Which 1911 to get?


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el Godfather
March 13, 2013, 03:51 PM
Dear THR:
Which 1911 to get from ones listed. I want it for daily use with top notch accuracy and collection value as well. Irrespective of price, its not going to be a safe queen.

Please share experiences if any.

Thank you

PS
1. Price range $2500-$10,000
2. Not considering Sig Sauer, DW, Colt and Kimber
3. Not interested in item that has ridiculous wait time

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wbwanzer
March 13, 2013, 04:02 PM
Not seeing a list here.

ku4hx
March 13, 2013, 04:03 PM
List?

Fishbed77
March 13, 2013, 04:05 PM
Here is your list:

1) Colt.

Hope that helps!

Quick Shot xMLx
March 13, 2013, 04:10 PM
What's your price range?

el Godfather
March 13, 2013, 04:20 PM
Added more info in the OP

ku4hx
March 13, 2013, 04:20 PM
Here is your list:

1) Colt.

Hope that helps!
+1 Gets my vote every time.

el Godfather
March 13, 2013, 04:21 PM
Not considering Colt.

bozzman3
March 13, 2013, 04:39 PM
Would you really buy A $7000 1911?I love firearms and 1911s but............. to each his own.Ed Brown all the way!

el Godfather
March 13, 2013, 04:47 PM
Yes I would.
Please state the reason for your high ratings for Ed.

stumpers
March 13, 2013, 04:58 PM
I had a Wilson CQB, that for $2000 used was absolutely perfect in fit and function. I've had Springfields, Colts, Kimbers - Wilson was far and away 3-5 times the gun any of those were.

Jim PHL
March 13, 2013, 05:00 PM
I voted "other". I've been checking into the higher end guns lately myself and right now would buy something from Volkman Precision if I were going to spend what you are considering spending. They are for the most part priced right in the same range as the Les Baer's, Ed Brown's and Wilson's. I don't know that any one is "better" than the others. I would expect them all to be extremely accurate and reliable at the prices they sell for.

(By the way, I WAS checking into them. Then I woke up from the dream I was having where I spend that kind of money on a gun and went out and bought a new Colt; box-stock, 5" barrel, blued "1991".)

ku4hx
March 13, 2013, 05:20 PM
Not considering Colt.
Sorry ... I thought "Other (please state your recommendation)" meant you were considering others not listed by name/brand.

tarosean
March 13, 2013, 05:39 PM
Other.. If I'm gonna drop that on a single gun (upper spectrum) it will be from the likes of Chen, Rogers, Tussey, etc. not something I picked out from a catalog.

I'm very happy with my Wilson and Brown. However, anyone can buy the same exact ones.

Bovice
March 13, 2013, 06:33 PM
A 1911 does not have the ability to be carried BOTH DA/SA and C&L. The H&K USP can. Therefore it is not superior and I would sell all my 1911s (if I had them) regardless of their follow-up shot speed.

Make it in FDE with a threaded barrel and that's perfection. Maybe. The P226 is also good, no?

mikeasb
March 13, 2013, 07:14 PM
Hands down. Colt.

Creature
March 13, 2013, 07:27 PM
Colt.

rswartsell
March 13, 2013, 07:36 PM
So, you are looking for a 1911 nut with direct experience with just shy of $ 40,000.00 worth of handguns so direct comparisons can be made. I thought I was a republican but I'm starting to think redistribution of wealth.......and land reform! Viva Che!

WinThePennant
March 13, 2013, 07:36 PM
I'll probably be buying a 1911 soon. And, the only one I'm considering is a Colt.

If you are going to have only one 1911, then it should be a Colt. IMHO.

JRWhit
March 13, 2013, 07:40 PM
Never mind I was mistaken on your post and thought you wanted a carry piece. Whatever you get, post pics.

LeonCarr
March 13, 2013, 07:42 PM
In that price range, STI or SV.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Urban_Redneck
March 13, 2013, 07:57 PM
I chose the Baer Hemi. IMHO, hard chrome is probably the best finish for a "daily driver".

