22 revolver single action help


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coachshanes
March 6, 2013, 03:21 PM
I have been looking at 22 revolvers for months. I don't like the Chiappa. Not bad, but the guy I dealt with passed away last fall. Since then the only other dealer in our town has raised his prices on everything and doesn't seem to interesed in ordering any other gun. Just wants to sell me the Chiappa that he has had since last summer. So that said i have decided on either the Heritage or the Puma Legacy single action 22. Can you please give insight on these two. I am ready to pull the trigger and make a purchase. Thanks for the help.

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capcyclone
March 6, 2013, 06:05 PM
There are people that will tell you otherwise, but I have a Heritage Rough Rider 22LR/22mag single action. It's a knock-off the Ruger Single Six. While I will agree it's certainly no Ruger Single Six, I've really enjoyed my Heritage...and for the price it has been a great revolver and cured my desire for a single action revolver.

I hope to own a Ruger Single Six some day, but until I'm ready to spend the $ for that....the Heritage has been fine.

coachshanes
March 6, 2013, 06:28 PM
I appreciate it. I like the safety on the puma legacy better. And I too am on a budget. I appreciate the info. Thanks.

45Frank
March 6, 2013, 06:53 PM
I love my Ruger. Two cyl. and real accurate! I don't consider myself a good shot but everyone of my friends who shoot this says the same thing, wow that pretty accurate.
One other thing I have been visiting a lot of shops here in WNC and have noticed Revolvers and Lever Actions have either stood reasonable or have gone down some, I would avoid Pawn shops they have just gone thru the roof with everything though.

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TennJed
March 6, 2013, 10:20 PM
I may be mistaken, but I think the Puma and the Chiappa are the same gun just rebranded. If you like the Puma I think the Chiappa would be just as good

Driftwood Johnson
March 6, 2013, 11:20 PM
Howdy

There is an old saying. You get what you pay for.

In 1975 a brand, spanky new Ruger Blackhawk chambered for 45 Colt with an auxiliary cylinder chambered for 45 ACP cost $150. That was with 1975 dollars. Obviously, with inflation $150 will not buy that much gun today.

Personally I suggest you start haunting the gun shops and look for a used Ruger Single Six. Yes, it will probably cost more than $150. But you will get a gun that will last a lifetime. I handled one of those Heritage guns a few years ago and I was not impressed. I doubt it will last a lifetime.

You get what you pay for.

bannockburn
March 7, 2013, 12:11 AM
coachshanes

Got to agree with Driftwood Johnson; I think that a used Ruger Single Six is a much better gun and a much better value than a new Heritage Arms Rough Rider. For a better selection try looking for other nearby gunshops and maybe check and see if there are any gunshows in your area.

CajunBass
March 7, 2013, 03:58 AM
I think the Ruger is a better gun too. I've got one now, and have owned a couple of others in the past. I'll bet the OP agrees with us.

I'm sort of half heartedly looking for a Heritage Rough Rider myself. No, they're not Rugers, which most people seem to compare them to. To me they're more like the Old Colt Frontier Scouts, which I've owned a couple of too. Not as good a Ruger, (Or a Colt New Frontier) but still a decent gun for the money.

The other two I've never even seen, so I can't comment on them.

MedWheeler
March 7, 2013, 02:57 PM
The general consensus is that the Chiappa is below the Heritage on the food chain of S/A revolvers, but I've never handled one. I do own the Heritage, and really enjoy it. Below is the text from my "firt-impression" range report, posted shortly after I bought the gun last November..


Okay, I know it is what it is, but I had been wanting one for some reason for quite some time, then eventually forgot about it. Yesterday, I stopped by the LGS to see if a .22LR rifle I'd seen there over the weekend was still there. It was some off-name-I-can't-remember bolt-action, tube mag, with a scope on it. To my chagrin, it was gone. I look over and see this guy looking at the HRR revolver, but he didn't like the price. As the store guy is putting it away, I ask for it, surprised the store (more like a showroom, really) even had one. Turned out they had a few. This one has the four-something-inch barrel, and both cylinders. The balance felt real good, almost too natural, and the hammer-cocking action very slick. I had him write it up, and it went home with me (one from the back, which I also checked out, not the "window" sample.)

Today, I got to the range with it. Also tagging along were my two carry pieces (PF9 and P32), my dressed-up 10/22 rifle, my Taurus PT-22, and my Ruger Service Six. These were about all I could carry.

