the house;by the time Oregon gets as bad. No kids,just horses and dogs;and I'm not sure if I'll leave any firearms to my nephews ak wannabe leos.

Bobson
March 6, 2013, 02:18 AM
I figure that it's likely that there would have been quite a few "Get out of Dodge!" clues about a state's decline in freedom, long before any serious we-hate-guns laws were passed. I'd have already been gone.
Same here. I moved from one state to another five times in the last five years. Nothing keeping me here that I couldn't find elsewhere if I decided to move again tomorrow.

I want to teach my kids about shooting and hunting, not about hating their state/federal representative and fearing/planning to overthrow their democratically elected country
Teach your kids American History, logic, and pray for their wisdom; and let them decide for themselves whether fighting for their freedom and liberty is the same as hating their country. Or just teach them the truth yourself. Hint: Not even close.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

We're much closer to tyranny than liberty, according to ol' Jeffy.

Quick Shot xMLx
March 6, 2013, 04:25 AM
The good thing about bordering an even redder state is being able to hop over to SC if anything goes down. As much as NE liberal transplants have ruined this state I don't think (more) gun control is currently possible. Quite a few states have to fall before this one does.

Geno
March 6, 2013, 06:24 AM
I'm more concerned with the probability of winter returning each year to Michigan, than I am of unreasonable gun laws returning to Michigan. Michigan is trending the opposite direction: reversing senseless, restricting laws. Winter on the other hand, just keeps returning.

Geno

AlbertH
March 6, 2013, 07:35 AM
I'm more concerned with the probability of winter returning each year to Michigan, than I am of unreasonable gun laws returning to Michigan. Michigan is trending the opposite direction: reversing senseless, restricting laws. Winter on the other hand, just keeps returning.

Geno
Its sad but true and the older one gets the tougher it is to shovel that snow. Unfortunately the the need to reduce the budget without reducing the size of government, the doubling of the executive branches wages, the desire to shift taxes away from business and on to Ralph Retiree has moved Michigan up the list of least retiree friendly states. Since tax increases are bad we are being inundated with "user fees".

I took an early retirement three years ago and My wife has 5 1/2 years before she will be taking hers. I have already been informed that we will be leaving Michigan and all of its snow. Well she is leaving because of the snow, I am leaving because our governor would rather have "Highly educated immigrants" living here than retirees.

Michigan is a beautiful except for that 40+ inches of snow each winter!!!!

Alaska444
March 6, 2013, 05:53 PM
Its sad but true and the older one gets the tougher it is to shovel that snow. Unfortunately the the need to reduce the budget without reducing the size of government, the doubling of the executive branches wages, the desire to shift taxes away from business and on to Ralph Retiree has moved Michigan up the list of least retiree friendly states. Since tax increases are bad we are being inundated with "user fees".

I took an early retirement three years ago and My wife has 5 1/2 years before she will be taking hers. I have already been informed that we will be leaving Michigan and all of its snow. Well she is leaving because of the snow, I am leaving because our governor would rather have "Highly educated immigrants" living here than retirees.

Michigan is a beautiful except for that 40+ inches of snow each winter!!!!
After living in the desert of CA for the last 20 years, I welcome the winter snows of Idaho. Sadly, it looks like winter is almost over up here already. The snow is melted and the sun is coming out. Now it is time to go back to CA for a couple of months to take care of some issues and get the house ready to sell. Shucks, I won't miss that hot desert sun one little bit. Nor will I miss the politics of CA one little bit either.

ThorinNNY
March 6, 2013, 06:47 PM
If there`s anybody here that wants to boycott New York State because of the SAFE act, Please:

E mail Senator Betty Little and tell her about it. WHY? Betty Little is the chair of the Senate Cultural Affairs and TOURISM,Parks&Recreation Committee.

She is pro 2A and your correspondence may provide anmmunition to help defeat Cuomo & his outrageous SAFE Act.
E mail : LITTLE@NYSENATE.GOV

or write to Sen. Betty Little
310 Legislative Office Bldg
Albany,NY 1227

Thank you.

mjw930
March 6, 2013, 07:03 PM
I'd stay and fight.

Being in FL that's easier for me to say since we aren't confronted with nearly as much madness as others. With that said, I can't imagine uprooting my family, losing money on my property (yes, I'm another one of those idiots who's upside down in my house) and possibly having to find another job over gun legislation. My life does not revolve around my guns.

clutch
March 6, 2013, 07:16 PM
I'm in Michigan. We have been going the right way. Maybe it has something to do with Detroit and Flint dying and their inhabitants running away to another state that is likely already on its way to ruin now.

