Can't find load data for a .223


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possom813
March 10, 2013, 05:07 PM
.223 using lc brass and also have some commercial .223 brass that I'll be loading.

.223
Nosler Ballistic tip 60gr bullet
IMR or H 4895 powder(I have either)
Tula 223 srp


My books don't list the B-Tip, just partitions, and nothing for either 4895 with a 60gr partition.

I've found V max data for a 60gr bullet with 4895, but would rather have a definite starting point.


From the limited info I have at hand and the info found on the web, it appears that 21grs of h4895 is a good starting point for the lc brass, and 21.5grs for the commercial.


Anyone else have an opinion on the starting load?

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45lcshooter
March 10, 2013, 05:11 PM
60 gr V Max and nosler are same bullet. Use that data. If the bullets are similar, and same grain. Use that data.

ArchAngelCD
March 10, 2013, 06:28 PM
When multiple sources don't list a powder/bullet combination in a cartridge there is usually a very good reason. You might want to use a different powder if at all possible in these lean times.

possom813
March 10, 2013, 06:36 PM
Nosler's website doesn't even have the 60gr ballistic tip listed, unless I'm overlooking it :confused:

10 Spot Terminator
March 10, 2013, 06:38 PM
The 3 reference manuals I just checked all have listing for the v-max and I believe it is due to the boat tail design as well as the ballistic tip in combo on the Nosler not being a first choice in semi-auto rifles. 3 all show IMR4895 and 1 lists the H4895 as well. All 3 have the start load higher than what you show with 23.5grs. being minimum and 25.5 as maximum with one showing to may become a compressed load at 25.2 grs. as may be the case with your Lake City brass. When asking for load help on .223 calibre it helps to state what firearm you are using. Barrel twist rates vary from a 1/7 up to as high as 1/14 in commercial rifles. The 21 grs. you listed may not even cycle in an AR. Hope this helps and good shooting.

10 Spot

possom813
March 10, 2013, 06:51 PM
My apologies, I'm quite new to reloading the .223 and it's variations.

The rifle is a 20" 1:8 twist ar platform

blarby
March 10, 2013, 08:42 PM
the H4895 data for 60 gr bullets is fine.

possom813
March 10, 2013, 08:51 PM
I loaded up 3 sets of 5 to try out.

23
23.5
24

See how they work out, they're all under all the max loads that I found, so we'll give it a go. One of the 24gr cases(LC 60) wasn't like the rest. With the 24grs in it, the powder was slightly higher than the others, and when I seated the bullet, I couldn't hear the powder shake inside and could hear it on the others, so I set it off to the side to pull later.

ngnrd
March 10, 2013, 09:41 PM
Nosler #7 uses the same data for their 60gr Partition, 60gr Ballistic Tip, and 62gr Varmageddon bullets for the 223 Remington, with both 60gr bullets seated to full SAAMI length. They also list both H4895 and IMR4895 as appropriate powders.

rdhood
March 11, 2013, 10:19 AM
H 4895 powder

While 4895 can be used for .223, but there are about a dozen powders that are MUCH better, which is why you don't see loads for .223 and 4895.

ArchAngelCD
March 11, 2013, 03:16 PM
My apologies, I'm quite new to reloading the .223 and it's variations.

The rifle is a 20" 1:8 twist ar platform
It is not necessary to find load data for that exact bullet. You can safely use load data for a similar bullet of the same weight and profile which is common practice. This is why we have a starting load, so that small variations in bullets can be safely addressed.

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