[dak0ta]

The heavy-hitter equivalent of the pea-shooting AR-15 picture thread! :) Let's seem 'em! Anything that fires a full power rifle cartridge is game! M14, FAL, G3, M1 Garand, SVT 40, Milsurps!

Here's my M14 - 7.62x51 NATO

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/knightofcydonia87/Firearms/M14/988da55d-05e6-46dd-b617-f8e5f33dfcbb_zpsed257b9f.jpg

I need a M6 bayonet...
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/knightofcydonia87/Firearms/M14/WP_000106_zps0674c51d.jpg

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/knightofcydonia87/Firearms/M14/538f5fdf-f794-43e5-ad32-96ad4033146e_zps38729482.jpg

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/knightofcydonia87/Firearms/M14/WP_000104_zps2c237131.jpg

[ID-shooting]

What about the in betweens? Say, 7.62x39?

[PGT]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/PatagonianGT/GunStuff/Saiga308v21.jpg

[Ian]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176989&stc=1&d=1357079337

Costs 5 grand for a repro in either 8mm or .308. Given the way M1A pricing is going, that'll be pretty competitive before too much longer...

[dak0ta]

That's a beauty! Semi-auto or FA? Is that chambered in 8x57?

[TCBPATRIOT]

I don't even know what that is but I know I like it.

[dak0ta]

It's an FG-42 developed by the Germans in WWII. It was issued to paratroopers (FG for Fallschirmjaeger). Has a cool diopter sight, folding bipod, 8x57 cartridge, typical futuristic and AGGRESSIVE German styling/design, not very controllable in full auto, but accurate in semi-auto.

The guy shooting above has videos on Youtube:

jN4lvZbAe04

[TCBPATRIOT]

Hpmh I learn something new everyday as a kid I was fascinated by everything WW2 and never heard of it. Looks cool nonetheless.

[nwilliams]

My heavy hitter. PTR-91 that I camo'd to give it that retro european woodland look.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/PTR-91/PTR91-1_zps66bc9e0c.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/PTR-91/PTR91-2_zps13cb20ea.jpg

[rugerdude]

M14 Designated Marksman Rifle

I certainly never felt under-gunned.
http://i.imgur.com/bYCrb5l.jpg

Also, before anyone tries to mention trigger discipline: The safety is located inside the trigger guard, so I index my finger on the safety.

[JShirley]

My favorite battle rifle is my M1917.
Your definition excludes a lot of battle rifles- there is no requirement to be self-loading.
John

[dak0ta]

Sorry pulled that definition from Wiki without really reading it completely. Yes, bolt-actions are game too.

[TexasPatriot.308]

I was a grunt 40 years ago, think most modern day grunts will agree...the puny 5.56 whether in M16 or M4 whatever they call em nowadays is a hammer, though a small hammer. the M14 by any name is a sledge hammer by any name, face off 600 yards or meters, 7.62 x 39 or M4 against an M14....you lose.

[1858]

rugerdude,
What the heck kind of shovel is that behind you? That must have a 10' handle on it?!!

[dak0ta]

I'd say it's a modern day pike/spade/entrenching tool 3 in 1. Can stop cavalry charges I bet.

[highpower]

How about a few Springfields?

Top to bottom:
Remington '03-A3
Smith-Corona '03-A3
Remington 1903
Springfield 1903 (1918)
Springfield 1903 (1906)

http://highpower.smugmug.com/Firearms/Springfield-1903/i-3xLZqwX/0/XL/IMG_1621-XL.jpg

[1858]

Lee-Enfield No4 Mk2 ...

http://thr.mcmxi.org/rifles/lee-enfield/no4_mk2/photos/lee_enfield_4.jpg

Springfield M1A Scout Squad ...

http://thr.mcmxi.org/rifles/springfield/m1a/scout_squad/photos/scout.jpg

DSA SA58 PARA ...

http://thr.mcmxi.org/rifles/dsa/fal_sa58_para/photos/fal_para_2.jpg

[rugerdude]

@ 1858 Yeah, I would imagine it's for digging canals without actually having to get into the trench. You find tons of strange stuff in Afghan homes.

[Eaglestroker]

I like a full sized Garand and have one or two. I'll have a 'Mini G' conversion this summer. Cheaper than a Scout length M1A by more than a little and I already have a surplus of ammo for it.