YMMV
;)

markdeerhunter
March 13, 2013, 08:11 PM
Guncrafter No Name for that money.

Inebriated
March 13, 2013, 08:35 PM
Myself? I'd get the XTAC...

I have always wanted a Wilson, so my pick is entirely biased.

sawgrass
March 13, 2013, 09:32 PM
Guncrafter Industries NN

Certaindeaf
March 13, 2013, 09:44 PM
Colt has been making them for a long time. If you want to fancy it up however, I guess you could.

tarosean
March 14, 2013, 12:53 AM
A 1911 does not have the ability to be carried BOTH DA/SA and C&L. The H&K USP can.

What exactly does this have to do with the OP's question???

Bovice
March 14, 2013, 03:22 AM
I treat these polls like the show "Top Gear" on BBC. They'll review a supercar and compare it against a minivan in regards to storage space, then recommend another car entirely.

tuj
March 14, 2013, 04:32 AM
At your price-point, you should be looking at a fully custom gun from a known smith like Clark or Chambers or others.

http://www.chamberscustom.com/about-us

Jaxondog
March 14, 2013, 10:20 AM
RIA tactical. Can't be beat for the money in my book. Yes I have some high end's too, but this RIA 45 is as good to me as any. Just that simple.

bannockburn
March 14, 2013, 10:53 AM
I voted for the Ed Brown Signature Edition just because I have always wanted one of their guns and price, at least in this latest poll, is no object.

627PCFan
March 14, 2013, 12:02 PM
$2500 would be my limit for a 1911 thats going to be a beater. You carry it every day, you can kiss collector value goodbye.

Thats said I voted Wilson Combat XTAC

jfrey
March 14, 2013, 12:51 PM
Anything from Les Baer is a rock solid carry gun. Maybe not the best finish on the market but solid as a hammer when it comes to reliability and toughness. I would go with the HEMI or even the BOSS if you can find one.

powwowell
March 14, 2013, 01:26 PM
Colt! Colt! Colt!

What could be better?

snakeman
March 14, 2013, 01:47 PM
One Coonan 357 and one kimber super carry hd

el Godfather
March 14, 2013, 02:57 PM
What other premium 1911 makers are out there that have semi custom guns for sale around 3500$

tarosean
March 14, 2013, 03:21 PM
Springfields custom shop guns are nothing to sneeze at.
Christensen's titanium frames are pretty sweet.

PabloJ
March 14, 2013, 03:22 PM
I would look at Ithaca Gun from Ohio, USA. The base price is about $1800 and rumor is they have pretty good custom shop setup that could add special touch to the gun at reasonable prices. If money was no object I would look at Cabot Smith if only because Cabot cheese is my favorite unless I'm in Europe for business or pleasure.

Jessie James 58
March 14, 2013, 03:57 PM
I have used Colts and Kimbers for years, Never had a failure of any kind with eather.

tuj
March 14, 2013, 04:09 PM
What other premium 1911 makers are out there that have semi custom guns for sale around 3500$

Fully custom:
Masaki
Chambers
Keefer
Clark
Derr

chieftain
March 14, 2013, 04:48 PM
For service and fighting purposes I choose the Springfield Professional. I put different grip panels, on mine, prefer a tactically extended mag release. I have owned mine since 2006 IIRC. Might be 2005.

For CCW I carry a Colt 21st Century LtWgt Commander (Wiley Clapp) with additional modifications by Eric Zinn.

My Home Defense is a Kimber Warrior with Surefire X-400 & DG switch, S&A magwell.

My choice of the Springfield professional is that it is the only gun at the time, and later a few other mkers, that was made specifically for fighting. Not collecting, target shooting, or BBQ's.

YZ
March 14, 2013, 05:44 PM
Only your shooting hand and the squinting eye can answer that. But most anything above $1K is hot air, no matter how convincing on paper. For better shooting, make it about 5" bbl 40 oz and good (not GI classic) sights.

Rinspeed
March 14, 2013, 09:27 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/Baer-8_zps1442e110.jpg

MICHAEL T
March 14, 2013, 09:27 PM
Colt Colt. Been working fine for around a 100 years.

tuj
March 14, 2013, 09:28 PM
But most anything above $1K is hot air, no matter how convincing on paper.

