Ruger Single Ten disappointment


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ACP
March 9, 2013, 09:15 AM
After reading many reviews (both pro and con) I decided to purchase a new Ruger Single Ten.

I've had several Rugers in the past and they have all been superbly made. A GP 100, a flat-latch, three-screw Single Six, a bull barrel MkIII and a Super Blackhawk in 44 Magnum. Never a hint of a problem with any of them.

Not the Single Ten.

I'm just back from the range. I put about 60 rounds through the gun, and must have stopped to fix a problem 10 times. The problem seems to be the timing of the gun -- it locks up easily, refusing to turn the cylinder or cock the hammer. This results in having to remove the base pin and re-insert the cylinder all over again just to unload the gun! It's a tricky proposition at best, and enormously frustrating.

Also, not that I was expecting MkIII levels of accuracy, but rested at 50 feet with CCI Standard velocity 40gr, ammo, the groups are about 4-5".

Should I even bother to return the gun to Ruger for a fix? Or just dump it on to the next sucker?? I could put it towards a beautiful Ruger Blackhawk in 44 Special with a 5.5" barrel...

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mesinge2
March 9, 2013, 09:23 AM
I'd give Ruger a chance to make it right. I had to send an SP101 back for repair once and I called them. They sent me a free UPS shipping label and covered shipping both ways. I had the repaired the gun back in about a week and a half after they received it. Finally, I had purchased this SP101 used and I told them that on the phone before they sent me the shipping label. I never paid a dime in the process. Ruger's CS is number 1 IMO.

Pudge
March 9, 2013, 09:43 AM
Does it matter if the barrel is pointing up? I had an issue with my Single-Six locking up that I could induce by pointing up as I cocked it. When I held the gun level or pointed down it would function properly. If I remember correctly the base pin latch had loosened up, tightening it solved the issue.

My accuracy problems are usually not caused by the firearm. That said, experience with my Single-Six has led me to understand that if the revolver is functioning properly you should expect better than 4"-5" groups at 15 yards.

WoodchuckAssassin
March 9, 2013, 09:54 AM
Sorry to hear about your bum-Ruger. I almost bought one a couple weeks ago, but decided to save my pennies. I would definately contact Ruger. Until then, just enjoy shooting your other Rugers :D

ACP
March 9, 2013, 10:09 AM
I hate to send a brand-new, just out of the box gun in for a repair, but I guess that's what I'll do. Last time I did that was with a S&W 1911; the barrel link pin would fall out when you tipped the barrel sideways. :uhoh:

Pudge, I was lightly resting the barrel on a Caldwell Rock Jr. rest with a leather bag insert, and cocking the hammer with the barrel horizontal, so I don't think barrel angle had anything to do with it.

I like the thought of a single action 22LR for two reasons: my kids can shoot it without wincing, and ammo is cheap. But if it doesn't function properly it doesn't stay in my house...

Pudge
March 9, 2013, 12:49 PM
Now that I think about it, I was wrong. Pointing the gun up while cocking it corrected the problem. The base pin keeps the transfer bar in place, when my latch loosened up, it allowed the pin to release pressure on the transfer bar, keeping me from cocking the gun. When I pointed the revolver up, the pin stayed back where it was supposed to and allowed me to cock the hammer. I was able to tighten the latch by hand while still in the gun. It's a 30 second fix if that's what is wrong. Either way, I hope the issue is fixed, and you enjoy your Single-Ten as much as I enjoy my Single-Six. It is a fantastic tool to teach kids to shoot a handgun safely. Good luck.

Fremmer
March 10, 2013, 01:50 PM
Yeah I would send it back and let them fix it, you gotta hope it'll come back a shooter.

weblance
March 10, 2013, 02:16 PM
My Single Ten has been perfect. I know that doesnt help anything, but Ruger will make it right. I had to send in my new Single Six because it was binding on the LR cylinder, and wouldnt hit the broad side of a barn. I got it back 5 weeks later, binding fixed and 2-3'" groups, rested at 25 yards. Sending in a new gun sucks, but after you get it back, it will be perfect. Thats one great thing about Ruger... the customer service is excellent

ljnowell
March 10, 2013, 04:04 PM
Should I even bother to return the gun to Ruger for a fix? Or just dump it on to the next sucker?? I could put it towards a beautiful Ruger Blackhawk in 44 Special with a 5.5" barrel...