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae95/Ssthis07GT/mini-g-2_zps0f4c84aa.jpg

[TCBPATRIOT]

Hey Rugerdude, I'm in contention for that being my issue rifle. I'm only a guardsman now but I carried a SAM-R on my last deployment in 2009-2010 I loved it.

[Trent]

Oh dear... this thread is going to make me dig out the camera tomorrow.

I love "battle rifle" show & tell. It's what I collect. :)

:evil:

[tahunua001]

you aware that there is already a milsurp thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=703938) going on that is less than 2 weeks old and is still ongoing?

[Girodin]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=175853&d=1354821291

[nwilliams]

you aware that there is already a milsurp thread going on that is less than 2 weeks old and is still ongoing?

And.....

There is a difference between battle rifles (as defined in this thread) and military surplus guns.

[tahunua001]

There is a difference between battle rifles (as defined in this thread) and military surplus guns.
words of the OP himself
Let's seem 'em! Anything that fires a full power rifle cartridge is game! M14, FAL, G3, M1 Garand, SVT 40, Milsurps!... Yes, bolt-actions are game too.
bolt actions are battle rifles, just as much as semi autos and full autos are as well.

anything in this thread could also fit in the already existing milsurps thread.

[nwilliams]

anything in this thread could also fit in the already existing milsurps thread.
Not really. Military surplus usually refers to guns that were manufactured for a military during times of war and then sold to the civilian public after, hence surplus.

There are a few surplus rifles in this thread but there are more here that wouldn't fit into the milsurp thread.

[tahunua001]

sooo... the springfields, FG42, PTR91, whatever PGT posted(I'm guessing a vepr of some kind?), enfield, M14, SA58, and m1 garand never belonged to any military force?
so far every picture that's been posted with the exception of a couple M1as which unless you are a real nit picker could pass as a M14 reproduction would be passable as a military surplus rifle and therefore welcome in the milsurps picture thread.

[OldTex]

For starters.....

Not milsurp but definitely a heavy hitter at long range, a GAP Crusader in .308

http://www.pbase.com/texindian/image/137190428.jpg

LaRue 7.62 OBR before a lot of dressing out

http://www.pbase.com/texindian/image/141910156.jpg
Including a NV option:
http://www.pbase.com/texindian/image/148759004.jpg

And an M1A in JAE stock
http://www.pbase.com/texindian/image/149107160.jpg

[AethelstanAegen]

FG42, [...] whatever PGT posted(I'm guessing a vepr of some kind?)

Actually, yes those aren't milsurps. Ian's FG42 in that picture is a reproduction and that .308 AK, and the Mini-G M1 (to name but a few so far) were never sold as military surplus. This thread and the milsurp thread are not the same thing at all. Why not post some pictures or just pass by the thread instead of being a busy-body with nothing to contribute? Seriously, dude, if you don't like a thread you don't have to post in it, especially to make a critique that's wrong anyways.

Do please continue with the battle rifle pictures...they're awesome so far! OldTex, I'm usually a big fan of the original-style wood stocks on M1A's but I've got to admit that JAE stock is pretty swanky.

[dak0ta]

Hey fellas, nice looking rifles you all got. I'm glad that I started this thread now as it seems to be a hit mostly. Feel free to open discuss, debate, or ask questions regarding battle rifles, I'm sure there are some experts among us.

Cheers!

[Girodin]

sooo... the springfields, FG42, PTR91, whatever PGT posted(I'm guessing a vepr of some kind?), enfield, M14, SA58, and m1 garand never belonged to any military force?


I'm pretty sure that none of the Springfields posted belonged to a military force. I'm positive the PTR91 wasn't. Those are not military surplus guns that have then been sold to civilians. They are guns produced for and originally sold to civilians. As such they are not mil surps (military surplus). And they never belonged to a military. They may be derived from designs that were/are used by military. That, however, is simply not the same as being a mil surp gun. I think you have a misunderstanding of what a milsurp gun is. It is a gun that is just what its name implies, a surplus military that is then sold. Guns like Moisins, 1903s, k31s, enfields, etc, etc,

so far every picture that's been posted with the exception of a couple M1as which unless you are a real nit picker could pass as a M14 reproduction would be passable as a military surplus rifle and therefore welcome in the milsurps picture thread.

