Officer hit in buttocks when own gun goes off during A-C-C game


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gunsmith
March 13, 2004, 04:36 AM
(oops) ( I guess it's ok for cops to carry concealed at sporting events cause they are much safer around guns then you or I,who would never be able to carry at NC sporting events like this)
http://www.kait8.com/Global/story.asp?S=1708932
Greensboro, North Carolina-AP -- Police say an off-duty police officer's concealed gun went off during the Atlantic Coast Conference quarterfinal game between Maryland and Wake Forest on Friday night.

The gun accidentally discharged about midway through the second half, slightly injuring the officer in the buttocks. Police say no other injuries were reported.

Laura Mullinax, a watch operations specialist with the Greensboro Police Department, calls the incident a "purely accidental discharge." Police say the officer was from another state, but would not say which one.

Authorities say the officer was in violation of North Carolina law, and an investigation is ongoing. Maryland won the game, 87-to-86.

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DigMe
March 13, 2004, 08:10 AM
I guess it's ok for cops to carry concealed at sporting events cause they are much safer around guns then you or I,who would never be able to carry at NC sporting events like this

I don't understand your statement in light of the fact that they clearly state that he was breaking the law and that there is an investigation. Maybe he thought it was ok but apparently no one else did.

brad cook

David Roberson
March 13, 2004, 08:48 AM
I think gunsmith's point is that the gun-banners say that only cops should have guns because they are highly trained in their use and are safe around them, whereas us average serfs are not. In this case at least, here's a cop who: a) either didn't know the law or else simply didn't care about it; and b) clearly didn't have adequate gun-handling skills to be carrying a concealed weapon. A handgun doesn't just "go off;" it was fired either through deliberate choice or negligence.

To shed some additional light on this incident for non-NC residents: In this state it's illegal to carry concealed at any event for which there is paid admission.

DigMe
March 13, 2004, 08:54 AM
Ah, ok my bad. It's early! I thought he was saying that the guy didn't get in trouble.

brad cook

GunWares
March 13, 2004, 09:21 AM
I wonder what brand of pistol it was? :cool:

MishMash
March 13, 2004, 09:26 AM
Whoa!
Good thing these guys are so highly trained. That way they get only "slightly injured" when they shoot themselves in the butt.

I feel much safer now.

RED-DOG 40
March 13, 2004, 09:28 AM
I was informed by a retiired police chief , also a CCW instructor, that most officers rarely practice/train with there weapons until it is qualifying time. And then (people ) say, we are not responsible enough to have the RKBA , when we constantly are practicing and updating ourselves with our weapons. I am confident in saying this from what I have read on THR and being around other CCW members. :D

Billmanweh
March 13, 2004, 12:34 PM
Good thing these guys are so highly trained. That way they get only "slightly injured" when they shoot themselves in the butt.

funny

Nightfall
March 13, 2004, 12:49 PM
The gun accidentally discharged
Another gun injures another innocent user. When will we learn these firearms can't be trusted! :rolleyes:

Preacherman
March 13, 2004, 01:02 PM
slightly injuring the officer in the buttocks
Your new PC police force at work - turning the other cheek? :D

jsalcedo
March 13, 2004, 06:44 PM
Man charged in coliseum shooting

3-13-04

By Russ Rizzo, Staff Writer


Updated 2:55 p.m.

GREENSBORO -- Darren I. Sanders, an off-duty officer who accidentally shot himself inside the coliseum Friday night, was charged today with a misdemeanor weapons offense.

Sanders, 37, was treated for minor injuries and released from Moses Cone Hospital, Greensboro police Capt. Gary Hastings said.

Sanders shot himself in the right buttocks with a .40-caliber Glock, a popular handgun for police departments throughout the country, Hastings said.

Police charged Sanders on Saturday with illegally carrying a pistol into an assembly where admission is charged.

Sanders, an off-duty homicide detective from the Baltimore Police Department, accidentally shot himself during an ACC basketball game Friday night between University of Maryland and Wake Forest University, police said.

According to Hastings, Sanders stood up to cheer at the game and adjusted the gun as he sat down, causing it to fire.

The gun was in a holster inside his pants and did not have a manual safety, Hastings said. However, it's equipped with a "safe-action" on the trigger designed to make firing by accident more difficult, Hastings said.

Matt Brown, director of the Greensboro Coliseum, said Sanders did not have permission to carry a gun inside. Greensboro police Chief David Wray said he contacted the Baltimore Police Department to complain about the incident.

After the shooting, Baltimore Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti told officers that Sanders was a security guard for him.

Hastings said police are still trying to determine if Sanders was at the game with Bisciotti.