Are you serious? How many 1k 1911's shoot 1.5" 10-shot groups at 50 yards?

tomrkba
March 14, 2013, 09:32 PM
Take a look at Heirloom Precision.

Frankly, $3,000 or more is a bit over the top. You can get an excellent gun for under that and buy a pallet of ammunition with the remaining funds.

robctwo
March 15, 2013, 12:10 AM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/robctwo/DSCN0908copy.jpg
Les Baer PII 1.5" guarantee, refinished with IonBond DLC, fiber optic front sight. Very accurate and stone cold reliable.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/robctwo/DSCN0907copy.jpg
Les Baer 9mm PII, refinished with IonBond DLC, fiber optic front sight. Accurate and reliable.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/robctwo/DSCN0697.jpg
Ed Brown Executive Target. Refinished slide with IonBond, fiber optic front sight. Very accurate, stone cold reliable.

For daily carry I used a J frame S&W & S&W 1911PD Commander with scandium frame and CT Laser grips.

I'd go Ed Brown Executive carry if I wanted a higher end daily carry.

rswartsell
March 15, 2013, 12:22 AM
Guess what, that less than $1,000.00 1911 will kill what it is looking at within 50 yds. at about an 80% rate, the remaining $ will go for a nice coffin.

tarosean
March 15, 2013, 01:26 AM
Guess what, that less than $1,000.00 1911 will kill what it is looking at within 50 yds. at about an 80% rate

Sure Ill give you that and It may be great for plinking and range use. However, to be used and ran hard day after day year after year. Those budget parts that make it affordable are simply not going to hold up.

tuj
March 15, 2013, 02:33 AM
Guess what, that less than $1,000.00 1911 will kill what it is looking at within 50 yds. at about an 80% rate, the remaining $ will go for a nice coffin.

Guess what? Not all of us own 1911's as killing instruments.

YZ
March 15, 2013, 03:01 AM
We cannot prove or disprove accuracy by arguing. That can only be done at the range, in person. I just noticed the shopping list that looks like fantasy football. Thought a different opinion might help my brother save his hard earned money.

tuj
March 15, 2013, 03:20 AM
YZ: While I respect your opinion, I am simply trying to state *why* a 1911 might be worth more than $1k. In most cases, it is because of the tremendous amount of hand-fitting and hand-crafting that goes into making a pistol both mechanically reliable and exceptionally accurate, but also crafting a work of Art at the same time.

A 45 bullet is no different than any other 45 bullet and makes no difference what gun it came from if you are on the receiving end, on that much we can agree.

But for some of us who shoot bullseye, we routinely shoot our pistols at 50 yards and yes, we need them to be mechanically capable of producing 10-shot 1.5" groups. That simply cannot be done with any mass-produced 1911 that I know of, and certainly not below the $1k mark.

tarosean
March 15, 2013, 04:28 AM
We cannot prove or disprove accuracy by arguing. That can only be done at the range, in person.

When you have an accuracy guarantee in writing you can come closer to proving it. If it cannot, they will make sure it does.

Right before Christmas I was kind of in the same position as the OP. I was wanting to add a new 1911. I was at my LGS with a broad assortment of semi-customs, that represent every maker in the OP's poll, and a couple smaller firms all laid out on the counter.. Along with contemplating an order with Springfield's Custom Shop or to have my Colt LW Commander sent off to a smith.
After a few hours of handling, etc. I walked away with a Wilson Professional. Its not the prettiest gun, but its very smooth and accuracy is top notch. As a matter of fact, I have been so impressed with it I will likely trade off my EB Special Forces for a CQB.


http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj507/tarosean/B25E69CF-699B-4C50-9B1C-2E14B272F050-1758-00000191703B6A32_zpsf44e8504.jpg

BigG
March 15, 2013, 07:17 AM
I had a Jim Clark Colt auto. I thought that was about as good as it got.
Here's a little blurb about one like it.
http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/08/clark-combat-colt-1911.html

Powderman
March 15, 2013, 07:34 AM
To the OP:

Is there any reason you excluded three of the top 1911's on the market?