I'm staying here. Everyone I care about is inside a 35 mile circle.

I'm 0 to 20 years from dying at this point. From my cold dead hands after I emptied my wallet trying to keep correct thinking legislators in office if it comes to it.

I'm staying. I'll fight if it comes to it. If it comes to it, the game is almost over so why not. Nothing left to lose.

Clutch

SHR970
March 6, 2013, 07:35 PM
I've been fighting that fight for over 20 years. Why should I change now? I grew up here and watched this state get taken over by southern and rust belt liberals.

Most of you have no idea how your "come move to a free state" credo can be your undoing. If 10% of my COUNTY moved into any of half of the states you would turn from red to blue.

Sentiments provided from Los Angeles County California. A county where we have more people than 42 of the STATES. Be careful what you ask for. I would rather 20% of the pro 2A from other solid blue states move here and help us take back this place and its 55 electoral votes (or at least put them in play).

Alaska444
March 6, 2013, 07:37 PM
I'm in Michigan. We have been going the right way. Maybe it has something to do with Detroit and Flint dying and their inhabitants running away to another state that is likely already on its way to ruin now.

I'm staying here. Everyone I care about is inside a 35 mile circle.

I'm 0 to 20 years from dying at this point. From my cold dead hands after I emptied my wallet trying to keep correct thinking legislators in office if it comes to it.

I'm staying. I'll fight if it comes to it. If it comes to it, the game is almost over so why not. Nothing left to lose.

Clutch
I wish you luck my friend. I am about in your age range as well, nearly 55 anyway and I am already on dialysis. I lived in CA for 20 years to be near my son after my first marriage dissolved, but now there is nothing to keep me here any longer.

I am glad we did not settle on Colorado which was our original plan. Idaho is a great fit.

The bottom line as you point out is where your family is. I am sure the Lord will keep you in all ways where you take your stand. The bottom line is that if we lose at the Federal level, we all lose no matter which state we live.

Best wishes,

Alaska

sleepyone
March 6, 2013, 11:28 PM
Most of you have no idea how your "come move to a free state" credo can be your undoing.

That is exactly why you don't see me jumping up and down to invite you to move to Texas. While I feel badly for fellow 2A supporters who live in states that are not pro 2A, I also know that demographics change drastically when large groups of people move from one state or region to another. I remember in the 70s and 80s when we had a HUGE influx of Yankees to Texas as corporations relocated to the Dallas/Fort Worth and other large cities in Texas. It forever changed the state. Some changes were good, but from my perspective, there were more cons than pros. Most recently, we had a huge migration of Californians to Texas. I have come to know several families and I can tell you they left for fiscal reasons not for RKBA reasons. They are shocked by the hunting and gun culture. They are not hostile to it, but they certainly don't understand it. I'm trying to educate them. These people are voters and have kids who will become voters. Time will tell whether this mass exodus from California will be a good thing or a bad thing. So far I am not encouraged.

justice06rr
March 7, 2013, 12:38 AM
This is an easy "Yes" for me to move if my state passed some BS gun laws. It may not be so easy for others with families and other ties.


My situation is actually backwards; I initially have been wanting to move out of my home state either to NY or CA. In short, that is not happening. I still like to visit though.

Alaska444
March 7, 2013, 12:39 AM
That is exactly why you don't see me jumping up and down to invite you to move to Texas. While I feel badly for fellow 2A supporters who live in states that are not pro 2A, I also know that demographics change drastically when large groups of people move from one state or region to another. I remember in the 70s and 80s when we had a HUGE influx of Yankees to Texas as corporations relocated to the Dallas/Fort Worth and other large cities in Texas. It forever changed the state. Some changes were good, but from my perspective, there were more cons than pros. Most recently, we had a huge migration of Californians to Texas. I have come to know several families and I can tell you they left for fiscal reasons not for RKBA reasons. They are shocked by the hunting and gun culture. They are not hostile to it, but they certainly don't understand it. I'm trying to educate them. These people are voters and have kids who will become voters. Time will tell whether this mass exodus from California will be a good thing or a bad thing. So far I am not encouraged.
Funny how the mass migrations are all liberal states to other areas that often have good economies which just happen to be conservative states. Shucks, Colorado was once such a state wasn't it. I don't think anything happens by accident.