The shooting prompted coliseum officials to begin using metal-detecting wands to inspect all people entering the coliseum Saturday.

Contact Russ Rizzo at 373-7021 or rrizzo@news-record.com

tc300mag1
March 13, 2004, 06:47 PM
imagine that it was a glock :)

7.62FullMetalJacket
March 13, 2004, 07:28 PM
After the shooting, Baltimore Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti told officers that Sanders was a security guard for him.

Well, police are better qualified for this activity; do not try this at home :rolleyes:

Now the owner is vouching for the moron as if it is OK as long as he was on a "security" detail. :scrutiny:

P95Carry
March 13, 2004, 07:41 PM
off-duty police officer's concealed gun went off Oh why, oh why ... does a gun always ''go off'' .... damn those reporters. It is ''DISCHARGED'' ..... by means intentional or unintentional ... sheesh ... :banghead: :banghead:

On a less ''ranty'' note ..... shot himself in the right buttocks Hahaha .... so this guy has four buttocks eh, two each side (or more??? :p ) .... so he would have a wider choice to shoot at. Hahaha! :D

(harrum .. sorry!).:eek:

Billmanweh
March 13, 2004, 07:44 PM
they really should move the safety to somewhere other than the trigger

:neener:

glocksman
March 13, 2004, 08:01 PM
The Glock is not an idiot proof design.


That's why we Glock owners prefer that idiots such as this don't purchase one. :neener:

Gunpacker
March 14, 2004, 12:13 AM
glocks are not idiot proof, they are idiotic.

TheFederalistWeasel
March 14, 2004, 12:46 PM
Man charged in coliseum shooting

3-13-04

By Russ Rizzo, Staff Writer

Updated 2:55 p.m.

GREENSBORO -- Darren I. Sanders, an off-duty officer who accidentally shot himself inside the coliseum Friday night, was charged today with a misdemeanor weapons offense.

Sanders, 37, was treated for minor injuries and released from Moses Cone Hospital, Greensboro police Capt. Gary Hastings said.

Sanders shot himself in the right buttocks with a .40-caliber Glock, a popular handgun for police departments throughout the country, Hastings said.

Police charged Sanders on Saturday with illegally carrying a pistol into an assembly where admission is charged.

Sanders, an off-duty homicide detective from the Baltimore Police Department, accidentally shot himself during an ACC basketball game Friday night between University of Maryland and Wake Forest University, police said.

According to Hastings, Sanders stood up to cheer at the game and adjusted the gun as he sat down, causing it to fire.

The gun was in a holster inside his pants and did not have a manual safety, Hastings said. However, it's equipped with a "safe-action" on the trigger designed to make firing by accident more difficult, Hastings said.

Matt Brown, director of the Greensboro Coliseum, said Sanders did not have permission to carry a gun inside. Greensboro police Chief David Wray said he contacted the Baltimore Police Department to complain about the incident.

After the shooting, Baltimore Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti told officers that Sanders was a security guard for him.

Hastings said police are still trying to determine if Sanders was at the game with Bisciotti.

The shooting prompted coliseum officials to begin using metal-detecting wands to inspect all people entering the coliseum Saturday.

Travis McGee
March 14, 2004, 12:58 PM
"The gun was in a holster inside his pants and did not have a manual safety, Hastings said. However, it's equipped with a "safe-action" on the trigger designed to make firing by accident more difficult, Hastings said."

Glock....

Some think it's sort of like carrying a cocked and locked 1911, with the safety off. The 1911 won't go off either, unless your finger or something else contacts the trigger.....

PATH
March 14, 2004, 01:28 PM
Never mind the misdemeanor, how is he going to live down shooting himself in the hind quarters. Thankfully he is okay but that was piss poor gun handling, no?

The officer should be subject to the same laws as everone else in this instance. It is also a fortunate happenstance that a round did not strike someone other than the officer. Remember, don't bring a firearm to aplace where it is not legal regardless of your status as A LEO! No special dispensation for this chap. He messed up and should take his lumps just as anyone else would! Obey the law!

Abominable No-Man
March 14, 2004, 01:49 PM
It's funny, in a sick kind of way. Then again, from some of my personal experiences, it's not so hard to believe. It's my personal belief that probably 95% (conservatively estimated, too) of cops aren't really into guns. A smaller percentage can't shoot very well. Maybe it's a sign of the times.

There are lots of cops who are into guns and who are very good marksmen, but IMO they are the exception rather than the rule. Several years ago, I had the occasion to be in the right place at the right time, when a little cross-training was going on with a local SWAT team and a MP
SRT unit. As it happened, one of the SWAT team guys was performing the PMI for the M4. Don't know if he was joking or not, but I overheard a quote that went something like "and this is called the forward assist, but we haven't been told what it's for yet.":eek:

ANM

glocksman
March 14, 2004, 02:27 PM
glocks are not idiot proof, they are idiotic.