I had with me a few boxes of CCI MiniMags for the semi-autos, and an old 500-count box of Winchester Super-X stuff I've had for several years. Never worked reliably in my 22s, all but one of which are semis, and the one that wasn't is a single-shot, so these never got fired off. They did today, though. I could not stop shooting this thing! It's heavy, slow to load/unload, and limited in capacity (six rounds), but it was very hard to put down. The first several sets were fired at ten yards, and POI was about two inches below POA. This was probably at least partially due to the weight of the gun dampening any recoil I might have been used to. But, the groups were small, about 2 inches in offhand fire at that range with slow, deliberate aim. Some of that size is likely me; my eyes aren't what they once were. I have no doubt someone more skilled and experienced with this gun (or this type of gun) could have squeezed out smaller groups, and I will myself, too.

At 21 yards, I had to use the rifle scope to see the holes in the targets. I wasn't even trying at that point anymore, but I had left the target there during a string of rifle fire (I was switching firearms at times.) Every time I move the target puller, it takes the target holder several seconds to a minute to stop bouncing, so I quit moving it so much. Just kept lighting off rounds for the fun of it. Just felt good, and like it was meant for nothing more than fun. In fact, the other guns didn't get shot a total combined number or rounds equal to what the Rider got shot. I think I fired maybe 250 from it. Remember, that's from a single-action, six-shooter. The PT-22 and the P32 never even came out, and the PF9, usually shot fifty rounds in a session, saw maybe three mags full. The rifle, with its 25-round magazine, saw maybe 125 rounds, and the Service Six, maybe 30.
At one point, the two large Diet Coke fountain drinks I'd had on the way to the range started kicking in, messing with my aim, but I didn't want to pack it in yet. I only stopped when I finally had to, uh, go.

So, that's my initial impression of this entry-level cowboy-style plinker. I had not brought the WMR cylinder; never had any ammo for it, so I didn't review that.
What I liked: Balance/heft, slickness of both the hammer-cocking action, and the ejector, the trigger pull, and the better-than-fair accuracy for the price. I have no doubt this could be called on to put a bunny or squirrel in the stewpot if the need ever came up. Just easy to point and shoot, and this is my first S/A revolver (other than my two cap-n-ball guns, neither of which I've ever fired.)
What I could do without: the goofy safety thingy. Not used to them on wheelguns, but it's easy to get used to. The hammer and trigger work with it on or off but, if it's on, the hammer stops just ever-so-short of the pin. The gun is, according to Heritage, not drop-safe, so the rule of leaving the chamber under the hammer empty when the gun is carried applies, leaving you with only five rounds ready.
Also, it's very easy to accidentally snap the load gate shut while you're loading and unloading. Can't count the number of times I did that.
So, that's that. It's a sub-$200 gun, not a Single-Six or a Colt, but I think I'll be looking for excuses to have it out and about. I'm definitely pleased with it so far. Looking forward to finishing up the box, and maybe trying out the other cylinder....

the Black Spot
March 7, 2013, 04:24 PM
I use a heritage on my trapline for a beater gun, to save wear on my '58 ruger single six(which has been on my trapline many years and survived five drops in the mud and water). The first year with the heritage i replaced the hand spring after it broke. For general use, ocasional heavy plinking i think u ok.

murf
March 7, 2013, 05:20 PM
spend the money on a ruger and never look back, imop.

murf

ladyvette
March 7, 2013, 05:26 PM
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murf
March 7, 2013, 05:53 PM
ladyvette,

welcome to thr.

go back to the revolver forum. there will be a blue sign near the top that says "new thread". click on that and ask your question.

murf

USAF_Vet
March 7, 2013, 08:58 PM
I saw a used Ruger single six at my LGS for $299 and let it slip away. Thankfully, I have one I can shoot whenever I want, and it'll be mine sooner or later anyway, so I'm not too bummed.

If this is something you plan to shoot once a week, save a little more and buy a quality gun. A good used Ruger should go for about $300, give or take a few bucks. it'll also last you a lifetime, your kids lifetime and quite possibly your grandkids lifetime, provided it's well taken care of.

If you are looking for something to shoot once or twice a year, the Heritage Rough Rider will suit you just fine. With light use, it'll last probably as long as any well used Ruger.

You usually get what you pay for, and in rare cases get more (like a good used Ruger) or less (like some of the Heritage guns).

I know someone who has a Heritage, and he shoots it once or twice a year. His will last a good long while, because after the 50 or so rounds it shoots every labor day, it gets cleaned, oiled, put back in its case and placed on a shelf until the next year.