AlbertH
March 7, 2013, 07:39 AM
Funny how the mass migrations are all liberal states to other areas that often have good economies which just happen to be conservative states. Shucks, Colorado was once such a state wasn't it. I don't think anything happens by accident.
The big question is, will those states that are seeing the big influx be able to continue to provide the necessary public services without increasing taxes on its senior citizens. My wife and I are not only leaving because of the climate but also the taxes, overall cost of living, and the Governors decision to shift more taxes onto fixed income seniors.

While yes the conservative south seems to be more retiree friendly, due to their lower taxes, and cost of living, will they be able to sustain the public services they provide without changing the tax structure due to their increasing senior population????????? We hope so, but only time will tell.

We have decided to live somewhere along the Southern Tennessee line somewhere between the Atlantic and the Mississippi, both north and south a bit. I am slowly ruling out areas and states. We still have a 5 year plan but are taking a trip south in search of our desired location in the spring. We will then purchase some land and once we get closer to her retirement, use the collateral in our current residence to have a home built and then sell our current residence and move.

BTW, We don't need a big home since we have comfortably lived in a 1200 sq ft house for many a year.

Sav .250
March 7, 2013, 09:20 AM
Every day is a challenge. Decisions are made every day that affect us in one way or another. Some good Some bad. Do you move every time something happens you don`t like? Of course not.

Look at the countries that have laws where no guns are allowed, did all those folks move? Of course not.
It`s one thing to lead the village people with torches quite another to re-locate family,
get a new job, just plain ,start over because you don`t like what`s happening.


Hope there are enough truck rentals available at the time of need .

tomrkba
March 7, 2013, 10:09 AM
A few days ago I joined 7,000 other peaceful, law-abiding citizens in Albany, none of whom are inclined to move, to tell Cuomo and his henchmen what we think of their newly and hastily-adopted legislation. We're all outraged, but not one is willing to pack up and leave.

You're not going to win, especially against NYC's millions. Only 7,000 showed up out of hundreds of thousands of gun owners in New York. 100k would have been a much different statement. The government no longer exists to protect the rights of citizens (if it ever did despite good intentions). Frankly, in order to win in New York, threats of violence or actual violence will likely be necessary. Most, and enough, people won't contemplate that or even act. At this point in our history, I think its better to move and help form a coalition of states that honor the right to keep and bear arms. If the state does not want gun owners, then oblige them and let everyone else rot. They deserve the consequences.

Would I move? Yes, but I'd have to prepare for it. I am not sure how such a thing would work considering the current real estate situation.

longknife12
March 7, 2013, 10:46 AM
At the moment, looking at Wyoming,Oklahoma and Texas. This place has gone too far left for my comfort!
Dan

As to stand and fight....been doing that actively!

mljdeckard
March 7, 2013, 10:49 AM
I do reflect from time to time that I am fortunate to live in the state with (almost) the best gun laws in the country to begin with. It will keep me here in spite of very alluring reasons to move.

Bill4282
March 7, 2013, 11:00 AM
Best place to live - East Tennessee near VA line. TN has no income tax, reasonable real estate prices, good hospitals. Folks drive 15 minutes to VA to buy groceries because they have a low sales tax. Shall issue handgun permit, no registration, no FOID.both House and Senate and Governor are Republican.

Akita1
March 7, 2013, 01:51 PM
My family is pretty fortunate as I can live almost anywhere for my job and we're not in any current financial bind so moving could be an option - those circumstances provide a luxury of courage of conviction as patriot, idealist, etc. Having said that, we're also lucky in FL that it hasn't gone off the rails yet re: RKBA, plus uprooting my wife & kids, leaving extended family behind, abandoning the life we've built, FL's cheap, etc., etc. It's a tough call for any of us no matter where we live for a myriad of both personal and professional reasons.

Toss all that in the pot, stir it a bit...and my call is to stand and fight first, then perhaps leave if it all went wrong. RKBA, shooting, hunting, etc. are collectively a big part of my life. What a lousy decision to actually have to make!

Jefferson Herb
March 8, 2013, 09:02 PM
Actually,the aprox 30 non-intelligent gun laws are just the final motivator.
I want away from Rain,mold, more rain and the highest fuel prices in ca next to scalpers in the south;but there is'nt price fixing!!
Dry cold and snow seems to be more agreeable,along with no high winds,
I can take retirement @55,go Elk Hunting and work as req for the things I want to do. Time will tell.I also have Family there that I have'nt spent time with in yrs.