Really?
Care to expand on this 'observation'? :rolleyes:

Standing Wolf
March 14, 2004, 05:34 PM
...was charged today with a misdemeanor weapons offense...

Anybody else would have been hit with a felony.

larry_minn
March 14, 2004, 06:17 PM
I carry a Glock regularly. I have used Uncle Mikes swede holster (very soft) and NEVER had a problem. Next thing to Mex carry. If THAT won't cause a ND without my putting finger on trigger nothing will. HE messed up.

WR Olsen
March 14, 2004, 06:44 PM
"Never mind the misdemeanor, how is he going to live down shooting himself in the hind quarters. "

I will not mention the department (which is far fromwhere I presently live)but several years ago an officer named Sharp managed to discharge a round while he was holstering his pistol.

For the rest of his career he was known to friends and others as "Sharp Shooter"

PATH
March 14, 2004, 07:55 PM
:D ROFLMAO!

WonderNine
March 14, 2004, 08:21 PM
Another ND with a Glock. Is it because it's an unsafe design or because alot of cops carry them and alot of cops are morons when it comes to safe gun handling....the debate rages on..........

PATH
March 14, 2004, 08:29 PM
WonderNine,

An ND does not make you a moron because it has happened to some very intelligent people here at this board. A moment of brain vapor lock and voila you have entered ND land!

While there are some guys who I would not trust with a pea-shooter I think they are in the minority. I don't care how safe you are you are still capable of making an error.

Safety first, foremost, and always is the first concern but sometimes you make a mental error and spit happens. Inexcusable to be sure but we are all human and capable of making errors!

Oh by the way....Glocks are all good and deserving of our undying worship and love.......:neener: :D

fastbolt
March 14, 2004, 09:51 PM
Well, we can "debate" this situation endlessly, and still won't know exactly what happened until ... IF ... the investigating agency, or the involved detective's agency, decides to clarify what happened in a statement.

I'd "suspect" ... and it's only that, mind you ... that the ND involved either a holster condition issue ("... and adjusted the gun as he sat down."), or else the detective's actions unintentionally caused the trigger to be depressed sufficiently for the weapon to fire, such as "something" entering the trigger guard far enough and depressing the trigger while he was adjusting the weapon ... and it might've even been his finger.

I've watched folks on the range unintentionally, and apparently completely unaware, position their index fingers partially inside their trigger guards while reholstering.

We might never know ... but it's certainly a potentially grim reminder of how we must always be aware of what's happening with our weapons, and make sure our preferred methods of carry don't present potential problems, either by design or by improper user actions.

This could "happen" to any of us, under the wrong conditions ...

Use caution ... always.

Range Ninja
March 14, 2004, 10:23 PM
The Glock is not an idiot proof design.


That's why we Glock owners prefer that idiots such as this don't purchase one.

True...so true. Idiots that can't keep their fingers off the trigger till they are ready to shoot, need not apply.:) BTW if you argue this point, guess what that makes you?

JimJD
March 14, 2004, 10:59 PM
While reading this, I keep hearing Forest Gump's voice in My head saying:
"Right in the butt-tocks".
:D

The Detective is pretty lucky it was'nt worse.

PATH
March 15, 2004, 01:28 AM
On the other hand this fella will not be able to sit for a month. The ribbing he will take professionally for shooting himself in the arse is gonna be intense. The officer should not get a pass if he was carrying illegally in the the arena. More importantly no innocent third party got shot.

Oh, by the way, Glocks are all good and deserve our love and devotion.:D
Only kidding folks, I really am just kidding! Ouch!:D

Preacherman
March 15, 2004, 03:33 AM
Duplicate threads merged.

JPM70535
March 15, 2004, 05:03 AM
How come no one is asking the question that is uppermost in my mind? How did the Glock, youted as being safe to carry without need for any manual safety, manage to dischatge while it was being carried in a holster? All the experts claim it is impossible for a Glock to discharge without the trigger being deliberately pulled. I seriously doubt that the Officer deliberately pulled the trigger as he would have needed ultra skinny fingers to get inside the holster to depress the trigger safety causing the discharge. I guess "Murphy and his law still rule"

Seems to me we ought to be questioning the practice of packing a Glock in anything other than a rigid holster completely enclosing the trigger. From the day I purchased my model 23, I made the decision not to carry it concealed in any kind of IWB soft holster for fear of exactly this kind of AD occurring. Manual safeties have their uses.

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