In addition to the guns pointed out in post 29 as not being mil surps the saiga S308 isn't one nor is the DSA FAL. In fact only a the rifles posted in post 16 and the enfield in 17 are mil surps. As such lets not bicker further about whether there is some cross over between this and another thread. Enjoy it or leave it be.

[Ian]

Here's a couple more oddballs:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=180997&stc=1&d=1362744399

[Adam123]

VEPR 7.62x54R

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8088/8495732587_4114da5337_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8381/8495703879_aceb557842_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8373/8495730393_548f1ae232_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8226/8495696787_fda7704638_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8242/8496800164_37ebd72c92_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8528/8496839852_ea3b1fd297_c.jpg

[PGT]

OOOF. That's hot. :D

My first post was my Saiga 308 Version 21 (21" barrel, "normal" trigger group from the factory and thumbhole furniture) with a BeLoMo red dot sight.

Here's what I got to replace it:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/PatagonianGT/Swizz_K-31_1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/PatagonianGT/Swizz_K-31_7.jpg

[Trent]

Not a good cameraman.

But maybe this will induce cardial infarction in any trolling anti-gunners.

http://i.imgur.com/0noPfLL.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/oJgr4p5.jpg?1

(Sorry some of the "junior varsity" got mixed in with the "battle rifles")

[AethelstanAegen]

Here's a couple more oddballs:

Ian, is the Enfield in the bottom picture one of the semi-auto conversions? It might just be my eyes playing tricks on me but it looks like there is a gas system structure added to the hidden side of the gun.

[Trent]

Ian, you've got some cool guns, dude. ;)

How do you come across that rare oddball stuff anyway?!

[natescout]

WOOD AND STEEL...

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm10/natesyz250/ec51d094-e64c-42e1-aec0-439b646a3efd_zps789e1ad6.jpg

[Ian]

Sadly, Trent, they are almost all guns I have fiddled with, not guns I actually own myself. I get my hands on them by being interested and hanging around advanced collectors for a long time.

AethelstanAegen - Yes, that's a British Howell semiauto conversion of an SMLE. (http://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifles/howell-automatic-rifle/)

Here's my favorite battle rifle...it's definitely not the best by any objective measure, but I just really like it:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181019&stc=1&d=1362773596

Most early selfloading rifles are pretty awkward and heavy, but the Cei Rigotti really fit me great and was very nice handling (I didn't get to shoot it, though). Perhaps this has something to do with the designer having an infantry background rather than being a civilian inventor/engineer?

[GCMkc]

PTR-91k. Hits with authority.

[Trent]

Ian, every time you post a picture of an old gun that I've never heard of I waste a half a day looking for one to buy, only to be disappointed. :)

Most of my 'rare' stuff doesn't qualify as a 'battle rifle'.

I might be able to get away with this one, since I *could* actually shoulder it. Not very effectively... but.. I could. :)

http://i.imgur.com/MRGDw.jpg?2

Unfortunately (or fortunately, with the price of ammo!) mine is Semi.

I did get the opportunity to shoot a full auto at KCR once.

UGvxYGcOfAY

[1 old 0311-1]

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/kcq1/P1020900_zpsf4c3a46a.jpg

[Trent]

I take it you are a Yugo M70 fan? :)

Nice guns.

EDIT:

Hey what pistol grip is on those lower two? Those look comfy.

[ifit]

Ian, really enjoy your videos:cool:, fan of czech firearms and came across one of your videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TTGC4zz6eA, if only they massed produced these i would definately get one. and the zh29 very interesting but the bolt release....:eek:

[MCgunner]

Chambered for 8x57


http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh305/goose150/PICT0364.jpg

[Trent]

Nice Hakim!

[Ian]

Thanks, ifit. The 420S was a great piece of machinery, but in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[HorseSoldier]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/jboschma/081707_14371.jpg

Real Austrian StG-58 (part of the foreign weapons set we had for training back when I was assigned to the secret squirrel world).

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/jboschma/HK21.jpg

HK 21 from the same source.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/jboschma/Type5.jpg

Japanese Type 5, their clone of the Garand that was never produced beyond a few experimental models (from the Buffalo Bill Historical Center).