Dan Wessons have an excellent reputation.

The Sig 1911's are nice and tight, and have a reputation for accuracy.

As for Colt--all I'll say is this: I have owned a 1911 Enhanced since 1993. It is dead-on reliable. It will hold 3.5 inches at 50 yards--not bad. At 25 yards and in, it will eat out the X on a B27 every time. I carry mine as a duty gun, and it's dead solid and reliable. So, why not these three?

YZ
March 15, 2013, 10:24 AM
Splitting hairs at 50 yards is not what the 1911 was intended for. We are talking pure sports. You might as well get a 50 mph lawnmower. If that's your game, power to you. For most shooters 25 yards bullseye is where the pistol ends and the rifle begins.

Come on brother. You can have a 1911 SIG or Kimber for $900 or less. Even today. Can you shoot better than those two will allow you? Marketing is clever. If you miss the target, it's not you, it's the pistol. Like if you get fat, it's not your eating habits, it's the "hormones". The industry, the vendors and the media are all on the side of (you) spending big bucks. Only here does someone look out for you.

Certaindeaf
March 15, 2013, 10:39 AM
If yer gonna spend seven thousand dollars it might as well be accurate as all getout. Me, I'd customize a sweet Hi-Power for a pittance.

tuj
March 15, 2013, 11:53 AM
Splitting hairs at 50 yards is not what the 1911 was intended for.

No, indeed it was not. But it's been doing so successfully (albeit in custom form) at Camp Perry for over 50 years now.

clang
March 15, 2013, 02:04 PM
I want it for daily use with top notch accuracy and collection value as well. Irrespective of price, its not going to be a safe queen

does "Daily use" mean carrying as LE or are you shooting it every day in competition/practice?

Any 1911 that sees daily use will most certainly lose collector's value.

YZ
March 15, 2013, 05:14 PM
No, indeed it was not. But it's been doing so successfully (albeit in custom form) at Camp Perry for over 50 years now.
Fair enough if you are a camp perry grade long distance handgun shooter. Odds are, the gentleman who is shopping for a new 1911 is not. I don't want him to fall prey to seductive advertising, like a child. How do I know this. Ah trust me.
In the end the pollster will decide for himself after hearing all sides. All are subjective and biased, with the possible exception of me. But seriously, man! When the guy next lane leaves you in the dust with his $800 Remington R1, who can you blame? Your Nighthawk?

el Godfather
March 15, 2013, 05:17 PM
Powderman

Because:
Dan Wesson- I already own one.
Sig Sauer- I handled one. Its a great duty gun but to me does not have collectors value. In no way its in the same league for accuracy as well.

COLT- great gun but I think to make it exceptional I will have to send it to quality gunsmith. That is not on cards for me so I went for the companies that offer tricked out guns right out of the box. AND have better collection value. Not common.

YZ
March 15, 2013, 06:08 PM
If you want collector's value, your whole list conditionally qualifies. Whichever one shuts down or at least gets sold first will gain value over current production. Often prestige beats real life quality when it comes to collecting.

mesinge2
March 15, 2013, 06:12 PM
$10,000= 9 Colts (and I'd be happy)

Powderman
March 15, 2013, 06:51 PM
Indeed, sir.

Then consider the Colt Special Combat Government. It is their top of the line handgun, and it comes with a test target that equals the accuracy of a common Bullseye gun--3" groups at 50 yards. Yes--I said 50 yards, not feet.

And that's out of the box.

They run about $1800.00 or so.

The single most accurate 1911 out there, though, IMHO has to be a Les Baer 1911 pistol with their 1.5" guarantee. Based on my experience with Les Baer pistols, I would bet money that you would not find a 1911 in existence that will out shoot it from a Ransom rest.

But...here is the meat of the matter.

My last trip to Camp Perry (yes, I shoot Bullseye/Conventional Pistol) I saw a gentleman in some worn coveralls shooting during his relay. Big guy, with huge hands. I noted that he was shooting a GI Surplus 1911A1 pistol, complete with lousy sights. I didn't think the guy was going to do well.

