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floydster
March 13, 2013, 05:43 PM
I have a press on backorder and am concerned about the Quality Control the manufacturers will have on making these items at breaking speed.
Just wondering what you guys/gals think about this as I have heard about some issues already.
Thoughts?

Thanks, Floyd

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NeuseRvrRat
March 13, 2013, 06:35 PM
if you're really that concerned, just buy brands that are known for a good warranty and good customer service

BYJO4
March 13, 2013, 07:25 PM
I think you will be fine. I wouldn't worry about something that you don't even have. Should there be a problem, the manufacturer will take care of it.

kyhunter
March 14, 2013, 01:09 AM
I just got another hirnady LnL and the quality is just the same as the previous. No problems so far :rolleyes:

OldTex
March 14, 2013, 03:14 AM
I guess you're banking on the integrity of the individual manufacturer. Some places might be willing to slack a bit on QC just to get a few more products out the door. Others wouldn't. I would think most long-established companies wouldn't want a bunch of sloppy products going out the door because even a short run of these could damage their reputation forever.

This is something that worries me whenever I see an established company get bought out by some corporate conglomerate. I've seen it too many times in too many industries. When the bean-counters take over in an attempt to maximize profit, corners start getting cut. These corporate raiders don't give a hoot about establishing and maintaining quality. Recent example: Marlin

floydster
March 14, 2013, 08:59 AM
Well said OldTex---another company would be Lyman.

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SlamFire1
March 14, 2013, 10:13 AM
Greatest fear I have is with primers and primer sensitivity.

I have had out of battery slamfires in Garands with Federal Primers . That particular lot of federal primers was too sensitive for the ignition system of a Garand. I have met other shooters who had out of battery slamfires with Federal primers in their Garands, one who also blew the back of the receiver heel off.

All mechanisms with free floating firing pins are susceptible to slamfires. All of them because the firing pin rebounds off the primer at some point in the feed cycle. Garands, M1a’s, M1 carbines, Mini 14’s all have the same basic mechanism but, by design, this mechanism is susceptible to both inbattery and out of battery slamfires because the firing pin is never really totally restrained. At best it is retracted during cam down, but the retraction is not positive because the receiver bridge was primarily designed to retract the firing pin during extraction, nor is the firing pin fully retracted, there is always some bit of firing pin sticking out of the bolt face. These mechanisms require a less sensitive primer because the impact energy of a free floating firing pin will ignite a sensitive primer.

The problem is, you can buy primers that are advertized as less sensitive, the “mil spec” primers, but you cannot visually tell if the primers meet spec. Primers vary in sensitivity based on a number of factors: cup hardness, primer composition, and I found reading DTIC reports, that the amount of primer compound in the cup changes primer sensitivity. Less compound results in a less sensitive primer, which was counterintuitive .

The primary issue I have is Quality Control at the manufacturer. There is no overarching regulatory body in ammunition manufacture. SAAMI is a voluntary industry organization and all it does is publish specs, (specifications that ensure that no one’s product fails!) and the adherence is voluntary . Without an independent body with enforcement authority there is no reason to assume that ammunition manufacturers are going to be honest. Everyone knows that Corporations are in it for the profit and only for the profit. As we have seen, Corporations are amoral in the pursuit of profit, if they make profit and someone dies, or the world crashes, too bad for the person or the world. There is no reason to assume that they don’t ship primer lots that fail sensitivity tests, that is, are too sensitive, because no one out there has primer impact testing equipment, and if your gun destructively slamfires with your reloads, you can’t prove that the primer was at fault. It is a win, win for the corporation because they don’t lose profit rejecting nonconforming product and won’t be sued.

Given all the reports people post of dud primers, it really makes me wonder, how many lots of primers are actually too sensitive? Folks with bolt rifles and revolvers are not going to notice because a too sensitive primer will go bang just like any regular primer, it is only when you stuff these things in semi autos will anything funny happen, and then, how do you know it was the primer?

cfullgraf
March 14, 2013, 11:26 AM
This is something that worries me whenever I see an established company get bought out by some corporate conglomerate.

Don't forget the WalMart effect.

Searcher4851
March 14, 2013, 11:38 AM
If your buying a well established product from a well established company, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. My concerns are usually about the NEW product from a company like that. They want to get the new product out in the market place as soon as they can sometimes and we the consumers end up being the final testers for the new product. But there again, if it's a well established company, they'll still usually make things right, it's just a bit more hassle to get to using the new product.

KeithET
March 14, 2013, 03:37 PM
Try not to over think it. Keep a positive mindset. Only worry about it when you absolutely have to! By worrying to soon you only cause heartburn and solve nothing.

KeithET

dsm
March 14, 2013, 05:52 PM
I had a problem with a set of Redding carbide dies...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=706281

Jesse Heywood
March 14, 2013, 10:55 PM
During the 08 crisis I bought a RCBS turret. I had all the parts, but problems with incomplete machining on a lot of items. Had to do a lot of deburring, chamfering and rethreading. Fortunately I am enough of a fix-it guy to fit and finish everything. I didn't contact customer service for three reasons: time and would the replacement be any better. Plus I am very stubborn...

lakecitybrass
March 14, 2013, 11:50 PM
My 1994 Rock Chucker was made in the USA. These days, the castings are made in China and recently RCBS had some quality control with the cast material but like RCBS is, they made it right, or so I was told.

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