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j132/jboschma/RhodieRtSide.jpg

Rhodesian parts kit built FAL.

[Medusa]

Those two are fun. I still have no love for G3, I can manage with it, but no warm feelings nonetheless. Other is Finnish, dated 1935.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181094&stc=1&d=1362832861

Spent a lot of time with that, learning all kinds of ropes and hangs.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181095&stc=1&d=1362832861

No explanation needed. Works just as well today as during those times.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181096&stc=1&d=1362832861

As far as battle rifles go, I do like that the most, at least until my own SCAR-H or SSR.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181097&stc=1&d=1362832861

I do have a secret fancy for the FG42, even a repro, but that has to wait a bit...

[dak0ta]

Chris Costa running an M1A

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/549900_551844698180773_1068833597_n.jpg

[ball3006]

but I love my M1D Garand and my MAS 49/56......chris3

[stubbicatt]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j187/stubbicatt/Tula%20SVT40/IMG_0187_zpsd89a8fd8.jpg

Neat old SVT40.

[Warp]

Garand with Leupold 2.5x IER scope in Ultimak M12 mount

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/austin3161324/Firearms/20130202_205554_zpsf8c9b165.jpg

[MachIVshooter]

Modern:

Armalite AR-10A2C

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/AR-10_zps9fed040c.jpg

DSA SA58 Para carbine

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/FAL_zps33e9aab1.jpg
Century C91:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/101_1563_zps665e65a0.jpg

Pre-1950:

I no longer have the VZ52. Not parting with the other 3:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/100_0911.jpg

Sold the jungle carbine to another THR member, gave the G98 to a friend as a birthday gift. Still have the rest:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/100_0910.jpg

[Warp]

Modern:

Armalite AR-10A2C

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/AR-10_zps9fed040c.jpg


What kind of a chin-weld can you get with that?

[MachIVshooter]

What kind of a chin-weld can you get with that?

Pretty much rest my lower jaw on it (STR is much more comfortable than standard M4 stock)

I actually like the heap's-up position of carry handle mounts. Use the same set-up on my M15:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/M15A2C_zps4463045a.jpg

[meanmrmustard]

Garand with Leupold 2.5x IER scope in Ultimak M12 mount

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/austin3161324/Firearms/20130202_205554_zpsf8c9b165.jpg
Ha!

Your cat isn't very photogenic.

[Adam123]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8529182512_9a29cb8258_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8229/8529184638_28f0122f90_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8512/8528070797_cba9380721_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8230/8529181866_73f34a8ab6_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8103/8528067399_2cb237cf12_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8529181172_6ff24c25d8_b.jpg

[WardenWolf]

PSL:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/th_RifleScope.jpg (http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/RifleScope.jpg)

SVT-40:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/th_IMAG0029.jpg (http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/IMAG0029.jpg)

I've got a number of bolt action rifles as well, but to me "battle rifle" means a semi-automatic rifle firing a full-sized cartridge.

[happygeek]

7.62x51mm in an old school looking National Match M1A shown with a 30-06 M1.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x297/fdhs_runner/Firearms/imgp0399.jpg

7.62x54R Mosin made in 1931.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x297/fdhs_runner/Firearms/IMGP0013-1.jpg

8x56R Steyr-Mannlicher M1895. I've given up on getting any ammo for that thing anytime soon.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x297/fdhs_runner/Firearms/1930sSteyrM95.jpg

I wouldn't call the 7.62x39mm a 'battle rifle' round as it's an intermediate caliber, but since others are posting their Kalashnikovs

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x297/fdhs_runner/Firearms/P2220437.jpg

I've got a Kar98k on the way from Wideners, but they're really slow on shipping. Not that it matters, everywhere I look is out of 7.92x57mm so that rifle will probably join the Steyr as a safe queen for the foreseeable future.

[dmazur]

Garand with Ultimak mount, Eotech and brake -

OK, image seems to have disappeared. I'll try again.