JTHunter
March 9, 2013, 12:54 AM
Alaska444 said: After living in the desert of CA for the last 20 years, I welcome the winter snows of Idaho. Sadly, it looks like winter is almost over up here already. The snow is melted and the sun is coming out. Shucks, I won't miss that hot desert sun one little bit. Nor will I miss the politics of CA one little bit either.

You can always put on enough to stay warm.
Getting enough off to stay cool is the problem. ;)

coloradokevin
March 9, 2013, 02:34 AM
My state is about to pass some really stupid laws, but I'm staying to fight. There's less and less of "Free America" left these days, and we can't always run from this problem... eventually it will find us again.

As my screen name implies, I'm here in Colorado, where a "high capacity" magazine ban seems imminent, along with mandatory for-fee background checks on all gun transfers (even to family, even private party sales, etc). Ten years ago no one would have EVER thought Colorado would go this direction, and I'm making it my mission to see that it doesn't, or at the very least to see if I can get any measures that are enacted reversed.

For me it is partially a philosophical issue, and partially an issue of practicality. I simply can't pull up anchor right now to move to one of the other states I'd like to live in. I'm in the middle of my career, with a job that provides good pay and benefits, and we're in an economy that doesn't hand out such jobs too easily. Although I'm opposed to the gun control laws that are looming, leaving here isn't as easy for me now as it would have been ten years ago. Such is life.

Nevertheless, I've had plans to pick up some acreage for a recreational/retirement cabin for some years now, which I had always intended to do here in Colorado. Although I'll still be residing in Colorado for the foreseeable future, I may consider purchasing land in a more friendly state (Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, or Montana, for example). At least in that case I'd have a place to retire to, and a place to store some of my goodies!

In the meantime, I'm trying to make sure that I'm well-equipped with some of the items that may prove harder to come by in the future.

paradox998
March 9, 2013, 06:39 PM
I spent my career in upstate NY. Did pretty well and have substantial assets. The passage of the NY Safe act was the last straw. I am leaving and will spend my money in a free state. Politicians need to learn that there are outcomes to attacking our 2nd Amendment rights. One more taxpayer gone. $10k a year less for them to squander.

kgpcr
March 9, 2013, 06:50 PM
I am not going to move. My 2A rights will not be infringed.Its nice i live in a state i dont have that to worry about.

barnbwt
March 9, 2013, 07:47 PM
Funny how the mass migrations are all liberal states to other areas that often have good economies which just happen to be conservative states.
Lice from a burning wig :D

It's (slightly) coincidental, or rather, symptomatic of demographics. Big cities breed sheltered, specialized folks who are largely ignorant of life outside their little specialized niche. Big cities also have limited opportunities once their "booms" are over. So what you get, are a massive outflux of ignorant people seeking opportunity in the unexploited hinterlands, from time to time. My parents fled nearly a half-dozen aluminum smelting plants across the whole nation as energy costs slowly rose enough to make that activity unprofitable in this country. Each time we landed on a new lily pad, we brought our old ways, tried to learn the new ones, and I'm sure ended up changing the character of the community ever so slightly. It's a cyclical convective process.

Since we can't break the migration cycle, the best we can do is try to co-opt as many newcomers as possible. Take your **** neighbors shooting, make sure they see you leaving the house with rifles or cases, show off your collections. As repressive as the state they left is, you can't really expect them to be open to the Gun Culture (read: American Culture :rolleyes:). And become more involved in the community (parent-teacher stuff, neighborhood watch/council, etc.).

TCB

I am not going to move. My 2A rights will not be infringed.Its nice i live in a state i dont have that to worry about.
What a wonderful land you must live in to be so carefree. Just wait until MTV comes to your town and reveals how cool and cheap it is to live there--bar the door, they'll come runnin'! I live in Texas, which is rapidly blue-shifting as I speak precisely because Austin/Dallas have become boomtowns for out of state yuppies and hipsters with money, influence, opinions, and not enough people to call them on their balogna.

