Colt New Agent . . . . no sights.


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Orion8472
March 12, 2013, 04:32 PM
Is the Colt New Agent just supposed to be a "muscle memory", "point shoot" type gun?

Is there any that DO have sights?

If you have one without sights, how have you "learned" it's POI?

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rcmodel
March 12, 2013, 04:37 PM
They DO have a sight, of sorts.

You just can't see it in the side view photos.

It is a Gutter Snipe type groove milled down the top of the slide.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XCkTSf0swcQ/R50Gotf3DXI/AAAAAAAABQY/NTzDE47ypI8/s320/newagentsightsontarget.jpg

rc

Orion8472
March 12, 2013, 04:43 PM
I've held them in person and have seen the grove, . . . just didn't think that was anything other than "a design for the top of the slide". So, how would you "sight picture" with the grove? Other than "not having sights to snag", is there any other "advantages"?

g_one
March 12, 2013, 05:18 PM
I've never shot one but I've handled one on multiple occasions. You get your sight picture by lining up the rear of the trench with the front of the trench.

As a smaller, concealed carry firearm, it is designed for reasonable concealed carry incident distances aka very close range. It's as close to point and shoot as you can get while still having something there to put your eyes on.

BossHogg
March 12, 2013, 05:32 PM
Look for a Colt Defender same gun with rear sights.

Rubber_Duck
March 12, 2013, 06:53 PM
I highly recommend the Colt Defender if you want sights.

ch45x7
March 12, 2013, 07:46 PM
I have a New Agent. I shoot it the same way I shoot my regular 1911’s. I draw and present the same way for every pistol which automatically lines up the sights. With the New Agent it just lines up the gutter sight.
As was already said it’s for short distances found in carry situations. That being said I am pretty good with it out to about 20-25 paces (20-25 yards roughly). It’s not a target pistol, but I stay on paper with no problem at those distances.

Orion8472
March 12, 2013, 07:48 PM
Thanks ch for the input.

ch45x7
March 12, 2013, 07:55 PM
No problem Orion. If you have any other questions about it I'm always happy to answer what I can.

Coltdriver
March 12, 2013, 10:39 PM
If you google "Col Applegate point shooting" there is some great technique that I learned years ago.

The simple truth is that in a defensive situation you will be unable to take your eyes off of the threat, you will square your shoulders to the threat, you will slightly squat in preparation of running. So Applegate says bring the gun up between your line of sight and the target, use both hands to form a stable triangle and let it rip.

You can easily teach yourself this style of shooting and learn to reliably hit a target. Just takes practice but really not much. Mostly just figure out your stance.

So that little New Agent is not really a target pistol. Only in the movies do shooters actually have the cool calm collected style required to use the sights.

Orion8472
March 13, 2013, 09:38 AM
I may pick one up if I can find one for a good deal.

bannockburn
March 13, 2013, 11:14 AM
I have a TALO edition of the Colt New Agent that comes with XS sights on it. That was my primary reason for buying it as I wanted a compact M1911 auto with those specific sights on it. I really wasn't interested in one without sights.

royal barnes
March 13, 2013, 12:34 PM
As has already been stated, the New Agent has a gutter style sight. It is OK for out to 25 yards. If I concentrate I can keep everything inside the 8 ring on a B-27 target at that distance shooting off hand. The beauty of the New Agent is it's snag free, quick out of the leather, simplicity. At combat distances you won't be using the sights anyway. It is a perfect point-and-shoot carry gun. Mine has become my daily carry piece. The only change I made on mine is the addition of a drop in beavertail. The factory one would peel the skin off the web of my hand after 50 or so rounds.

dgod
March 18, 2013, 09:43 AM
I have a Agent, I also have the Crimson Trace on it. A great Combination, no front or rer sights to snag on anything, the CT puts you on target from any position, with 7 and 1 in the 45ACP, it is and has been my daily carry choice.

I have several to choose from for daily carry: (XDm 45 4.25, 5.25), CZ-75, Glock 29, Beretta 92FS, Henry Mares Leg (45LC), Smith J Frame .357.

golden
March 19, 2013, 04:41 PM
I have a BROWNING 1910 pistol which has the GUTTERSNIPE type of sight milled into the top of the slide. I could believe it would work at all, but it does and much better than I expected.

Well enough to qualify with a max range of 15 yards.

Jim

scramasax
March 19, 2013, 05:11 PM
At my age I cann't see sights that well anyway. I just line up the slide and let'er rip.:D The head tops the tombstone shape of the slide and is good for me to get the job done at around 15 feet. The slide as a sight trick was taught to me by an old fried who survived quite a few documented gunfights.

True guttersnipe sights have not been available for several decades and then were only on ASP pistols. I know someone that has a couple and I've been trying to get one for over 30yrs.

cheers,

ts

Orion8472
March 20, 2013, 09:30 AM
Thanks again guys. Again, if I can find one for a fair price, I may get it.

dgod
March 25, 2013, 09:11 AM
I have a Colt Agent, it is my Daily Carry Weapon. I like you, was unsure about the Channel sight, so I invested in a Crimson Trace Laser Sight. I like it so well, I have one on my Glock 23, and my XDm 5.25. They are all Dead On...

Good Luck,,,
Dan

MICHAEL T
March 25, 2013, 11:10 PM
ell I traded my New Agent and kept my Defender. I bought the Agent when 1st came out . But could never warm up to it. That gutter sight and me never hit it off.
I traded for a AR-15 couple weeks before the buying craze begain . My Defender has served me well for many years.

dgod
April 1, 2013, 09:15 AM
I love my New Agent, Sights are a little different, I added a Crimson Trace, took all of the concern away.

Try it...

You'll Like it

Dan

kimbershot
April 1, 2013, 09:24 AM
ya want a target gun--buy one. ya want a point n shoot--buy one. crimson trace--an expensive toy/waste of money--buy ammo and range time. ;)

skt239
April 1, 2013, 09:56 AM
Seems a bit large to be a gun with gutter sights.

9mmepiphany
April 1, 2013, 12:52 PM
I have a BROWNING 1910 pistol which has the GUTTERSNIPE type of sight milled into the top of the slide. I could believe it would work at all, but it does and much better than I expected.
You have one of these:
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/_thumbs/Images/handguns/usa/1/1287739147.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100725143458/guns/images/9/9b/Guttersnipe2.jpg
http://www.yankeegunnuts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/asp.jpg

...on one of these:
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/bigpics/browning_1910/IMG_1099.jpg

:confused:

royal barnes
April 1, 2013, 01:43 PM
The gutter sight, designed by Paris Theodore, is a much different design. The trench sight of the New Agent is just that....a trench. I use it if I am shooting at 15 yards or more. At combat distances I just point and shoot. We were all pretty much born with the ability to point our finger at any object and be dead on. Make the barrel/slide an extension of your finger. Works just fine.;)

9mmepiphany
April 1, 2013, 02:02 PM
The gutter sight, designed by Paris Theodore, is a much different design.
I realize the terms we are using may be adding some confusion to the discussion.

Paris Theodore designed the Guttersnipe sighting module in the late 60s (it was featured in American Handgunner magazine in 1970) as the sighting system for his ASP conversion of the S&W M-39. The sides of the channel taper and there are yellow tapering panels on the three interior sides. The system is designed to engage your subconscious to align these panels when aiming.

A gutter/trench sight are descriptive terms for the fixed sights originally seen on small pocket guns and as the rear component of fixed sighted revolvers

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