That gentleman was Herschel Anderson, and that year he made it into the top 50 scorers at the Nationals. He smoked the majority of the field with a rattletrap "GI" 1911A1 pistol.

Mr. Anderson still holds the record for Conventional Pistol Shooting--2680/159X. That means out of a possible 2700 points, he only got 20 shots--out of 270--out of the 10 ring--a circle 3.32 inches in diameter at 25 and 50 yards.

It's not the tool--it's the craftsman.

el Godfather
March 16, 2013, 03:53 PM
Powderman Sir
You have left me speechless.

I guess I am forced to think of the optimal trade off between money-collections and bang on target pistol.

Do know that I want out of the box mechanical accuracy.

el Godfather
March 16, 2013, 03:56 PM
Btw which is better: hemi or boss?
And how to they compare to Xtac?

I am somewhat partial to Nighthawk unless someone talks me out of it

Robbins290
March 16, 2013, 08:12 PM
Sence you said other. A colt mil spec.

TBH
March 16, 2013, 09:59 PM
I think you need two. A smaller carry 45, and a high end match 45.

Curve ball. Does it have to be 1911? Sig 220 carry EQ. And 220x6. I own the x5 in 9mm and have shot the X6. Amazing!

cauldron
March 16, 2013, 11:56 PM
FPS Russian loves his Nighthawk, and if you need to get an opinion off the internet... He's as good as anyone, and better than some.

280shooter
March 17, 2013, 12:13 AM
taurus, 1911,they have custom stuff right from the factory, Buy 3,

el Godfather
March 17, 2013, 12:27 AM
280shooter, with due respect would not even spit on taurus next to the guns in question.

TBH. Yes it has to be a 1911.

280shooter
March 17, 2013, 12:49 AM
i was just pulling yur leg, I would never buy one, thats why i said buy 3,,

Dlowe167
March 17, 2013, 02:15 AM
The new Hemi looks great seen it on a gunshow(tv). CZ Customs has some awesome Dan Wesson's too,im a Dan Wesson CCO fan.Great shooter!They're out standing completely customed. Id like to try that Wilson Combat too.

ColtPythonElite
March 17, 2013, 05:46 AM
Another vote for a Colt.

el Godfather
March 17, 2013, 12:12 PM
I think lots of people are just voting and not reading the OP.

I clearly stated that I am not considering COLT. No matter if 100% vote is for Colt its not in consideration.

On DW, i have the regular Vbob and the elite series HAVOK. So thats out as well.

Rinspeed
March 17, 2013, 03:51 PM
Btw which is better: hemi or boss?



Neither is better, both are made to the same level of quality just different options.

el Godfather
March 17, 2013, 09:06 PM
Please explain

ColtPythonElite
March 18, 2013, 02:34 AM
I clearly read the OP and voted Colt, anyway.....What's wrong with a Colt?

silvermane_1
March 18, 2013, 02:57 AM
i voted other, Ruger SR1911 full or CMD, save the rest of the money you would spend on the other choices on the list for .45acp ammo if you can find it in your area.

mesinge2
March 18, 2013, 08:08 AM
I clearly read the OP and voted Colt, anyway.....What's wrong with a Colt?
As did I.

I have twelve 1911s and I am sure some here have much more, 1911Tuner for example, and I don't understand the exclusion of Sig Sauer, DW, Colt and Kimber. I have 1911s made by SIG, Colt, Kimber, Springfield, Para, and I HAD a Wilson Combat. My Wilson was quality made and very nice looking but it only marginally out shot my Colt Gold Cup Trophy. And my S&W E-series 1911 was, for me anyways, more accurate than my Wilson. I have since sold the Wilson and purchased 3 other 1911s and I am happy with my decision.

Just from my experience I restate:

$10,000= 9 Colts (and I'd be happy)

el Godfather
March 18, 2013, 01:35 PM
Nothing wrong with- just do not want a COLT. I like others much better. The only Colt 1911 I like is Gold cup but even that does not do it for me.

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