Dr.Rob
March 9, 2013, 10:11 PM
Moving? I haven't decided that's something I need to do just yet.

sleepyone
March 10, 2013, 12:32 AM
What a wonderful land you must live in to be so carefree. Just wait until MTV comes to your town and reveals how cool and cheap it is to live there--bar the door, they'll come runnin'! I live in Texas, which is rapidly blue-shifting as I speak precisely because Austin/Dallas have become boomtowns for out of state yuppies and hipsters with money, influence, opinions, and not enough people to call them on their balogna.

I live in Granbury which was selected by CNN as one of four or five small towns to do live broadcasts from their town squares during the Y2K New Year's Eve celebration. I still remember that night vividly. Our town has exploded in growth since then and I can't help but wonder if that broadcast had a little to do with it. Our town square is very authentic and has been voted the best square in TX in the past by certain magazines or travel groups. Anyway, I'm sure CNN was really broadcasting from the small towns to see if everyone would pull out their guns and start shooting each other for no apparent reason if the lights all went out at midnight as was predicted by many so-called experts. They were broadcasting from the roof of an old bank building and had cameras stationed around the square. That was no mistake. They did not want to be on ground zero should all hell break loose.

788Ham
March 10, 2013, 12:40 AM
Before everyone decides to move to colorful Colorado, might check the local paper in the morning, and this next week. Sounds as if all rights for gun owners will be in the crapper, all of the folks showing up and protesting didn't phase them one iota ! The anti's were hell bent on shoving anything through they could get, add and multiply each bill as it proceeded. This used to be a very gun liberal state, all they want now is the hunter, shooters monies, they don't give a hoot in hell what anyone who has a firearm wants, "Sit down and shut up !"

Grassman
March 10, 2013, 12:47 AM
I can't see me ever moving from Texas, if it ever got that bad it would be to another country. If it ever got that bad here in Texas, I can just imagine what the rest of the country would look like.

coloradokevin
March 10, 2013, 01:13 AM
Before everyone decides to move to colorful Colorado, might check the local paper in the morning, and this next week. Sounds as if all rights for gun owners will be in the crapper, all of the folks showing up and protesting didn't phase them one iota ! The anti's were hell bent on shoving anything through they could get, add and multiply each bill as it proceeded. This used to be a very gun liberal state, all they want now is the hunter, shooters monies, they don't give a hoot in hell what anyone who has a firearm wants, "Sit down and shut up !"

Hopefully 2014 puts a wrench in the Democratic Party plans for this state!

nwilliams
March 10, 2013, 01:32 AM
Here in NM and even in my hometown of Santa Fe there have been gun control bills proposed.

If something did get passed I would quit my job, pack my bags and either move back to Arizona or maybe give Texas a try.

I have not and will not live in a State that has gun control laws that I find too strict.

locnload
March 10, 2013, 01:40 AM
If I moved I wouldn't be able to help vote the SOBs out of office. :cuss:

Bad Andy
March 10, 2013, 11:46 AM
Move. And Texas is not that gun friendly or business friendly. Wyoming is the most free state in the Union Utah is #2.

HOWARD J
March 10, 2013, 02:21 PM
Been thru 4 houses & 2 cities----too old to ever move again.
I would stay & fight
Got out of the first city because of guns not gun laws.
Hope the Feds do not pass any really stupid gun laws

Grassman
March 10, 2013, 02:24 PM
Move. And Texas is not that gun friendly or business friendly. Wyoming is the most free state in the Union Utah is #2.
How so? Lived here my whole life. It's pretty good here.

orionengnr
March 10, 2013, 05:09 PM
Hold my breath until I turn blue? :)

abq87120
March 10, 2013, 11:43 PM
Bad laws = AMF (Adios My Friends)

gym
March 11, 2013, 11:56 AM
Did it once would do it again

breakingcontact
March 12, 2013, 12:55 AM
I can't see me ever moving from Texas, if it ever got that bad it would be to another country. If it ever got that bad here in Texas, I can just imagine what the rest of the country would look like.

No, Texas isn't as wild west free as Wyoming or Utah. I'm always telling people this isn't a libertarian Western state it's more of a law and order state where the laws favor us decent people.

I'm planning on getting out of Austin. I've enjoyed living here but it's time to go. Either will be moving outside of town to a "red" county or to a smaller city in Texas or another free state.

kmrcstintn
March 12, 2013, 09:02 PM
I have contemplated this several times lately because I might soon see close friends move out of Pennsylvania to somewhere in the south or west...they seem to feel that things will get bad due to crappy influences in Philly and Pittsburgh; basically what I told them is that I am plain ole stuck! my mortgage is less than 3 years old, I've lost equity, I'm up to my eyeballs in debt (mortgage, car loan, motorcycle loan, credit cards, etc) due to stupid money mismanagement...