That ranks right up there asd one of the lowest things a person could do. I sincerely hope you realize how wrong that is and dont do it.

Lost Sheep
March 10, 2013, 05:44 PM
That ranks right up there asd one of the lowest things a person could do. I sincerely hope you realize how wrong that is and dont do it.
Not if he sells it to someone who knows the problem.

I have a couple stories:

Second-hand story: Standing at the counter, I observed a customer come in with a Smith & Wesson Model 52, bought a day before, complaining that it would not work with the ammo the store sold him with the gun. The owner?/manager? could not figure it out, so returned the person's money. Then the manager mumbled about the hassle of returning the (defective) gun to S&W. So much so that I offered to take the gun off his hands for $150.

Model 52s were never intended to shoot anything but full wadcutters. The "bad" ammo was for revolvers.

My first-hand stories:

I was in a gun shop in Apache Junction, Arizona. Owner was complaining about having to send some Ruger 10-22 magazines back to Ruger. The end plates were horribly loose. He said they were unfixable. I declared that they were, that I had taken apart my mags and reassembled them successfully. He did not believe me, so I bought all four at a fraction of retail (I think I paid the list price of one, but got all four). I borrowed a screwdriver from him and fixed them on his display counter. While he watched.

I don't feel the least bit guilty.

This is the same guy who berated me when I told him I had disassembled my brand-new Dan Wesson Model 15 357 Magnum, my first ever firearm. I told him if I could not do at least that, I did not deserve to own it. We agreed to disagree.

Six months later, I was in his shop and he presented me with a Dan Wesson that belonged to another customer who had taken his gun apart. But now, the cylinder and crane assembly would fall out of the gun when you opened the cylinder.

I knew what had happened, so took off the side plate of my gun and showed him the part that was missing. I borrowed his micrometer and showed him that coathangar wire was the same size, so with a file and pliers made another part. I also warned him that the part was certain to be inadequate for long-term use and he (or the customer) MUST GET THE PROPER PART from Dan Wesson Arms. and I would not recommend shooting even one cylinderful.

My points are three:

1) Full disclosure relieves all guilt and if you take advantage of someone who SHOULD know because they are in the business, you can sleep almost as easily.

2) I like telling these stories. I have so few victories in my history.

3) I would LOVE to have a Single-Ten, but cannot afford the full freight of a new one. I would love to find one like the O.P.'s and would be willing to take the effort (and the chance) to fix it if a reduced and agreeable price could be found. Provided all parties know all facts.

Lost Sheep

TennJed
March 10, 2013, 06:51 PM
Well since he said "dump it to the next sucker" I am going to assume he is not letting them know the issues. That is a awful thing to do (I have no problem with selling if issues are know).

Please don't dump it on the next sucker. Have you done that before? Maybe that is why the gun gods decided to give you a lemon, payback. Anyway why not send it to Ruger? It is free. At least let them fix it before you "dump it"

ACP
March 10, 2013, 08:47 PM
ljnowell, you are correct, I was being a bit tongue in cheek there. There is a shop I deal with that trusts me on my trades and I always tell them if there the history of any gun I trade. The sales guys could tell someone the previous owner was having problems with the gun cycling, and the buyer could bid accordingly. But, I'm gong to call Ruger tomorrow and get a return auth. number and shipping label. Oh well, I have to spend more time with the bow anyway since turkey archery season starts in about a month...

ljnowell
March 10, 2013, 08:54 PM
ljnowell, you are correct, I was being a bit tongue in cheek there. There is a shop I deal with that trusts me on my trades and I always tell them if there the history of any gun I trade. The sales guys could tell someone the previous owner was having problems with the gun cycling, and the buyer could bid accordingly. But, I'm gong to call Ruger tomorrow and get a return auth. number and shipping label. Oh well, I have to spend more time with the bow anyway since turkey archery season starts in about a month...

Thank Goodness! I like to think the best of people, and in the gun community more often than not we are good people. Carry on sir!

Not if he sells it to someone who knows the problem.


Dumping it on a sucker sure doesnt sound like anyone would be made knowledgeable of the issue. The OP explained above it was sarcasm.

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