[mf-dif]

The Century CETME...gets a lot of bad rap but mine was a tack driver that ate all. Most problems can be corrected with $10 in parts and $3 surplus mags.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/MF-DIF/20121208_135757.jpg

[MachIVshooter]

^^^^

I see the YHM flash hider; did yours actually have a threaded barrel? Mine is swedged onto splines :mad:

[centurion20000]

How about a new 21st century Battle Rifle? AR Rifle chambered in 30-06.

I put this over on the AR thread but since this is a full power round, I thought I would add it here.

Full disclosure, I do not have any stake or interest in this company. I just LOVE this product offering.

http://www.onlylongrange.com/_graphics/bn36/bkg_middle.jpg

The 30-06 AR. The company is Noreen firearms. http://www.onlylongrange.com

While shopping for my 50 BMG last fall I ran across them and Nemo Arms. http://www.nemoarms.com

I actually wound up going with an SHF50 by Safety Harbor Firearms, but that's another topic in an of itself.

Both companies are producing either a 300 Win Mag or 338 Lapua semi automatic AR platform. At $5999 (Noreen) and $5300 (Nemo) I about had a heart attack. Then I asked Noreen if they were ever planning a 30-06 chambered AR system (because the ammo is cheaper). They said they had a prototype and were working on it.

At the time, of course I said TAKE MY MONEY. And ordered it in very early November (pre-election) for $1XXX. 2013 prices have gone up (thanks Obama) but they are still very VERY reasonable at $1799.

Initial production was slated for January of this year but production delays and reworking the magazine have pushed it to early April 2013. Apparently I am damn near the top of the list on private citizen orders (serial number SHOULD be below 100 for those who like that kind of stuff)

I've spoken for about a total of 90 minutes on the phone with their engineers and reps getting some information so I'll put everything I know here. (A review will be coming after the rifle arrives.)

So here are the specs right off their web page. Here's the link but I'll type them out here.

BN 36 Rifle (http://www.onlylongrange.com/bn36.asp)

Caliber: 30-06, 270, 25-06
Operation: Direct Gas Impingement, Side Charging Semiauto
Barrel : 22"
Muzzle Brake attached, uses 5/8 X 24 threads
Weight: 8 pounds
Rifling: RH 1 in 10
Stock: A2
Magazine: 5/10/20 rounds
Trigger: Milspec or optional

Notes from my discussions with them.

If you go on their website you will also see the Bad News 338 Lap / 300 WinMag rifle as well. That rifle is 13.5 pounds while the BN36 is only 8 pounds. I was told that the receivers for the BN36 are slightly lighter and thinner because the brute force strength is not required for 30-06 versus the other cartridges.
Comes with a Hard Case.
270 Winchester & 25-06 Remington will be forthcoming after intial orders are filled and shipped [pending]
That muzzle brake WILL be coming off when I work up accelerator rounds for this beast.
The entire system is based off the AR-15 platform. The custom parts on this are the upper receiver, bolt carrier, lower receiver, mag and obviously the barrel [who else makes a 30-06 chambered AR barrel ... I need to know]
The bolt is a standard AR-10 bolt system but Noreen is using a proprietary heat treat system on them to make them stronger in order to accomodate the 270 Winchester and 25-06's higher chamber pressures (65K psi / 63k psi per SAAMI specs).
What this means is that 65K psi 30-06 cartridges are possible in a semi-auto chamber and I intend to slowly and SAFELY work up loads [while checking for pressure signs obviously] for long range and specialized 30-06 loads specific to this rifle.
Triggers and internal parts are completely AR-15 compatible
Noreen does offer a Timney trigger option for $260 or so [not an exact price quote so just ask em]
For Class 3 guys I was informed that an RDIAS will fit and operate in this platform. Obviously, let's play by the rules and be legal (of course) ... (They have a video of a full auto Bad News 338) ....
Full Auto Bad News 338 Lapua (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfFg5FRDubU)
The stock uses a rifle length buffer tube for the AR-15
Magazines: This is the part that is not so fun. The rifle comes with 2 magazines and they are using a proprietary design. Extra mags are at $80 a pop (at last quote) but if you order more than 10 they will drop the price at bit ($60 seems reasonable). On the bright side they use a pinning option to modify the 20 round to handle only 5 or 10 depending on what's legal for hunting around you.
The second bright spot on the magazines is that the magazine well will be larger than 85mm (OAL for 30-06). This should allow very heavy bullet loads to be worked up.
I'm sure that everyone is watching ammo prices like a hawk but here's an interesting twist. 30-06 is now regularly cheaper than 5.56/.223 ammo that I have been finding in stock in places.
(http://www.gunbot.net)
At last check if you order direct from Noreen you can expect roughly an August to September delivery date. They did however state that they have a few thousand in the pipeline going out to various dealer orders. So if you just HAVE to have it now, you can probably get it in May with a bit of a premium.


