Is the Ammo and Gun Shortage by Design?


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Russ Jackson
March 14, 2013, 06:19 AM
Is it possible that the government wants us to stock up on ammo and weapons for an imminent threat or attack? They are buying ammo that would appear to have no use to them along with military vehicles to be used here. In turn Americans are buying up ammo and guns at the highest rate ever. Maybe they actually want us to be prepared.

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Creature
March 14, 2013, 07:07 AM
ummmm, no.

Carl N. Brown
March 14, 2013, 08:10 AM
Unintended Consequences

My take on the ammo shortage

My explanations:

A: More ammo demand for new guns for old and new gun owners.

NICS National Instant Check System Background Checks
primarily Form 4473 Transactions--gun sales at licensed dealers
YEAR NICS
2010 14,409,616
2011 16,454,951
2012 19,592,303

Ammo in the supply system (manufacturer -> distributor -> wholesaler -> retailer) did not enter the supply stream yesterday. It entered the supply stream months ago. Increased gun sales were unprecedented.

B: More ammo demand sparked by political calls for more gun and ammo restriction and "regulations" that include Assault Weapons Bans.

C: More military target shooting sports/CMP demand.


These points have influenced my ammo buying behavior.

B. When the antis started talking ammo bans or punitive ammo taxes back in the 1980s, I adopted a personal policy of maintaining a stockpile of over a thousand .22, two hundred 12ga and one hundred-fifty .30-30. New ammo went in the back, and the older ammo got shot first.

C. I own a M1 Carbine and for years bought one or two boxes of 50 per year. It was relatively easy to find. The gun was a military collectible, also comforting to have for protection (in case of feral or rabid dogs, coyotes etc.) when alone on the mountain.

Our club started Modern and Vintage Military Rifle and Pistol matches a few years back, parallel with a national increase in sales of surplus carbines by the Civilian Marksmanship Program. There was an increase in the number of folks shooting M1 carbine. Three targets 10 rounds each for score each match, 7 matchs per season; four disciplines: modern pistol, modern rifle, vintage pistol, vintage rifle.

I was shooting M1 carbine in modern and vintage rifle and M1911A1 pistol in modern and vintage pistol, needing 420 rounds .30 M1 carbine and 420 rounds .45 ACP to shoot for score alone, much less rounds for practice, sight check, etc. There were periodic droughts of .30 carbine and .45 ACP.

It was explained to me that ammo manufacturers base production for the next year on last year's sales, by caliber. Those that make .30 M1 carbine, for example, produce in a few weeks or months the production run of ammo they expect to sell over the next year. They don't maintain continuous production of many calibers on a 24/7/365 basis. They were ill prepared for the upswing in military match shooting. After a few seasons I found I had to start stockpiling at least two seasons' worth.

A. kicked as a result. I also diversified since shortages of .30 carbine and .45 ACP might last months. I added a CZ52 pistol (modern military) and Mosin-Nagant 91/30 rifle (vintage and modern rifle) since affordable quantities of 7.62x25 or 7.62x54R were available when .45 ACP and .30 Carbine was not. I have also shot my Mauser C96, Webley MkIV and H&K USP pistols based on ammo availability. And my son gave me a Yugo M70AB2 (modern military) and 7.63x39 is usually findable at reasonable prices.

tarosean
March 14, 2013, 08:13 AM
Dang I need to pick up some more Reynolds Group stock...

Sav .250
March 14, 2013, 08:18 AM
What! Open all the windows in the trailer. Conspiracy theories are allowed only in the month of July. :)

heeler
March 14, 2013, 08:53 AM
No they do not want us buying guns or ammo.
Ironically enough the side politically who want to limit this or outright ban firearms has caused this over whelming rush to buy as witnessed by the rise of NICS request and ammo shortage.
These people are so dense as well as smug in their opinions they cant even see the numbers of people who are going to be remembering this two years from now.

bannockburn
March 14, 2013, 09:11 AM
A most emphatic NO as far as this current adminstration is concerned.

Russ Jackson
March 14, 2013, 09:20 AM
So if they thought something bad was going to happen and wanted us to prepare, how do you think they would handle it? I doubt they would ask us straight up. I know it sounds crazy but the best way might be to threaten taking these rights away.

mgmorden
March 14, 2013, 09:26 AM
So if they thought something bad was going to happen and wanted us to prepare, how do you think they would handle it? I doubt they would ask us straight up. I know it sounds crazy but the best way might be to threaten taking these rights away.

If they really wanted to prepare for something that critical they'd start drafting and training people.

There's a lot more to being "prepared" for military action than having a giant pile of guns and ammo.

Russ Jackson
March 14, 2013, 09:31 AM
If they really wanted to prepare for something that critical they'd start drafting and training people.

There's a lot more to being "prepared" for military action than having a giant pile of guns and ammo.

Understood however CCW classes and gun training is also at an all time high. More women are at the range than I have ever seen. I have also noticed way more first time shooters.

JShirley
March 14, 2013, 09:34 AM
Seriously?

Wow. I mean- you're serious? Really?
Heh. Heh-heh. Bwahahahahahaha!

Some folks are just too dumb to predict the results of their actions with any accuracy.

Russ Jackson
March 14, 2013, 09:44 AM
Seriously?

Wow. I mean- you're serious? Really?
Heh. Heh-heh. Bwahahahahahaha!

Some folks are just too dumb to predict the results of their actions with any accuracy.
Its just a theory I thought was plausible. The more I thought about it it didn't sound that insane. Especially when I wondered how they might actually go about it. Glad you got a laugh out of it though.

mgmorden
March 14, 2013, 09:49 AM
Understood however CCW classes and gun training is also at an all time high. More women are at the range than I have ever seen. I have also noticed way more first time shooters.

I wasn't really referring to gun training. CCW classes focus on CCW situations. Quick ambushes that are usually over within seconds with very few rounds fired.

Military situations are far different. Long, drawn out encounters that take a long time to resolve. Tactics, discipline, chain of command, and physical fitness are going to matter a lot more than just having a lot of guns or even knowing how to shoot well.

The government - and indeed the world - is far less secretive than you'd think. Don't get so caught up on looking for the "hidden reasons" for things because 99% of the time there are none.

tgzzzz
March 14, 2013, 10:24 AM
I think most of us realize who the enemy is. Not folks from the hot, sandy places and not the Chinese. They can all just stand aside and wait for us to crumble from the inside out due to our incredible whiney "Progressivism."

wally
March 14, 2013, 09:12 PM
I voted no, but it has ended up as being the only "economic stimulus" of Obozo's that has actually worked!

M2 Carbine
March 15, 2013, 09:58 AM
When a government is attempting to gain total control over the citizens the last thing the government wants is to have the citizens armed.


Anyone that's lived through the late 1930's and early 1940's (as I have) knows that Hitler could not have murdered six million ARMED German citizens.

Stalin could not have murdered (best guess) fifty million people if they had been armed.

All the mass murders going on today are armed groups killing unarmed people.


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Robert
March 15, 2013, 10:32 AM
Ug, no.

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