But for a gun that expects to see 5000 rounds a year, the Heritage just doesn't have the same life expectancy as the Ruger.

CajunBass
March 7, 2013, 10:41 PM
I stopped at the local Gander Mountain today to look around. They had a couple of rough riders for a pretty good price so I decided to go ahead and pick one up. I got a dual cylinder model with a 6 1/2 barrel. Generally I don't like barrels that long, but in this case I'll live with it.

First impressions. Not as bad as I remember some used one's I'd seen a few years ago. The finish, which I take to be some kind of paint is actually quite nice, as are the grips. I'm not sure what kind of wood they are, but they look nice, and fit reasonably well. but they are a little thinner than I really like. The trigger after just a couple of dry fires (catching the hammer fall with my thumb) isn't bad either. The safety so many people don't seem to like is a "big deal" to me. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. Load one, skip one, load four, hammer back and down on an empty chamber. Nothing to it. The front sight is centered where it's supposed to be, at least to my uncalibrated eye.

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It has a good solid feel to it. A bit muzzle heavy, but I expected that with the longer barrel. I'll bet it would be nice with a 5" tube. Like most single actions it points naturally

I hope to give it a try out behind the house tomorrow. I'll see how it does at holding off the zombie soup cans out there.

nosmr2
March 8, 2013, 07:56 AM
I like my Heritage for what it is, a $79 22 revolver. You get what you pay for and you pay for what you get.

zerofournine
March 8, 2013, 09:11 AM
I just picked up two Chiappa single actions yesterday for $170 each out the door. I got the "antique" finish, which is basically sponge painted black crud over unpolished alloy. The chambers in the cylinder are lined with steel, and the barrel insert is steel, but most of the gun is alloy. The fit is terrible, and the gun rattles like loose change when you pick it up. One of the guns has a half finished sight notch carved in it. Neither gun has the keyed safety lock that the Puma has. These Chiappas were made in Dayton, Ohio and not Italy.

Did I get my money's worth? Yes, I did, and let me tell you why.

If I get the chance to take someone new out to shoot, I am not going to hand them my Colts, or even my Rugers, until I am absolutely sure they understand how to cycle a single action properly. I also needed a gun to practice drawing and spinning with. The Chiappa is a gun that I would not feel any sense of regret dropping, breaking or scratching all to heck. The gun is a practice device. Don't get me wrong, the thing goes bang every time you pull the trigger, but it's not a gun you plan on keeping on your top shelf. It belongs in the bottom of the range bag ready for teaching and plinking. It's worth $170 just for that.

Also, you can polish the Chiappa to a pretty decent finish with Flitz. I am working on one now.

Deer_Freak
March 8, 2013, 10:34 AM
I have a Heritage Rough Rider with a 9" barrel. I will be the first to admit it is not as nice as a single six. But I have shot it thousands of times with no problems. Due to the fact I can shoot on my own property I have shot more than most people shoot a pistol in a lifetime. Not to mention every kid in the neighborhood has cut his teeth shooting a pistol with the Rough Rider. For $150 you get a lot of pistol.

MedWheeler
March 8, 2013, 12:03 PM
Deer_Freak writes:

I have a Heritage Rough Rider with a 9" barrel.

Didn't know they made one that long.. :what:

For $150 you get a lot of pistol.

I guess..!

capcyclone
March 8, 2013, 12:12 PM
Actually, I can't disagree with the suggestion to locate a used Single Six. But again, you're going to be in it for at least $300. You can still pick up a Rough Rider for what....$150? Again, it may not last your lifetime and it won't be one you pass on to your son, but if you're just looking to scratch an itch for a SA 22 revolver to plink with, you aren't going to be disappointed.

MedWheeler
March 8, 2013, 11:29 PM
Stopped by my local gun shop (more like a "showroom", about the size of the gun section at a typical Gander Mountain store) today, and they did have a secondhand Single-Six, blued with the 4.75 inch barrel. It was marked at $379.

They also had a new HRR, with the same barrel, but the swirl-pattern wood grip that mine does not have. That one was marked $279, more than the $200 I paid for mine in November. This shop is typically more expensive than some of the smaller ones I've been in.

280shooter
March 8, 2013, 11:46 PM
I enjoyed my ruger single 6 ,stainless I can also shoot 22 Mags too, 6 1/2 in, shoots great, not one problem. and I ad it for over 30 years...And I can get parts for it ,

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