Now for myself I have some seriously interesting plans for this puppy.

I do intend to get a second upper receiver so that I can alternate calibers. Noreen has already stated that they will only sell complete rifles at this point until they catch up with initial demand.
I also intend on working up that 1500 yard 30-06 load (more on that in a second post)
Accelerator rounds: Been doing a LOT of homework and talking to some serious gun nuts that do have 1 MOA working versions of their pet sabot loads. Every shooter that has a decent load says the key is tuning barrel harmonics for it.

Alternate calibers: Noreen admits to having working models for 270 Win and 25-06.
For my second upper receiver I can picture that a custom barrel will allow for some much more interesting chamberings

6mm-06 / 6.5mm-06
338-06 A-square
35 Whelen
375 Whelen
Any of the Ackley Improved models of chambering
8 X 57 mm Mauser
7 x 57 mm Mauser
God only knows what else that has an OAL around 3 - 3.34 inches
I'm going to do a lot of measuring but with their report of extra space in the magazine their MIGHT be enough room for some longer beltless magnum cartridges with the right gunsmith. OAL for 338 RUM and 300 RUM are 91mm. Dakotas and others might be a possibility as well. [and a mag mod will have to be done of course]
For those magnum cartridges you will obviously have to modify the bolt face from .473 in (12.0 mm) to .534 in (13.6 mm) [and probably more stuff too, not a gunsmith so don't crucify me] . I freely admit this might not be the best idea considering prior comments from Noreen but a man can certainly tinker a bit ....

Wolf extra power springs (like what guys are using for 50 Beowulf and 450 Bushmaster) should help with additional recoil. Experiments to follow obviously. :D
My Geissele SD3G trigger is sitting on the shelf waiting for this rifle to arrive. Considering how fast guys can dump mags with those things this is some serious firepower. Can you say 3 gun with a 30-06? Should be interesting to say the least ...

In conclusion I think Noreen's got one seriously winning product here. If it's as strong and reliable as I think it is (and they are marketing it as), Noreen Firearms might have just created the 21st century true battle rifle. Or maybe just a 21st century version of the Browning Automatic Rifle.

Either way, we (the customers) WIN. :D
I also know I'm already abandoning the 5.56 permanently.

Hope this helps,
Brandon

[dmazur]

One more try -

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181792&stc=1&d=1364074583

[krinko]

1940 Tikka M91 from AV3---

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109208/7081205/406080437.jpg

1934 Tikka M27---

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL165/1109208/7081205/404249649.jpg

Just a couple of Finnish Mosins.
-----krinko

[MachIVshooter]

Centurion-

That is awesome! You had better do a full report here when you get it.

I don't personally see much use for one in .30-06, since .308 is so close. But an AR chambered in 6mm-06AI would be VERY tantalizing......:D

[dmazur]

I don't personally see much use for one in .30-06...

Is someone questioning the utility of the .30-06?

Not possible. Must be a server error... :)

[barnbwt]

http://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/catalog/FN493327Rifle(5).JPG
Not my pic, but a better shot of a 30-06 Luxembourg FN49 than I can take :o. Comfiest and prettiest stock of any milsurp I own, good peep sights, 2 more rounds than a Garand, and the brilliant inner workings of what became the FAL a few years later. Definitely my largest rifle--until I get this next one put back together...:evil
http://www.prebanarmory.com/wp-content/uploads/marketimages/withstuff2.jpg
Also not my pic, but I do happen to have 3 mags, the sling, cleaning kit, and a bayonet for the STGW57 ;)
http://www.prebanarmory.com/wp-content/uploads/marketimages/left22.jpg
Close up (minus the import stamp) of the ridicuous workmanship in these things
http://www.securityarms.com/photos/1275500736.jpg
Biiiiig long rifle at over 4 ft with bayonet on :D
http://www.weaponeer.net/_image_resize.asp?Height=527&Width=1132&Path=http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/uploads/Weaponeer/images/2008-01-11_030820_2008-01-10_214431_DSC00065.jpg
The huge bolt with delaying rollers 1/3rd larger than the H&K G3

TCB

[fireside44]

Garand with Leupold 2.5x IER scope in Ultimak M12 mount

I can't put my finger on it but there is something awesome about that garand. Pure business, clean, traditional, yet modern. I need to look away.