I think my exact statement to one of them was "I'm simply stuck...financially a wreck! I'm either gonna go down fighting or do make the best of an absolutley s*&tty situation!"

SigSour
March 12, 2013, 09:31 PM
I don't owe ANY State ANY thing...........for that matter. include the Federal Gov't, and I would move in a heartbeat if the matter was entirely contrary to my personal best interest and belief.

Loyalty, Folks, is a TWO way street!
+1 on that

Thermactor
March 12, 2013, 10:27 PM
I would leave. No reason to patronize or support any aspect of a state that hates freedom.

Robert
March 12, 2013, 10:38 PM
Stay and fight. Why would I want to turn tail and run just because ignorant politicians pushed through some laws I do not agree with? I do not have the luxury of piles of money with which to support my family while I look for work.

I am here. I will fight.

rpchevy02
March 12, 2013, 10:47 PM
If Alabama were to become a gun restrictive state,then all is lost.

blkbrd666
March 12, 2013, 10:50 PM
I would stay and fight until the laws passed, then through the next election. If things didn't change, I would leave pretty much immediately. In my case, I could easily move across the river since I have always lived in border cities.

rpchevy02
March 12, 2013, 10:53 PM
Oh by the way, stay and fight.:fire:

sleepyone
March 12, 2013, 11:25 PM
Stay and fight. Why would I want to turn tail and run just because ignorant politicians pushed through some laws I do not agree with? I do not have the luxury of piles of money with which to support my family while I look for work.

I am here. I will fight.

Wise words. It's a good thing the Founding Fathers did not pull up stakes and head west, north, south or east when the British starting putting the screws to them. Oh wait, they did not have that choice. The French had the west and the north, the Native Americans and Spanish had much of the south and the east was..... well, a bunch of water.

Ohio Gun Guy
March 12, 2013, 11:31 PM
I would fight, but if we lost, If it were something like NY and CO is contemplating.... I think I would move. I worry about Ohio. We get more Blue with every election. Farming and Rural life get rolled up into growing Cities (I've done it too) and the culture changes (I'm hanging on).


The problem with Texas is that it seems like 75% of the population thinks there's enough room in Texas if things get bad. LOL

sleepyone
March 13, 2013, 01:40 AM
The problem with Texas is that it seems like 75% of the population thinks there's enough room in Texas if things get bad. LOL

Yep! There's plenty of room alright, but not too many Yankees or city folks would make it very long in the Chihuahuan Desert. Neither would I for that matter, and I'm a country boy.

joeschmoe
March 13, 2013, 02:19 AM
There's plenty of room in West Texas. Just remember to bring your own water though.

tarosean
March 13, 2013, 02:37 AM
The problem with Texas is that it seems like 75% of the population thinks there's enough room in Texas if things get bad. LOL

and if enough people move here we will be faced with the same BS as with CO, etc.

Im lucky enough to be employed to where I can live anywhere in the world.. If it got bad enough I can find somewhere to live on this little planet.

bikerbill
March 13, 2013, 10:11 AM
As soon as I retired (10 years ago, and don't EVER let people tell you retirement sucks, cause it doesn't!), trekked from CA to TX ... Got the CHL I could never get in CA, have been carrying for the past 9 years ... I don't see TX passing any anti-gun legislation, at least in what's left of my life ... it's like heaven here if you love firearms ...

HorseSoldier
March 13, 2013, 10:15 PM
Texas and the Deep South have very strong regional cultures that have withstood carpet bagging before and make them better able to resist it now, in my opinion. Going by money, influence and proximity to the profound stupid that is DC, and everything else, Virginia should be just as bad as Maryland, but something has innoculated it better, and I think that is the Southern "cultural complex" if you will.

Myles
March 15, 2013, 03:41 AM
I left Florida when Jeb was elected. GD carpet bagger. You can leave any time that you like.

BigBore44
March 15, 2013, 04:01 AM
The question to stand and fight or run and live to fight another day is counterproductive if half move and half stay. If you leave and your neighbor stays then the person who moves into your house would have to be a pro 2A VOTER just to keep it even which is still losing. And idk that many pro 2A people are going to purposefully move to an anti-2A state. This is why we need our pro 2A citizens to freaking VOTE!

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