SOCOM PSR contract awarded to Remington Defense MSR


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exospex
March 8, 2013, 10:40 AM
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/03/07/socom-psr-awarded-to-remington-msr/

She sure is a sexy beast.

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herkyguy
March 8, 2013, 10:45 AM
I believe there is a new .300 WinMag bullet that is giving the .338 a run for its money. can't remember the weight, but makes sense if they're putting barrels out in .308, 300, and 338.

always good to see our guys getting good equipment.

tyeo098
March 8, 2013, 11:01 AM
.7 MOA average accuracy at 1,000
:what::what::what:

Is that a .7" hole at a kilometre!?

Or .7" MOA at 100m stretched to a 7" hole at a km?

ATLDave
March 8, 2013, 11:07 AM
Is that a .7" hole at a kilometre!?

Or .7" MOA at 100m stretched to a 7" hole at a km?

Closer to the latter than the former. MOA is not a measure of absolute size, it's geometric and relative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_angle

Owen
March 8, 2013, 11:28 AM
I believe there is a new .300 WinMag bullet that is giving the .338 a run for its money. can't remember the weight, but makes sense if they're putting barrels out in .308, 300, and 338

The Navy and SOCOM have been using the the .300WM for at least 20 years, in various versions of the MK13 and its predecessors. It will be a little while before the .338s can be fielded, as the type classification process has not begun, and for ammunition, it takes at least a year.

MachIVshooter
March 8, 2013, 11:32 AM
Is that a .7" hole at a kilometre!?

Or .7" MOA at 100m stretched to a 7" hole at a km?

To elaborate on what Dave said, MOA is an angular measurement. One minute of one angle. There are 360 degrees in a circle, 60 minutes in a degree (and 60 seconds to a minute).

It just so happens that MOA is very close to 1" for every 100 yards (1.047).

MOA @ 100 yards = 1.05" group.
MOA @ 1,000 yards = 10.5" group.

A .7" group @ 1,000 meters (1,093 yards) would be .061 MOA. Pretty much impossible.

InkEd
March 8, 2013, 11:37 AM
I wonder what the cost per unit is on a complete set-up with all three barrels? Also, if it easily converted to a lefthand configuration?

Most semi-auto weapons can be used without a problem BUT bolt actions are a bit more of a pain to smoothly operate.

oneounceload
March 8, 2013, 11:55 AM
80 million for 5000 units - that's $16,000 per set up - seems like a nice waste of my tax dollars

Sam1911
March 8, 2013, 12:02 PM
Most semi-auto weapons can be used without a problem BUT bolt actions are a bit more of a pain to smoothly operate.A lot of lefty shooters LIKE right-hand actions as it puts the loading & ejection port in easy reach of their off-side hand, and also lets them work the bolt without taking their firing hand off the grip.

Some right-hand precision rifles are now being sold with left-side bolts for these reasons.

All said, it doesn't seem that ambidextrously swappable controls would be a big selling point for these rifles.

ngnrd
March 8, 2013, 12:10 PM
80 million for 5000 units - that's $16,000 per set up - seems like a nice waste of my tax dollars
Fuzzy math at its best...

The award is for more than 5000 units, and millions of rounds of Barnes ammunition.

The article doesn't say how many more than 5000, or how many millions of rounds it includes.

r1derbike
March 8, 2013, 03:56 PM
I'm also a lefty and prefer bolt on right.

Zak Smith
March 8, 2013, 10:44 PM
For something that was a foregone conclusion, it sure took a long time for them to get the "award."

rugerdude
March 8, 2013, 11:04 PM
Oneounceload, the cost of an M110 SASS is just under $30,000. That's the figure on our item acquisition sheets.

The M110 is a modified Mk.11 (which we could get for about $7,000). They changed the stock (which still sucks) added a tan finish, an ambidextrous safety and mag release, and a different (not strictly better) scope. The deployment kit that it comes with has a few more do-dads, but nobody uses them, and the case is a much worse design. Oh yeah, and don't worry, they use their own suppressors which aren't interchangeable between it and the Mk.11 despite the fact that they're nearly identical guns.

I pretty much despise Knights Armament and have a feeling that they've got some kind of ties to whomever awards rifle contracts.

