Winchester .225


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PS229
March 7, 2013, 08:50 PM
My father recently gave me a Winchester model 70 in .225. (I think this is the correct model) It has been in the box since 1970 give or take, and I was wondering what type of game could be hunted with this gun. Or should I leave it in the box unfired?

Thanks.

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rcmodel
March 7, 2013, 08:57 PM
It is a long range Varmint rifle in the 22-250 / .220 Swift class.

Anything from gophers to coyotes.

I can't advise you one the best course of action as far as using or selling.

But .225 Winchester ammo is hard to find anymore.
Winchester still loads it on a seasonal basis, so get it when you can find it.
http://www.natchezss.com/Ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=WN&prodID=WNX2251&prodTitle=Winchester® Super-X® Centerfire Rifle - .225 Win. 55gr PSP 20/Box

So unless you reload, selling to a Winchester collector would probably be in your best interest.

rc

PS229
March 7, 2013, 09:09 PM
Thanks for the input. I'm thinking of keeping it. I have the original box,receipt,ammo and Winchester sales brochure. It's also unfired and hopefully will be worth some money in a few years.

bantam9
March 7, 2013, 11:36 PM
I have a savage 340 in 225win, and 300pcs of new brass. I figure the gun will be my boys someday. Components for it aren't terribly hard to find. Pick up some brass and you're good to go. Get some 70gr speer, and you have a deer killer with proper shot placement.
It's pretty cool to have something that just isn't made anymore.

joed
March 8, 2013, 04:29 PM
Where's the pictures???

That's a nice one. No one sells a .225 anymore though but that doesn't mean anything. It's a great cartridge that never caught on. You can still get ammo and I wouldn't sell it if I were you.

Lj1941
March 8, 2013, 07:07 PM
I had a Savage Model 340 that I bought back around 1966 for the price of about $65. I sold it like a fool when ammunition became scarce. I sold it to a friends son after he borrowed it and got his first deer with it with some of my handloads.As I recall the load was a 70 Speer Semi spitzer with a nice shooting maximum charge of WW 760. He used a neck shot and had meat in the pot.I still have the RCBS dies for it,if anyone should be interested in them.The 225 Win is a good caliber that never took off because of Remington introducing the 22-250 in their Model 700.

HOOfan_1
March 8, 2013, 07:11 PM
.225 was originally intended to be used by Winchester as a replacement for the .220 Swift. It has a tiny tiny bit less velocity than the .22-250.

My dad a Savage 340 in .225 before a "gusmith" (more like a hack) ruined it.

I shot a groundhog at 350 yards with that gun.

PS229
March 8, 2013, 09:21 PM
Finally got pictures of my .225 and a 30.06. The .225 was purchased in 1969 for $118.43 plus tax. I couldn't believe the price, but that was 1969.

MCgunner
March 8, 2013, 09:22 PM
Rimmed ammo based on the .30-30 case. I can't recall, but I'm thinkin' factory used flat nose and was available maybe in the 94, a tube magged gun. Again, I'm not sure of that. Anyway, the 340 Savage was a bolt gun. I had one in .30-30 and handloaded 150 spitzers for it. Danged accurate rifle, MOA with even factory ammo. I didn't know the M70 was chambered for .225, interesting. Should be a tack driver. :D I'd just HAVE to shoot it, myself. Dies, brass, bullets, powder, a little research and I'd be firing up the chronograph. :D

HOOfan_1
March 8, 2013, 10:14 PM
The .225 was designed specifically for the Win 70 and 670, not a tubular magazine gun.

It was semi-rimmed.

MCgunner
March 8, 2013, 10:17 PM
Semi rimmed, okay, clears that up. The Savage 340 bolt gun I had would chamber it, but the extractor needed a rim (or semi rim) to grab on to. It was only available in .225 and .30-30. Cheap gun, but unbelievable accurate in .30-30 and I suppose in .225, too.

conrad427
March 8, 2013, 11:39 PM
I just looked it up in COTW voulme 11. You can neck a 30-30 down to .22. Shorten the case, turn the rim to .473 and slightly improve the case with fire-forming. Should keep a .225 running for ever. The whole process sound like fun too!

toiville2feathers
March 9, 2013, 01:01 AM
If you have a 225 win NIB, unfired and that kind of paperwork, you can sell it to a collector and buy at least 2 custom built varmint guns. I wish I had the money to make you an offer but I know its out of my league of collecting.
I have my Dads 225 rifle. Its a model 54 Win with a 3 digit serial # built in 1925. I have turned down a lot of money for that one a time or two. Ammo for it is manufactured on a seasonal basis from time to time and reloading components are available for it. I bought 50 rounds of new brass from "the Old Scrounger" 3 years ago.
Is the 30-06 also unfired?

natman
March 9, 2013, 03:07 AM
If you have a 225 win NIB, unfired and that kind of paperwork, you can sell it to a collector and buy at least 2 custom built varmint guns. I wish I had the money to make you an offer but I know its out of my league of collecting.