[MachIVshooter]

Is someone questioning the utility of the .30-06?

Not possible. Must be a server error...

No, but I'm questioning the utility in a totally custom rifle that uses expensive proprietary mags to gain 50-100 FPS. I'd rather have the lower price tag and accessory options of a more conventional .308 AR.

In a bolt rifle, the only difference is about 1/2" in length and 4 ounces; Same rifle cost, no mag cost issue, same accessories available for short and long action guns. Then the added velocity and flexibility of the .30-06 is worthwhile. In this case, though, I just don't see that it is. I think the market for this one will be as a hunting AR, and chambered for the .270, .25-06 and other cartridges that better justify the added expense of a semi-custom gun and mags.

[madcratebuilder]

I've always thought of "battle rifles" as semi or select fire, otherwise I could post pics of my 1873.

M1 Garand is grand.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/M1%20Garand/garand02.jpg

M1 Carbine
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/M1%20Garand/pix237906272.jpg

M1A's
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/2M1As.jpg

AR-10
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/case02.jpg

[303tom]

French 49/56.............

[happygeek]

I've always thought of "battle rifles" as semi or select fire, otherwise I could post pics of my 1873.


IMHO, 'battle rifle' was a term made up by purists to differentiate their M1s, M14s, etc from the "poodle shooter" M16. It is used to refer to full power rifles (as opposed to intermediate calibers like 7.92x33, 7.62x39, 5.56x45, etc) though, and that's how the OP is using it.

[barnbwt]

^Pretty much. The Battle Rifle typically refers to the more-powerful-than-usually-needed bolt action (then semi auto) rifles that were ultimately replaced by today's mid-power small bore cartridges. The FALs and G3's and whatnot that had selectable fire modes kinda fall into either "battle rifle" or "light machine gun" depending on their selection, in my opinion. The post WWII theory of infantry long-arms was to make every footsoldier a light machine-gunner (since LMGs were found to be very effective in WWII, and the brass can't help but to strategize around the last war). We've since learned that suppressive fire is so useful, that higher capacity ends up trumping power/range in most sorties, making the smaller/lighter cartridges more advantageous (for now ;)).

As history repeats, we're now seeing renewed calls for using heavier calibers (6mm and the like) going forward on the premise that 223 can't reach out across valleys in A-stan ('cuz we'll totally be fighting our next war in Afghanistan :banghead::rolleyes::D)

TCB

[centurion20000]

No, but I'm questioning the utility in a totally custom rifle that uses expensive proprietary mags to gain 50-100 FPS. I'd rather have the lower price tag and accessory options of a more conventional .308 AR.
...
Then the added velocity and flexibility of the .30-06 is worthwhile. In this case, though, I just don't see that it is. I think the market for this one will be as a hunting AR, and chambered for the .270, .25-06 and other cartridges that better justify the added expense of a semi-custom gun and mags.

Allow me to make a small, short respectful rebuttal on your post. :)
First point: Uses all standard accessories for an AR-15. Moot point. Second point , a 30-06 loaded to 65K psi loadings will blow a 308 in the dust.
Second point: Logistics Have you priced 308 ammo lately? 1.00 - 1.50 a round is common. 30-06 can still be acquired very very easily for 60 cents for surplus. I can walk into almost any wal-mart in America and still pick up a box at will. Cant do that with a 308 / 7.62x51.
Finally, using that long action AR which is actually priced about the same as an AR-10 (google it) allows me to load and customize into some very exotic and interesting cartridges.

[Tinpig]

Springfield 03 and Remington 03A3:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/IMG_0125-1.jpg

Things of beauty. And loaded to about 75% they're just as accurate at 100-200 yds. and comfortable to shoot all day.

Tinpig