TCBPATRIOT
March 8, 2013, 11:34 PM
I have never owned a left handed weapon. I've only been shooting about 15 years(I'll be 26 in September) I have shot a left handed bolt gun and I hated it.

CSC_Saint
March 8, 2013, 11:52 PM
I believe there is a new .300 WinMag bullet that is giving the .338 a run for its money. can't remember the weight, but makes sense if they're putting barrels out in .308, 300, and 338.

always good to see our guys getting good equipment.
Honady has the 208 gr AMAX with a BC of .633, and Berger has 230 gr bullet with BC of .714

PGT
March 8, 2013, 11:56 PM
Fuzzy math at its best...

The award is for more than 5000 units, and millions of rounds of Barnes ammunition.

The article doesn't say how many more than 5000, or how many millions of rounds it includes.
actually, the article says:

The award is for 5,150 rifle systems, including AAC Titan QD suppressors and 4,696,800 rounds of Barnes ammunition, over 10 years.

That works out to an average of $15,533.98 per setup inclusive of the rifle, barrels, suppressor and ammunition. Keep in mind that most federal contracts are long-term and offerors include a Consumer Price Index (CPI) uplift of between 0-3%. We can all agree that the relative value $15k today will be MORE than $15k in 2023. The amount of ammunition works out to a little over 900rds per rifle, over 10yrs. 90rds/yr.

Bottom line; there will be contract modifications over the course of the contract as it seems like $15k is a pretty low amount per unit, inclusive of the cost of money over time, ammunition, etc.

Sun Tzu warrior
March 9, 2013, 01:14 AM
Ink, I'm a lefty, I have a Rem. 700LH, but I do not have a problem working a right hand bolt weapon, but you must make sure you don't leave your thumb draped over the pistol grip when working the action! Don't ask me how I know.

Bartholomew Roberts
March 9, 2013, 01:31 AM
Seems like a good price to me... Just an AI rifle in .300 Win Mag is going to be close to $10k before you get into glass, ammo, suppressor or options. Precision rifles that can meet military requirements aren't cheap.

1858
March 9, 2013, 02:16 AM
Just an AI rifle in .300 Win Mag is going to be close to $10k before you get into glass, ammo, suppressor or options.

They're around $6,500 ... not $10,000.

Zak Smith
March 9, 2013, 02:22 AM
Ah... in 2009 dollars, yes.

1858
March 9, 2013, 02:29 AM
The AWM in .300 Win Mag is $5,900 at Impact Guns.

http://www.impactguns.com/accuracy-international-awm-arctic-warfare-magnum-300-win-awm300.aspx

The latest AX series are more expensive of course.

MachIVshooter
March 9, 2013, 03:31 AM
I pretty much despise Knights Armament and have a feeling that they've got some kind of ties to whomever awards rifle contracts.

What gave you that idea? The fact that the KAC rifles didn't perform any better than the less expensive offerings from Armalite, DSA and others, perhaps?

1858
March 9, 2013, 03:01 PM
I pretty much despise Knights Armament and have a feeling that they've got some kind of ties to whomever awards rifle contracts.

It can work the other way too with military personnel planning for their next career once they leave the military.

rugerdude
March 9, 2013, 05:13 PM
I could go on forever about how the M110 is a complete joke, but I'll limit myself to making this point.

http://i.imgur.com/Ob6WEAg.jpg

30,000 dollar rifle, improvised comb riser made of foam and tape. Probably more than half of all the other M110's had this modification too.

"Herp. Derp. Money." -Knight's Armament

HOOfan_1
March 9, 2013, 05:20 PM
I could go on forever about how the M110 is a complete joke, but I'll limit myself to making this point.

30,000 dollar rifle, improvised comb riser made of foam and tape. Probably more than half of all the other M110's had this modification too.

"Herp. Derp. Money." -Knight's Armament

Yeah I has always wondered why the KAC rails were more than twice as much as the Daniel Defense rails.....how could they possibly be worth that much more?

1858
March 9, 2013, 05:35 PM
30,000 dollar rifle, improvised comb riser made of foam and tape. Probably more than half of all the other M110's had this modification too.


Hopefully the Premier Reticle scopes were bought at cost!! :eek:

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