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spm
March 13, 2013, 10:07 PM
Anyone would have to be living under a rock not to have noticed the increase in gun prices lately. My question is have the gun manufacturers raised their prices to the dealers, or are the dealers in the gun shops and shows raising the prices on their own, sort of "Whatever the traffic will allow"? My personal opinion is that the dealers are behind the higher prices and not the manufacturers. Had one dealer tell me it was because China was buying up all the steel in this country and that was driving the manufacturing prices up. Really? Anyone have any real facts on this?

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justice06rr
March 13, 2013, 10:32 PM
My personal take is that dealers are the ones raising prices to accomodate for the market price and demand.

I just bought a Smith&Wesson M&P15 today for $839 when I know they used to be around $699-749. They had more than one in stock; I even asked if they can lower the price a bit to less than $800 and they said they could not. Either way, I was still happy I was able to buy it for a decent price and not for the exhorbitant prices on Gunbroker and other places.

Onward Allusion
March 13, 2013, 10:38 PM
Dealers jacking up the prices because:
1 - The demand is there (i.e. because they can)
2 - If they sell it for their old lower price, they will wait much longer to get their stock replenished.

Mosin Bubba
March 13, 2013, 10:44 PM
Supply and demand: dealers are just selling their guns for what people are willing to pay.

justice06rr
March 14, 2013, 03:24 AM
Ok, I just verified via the actual Smith & Wesson website that they actually raised MSRP on the M&P15 Sport. It is now $839 which is what I paid for it; it used to be about $699-749 before IIRC.

So manufacturers have raised the prices themselves, and I'm sure gunshops are compounding this as well because they need to make profit also.

captain awesome
March 14, 2013, 04:19 AM
that's a pretty broad statement based on one item of information that isn't even confirmed.....You think msrp was lower, but cant recall what exactly it was? MSRP not typically the selling price of anything in a normal market. Usually you can get the items for much less. Just not right now with guns.

There are most likely a few instances of this, but on the whole it's the dealers/buyers, not MFG's driving the prices on this up and down road.

tarosean
March 14, 2013, 06:46 AM
Had one dealer tell me

should of stopped him right there...

New guns, old guns, guns that would never be banned unless there was an outright denial of our rights. Have all increased in price from a few months ago.

It pains me to even go peek at Gunbroker, or my state classifieds anymore.

Steel Horse Rider
March 14, 2013, 10:56 AM
A portion of the price increases is due to the continued devaluation of the US dollar caused by the Fed printing 65 billion in new money every month. That is also why the prices of almost everything else is much higher now than in the past; some call it inflation.

22-rimfire
March 14, 2013, 01:05 PM
Prices went up for 2013. But some dealers are adjusting their pricing to reflect their preception of demand and ability to replace inventory. Hence, prices have gone up and often are at full retail (or higher) for regular guns and higher for ARs. I refuse to buy.

Rembrandt
March 14, 2013, 02:47 PM
Steel horse rider is almost correct. It's the Fed Reserve printing "85 billion "a month that has now forced us to use more dollars to purchase the same goods.

sota
March 14, 2013, 02:57 PM
ironically enough, the firearms I'm buying and looking at (H&K) haven't had much if any increase in price. I mean I just picked up another (lightly used) P30 v3 9mm for $840... which I'd say is 5% above what it really should have cost. guess it depends on what you're looking at.

gym
March 14, 2013, 03:14 PM
I just got an email from Classic, good to see AK pistol prices, are coming down, they had them for $650.00, in stock. Also a real nice one for $800. This is a good sign, I posted when they had the AR mags in stock, I got a few at 15 dollars each,"a few guys here did the same", the are also in stock along with AK mags. So get em while you can.
Also various ammo and "Tokarev" pistols for $249". Looks like stuff is coming back to normal, at least the stuff that Classic carries.

Spdracr39
March 14, 2013, 03:28 PM
My local gun shops have not raised prices. They have gone to a no haggle policy though :(

stumpers
March 14, 2013, 03:37 PM
Just remember, prices are up because people are paying those prices. I mean the ones that sell for 10-30% more than a few months ago, not the ones that don't sell for double the price.

The following is only anecdotal, but perhaps fits the overall trend:

My problem is I can't even find a fair-ish inflated deal on a basic Colt AR6520. Several people on this forum offered to sell me their VERY used models for close to $2000 when I had a post up looking to buy.

I actually won a bid on a 6520 on Gunbroker, but the seller refused to ship and actually emailed and said he thought he could get more than the $1325 that I bid, so he was going to keep it and re-list it!

gpb
March 14, 2013, 03:37 PM
With the way the government and the Federal Reserve have debased the currency, I'm surprised that we haven't seen even more dramatic price increases. If the economy was strong, the price increases would have been drastic.

BigBore44
March 14, 2013, 04:35 PM
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Dr. Sandman
March 14, 2013, 04:45 PM
Stumpers-
Are you going to leave negative feedback?

Queen_of_Thunder
March 14, 2013, 04:48 PM
Prices are up because demand exceeds supply. Its really that simple.

kcgunesq
March 14, 2013, 05:51 PM
I've been on a binge lately. I havent seen any increase, but i have'nt tried to buy any EBRs. As a couple examples: Ruger 10/22 with stainless threaded bbl - $283, Savage Mk ii fvsr, $253. If those are "up", I did not notice.

Ive been focusing on some of the less obvious targets of any potential AWB.

To me, this is how the market should work. High demand products increase, when lower demand items don't. I adjusted to meet the market.

sota
March 14, 2013, 05:54 PM
stumpers:
oh I'd be all over GB's people about that one.

c4v3man
March 14, 2013, 06:09 PM
It actually seems fairly easy to find AR's for under $1200 nowadays. Obviously they have a way to go, but gun prices seem to be on the decline for a little while now. The problem is finding ammo, and that's not likely to subside for a while.

It is obvious that many manufacturers seem to be raising prices for 2013 anyways, so the old pricing is unlikely to return for a few years, but should be reasonable soon. Reasonable as in MSRP.

stumpers
March 14, 2013, 07:26 PM
Are you going to leave negative feedback?

oh I'd be all over GB's people about that one.

Being that I only have 1 feedback on GB and the guy whose rifle I was bidding on had 0...Without getting into too much detail, there's really not much to be done to someone who will probably just re-register with a new name.

itchy1
March 14, 2013, 07:39 PM
If these elevated prices are the new norm, then I'm really glad that I had been a fairly active purchaser up until the panic started. I'm still a little saddened by the prospect of severely limiting my future purchases, but sometimes you have to take a step back and be grateful for what you have.

justice06rr
March 15, 2013, 05:23 AM
that's a pretty broad statement based on one item of information that isn't even confirmed.....You think msrp was lower, but cant recall what exactly it was? MSRP not typically the selling price of anything in a normal market. Usually you can get the items for much less. Just not right now with guns.

There are most likely a few instances of this, but on the whole it's the dealers/buyers, not MFG's driving the prices on this up and down road.

Didn't you see that I actually confirmed MSRP from the actual S&W site??

Would you like the link?

I do know for sure that M&P15 Sport were $649 or 699 before the panic depending on where and when you bought, because I have looked long and hard at this rifle since it came out.

Sure It's only one manufacturer, but that is one of the largest and well-known US manufacters of firearms.

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