I have to agree. Unless you're an advanced reloader ammo scarcity makes it an impractical shooter anyway, so best to either keep it NIB as a keepsake or sell it to a collector.


I have my Dads 225 rifle. Its a model 54 Win with a 3 digit serial # built in 1925.

The 225 was introduced in 1964, so your Model 54 wasn't originally chambered for it. Is it a custom job or is it actually chambered for something else?

StrawHat
March 9, 2013, 06:51 AM
While a nice cartridge, the 225 was doomed by the wildcat 22-250. Much easier to form. When the 22-250 was commercialized, the 225 was really on the way out. Both cartridges get about the same from the bullets but the 22-250 got all the press.

toiville2feathers
March 9, 2013, 02:13 PM
It stamped as a model 54 and its stamped as 225 win, but the caliber stampimg don't match the other stamping, Winchester records say it was a 270. they don't have a record of being redone. I guess it could have been a blank 54 barrel, but Winchester says they don't supply them that way.
So all in all I have yet to find out how this rifle ended up like this

PS229
March 9, 2013, 02:47 PM
To toiville2feathers yes the 30.06 is also unfired. I think he bought it in 1968, but i'm not positive. I'm definitely going to keep them, and try to figure out a value.

bantam9
March 11, 2013, 03:25 PM
Lj1941,
PM sent to you.

bantam

stiab
March 11, 2013, 06:11 PM
Here's a little known .225 fact: Jim "Catfish" Hunter, the Cy Young award and World Series winning pitcher for the Oakland A's from near Hertford, NC, deer hunted with a .225 rifle in the 1970's, before he died much too young.

Savage99
March 11, 2013, 11:17 PM
That rifles primary value to me would be that my father gave it to me!

If there are plentiful woodchucks where you live then scope it up and hunt with it.

Don't expect it to have great collectors value. It looks like a push feed with pressed 'checkering.

Brianc1704
May 3, 2014, 11:48 PM
Hello, my name is Brian and I'm new to the sight and I'm trying to learn a little about a bunch of guns I was given by my late grandfather last year. The gun I have started with is a .225 model 70 unfired with box, tags, and manuals with warranty card and reciept. It has a kahles Wien 39x scope Leupold adj. mounts
Walnut stock, leather sling, hooded front sights, drop plate. Serial is 7606xx. I have a guy wanting to buy from me offering around 1000.00 seems kinda low to me. I appreciate any help or advice.

Brianc1704
May 3, 2014, 11:51 PM
More pics

Brianc1704
May 3, 2014, 11:52 PM
And one more...

HOOfan_1
May 3, 2014, 11:56 PM
$1000 seems high to me

Art Eatman
May 4, 2014, 11:58 AM
The checkering looks like it's pressed, so that would make it '64 or later, which is not the usual collector's "I want!" If you don't want to keep it as a sentimental item and as a using gun, I'd say jump all over a $1,000 offer.

handloader357
May 4, 2014, 12:11 PM
$1000 for a post 64 non CRF gun in an odd caliber is alot of money IMHO. If the sentimental value isn't there for you then id sell it in a heartbeat.

Doc.Holliday
May 4, 2014, 10:08 PM
I had a model 670 in 1978 in 225 cal and it was a deadly little gun to 300 yds if I did my part. Sold it around 1980.

Offfhand
May 5, 2014, 04:33 PM
The current issue of the Blue Book Of Gun Values lists a new-in-box M-70 Winchester in .225 at $1,200. Winchester made only a few rifles in .225 caliber, hence the reason they have a collector's of upwards of twice as much as other post '64 M-70s in standard calibers. The Blue Book tends to to be rather conservative in their evaluations, with guns typically actually selling for more than listing price. If you consider selling your rifle don't be shy about asking $1,500.

natman
May 5, 2014, 06:28 PM
There have been several 70s in 225 offered on Gunbroker and few of them have commanded prices over $1000. There's one on there now for $700. Occasionally heavy barrels have gone for over $1000; one that did is a heavy barrel with breathtaking wood (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=405964695).

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